Hello this is my first posting.

We bought a powered  speaker system and one of the bass unit amplifliers isnt working and needs replacing .

 Does anyone now where i can get a B1800D pro amplifier from ? The speaker is fine just the amp required    

Currently Behringer power amplifiers power ratings are expressed using the term "max power" and Behringer officially states that "you can expect the RMS/continous power rating would be "around" half the declared max power rating".

What does "around" half really means? It is "around half" at least or "around half" at most?

Specifying "Max power" only for a power amplifier could mean that its continous long term power rating may be anywhere over "around half" or under "around half", which makes it difficult to design and calculate a sound system and to choose the proper power amplifier for the loudspeakers for which the continuous and peak power ratings are known.

What methods or guidelines does Behringer use or follow to determine the power rating of its power amplifiers?

Are amplifiers tested with sine wave test tones at different frequencies inside the supported bandwidth?

Are amplifiers tested with pink noise (what crest factor) inside the supported bandwidth?

Are amplifiers tested with both or all channels driven?

What is the maximum THD allowed during the power rating procedure?

What is the resolution of the digital signal processing units used on the power amplifiers with DSP?

Thank kindly!

Hello,

I have followed the manual's instructions for setting the power amp in bridge mode (dip switches 4-5 OFF, dip switches 6-7 ON). My signal chain is as follows:

Bass guitar > Sansamp RBI > Behringer EP2500 > Gallien-Krueger 410SBX Plus (8ohm, 800W RMS)

I have tried using both the Speakon and 1/4" speaker outputs, but the volume that comes out is very low, even with the output level on both the Sansamp and the Behringer at maximum.

Any help appreciated. 

I'm struggling to understand the value and intended usage of the The Behringer KXD15's "stereo link" feature. It is described in the quick start literature as allowing one to connect a second KXD15 via a "stereo link" cable. What the literature does not address is what happens to the inputs and mixer section on the "slave" KXD15. 

1. I am guessing that the inputs on the "slave" would be disabled / unavailable, since there would not be a way to feed its inputs back to the "master" KXD. Or, is the intent is to connect the output from KXD.master to the input of KXD.slave and vice versa, which then raises the question, how does the "system" know which one is "master" vs "slave"?
2. Assuming my guess is correct, that the slave inputs are defeated when in link mode, aside from the relatively low cost of the KXD series, why would one purchase a second KXD only to lose half of its functionality?
3. To achieve stereo sound, wouldn't one be better off just purchasing two powered satellite speakers and using the XLR outputs?
4. Is there another mono combo amp (amp+speaker only) that would pair with the KXD for equivalent sound quality that one should consider besides a fully-loaded KXD, or TWO satellite speakers?

Behringer KM750 specifications state a voltage gain of 32dB. However, if we do the math, the published voltage gain value doesn't add up.

The specifications states that the KM 750 delivers 200 watts into 8 ohms with an input sensitivity of 0.775 Volts.

Output voltage formula: sqrt (power x impedance)

Output voltage calculated: sqrt (200 x 8) = 40V

Voltage gain (amplification factor): output voltage / input voltage = Av (amplification factor)

Voltage gain (amplification factor) calculated: 40 V / 0.775 V = 51.62

Voltage gain (dB) formula: 20log(Av)

Voltage gain (dB) calculated: 20log(51.61) = 34.25 dB

The calculated voltage gain is 2 dB higher than the specified voltage gain.

The only scenario the specified voltage gain is 32 dB is if the input sensitivity is, in fact, 1 Volt.

Furthermore, if we take the officially specified input sensitivity (0.775 V) and voltage gain (32 dBU) and do the math, we arrive at a different result for the output power of 119 watts, which is less than the officially specified power into 8 ohm load.

So, the following question arises: when input sensitivity of 0.775 V is selected, the maximum input voltage required for maximum rated power is 0.775 V (0 dBU) or 1 V (+2 dBU)?

The following scenario applies to Behringer KM 1700, also.

Update:

On 29.06.2022, MusicTribe Customer Solutions Specialist Mr Kyle Johnson replied to my support ticket,  and his answer is as follows: "The 200W is the peak power not the RMS, the calculation should based on the RMS 130W for KM750 and 310W for KM1700. Also, the peak power is actually about 210W."

This is important information and should definitely be included in the product's user manual.

Starting from this, suppose we now have a peak power of 210W into 8 ohm load.

Calculate the peak voltage: SQRT(210*8)=40.987 Vpeak

Calculate the RMS voltage: 40.987*0.707=28.977 Vrms

Calculate power (RMS): SQR(28.977)/8=104.95 W

Calculate amplification factor (X) for 0.775 input sensitivity: 28.977/0.775=37.389

Calculate dB voltage gain: 20*LOG(37.389)=31.454 dB 

As you can see, the statement about 130 W RMS doesn't hold up.

Amplifier power is calculated, not measured.

A Voltmeter measures voltage in volts. An Ammeter measures current in amperes. An Ohmmeter measures resistance in ohms. Any two of these measurements will allow calculation of amplifier power (in watts).

If you search MusicTribe knowledge base articles, under Behringer brand you will find an article called "What is RMS" with the following statements:

"We no longer list our amp power ratings by RMS as these tend to not give true results as tests are always done using signal generators and specific waveforms which don't reflect in comparison to music, music comes at fuller frequencies and non linear dynamics which of course as I'm sure you're aware is nothing like a test tone generated from a signal generator...As a rule of thumb, you can assume RMS is around half the peak value."

Of course music comes with broad frequency range and nonlinear dynamics, because music is mixed and mastered in a specific way, to ensure tonal balance and a specific dynamic range to make it sound good. Its purpose is to be listened and not to be used as a test tone for audio equipment capabilities and limits, although there are certain instruments that can put an audio equipment to the test. On the other hand, test tones are created and used specifically for testing and measurement of audio equipment capabilities and limits. By using test tones and filtered noise waveforms able to stress and measure the audio equipment capabilities and quality of assembly, manufacturers ensure the customer's piece of mind, knowing that when the specific equipment is used with music, it will never reach the operational limits, unless it is used by reckless or unprofessional people. A 0 dBFS test tone with a crest factor of 3 dB is able to push an amplifier or a loudspeaker to its limits, if played long enough, compared to a music track with a crest factor (dynamic range) of about 14 dB, because the latter will never bring an amplifier to its current limits. As many of you know, music is mixed and mastered with different dynamic range, according to the author or the mastering engineer tastes, resulting in dynamic range values between 6 and 20 dB, which makes it difficult to be used as a test reference. You could use music as a test reference if all music tracks are mastered to the same dynamic range (crest factor) target level, but that is not the case. Therefore if a certain audio equipment manufacturer choose to publish peak values for power ratings, it can also publish the calculated average power output relative to the measured RMS voltage output of its equipment, under specifically stated test conditions (proprietary or standardized), and stand behind its statements, ensuring the proper sound system design and implementation for a potential customer. In my experience, failing to disclose usefull information to the customers and failing to provide a solid customer support for parts, warranty and technical feedback is a sure way to destroy a brand's image and affect its business future, even if that particular brand is making good efforts to offer competitive products in terms of functionality. 

Anyway, as a conclusion, it seems that if you want to match your speakers RMS / continous power rating with a Behringer amplifier power rating, you should expect half of the declared power ratings.

Therefore, the calculated parameters for Behringer KM 750 and Behringer KM 1700, based on published specifications are as follows:

Behringer KM 750:

Peak Power / channel @ 8 ohm: 200 W

Peak voltage: SQRT (200 X 8) = 40 V

RMS voltage: 40 X (1 / SQRT(2)) = 28.284 V

Average continous power @ 8 ohm: SQR(28.284) / 8 = 100 W

RMS current: 100 / 28.284 = 3.535 A

Peak Power / channel @ 4 ohm: 400 W

Peak voltage: SQRT (400 X 4) = 40 V

RMS voltage: 40 X (1 / SQRT(2)) = 28.284 V

Average continous power @ 4 ohm: SQR(28.284) / 4 = 200 W

RMS current: 200 / 28.284 = 7.071 A

Amplification factor for 0.775 V input sensitivity: 28.284 / 0.775 = 36.519

Voltage gain for 0.775 V input sensitivity: 20 X LOG (36.519) = 31.250 dB

Amplification factor for 1.4 V input sensitivity: 28.284 / 1.4 = 20.203

Voltage gain for 1.4 V input sensitivity: 20 X LOG (20.203) = 26.108 dB

 Behringer KM 1700:

Peak Power / channel @ 8 ohm: 500 W

Peak voltage: SQRT (500 X 8) = 63.245 V

RMS voltage: 63.245 X (1 / SQRT(2)) = 44.721 V

Average continous power @ 8 ohm: SQR(44.721) / 8 = 250 W

RMS current: 250 / 44.721 = 5.590 A

Peak Power / channel @ 4 ohm: 800 W

Peak voltage: SQRT (800 X 4) = 56.568 V

RMS voltage: 56.568 X (1 / SQRT(2)) = 40 V

Average continous power @ 4 ohm: SQR(40) / 4 = 400 W

RMS current: 400 / 40 = 10 A

Amplification factor for 0.775 V input sensitivity: 44.721 / 0.775 = 57.742

Voltage gain for 0.775 V input sensitivity: 20 X LOG (36.519) = 35.229 dB

Amplification factor for 1.4 V input sensitivity: 44.721 / 1.4 = 31.943

Voltage gain for 1.4 V input sensitivity: 20 X LOG (31.943) = 30.087 dB