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    jbsounds
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2022-10-27

    I've been trying to update the firmware on my DN9650 with KT-Dante64 card in it. When I pull up the Dante Firmware manager, this is the only device that cannot be located. Any ideas?

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    • jbsounds
      GaryHiggins You should use the firmware updater within Dante Controller. If you are using the older updater software (a separate program) that very well could be the problem. The firmware updater inside the Controller software works well these days. Just a thought.
      • Nov 1
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    Swansound
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-10-27
    1. I'd tried with this 80mt but don't works
    2. K3NCAT5 200

      Adam Hall Cables 3 STAR N CAT 5 - Cavo di rete Cat.5e S/UTP cavo LAN flessibile

    3. Can someone in Midas helap me? Thanks
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    Swansound
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-09-30

    I've got Mida Pro 1 , Pro2, M32, and now M32R, I , made all my cat cable following the Midas specification with Belden cavle UTP, but now I see on the back of my new M32R that I MUST ise STP...

    Why?

    Can I use my Belden Cat5E UTP?

    Thanks

    Enzo

     

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    • Swansound
      Paul_Vannatto The answer to your second question is no. The answer to your first question (why?) is that Brian Wynn proved to us (back in 2013) that ESD (electrostatic discharge) will cause dropouts to the AES50 digital signals. It is imperitive to use STP (cat5e, cat6, cat7) with ethercons on each ends and that there is continuity between the ethercon shells.

      Here is the link to his various videos
      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1TL5FTs8ZD-gTOYtJdKytA
      • Sep 30
      • Cable Cat for Midas M32R
        soundman222222222 Hi Paul ! Do you know how to reach Esteban Meyer ?
        • Sep 30
      • Cable Cat for Midas M32R
        Paul_Vannatto No I don't, sorry
        • Sep 30
    • Swansound
      GaryHiggins I will add that Cat8 works fine as well. I have been using it for well over a year (closer to 2 years) with zero issues. I have personally tested over 300 feet (3 100+ foot rolls interconnected) which worked perfectly as well. All Cat7/8 is shielded btw, doesn't come any other way. Of note the new warning stickers that come on the backs of newer Music Tribe devices now all say 'use STP only' but conspicuously omit the Cat version number-finally, small victories imo. That said the Cat5e wars continue to rage on. II should add that the standard Cat8 rj45's will not fit in an Ethercon without trimming. I usually replace them.
      • Oct 1
    • Swansound
      Swansound I'd tried with Adam hall: K3NCAT5 200
      Adam Hall Cables 3 STAR N CAT 5 - Cavo di rete Cat.5e S/UTP cavo LAN flessibile, BUT DON'T WORKS... Can someone in Midas Help me?
      • Oct 27
      • Cable Cat for Midas M32R
        KevinMaxwell Can you provide a link to the exact cable that you tried? I don't see a cable that matches the number that you wrote on Adam Halls Website.

        Is this a pre-made cable assembly or is it raw cable that you put connectors on? When you say it didn't work do you mean that you didn't get connection between the mixer and the stage box. If that is the case then something it not connected or configured wrong or you got a bad cable. If you hook it up with the other UN-shielded cable and it works and then you just swap to the new cable and it doesn't work then you have a bad cable or a cable that was not wired correctly .

        The UN-shielded cable will work until you have a really bad problem usually due to static and then it will put a VERY LOUD pop thru the system that may damage your speakers. And it you have someone on IEMs they will be VERY mad when you potentially damage their hearing.
        • Oct 27
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    Dukegwary1284
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-07-31

    problem with Midas stage box. the mute all automatically goes off and on my DL32. Please how do I fix this

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    jjsnet
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2022-07-07

    Why does Behringer recommend cat5e sheilded for the X-32 when cat6 sheilded is the newer standard and slightly larger wire? They are both twisted pair cables? There is a lot of disagreement in the X-32 media platforms. Thanks in advance.

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    • jjsnet
      Paul_Vannatto I've been using shielded cat5e, cat6 and cat7 since 2014 without any issues. The critical spec is that it is shielded with ethercon ends and there is continuity between ethercon ends.
      • Jul 7
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    nkwn2
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-06-21

    Were can I buy spare power supply for the DN9610  Dual Port AES50 Repeater ?

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    Cabral13
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-05-02

    Hi I am new on Musictribe, can you help me? I need work with stage box of Midas M32 more than 100 meters apart how can I do it? 

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    • Cabral13
      Paul_Vannatto You have a choice of either using a device (eg. Klark Teknick DN9610, any stagebox such as a SD8, any console such as an M32C) as a repeater, or convert AES50 to fibre using a couple of Klark Teknik DN9620 or DN9680 (not cheap).

      Before the pandemic hit, one of my yearly events that I provided sound for was the finish line of a runathon (5K and 10K) where they needed 750 feet of speakers (from entrance to parking lot). I used a combination of 2 X32 Racks and stageboxes to cover this distance without any issues.
      • May 2
    • Cabral13
      Cabral13

      Thank you, my service bought a klark teknick, I don't know exactly what model, but the Klark Teknick only work at 96 kHz and Midas work at 48 khz

      • May 2
    • Cabral13
      GaryHiggins As Paul said, use another stagebox (S/DL16, SD8/SD16) or an X32Rack/Core/M32C in between to break up the 100M into a smaller workable distance. An SD8 is not that expensive and is also extremely useful for other duties after this work problem is over.
      • May 2
    • Cabral13
      Paul_Vannatto I just checked the DN9610 and it does indeed work at either 96 kHz or 48 kHz. I almost bought one a few years ago. Instead I bought an SD8 since it was more versatile.
      • May 2
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    hatfieldshouse
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-02-24

    There seems to be many opinions on using cat 5e with ethercon vs using up to a cat8 with ethercons. I saw this post on music tribe from 2020. I was told in a post it was probably some newby that don't know anything. To me it makes sense. Minimum requirements are cat5e shielded with ethercon ends. Just looking for answers so everyone can be on the same page as far as what we can and can't use. I would like somebody that is highly qualified to give us all the correct answer. I personally have been using cat8 for 3 years with 0 interference or issues. Well here it goes..

    Is it safe to use cat5e. cat6, cat7 and cat8 shielded with ethercon ends for AES50?            If not why?

    What is the maximum length of each that will work?

    Is it OK to use cat8 from the x32 to the router?

    Thank you for your help.

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    • hatfieldshouse
      GaryHiggins The person who wrote that is far from a newbie and knows more about this (and other MT related info) than most. The amount of people he has helped in these forums over the years is enormous. OK, got that off my chest. I know a bit about this subject also but am NOT a MT representative. That may also make me not highly qualified :-) I am highly experienced though. I'll give you my 2 cents anyway as I have been using Cat7 and Cat8 for aes50 use for several years. Let me first say this: All category cable (every one) since Cat5 says that it is 100% backward compatible with all the type(s) that precede it. NOT a one of them says "except for with aes50 use" IMO that alone seals the deal. It is all "safe" if it meets a few other requirements. It has been established (and officially stated by MT) the MINIMUM cable requirement for aes50 use is Cat5E STP with Ethercons. You NEED shielded cable and rj45's, you NEED ethercons and the cable NEEDS to be grounded to the rj45 case at BOTH cable ends. That is bottom line. You can get Cat5 and Cat6 cable that is NOT shielded (Don't) but ALL Cat7 and Cat8 is 100% shielded, none exists that is not shielded. The deal with length is more subtle and controversial IMO because the "speed" of signal gets intertwined with actual connection capable length. Cat8 for instance is certified to maintain the super SPEED it is capable of for about 100 feet. The mixers and gear we use will never supply such speed so....who cares if a signal sent 40x faster than we use might lose a little speed once over 100 feet. The signals themselves do not just reach 100 feet and stop dead. They follow every other category in that regaard. Maximum speed may not be maintained but the signals sent will still get there and within aes50 spec. I have personally tested over 300 feet of Cat8 (interconnected even, not one long piece) without any problems. The shielding properties of Cat7/8 are vastly superior to all those before it. Shielding is THE big safety concern with aes50 so it's that in spades. Generally, it is also way more flexible. Both those qualities make it a really good choice for me. The maximum of aes50 lengths supported in general is conservatively (and officially) considered to be 80M these days, down from 100M previously. Less is recommended 50M, if you can live with it. Testing for your length and situation is advised before you expect it to work in a given situation. Yes Cat8 is safe for the router and all else IMO. I pretty much use it everywhere these days. Flexibility a big factor in that choice. My 2 cents.
      • Feb 24
    • hatfieldshouse
      Paul_Vannatto I agree with Gary. Whoever told you in a post "it was probably some newby that don't know anything" had no clue what he/she was talking about. Rex was one of the many seasoned users of the older official forum that spent a lot of time and effort (along with myself, Gary and many others) helping Behringer and Midas users worldwide with topics pertaining to the digital consoles. One of the hot topics was that of the AES50 cable, particularly concerning dropouts due to ESD. The resulting conclusions after extensive discussions and testing is that it is critical to use shielded cat5e, cat6, cat7 or cat8 with ethercon ends and verification that there was continuity between the ethercon ends. I've been using a mix of shielded cat6 and cat7 (with ethercons) since 2014 and have never had any issues.

      For ethernet between the console and router, shielded cat6, cat7 or cat8 won't hurt. But standard cat5e unshielded also seems to work fine.
      • Feb 24
    • hatfieldshouse
      GaryHiggins

      There was/is another heated post over on one of the X32 Facebook user groups about a user who blew out a aes50 port on his Rack. The repair place he used said it was because he used unshielded cable. Many users then piled on (in all to common facebook fashion) to say he voided his warranty, bla bla bla bla bla. I jumped in to basically say "baloney" no way could that be proved even if true AND also supplied a link to (very expensive) UTP aes50 cable still proudly being sold by Midas this very day. The upshot of interest here is apparently now the mixers and stage boxes and other aes50 related gear come with a bright yellow sticker over them saying ONLY use shielded STP with ether cons. I had not seen that or missed it...and Midas STILL proudly sells UTP( I wonder if they add those stickers to this :-) You know sell a product with a bright yellow sticker that says essentially don't use it) Sorry, my actual point here is, at the very least (from seeing the picture someone supplied on Facebook) Those stickers DO NOT say only use Cat5E and I regard that as progress.

      • Feb 25
    • hatfieldshouse
      GaryHiggins
      • Feb 25
    • hatfieldshouse
      GaryHiggins
      • Feb 25
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    alizasmith657
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-28

    The Arlo Netgear Login page gives you access to the extender settings page. You’ll need access to the user admin credentials and more. For help on accessing the login page using the login credentials, you can always reach out to the team at our end. Furthermore, for personalized assistance, you can always contact our team.

    arlo.netgear.com

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    jmjacque
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-21

    If you want to send your S16 signal via shielded Cat5E cable to 2 different X32 mixers can you split the signal using a standard RJ45 splitter or is there another recommended method?

    Thanks!

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    • jmjacque
      Paul_Vannatto No, AES50 is not ethernet compatible. It is a proprietary protocol (SuperMac) that only uses the ethernet physical layer. To connect an S16 to two consoles (X32/M32/Wing), one of the consoles would have to be in between the other and the S16. On the middle console, the routing would need to be assigned to transfer S16 inputs to the other console and outputs of the other consoles would need to be transferred to the S16 (in the Routing, AES50 screen).
      • October 21, 2021
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