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  • billh2020
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-28

    Greetings!

    I am still learning my way around a digital mixer and hope that I can get some advice on the best way to configure our MR18 mixer. In a nutshell, I want to route non-EQed audio post-fader to the USB interface and am not sure the most efficient method.

    Our Application

    We work with corporate clients to produce company meetings. These can take place in a variety of spaces, including very reverberant venues like breweries.

    We provide the local sound reinforcement and broadcast audio and video to remote locations using web conference or live streaming. When web conferencing, remote locations may present (using audio, video and screen sharing) to the local audience.

    Here is our audio routing: 

    • We have a combination of wireless lav/headworn/handheld microphones coming into the MR 18.
    • We are using PEQ’s on the channels and a TEG/GEQ on the LR mains. We also use the auto-mix feature on the microphone channels.
    • The MR18 LR mains feed a local sound system for sound reinforcement. 
    • The Midas USB interface is configured for 2 channel operation connected to a computer workstation running a video switcher application (i.e. the Video Switcher).
    • The web conferencing remote audio feed is routed from the Video Switcher to the MR18 using the USB interface for in-house playback. This allows remote presenters to address the in-house audience.
    • To avoid a feedback loop, on the MR18 we create a mix-minus aux-send feed using Bus A. This mix-minus routes all local microphone audio less the web conferencing remote audio via the USB interface to the video mixer. The tap point is post-fader since individual microphones are muted when speakers are off-stage. This audio is broadcast to all the geographically remote locations.

    The Problem

    Depending on the event space, we use PEQ/TEQ/GEQ on the microphones to suppress feedback. I would like to send the “fuller” sounding non-EQ’ed microphone audio to the remote audience while maintaining a tap point that allows us to mute individual mic channels for both local and remote audiences.

    On a side note, I've learned alot reading through these postings and appreciate the knowledge shared on these boards. Thanks in advance for your advice!

    Bill

     

     

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    • billh2020
      GaryHiggins

      @billh2020 It seems like you have got your local feed under control with post fader room compensated sends to FOH. You can set your usb sends at a different tap and by using the +M version of that tap, still maintain your mutes as desired. You might want to try the pre eq plus mute tap (solid yellow in M32-Edit) for the usb ch sends. It would be best if you post your scene here to get a clear picture of what you have set up.


       


      EDIT: In the setup/GUI Prefs section, if you make sure "Apply changes to all channels" is NOT checked, you can even send every ch at a different tap point if that works out better for some usb ch's.

      • August 28, 2019
    • billh2020
      Vasco_Romijn

      In the routing setup by the USB sends tab you can set those channels to Pre EQ+Mute. I think you lost fader control on the USB sends this way because it is not post fader anymore. You have to try yourself because I do not own a MR18. Just have the software installed for offline configurations when I know there is one at a veneu where I have to work.

      • August 28, 2019
  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-21

    We have an M32 AES50-B <-> X32 Core A <> X32 Core B <-> DL32 A

     

    Sync master is X32 Core

     

    We are not always getting sync on power up

     

    1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?

    2) Can they be arbitrarily power cycled (as long as the X32 core being the master is on)

     

    Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?

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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      We are not always getting sync on power up


      Anytime I get intermittent sync, it is usually due to a flakey AES50 cable.


      1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?


      I normally power up the master clock device first. But it seems to sync irrespective of the order.


      Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?


      I would suspect a cable.





       

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul


      We lost sync between X32Core+DL32.


      We powere cycled them both which fixed sync


      This caused M32+X32Core sync to be lost


      We reset M32, sync still lost


      We powered everything down then turned on X32Core+M32, waited for them to boot/sync, then turned on M32 and it worked finally.


       


      As per these steps, sync was lost on both cables at separate times


       


      If this is supposed to be robust on bootup at all times I'd suspect the X32 Core since sync was lost or not achieved on both AES ports of the X32 Core

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      By the way, we did not move or change any AES or other cables at all during this process.  Entirely related to reboots and the like.

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Sorry no edit feature. We are using high quality AES50 cables here for both cables. Odds they are problematic is extremely low, and odds that both happened to fail is even lower. Sorry no edit feature on these posts my bad

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Have you tried to change the master to the M32?


      Are the AES50 cables shielded with ethercons on each end?


      Have you tried re-aligning the RJ45 connectors inside the ethercon ends (by loosening the stress nut, plugging the end into a jack, wiggling slightly, then tightening the nut)?

      • August 21, 2019
  • Dionysos
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-20

    Hello Musictribe

    I've had the x32 and a XR18 for years with zero problems what so ever. Anyway; My brand new MR 18 died when I tried to route a recorded track back to the console in my DAW.

    It's simply dead now, no light anywere. I'm thinking it could be a fuse or something, but it has no fuse on the outside. Do you think my only option is to send it back (and wait for months) or can I check my fuse idea out without breaking the warrenty?

     

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    • Dionysos
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Kaj @Dionysos,


      Welcome to the forum. Before doing anything drastic like sending it back, have you tried plugging in your XR18 to the same power cord to make sure the cord, etc. is working? To be honest with you, I haven't opened up my MR18 (or XR18 for that matter) to see if there is a fuse inside. Both have been working flawlessly since I got them.


       

      • August 20, 2019
    • Dionysos
      Dionysos

      Hi Paul


      Yes, I've tried that. I geues it's just bad luck.


      It did, however, sound great the four days it was alive. I don't know if it was the better pre-amps, but it was really sweet, the fx came to life in a new way too. I will send it back - and hope to hear it again in 2019


      Thanks for your input

      • August 20, 2019
    • Dionysos
      KenMitchell

      If it's brand new, can't you just return it to where you bought it and get another one?  I'd expect that to be much quicker than trying to get it repaired under warranty. 


       


      Ken

      • August 20, 2019
  • djn111
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-16

    Hello,

    Does anyone have experience if the Waves X-WSG card works in a M32C ?

    DJN

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    • djn111
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @djn111 

      Yes, the X-WSG works the same in M32C as it does with the other M32 / X32 console versions. 

      • August 26, 2019
      • X-Wsg waves card in a M32C ?
        djn111 A bit slow, but thanx ! :-)
        • July 3, 2020
  • Alphasounds
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-12

    I would like to use the aes 3 stereo input of a active system to avoid multible conversion. I have also a DL32 and a M32 but the mr would be perfect for smaller stuff butit is  loosing the live in the play back. I have used a yellowteck aes converter but the latency of 6ms is round trip with logic is just to much. Is there any sollution maybe with ultranet ?

    Thank You.

    Thor

    Alphasounds.com

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    • Alphasounds
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @Alphasounds,


      The MR18 does not have AES input or output. Ultranet is a proprietary (Klark Teknik) one directional protocol that is designed to feed P16 and Ultranet capable speakers (eg. TurboSound iQ series). Also the M-Air (and X-Air) family of consoles were not designed for expansion. If you do need this, consider getting an X32 Rack and one of the AES capable stagebox (such as the DL16).


       

      • August 12, 2019
    • Alphasounds
      Alphasounds

      Thanks Paul. Sorry for the Spelling mistakes.


      The X air + DL 32 is just too ugly ...


      I muted the high mid out and use the subs, from aux 6 with another set of active tops with no DSP. The difference in latency is very little with a compressor plug in at the master.


      GreetingThor.


       

      • August 12, 2019
  • carminedi
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-10

    Hi guys,

    I am having som problems with the usb memoty stick.

    the desk doesn't see it, nor the offline editor.

    is there a special way to format it ? or what could the problem be ???

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    • carminedi
      garyh

      Wish I had a Pro9 to then have your issue!..so...Just guessing here but the size of the drive usually matters, probably less than 32 gig will work. If it were me I would try 16 gig or 8. Some drives just won’t work no matter what. Try formatting it Fat32 that is usually the format used. Some 32gig or larger drives may work if you can format them using fat 32. My best guess!

      • August 10, 2019
    • carminedi
      CARLOSPER

      Hi. If as Garyh says it has to be in FAT32.
      And I ask you, do you already have any scenes or Upgrades inside the USB memory?
      If you have to update the version. Create a folder with the name
      DL3Upgrades and inside place the file as it was downloaded.
      And insert the memory into the USB port with the blue LED on.
      You may have already done this.
      I hope it is useful.
      I remain at your service
      best regards
      Carlos M Perrone

      • August 10, 2019
  • nb3
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-08

    I’ve recently used a Pro2 and the Spectrum Analyzer on it is really nice. Just like the animation on it is super responsive and tight and because of that it’s more useful to me than any other spectrum analyzer I’ve used. I’m just using the default settings on it. Anybody know if there’s a way to get that same spectrum analyzer software as standalone software on your computer? Or better yet as a plug-in? I’m expecting that doesn’t exist, so this is more a request to Midas to make that a thing. I’m also wondering if anybody knows of a software spectrum analyzer that’s similar in its responsiveness and animation to Midas’s

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  • coreysound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-31

    Just saw on twitter Midas put the Tc Electronic vss4 in the Pro series. Think they'll add it to m32? 

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    • coreysound
      VincentPouly

      Hi,


      Not PRO Series, only ProX consoles.


      It seems it needs CPU ans Neutron can provide it, not PRO1/2/2C.


       

      • July 31, 2019
  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-29
    Ok, after returning our DN9630 to get a used X32 Core, we finally have the components we need to cover all scenarios. Scenario 1: M32 AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-A X32 Core AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-B M32 sync is internal X32 Core sync is AES50-A Scenario 1, the AES50 syncs are both green on the DL32. Sync on the DL32 was green in this case. Audio seemed to work ok. Outputs should default in this case to the M32 since it's on AES50-A (that's my understanding?). Scenario 2: M32 is powered down, DL32 is still on X32 Core AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-B In this case, we were unable to get the DL32 AES50-B to sync green. Question: Will Scenario 2 work? We want to leave the M32 powered off, and be able to use the X32 Core AES50-A to the DL32 AES50-B.
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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:

      Question: Will Scenario 2 work? We want to leave the M32 powered off, and be able to use the X32 Core AES50-A to the DL32 AES50-B.



      No it will not work. The DL32 can only receive the wordclock from the AES50 A port. So if you turn off the M32 (with sync as internal - thus master clock), you will have to connect the X32 Core to the DL32 AES50 A port and turn on the sync (on X32 Core) to internal. Just remember that when you want scenario to switch it back (AES50 B and sync to AES50 A).


       


      If you don't want to hassle with changing sync and ports, a better way to set this up would be:


      M32 [B] <-> [A] X32 Core [B] <-> [A] DL32


      Make the X32 Core master clock (sync = Internal) and M32 as slave (sync = AES50 B)


      X32 Core Routing, AES50-a screen (DL32 inputs to M32)


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 B1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 B9-16


      * Outputs 17-24 -> AES50 B17-24


      * Outputs 25-32 -> AES50 B25-32


      X32 Core Routing, AES50-b screen (M32 outputs to DL32 outputs)


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 A1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 A9-16


       


      For scenario 2, if you want X32 Core outputs to go to the DL32, you will probably want to change the Routing, AES50-b screen to:


      * Outputs 1-8 -> Out 1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> Out 9-16


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul.  Would the proposed second setup introduce additional latency to the M32 since the audio is ostensibly now passing through the X32 Core?

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      Would the proposed second setup introduce additional latency to the M32 since the audio is ostensibly now passing through the X32 Core?





      If I remember correctly the AES50 latency is 0.9ms. So if you are traveling the speed of light, I guess that would be significant. 


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      I wonder exactly how they would add up.  Maybe it's 0.9ms per stage and side, so M32->X32Core->DL32->X32Core->M32 might introduce 4 * 0.9ms = 3.6ms round trip.

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Well all I can say is that of all of the many users I've helped (over the 6+ years) with similar scenarios (console <> console <> stagebox <> stagebox), I've yet to hear from one that complained about latency issues.

      • July 29, 2019
  • ACE
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-24

    I first loved my X32 and now i fell in Love with my M32 Live but.......

    please, will there ever be a chance to load reverbs or the Combinator to the right side of the

    FX Rack?

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    • ACE
      RichardYClark

      No for either the X or M 32 I'm afraid. many of the FX that are in the left hand side are very processor intensive and the mixers don't have enough processing power to make all the effects work in all eight FX slots. You can only have the simpler FX in the right hand four slots.

      • July 24, 2019
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