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    hatfieldshouse
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-02-24
    Aes50 cabling and ethernet | Network Cables

    There seems to be many opinions on using cat 5e with ethercon vs using up to a cat8 with ethercons. I saw this post on music tribe from 2020. I was told in a post it was probably some newby that don't know anything. To me it makes sense. Minimum requirements are cat5e shielded with ethercon ends. Just looking for answers so everyone can be on the same page as far as what we can and can't use. I would like somebody that is highly qualified to give us all the correct answer. I personally have been using cat8 for 3 years with 0 interference or issues. Well here it goes..

    Is it safe to use cat5e. cat6, cat7 and cat8 shielded with ethercon ends for AES50?            If not why?

    What is the maximum length of each that will work?

    Is it OK to use cat8 from the x32 to the router?

    Thank you for your help.

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      GaryHiggins The person who wrote that is far from a newbie and knows more about this (and other MT related info) than most. The amount of people he has helped in these forums over the years is enormous. OK, got that off my chest. I know a bit about this subject also but am NOT a MT representative. That may also make me not highly qualified :-) I am highly experienced though. I'll give you my 2 cents anyway as I have been using Cat7 and Cat8 for aes50 use for several years. Let me first say this: All category cable (every one) since Cat5 says that it is 100% backward compatible with all the type(s) that precede it. NOT a one of them says "except for with aes50 use" IMO that alone seals the deal. It is all "safe" if it meets a few other requirements. It has been established (and officially stated by MT) the MINIMUM cable requirement for aes50 use is Cat5E STP with Ethercons. You NEED shielded cable and rj45's, you NEED ethercons and the cable NEEDS to be grounded to the rj45 case at BOTH cable ends. That is bottom line. You can get Cat5 and Cat6 cable that is NOT shielded (Don't) but ALL Cat7 and Cat8 is 100% shielded, none exists that is not shielded. The deal with length is more subtle and controversial IMO because the "speed" of signal gets intertwined with actual connection capable length. Cat8 for instance is certified to maintain the super SPEED it is capable of for about 100 feet. The mixers and gear we use will never supply such speed so....who cares if a signal sent 40x faster than we use might lose a little speed once over 100 feet. The signals themselves do not just reach 100 feet and stop dead. They follow every other category in that regaard. Maximum speed may not be maintained but the signals sent will still get there and within aes50 spec. I have personally tested over 300 feet of Cat8 (interconnected even, not one long piece) without any problems. The shielding properties of Cat7/8 are vastly superior to all those before it. Shielding is THE big safety concern with aes50 so it's that in spades. Generally, it is also way more flexible. Both those qualities make it a really good choice for me. The maximum of aes50 lengths supported in general is conservatively (and officially) considered to be 80M these days, down from 100M previously. Less is recommended 50M, if you can live with it. Testing for your length and situation is advised before you expect it to work in a given situation. Yes Cat8 is safe for the router and all else IMO. I pretty much use it everywhere these days. Flexibility a big factor in that choice. My 2 cents.
      • Feb 24
    • hatfieldshouse
      Paul_Vannatto I agree with Gary. Whoever told you in a post "it was probably some newby that don't know anything" had no clue what he/she was talking about. Rex was one of the many seasoned users of the older official forum that spent a lot of time and effort (along with myself, Gary and many others) helping Behringer and Midas users worldwide with topics pertaining to the digital consoles. One of the hot topics was that of the AES50 cable, particularly concerning dropouts due to ESD. The resulting conclusions after extensive discussions and testing is that it is critical to use shielded cat5e, cat6, cat7 or cat8 with ethercon ends and verification that there was continuity between the ethercon ends. I've been using a mix of shielded cat6 and cat7 (with ethercons) since 2014 and have never had any issues.

      For ethernet between the console and router, shielded cat6, cat7 or cat8 won't hurt. But standard cat5e unshielded also seems to work fine.
      • Feb 24
    • hatfieldshouse
      GaryHiggins

      There was/is another heated post over on one of the X32 Facebook user groups about a user who blew out a aes50 port on his Rack. The repair place he used said it was because he used unshielded cable. Many users then piled on (in all to common facebook fashion) to say he voided his warranty, bla bla bla bla bla. I jumped in to basically say "baloney" no way could that be proved even if true AND also supplied a link to (very expensive) UTP aes50 cable still proudly being sold by Midas this very day. The upshot of interest here is apparently now the mixers and stage boxes and other aes50 related gear come with a bright yellow sticker over them saying ONLY use shielded STP with ether cons. I had not seen that or missed it...and Midas STILL proudly sells UTP( I wonder if they add those stickers to this :-) You know sell a product with a bright yellow sticker that says essentially don't use it) Sorry, my actual point here is, at the very least (from seeing the picture someone supplied on Facebook) Those stickers DO NOT say only use Cat5E and I regard that as progress.
      • Feb 25
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    jmjacque
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-21
    Splitting S16 signal | Network Cables

    If you want to send your S16 signal via shielded Cat5E cable to 2 different X32 mixers can you split the signal using a standard RJ45 splitter or is there another recommended method?

    Thanks!

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    • jmjacque
      Paul_Vannatto No, AES50 is not ethernet compatible. It is a proprietary protocol (SuperMac) that only uses the ethernet physical layer. To connect an S16 to two consoles (X32/M32/Wing), one of the consoles would have to be in between the other and the S16. On the middle console, the routing would need to be assigned to transfer S16 inputs to the other console and outputs of the other consoles would need to be transferred to the S16 (in the Routing, AES50 screen).
      • October 21, 2021
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    DavidAbera
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-03
    Behringer X32 rack sync to S16 | Network Cables

    i have a problem Behringer X32 rack sync  to S16

    please help me 

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    • DavidAbera
      Paul_Vannatto Is the X32 Rack set to master clock (setup, config, sychronization -> Internal)?
      Is the S16 set to mode 1 (all lights, eg Out+8, SN Master, etc. are off)?
      Do you have the AES50 cable plugged into the S16 AES50 A port?
      Have you tried another AES50 cable (yes they can go bad)?
      • July 3, 2021
    • DavidAbera
      DavidAbera Yes, I've tried all of them, but unfortunately it didn't work out.
      • July 3, 2021
    • DavidAbera
      Paul_Vannatto Have you updated the firmware to the S16 and X32 Rack to the latest?
      • July 3, 2021
    • DavidAbera
      DavidAbera I think the RJ45 socket A and B of the Berhringer X32 mixer is defective
      • July 3, 2021
    • DavidAbera
      Paul_Vannatto So you have the X32 Rack as master clock, the S16 in mode 1, the AES50 cable in the S16 port A, and S16 and X32 Rack firmware are both up to date, and you have tried other AES50 cables? If so, I would suggest you submit a ticket (click on Support above) to tech support to see about getting it repaired.
      • July 3, 2021
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    Bearprod1nc
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-06-18
    X32 to iPad direct connect. | Network Cables

    Which device is best for connecting my iPad directly to the X32 rack via ethernet cable.

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    Pastorwife
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-02
    Bringer x32 | Network Cables

    Of like to be able to send out service to Facebook live using for cable and I have no clue how, I've looked at many YouTube videos but none show me step by step set up from where to plug it in the back output to getting all Musician's in. Thank You very much 

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    h941224
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-14
    Behringer NCAT5E-50M Cat5e Cable on Reel | Network Cables 
    I wonder this cable's shield is S-FTP (Screened shielded twisted pair) or UTP shields ???
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    cindysellers
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-27
    Connecting two B205Ds | Network Cables

    We have acquired two Eurolive B205Ds.  Can I connect them using XLR cable from Thru on the first unit to the Main in on the second one?

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  • Siloe7
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-10-07
    S32 Ethernet cable | Network Cables

    I am about to purchase the S32 digital snake for our church's X32 console. What is the best Ethernet connection I need to purchase? We will be running it about 100 feet. 

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    • Siloe7
      Siloe7 I have read that I might need a CAT5e cable but needs to be shielded. Not sure if CAT6 works?
      • October 6, 2020
      • S32 Ethernet cable
        GaryHiggins Cat 5e shielded with ethercons, cat6 shielded with ethercons, or cat7 and cat8 with ethercons all will work. Shielded is a must. (All cat7/8 is shielded). Ethercons also should be used.
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        • October 6, 2020
      • S32 Ethernet cable
        Siloe7 Thank you so much! Helped a lot!
        • October 6, 2020
      • S32 Ethernet cable
        Nigel67 Just as a side note to Gary's comments which are correct, although we have never made any tests or statements with using CAT6, 7 or 8, I would advise that you use stranded core cables and not solid core unless you are installing it behind walls as I have seen to many intermittencies in connections over the years and definitely shielded
        • October 6, 2020
      • S32 Ethernet cable
        Siloe7 Thank you Nigel!
        • October 7, 2020
  • jeffconnective
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-10-01
    Connecting 2 S16s | Network Cables

    I had two S16s connected (one as MASTER and the other as SPLITTER) and it worked for weeks. All of the sudden, they don't connect anymore. The AE550 light is blinking for channel A on both units, but it's intermittent and in no discernable pattern. Please help!

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      Nigel67 Hi Jeff. It could be the clock playing up on the master unit. None of the settings have been accidentally changed? For test purposes, have you swapped the clocking on the units, i.e made the slave the master and master the slave to see if that fixes the issue. How long is your stp CAT5E cable between the units? Due to the fact that the AES50 is flashing on both units, my initial thought would be that the Master unit is faulty. Do you have any other gear with AES50 connections on that you could sync up to each box to identify where the issue lies? Once identified, you will need to go to the support tab at the top of the page and submit a service request ticket and a colleague will be able to book the unit in for repair.
      • September 30, 2020
    • jeffconnective
      Paul_Vannatto I would strongly recommend trying another AES50 cable. I just consulted with someone the other day with similar symptoms and it was the cable at fault (yes they can go bad).
      • October 1, 2020