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  • marinbnm
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-22

    Hi there!

    I do have request for delay effect, since i am using x32 compact i would like to hear opinion/advice. I need two repeat delay (two, not three or more) with 100-200msec time.......i know x32 has 3 and 4 tap delay, but don't know can i set it up for 2.....or to use just stereo delay?

     

    Thanks 

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    • marinbnm
      RexBeckett

      @marinbnm 


      Hi Marin, welcome to the forum.


       


      You should be able to achieve this using the 3 Tap Delay FX processor. Turn Feed right down to stop multiple repeats. Turn Gain B right down to lose the third tap. The settings would be something like this:


      3 Tap Delay.PNG


      Adjust Timebase for the first repeat time and Factor A for the second repeat time. Gain A controls the level of the second repeat relative to the first one.


       

      • July 21, 2019
  • Tim101
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-19
    Hi Guys I have three TC-Helicon peddles - Mic Mechanic - D1 - H1. Does anyone know if there is a 12V multi power supply that I can purchase and use instead of having the three power cords cluttering up the place? I'm UK based so I'm looking at a 250V A/C input with at least 3 x 12V DC outputs. Thank you in advance.
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  • SteveRyder
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-19

    I am looking at buying an SD8 but need to locate the Digital Snake more than 100m away from my X32, I work at a lot of stadia where distances often exceed 100m. I know one option is to use a Klark Teknik DN9610 to extend the Cat5 another 100m but that is not a good solution for me in an outdoor environment as the box could end up anywhere and probably exposed to the elements.

    Has anyone successfully extended over fibre? I use ST fibre for other things and have a 10/100 ethernet to ST fibre converter. Behringer specify shielded Cat 5 but fibre isn't affected by interference, anyone doing it or any thoughts if it would work without problems.

    Many thanks

    Steve Ryder - Stryder TV

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    • SteveRyder
      RexBeckett

      @SteveRyder 


      Hi Steve, welcome to the forum.


       


      AES50 is not compatible with Ethernet beyond the physical level so probably would not work through typical Ethernet/Fibre converters. There is a Klark Technik product that is designed to transport AES50 over single-mode fibre up to 1km. This is DN9680 but it isn't a low-cost solution.


       


      KT also have the DN9620 to run a pair of AES50 lines over multi-mode fibre up to 500m. This may be more cost effective.

      • July 18, 2019
    • SteveRyder
      SteveRyder

      Hi RexBeckett


      Many thanks for your very prompt reply.


      I knew it wasn't going to be that easy! As you say that is an expensive solution which I couldn't justify. Back to the drawing board.

      • July 18, 2019
    • SteveRyder
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @SteveRyder 

      I strongly second the recommendation for the DN9620 and running fiber. We have several clients using these with M/X32 systems and the added distance, flexibility, and reliabilty grossly outweigh the initial cost. As stated, being MM fiber, it can accommodate up to 500m however we do offer 150m opticalCON Duo reels that can be purchased via Midas dealers. 

      • July 19, 2019
    • SteveRyder
      garyh

      Quote from a supplier..


       


      “...the NCAT5E-50M is not only flexible in terms of its superior mechanical properties—it also can be deployed in many situations. If a single 50 m run is not sufficient, you can extend two cables to 100 m using the optional Neutrik NE8FF connector. Simply unwind the cable from the drum. If you need AES50 connections exceeding the typical 100 metre limit of CAT5 Ethernet, KLARK TEKNIK’s DN9610 Extenders or DN9620 Repeaters provide a very cost effective solution.”

      • July 19, 2019
    • SteveRyder
      SteveRyder

      Thank you for all of your input.


      To explain my scenario, I provide 4-6 camera outside broadcasts for UK and international broadcasters and am frequently asked to cover football (soccer!) matches. For a match we would have a presenter and two guests on the gantry/pitchside and then 2 commentators in the gantry plus I need to feed talkback and programme sound back to them. These are often grounds with little or no cabling infrastructure. Usual cable run from the Production Trailer is about 150m, sometimes going around the edge of the pitch. My perfect solution would be to run in one robust ST fibre multicore cable and spur off that. I have an X32 with Dante card and could either use an SD8 via Cat5 or a Dante I/O device. The Dante solution now looks to be the favoured option as it goes over fibre easily.


      Again many thanks for all of your contributions.


       


      Steve Ryder


      Stryder TV Ltd

      • July 19, 2019
  • pasik
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-18
    Hello. I've read from lots of places (including musictribe community) that the Cat5e cable used with X32/S32 AES50 needs to be cat5e shielded, and there needs to be continuity from the Ethercon connector outer shell to other Ethercon connector outer shell. So I have the Klark Teknik NCAT50E-50, which is the Behringer recommended cable for X32 / S32 stagebox AES50 usage, and it seems there is *NO* continuity from the Ethercon shell to Ethercon shell. Is it likely I've messed up the measurement somehow, or I have a faulty cable, or.. ? It seems to work OK, even though there is not continuity on the (outer) shell of the Ethercon connectors.. Thanks!
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    • pasik
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi pasik,

      If you've taken a multi-meter and not getting continuity between the two ethercon shells, there is likely an issue relating to the reel's shielding, effectively behaving like an unshielded cable. Did you recently purchase the NCAT5E-50M?

      You can contact our Care support team here

      • July 18, 2019
  • TerryRoss
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-18

    Let me tell you about a recent issue I had.  I'm not posting this to complain, rather I'm hoping someone from Midas can weigh in and look at their own support process.

    More that two weeks ago I was at an outdoor gig where we setup under a large tent.  Everthing was right on schedule and we were at the point where we were mixing monitors on the stage using an iPad.  Part way through that we lost connection to the M32 at FOH.  Not know what happened we went to the board and discovered that the screen was all white.  I shut it off for a minute and turned it back on.  It started to initialize and boot up and was at the point where the M32 logo was displayed then the screen went all white again and nothing worked.  I shut it off and unplugged the power cord for 5 minutes.  After that period of time I plugged it back in and turned the power on but the board would not initialize or boot up at all.  I tried different power cords and nothing worked.  The only thing I could think of was the PSU in the board was done.  Great.  The crowd was expecting a band.  It's a good thing that I had an M32C in my rig that saved the day.

    Here's the point of my post.  The following business day I immediately contacted Midas through their website to initiate a warranty claim.  After submitting my query I received an email saying they'll be in touch within one business day.  Well one day turned to two, then three, then four then five, then here we are two weeks later and still nothing.  It was then after a couple of weeks I received an email saying "well, we're closing this ticket because we haven't heard from you" that I really paniced.  There is no support number to call, no email address to email.  Wtf do I do now?

    Come on Midas - get better at providing support.  I'm thinking Soundcraft may have been a better option.  They at least pick up the phone when you call them.

     

    signed,

    frustrated with Midas

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    • TerryRoss
      KenMitchell

      Hi Terry ( @TerryRoss ),


       


      Unfortunately we've been seeing more frequent posts like this which is starting to get concerning.  We all know that sh*t happens and that's why we buy gear with 3-year (Behringer) or 10-year (Midas) warranties.  There's no excuse for not providing PRO LEVEL SUPPORT for this gear which to me is ONE BUSINESS DAY or less.  


       


      I'd recommend browsing for one of the other similar posts and reaching out to the MG person how reply to it. 


       


      Ken


       

      • July 18, 2019
    • TerryRoss
      KenMitchell

      @TerryRoss 


       


      Here is a recent post with a response from someone who sounds like they might be able to help.  I'd recommend sending them a PM asking for assistance. 


       


      Hope this helps, 


      Ken


       

      • July 18, 2019
    • TerryRoss
      TerryRoss

      Thanks for your response @KenMitchell  but there wasn't a link in your reply.

      • July 18, 2019
    • TerryRoss
      ChaseMcKnight

      HI @TerryRoss ,


      Sorry to hear you didn't get a response, although I can see in our system that one of our technicians did respond to case # 00983926 on 7/8/19. Have you checked your spam folder just in case? If it's there, respond to their email and it'll reopen your service request. If you can't find any email from us, please me PM and I'll put you on contact with someone from our support team. 

      • July 18, 2019
  • JamesBrough
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-17
    • JamesBrough
      RexBeckett

      @JamesBrough 


      That looks OK, James.


       


      Cat5e cable meets the minimum spec but I prefer to use Cat6a S/FTP cable like this.  I use these cables as well. They are robust but still flexible so they lay well.

      • July 16, 2019
    • JamesBrough
      JamesBrough

      Thanks! I assume these also work fine with a dl32/m32 etc?

      • July 17, 2019
    • JamesBrough
      RexBeckett


      @JamesBrough wrote:


      Thanks! I assume these also work fine with a dl32/m32 etc?





      @JamesBrough 


      Yes - the M32/DL32 and X32/S32 use the same AES50 protocol. 

      • July 17, 2019
    • JamesBrough
      JamesBrough

      Out of interest also...


      Assuming I have an x32 connected to a DL16...


      If I send to FOH from the outputs of the x32, will the sound quality be less than if I send from DL16 outputs?

      • July 25, 2019
    • JamesBrough
      RexBeckett


      @JamesBrough wrote:


      Out of interest also...


      Assuming I have an x32 connected to a DL16...


      If I send to FOH from the outputs of the x32, will the sound quality be less than if I send from DL16 outputs?





      @JamesBrough 


      I believe that the D/A converters and analogue output circuits of a DL16 have a better noise performance than those of an X32. The difference, though, is a matter of 1 or 2 dB so not likely to be audible in most situations. The much-applauded Midas sound is more to do with the mic amps, IMO.


       

      • July 25, 2019
  • Mwoodham
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-16

    I have an x32 that came out of a night club that was hit by lightning. Originally it had no outputs, and the net ports were not responding. I replaced the main pcb board and that fixed the net issue. But I still didn’t have any outputs. The inputs are hitting the main, but not outputting. Upon further investigation of the output cArds I noticed a blown capacitor. I went ahead and just replaced both output cards, but I’m still not getting any signal coming out of the console. What could be the issue? Could it be the power supply card that feeds to the outputcards is bad and needs replacing? I can get sound if it’s plugged into the monitor A or B outputs but that’s it. Any suggestions is greatly appreciated. 

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  • JamesBrough
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-16

    Hey

    I’m after 24 inputs stage end at least. My budget is a little flexible but I’m really struggling to weigh up the best solution!

    I hired a dl251 to use with my x32 producer on a short tour of small venues, and I certainly, definitely noticed an improvement to overall sound quality. It was creamier, fuller, and more natural sounding, genuinely making it easier and simpler to mix.

    I have some questions and after some googling and forum trawling I havent got clear answers.

    1) Does anybody know for certain if the dl16/32 are the SAME preamps and conversion as the dl151/251 boxes? (Sample rate issue aside). I can’t find the truth or facts anywhere!

    2) If I purchased a dl151 but then in terms of outputs I used a cheaper behringer sd8 box, primarily to get my extra outs stage end straight into FOH amps, would the fact I was using a separate cheaper behringer box affect the sound quality as opposed to using a midas output box of some sort? I’m assuming so because the D/A conversion would be done by the sd8? 

    3) Similarly, for arguments sake, if I used a dl16/32 or dl151 but then used my x32 console xlr outs at mix position to get into foh amps, again would this reduce sound quality because the D/A was being done on the x32?

    Thanks in advance for any contributions on this matter!

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    • JamesBrough
      CraigFowler

      1.) From what I've read the preamps themselves are the same, however the power supplies in the DL151\251 have better filtering compared with those in the M32\DL16\32, which can affect the sound, especially at higher gains, or if the venue's power isn't the cleanest (which can be somewhat mitigated by a decent UPS\power conditioner.)  Then there's the ADC: 96k vs 48k.  Bottom line is that although the actual preamps themselves might be the same, you could still expect the overall sound coming out of the boxes to be different due to other factors, which you can't really separate from the actual preamps.


      2.) It depends how hot you run it.  At lower levels there shouldn't be a difference, but the DL series outputs have an extra 10dB of headroom before distortion compared to the X-Series outputs.  If you're using the DL series preamps to get good sound in, it's not as though the X-series outputs will change that sound at the output to make it sound like you were originally using X-series preamps.  It's not like the DL preamps go up to 20kHz but the X-series outputs only go up to 15kHz, so using X-series outputs will cut off all your top end.  It's just that the X-series outputs have a little less headroom and therefore you have less dynamic range for your mix.  This may or may not be a factor in your mixing.


      3.) See above.


      To get 24x8 on stage you'd be looking at 2x DL16s ($2k,) or 1x DL32 ($1400,) or a DL251 ($4k.)  Given the price difference, I'd go with one of the first 2 options (probably the first to allow for more flexible stage placement.)  Although the DL251 might sound a bit cleaner at higher gain levels, I don't think that alone is worth the extra $2k.  The other features it has which contribute to the increased price are nice: redundant PSU, (but I'd be running it off a UPS anyway,) redundant AES50, (the X\M32 consoles can't work with that anyway,) 96kHz sample rate (the X\M32 series can't work with that anyway,) but if you can't make use of those features, it doesn't seem like a sensible purchase.  The $2k+ saving you make by getting 2x DL16s or a DL32 instead of the DL251 could be spent on other things to increase sound quality, eg better mics, more or better IEMs for better IEM mixes allowing talent to play better (or a whole separate monitor console) etc.  In terms of overall sound quality vs price I think you'd get more of a return from those sort of things rather than a very slightly better stagebox.


      The only reason I'd consider the DL251 in this circumstance is if I knew that I had other Midas Pro consoles (Pro1, Pro2 etc) to interface it with.

      • July 16, 2019
  • MikeDee
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-15

    I have a Midas m32r I want to use an x32 rack as a stagebox, the day after I sold the dl32, which I haven't used in over a year, I got a call.

    I know how to set it up thanks to Paul's article but my question is, is there a way to use the x32 rack as a stage box and still run through the m32r preamps instead of the x32?

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    • MikeDee
      RexBeckett

      @MikeDee 


      I'm afraid not. The X32 Rack inputs use the local preamps and A/D converters. They are not quite to Midas Pro spec but still pretty good. 

      • July 15, 2019
  • TheKing858
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-14

    Hello everyone, I have the xr18 system and I’m using a brand new amazon fire 10 tablet, running mixing station and I’ve tried the xair app from the google play store as well, the problem I’m having is that the RTA graph is smooth for the first like 30 seconds after I first load the app then it will stutter and freeze up the rest of the time is there a way to solve this or is my tablet not capable of keeping up? Thanks!

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    • TheKing858
      Paul_Vannatto


      @TheKing858 wrote:


      the problem I’m having is that the RTA graph is smooth for the first like 30 seconds after I first load the app then it will stutter and freeze up the rest of the time





      Are you by chance trying to connect to the internal wifi? If so, that would explain the freezing. A good dual band (AC) wifi router is required for solid RTA performance.


       

      • July 14, 2019
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