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    curtbl
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-04-14

    Has anyone had luck setting up Midi using RTP ?

    Im trying to understand what I'm missing, using a simple midi controller to trigger or change the console not for DAW operation

    Thanks for any thoughts

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    Teilnehmer
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-14

    Hello Behringer-Wing-Team,

    as a musician and garage/low budget producer I use multitrack recording for about 30 years. I love stand alone hardware and do not like working with computers (in case of making and recording music).

    Now there is the Behringer Wing – a digital 48 channel stereo mixer with recording functions!

    My question is: Is it planned to enrich the Wing with multitrack recording options such as overdub and track/source edit functions like c&p, insert, mute, time stretch, reverse and adding mastering functions? I heard that a more compact version is planned – it would be perfect for me to and for you to redefine the world of digital stand alone multitrackers! Win-win-win-win.
    I had a Tascam DP-32 – which did not match my expectations in terms of sound quality and workflow. I work with an old Korg D32XD at the moment but I would really like to enter modern times, regarding the hardware (and software) possibilities - that the Wing offers.

    To put it in one sentence: The Wing is such a powerful and great sounding platform – why am I forced to work with DAWs or 15-20 year old stand multitrackers instead for recording purposes? :-(

    I hope you can help me.

    Thank you very much and greets from Germany,

    Teilnehmer

    P.S. Happy birthday, Uli Behringer!

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    • Teilnehmer
      -mjk- None of the X-Live cards do individual track arming. I use my X32 with Dante and record in a DAW. Very convenient and extremely fast, once you get it set up.
      • Wed at 8:39 AM
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    AaronPlant
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-04-14

    Hello all,

    Quick and hopefully simple question... Can Ultranet be connected via a standard Ethernet network switch somehow?

    I am trying to simplify the number of network devices in my setup as I am now networking my X32 Rack, X-Touch, MacBook, and S32 interface using CAT-6 cables - so I'm just wondering what would happen if some of these devices sat on the same network switch before reaching the other end into the devices... I think AES50 can travel through a standard Ethernet switch... not sure about Ultranet?

    Any advice you have would be very much appreciated :)

    Thanks, Aaron.

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    • AaronPlant
      Nigel67 Hi Aaron. Unfortunately, even though it uses the same cables, it will not work over ethernet
      • Wed at 4:42 AM
    • AaronPlant
      AaronPlant

      Hello Nigel, do you mean ANY of it, or is some of it possible with standard network switches? Obviously the X-Touch and X32 Rack are already networked, but it was the AES50 and Ultranet I was hoping to consolidate. I found an article online that said AES50 was Ethernet compatible, so maybe it is the Ultranet that isn't? I guess that would explain the Behringer P16-D switch...?

      • Wed at 4:46 AM
    • AaronPlant
      GaryHiggins Aes50 will not work on a network switch, you need bidirectional communications for sync so no way to have multiple returns go down one input line. Ultranet doesn’t use all data pairs of a lan cable but is ethernet cable compatible, it’s a proprietary format. You do need a P16D for Ultranet, or an SD8/16 which have multiple p16 ports.
      • Wed at 5:30 AM
    • AaronPlant
      AaronPlant

      Hi again Gary :) - thanks for clarifying this - there's nothing Behringer-specific I could find on the internet regarding this so it is good to know and I note the lack of Ultranet ports on the S32 which is a shame. I'll see about getting hold of a P16D for the Ultranet connectivity then :) I'm also using the Turbosound NuQ tops and subs via Ultranet on top of all the above equipment, hence the question :)

      • Wed at 5:34 AM
      • Ultranet over standard Ethernet switch?
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Aaron, I just checked and the S32 does have an Ultranet port, similar to the S16. If you are looking for a stagebox with multiple Ultranet ports, consider getting the SD16 or S8 which have 4 and 2 ports respectively. I find that using multiple SD stageboxes strategically placed on the stage superior to using an all-in-one stagebox.

        Regarding the question of the ethernet compatibility of the AES50 and Ultranet, both are only first layer (physical) compatible of the ethernet protocol. Otherwise both AES50 and Ultranet protocols are proprietary to Klark Teknik (which is part of the MT family).
        • Wed at 6:27 AM
      • Ultranet over standard Ethernet switch?
        GaryHiggins Also with an S/DL16/32 stageboxes, they all have adat ports (which output aes50 17-32) you could get a P16i which connects by adat (also analog) and has multiple (5) powered p16 output ports. Whatever you assign aes50 17-32 will be output on the p16i Ultranet ports. For your speakers or p16m’s. They all still have a single Ultranet port besides adat.
        • Wed at 12:02 PM
    • AaronPlant
      Nigel67

      Hi Aaron, sorry for the late reply. I see Gary and Paul have already answered your questions though. Everything they have said is exactly right.

      • Wed at 7:12 AM
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    PerHeldal
    Valued Contributor - Level 2
    2021-04-14

    Why is it that Behringer/MusicTribe seem to insist on categorising all online-communications by market? Don't you care at all about consumers who already own your products? The "tribe-concept" seem entirely focused on marketing and is worthless for product support. It is as if the company is trying to discourage communications between users. Instead you should facilitate communications to support customer self-service. This new website has now been in production for a couple years, and despite promises made it has not improved in any significant way. As implemented performance is dismal, and functionality even worse. Experienced users struggle to find relevant information and new users often give up. There are alternative sources to information such as facebook-groups and 3rd-party forums, but the corporate online-support for MusicTribe products is now widely considered to be non-existing with the exception of downloads for software and documentation. For tech-support the old simple forum categorised by product-family was vastly superior. As more and more local shops close and busness move online it gets harder to get assistance locally. With my 30+ years of experience from IT and networking I simply don't understand how your corporate management has been able to ignore this problem for so long. I would have been fired within a week if I had implemented such a disaster of a website for a client without an immediate fix or rolling back to a working solution. Every visit to this website for information is turning me off MT-products. Everywhere I look for tech-info about MT-products the sentiment is also the same, that online tech-support is lacking. This is what I hear from Midas and Turbosound sales and tech as well as from people in retail. Further adding to the problem is that tech support specialists are being laid off left right and center to cut cost. I'm not writing this just to bash MT-management. I just find it sad that the support situation have led at lot of former diehard Midas, KlarkDesign, TC-electronics and TurboSound users/fans to now recommend against the purchase of those products.

    PS! As the community discussion (what should have been a proper forum) doesn't offer a "general" category I have put this request in a category that is relevant to my needs.

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    • PerHeldal
      AaronPlant Having read your post, with all due respect- I am slightly bewildered to be honest, as I have always found this web site a great help. Users have always been very willing to offer help, and often I get the answers I need without having to go direct to the manufacturer for support. I realise that this may not always work, but I would guess that for the majority of users, the answers are usually forthcoming. Clearly you have had a bad experience, and we all know how frustrating it is when you can't get the answers you need, but it might be a little harsh to say that the web site is useless... things can always be improved for sure, but other than this site being somewhat slower to load, I really can't say that I've had any bad experiences.
      • Wed at 3:51 AM
    • PerHeldal
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Aaron, Per does have a point. In spite of the fact that there are so many things wrong to this new forum interface, there are a few of us still sticking it out trying to help answer questions and providing solutions. Unfortunately we have lost many of our seasoned user/members that provided such a wealth of insight and experience. On the flip side, we have gained an increasing amount of MT staff support, which we are grateful for.
      • Wed at 8:34 AM
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    Mike7300
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-14

    Can someone explain how to best use two subwoofers as far as which channels I should plug them into and how to get only the bass and kick drum to go through them? And also how to best manage their level compared with the mains?

    Thus far I've only been using two PA speakers but would like to add subs under those speakers at some point.

     

     

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    • Mike7300
      GaryHiggins One way. In your outputs 1-16 routing menu select one and assign it to MC (mono/center.) I might suggest number 6 as Main L/R use 7 and 8 and they will then all be in order 6-8. Now your XLR out #6 (if left at the default setting) will carry whatever you assign to the mono ch. Any ch's that will require sub frequencies like Kick and Bass need to be assigned to the Mono bus which is done in that particular chs Main out section (where L/R is also assigned). You then have the option of not sending those ch's to Main L/R. I usually keep both selected as there are other frequencies I like to tweak in some types of low frequency ch's. Also in the mixer setup section, select "M/C depends on main L/R" and the Mono out fader will be tied to Main L/R and auto adjusted based on the fader position of the mains. You can daisy chain XLR's from one sub to the other to connect both to output 6 (or whichever you selected) It will take some experimentation to get the right level at first to output to the subs, but you will get it easily enough.
      • Wed at 1:31 AM
    • Mike7300
      Mike7300

      Thanks. Do the TRS outs work ok for in ear monitors? Right now I have someone using outs 5 and 6 for in ears so I would need to re-assign. Otherwise I’ll need to get an SD 8
      • Wed at 4:56 AM
      • Using subwoofers with X32 Rack
        GaryHiggins Yes they do work, but you don’t need to use xlr 6, I suggested that just to make it somewhat organized, meaning all your mains outputs are together...but you say which one is used for Mono/C . Could be any unused bus, in your case 1 thru 4 I guess. Could also drive the subs from the aux out if you need to.
        • Wed at 5:39 AM
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    Ndb9
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-13

    Hello,

    thanks for reading. I'm working with an iPad pro 3rd gen os14.4.2 and using X-AIR and M32-Mix apps. I'm using m-Air-18 mixer, and x-32, m-32 etc. I've also used a few different network routers to connect, and even used the local access WiFi built on board. Standing well within range of the router I'm experiencing lag and freezes that make mixing nearly impossible. It's happened several times with different setups, the only constant factor has been the iPad and software. 

    I have a vpn app installed on my pad but always disable it before connecting to the mixer. Could this or other installed apps be interfereing? Are there any behringer approved routers that could be relied on?

     

    any advice much appreciated. Thanks

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    • Ndb9
      RexBeckett Hi Ndb9, have you tried using a router that supports the 802.11ac Wifi standard? This type of 5GHz Wifi is much more resistant to interference than any of the 2.4GHz modes. The iPad Pro 3rd Gen supports 802.11ac Wifi.
      • Wed at 2:54 AM
    • Ndb9
      Ndb9 Update: just called apple, they said it’s likely something to do with the app software, so I deleted the app and reinstalled. However I noticed that many people have reviewed the app from the App Store negatively siting similar issues to mine ever since iOS 13. Now that I’m on iOS 14 I wonder if this is my issue... are there any behringer support lines I can discuss this with? Am I S.O.L for my gigs this summer ?
      • Wed at 8:53 AM
      • X-AIR app frequently freezing lagging
        RexBeckett You could always try Mixing Station iOS version. It requires a small one-time payment but is very well supported and gets frequent updates for user-requested features. For more information, see: https://dev-core.org/ms-docs/feature-list/
        • Wed at 9:54 AM
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    WMitschke
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-13

    I'm sure this is an ID10T error..., but, I'm having a problem adjusting the volume of my individual channels.  I set up each bus as a monitor and assigned different channels to each bus.  If I turn down the mains, the mains go down but the monitors stay up (which is what I want). If I turn down the bus, the volume in the bus (or monitor) goes down (also, what I want). But, when I turn down the individual channels, it only goes down in the mains (not what I want). I would like the channel volume to lower that channels volume in the mains and the subs.  

    Does anyone have a solution?

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    • WMitschke
      Paul_Vannatto On that channel's sends to that bus, change the taps to post fader.
      • Tue at 2:44 PM
    • WMitschke
      WMitschke

      Could you point me to a thread or article that shows me how to do that. I am using the latest version of the Behringer X Air software and the appearance of the software is different from the tutorials on YouTube.

      Could you point me to a thread or article that shows me how to do that. I am using the latest version of the Behringer X Air software and the appearance of the software is different from the tutorials on YouTube.

      • Tue at 2:47 PM
      • Behringer X Air XR18 Channel Volume
        Paul_Vannatto Using X-Air Edit (for PC, Mac, linux or Raspberry Pi), select the channel you want to change, then select the Sends tab (at the top) and change the tap to the respective bus to post fader.
        • Wed at 5:56 AM
    • WMitschke
      WMitschke

      Thanks!

      • Tue at 5:09 PM
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    CVC15
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-13

    I'm sure it's user error (me).  My iPhone asks for a PIN while trying to connect to my FLOW 8, how do I get the pin?

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    • CVC15
      DavidKnighton Hello CVC15,
      You shouldn't need a pin. Are you trying to connect BT via the app or via SETTINGS on iPhone? Try 0000 for the pin.
      • Tue at 11:13 AM
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    Andrew25
    Contributor - Level 1
    2021-04-12

    Our band uses the xr18 mixer for all our gigs and sometimes we have to connect the main outs into the house console at a venue.

    Do the XR18 XLR outs have phantom power protection? 

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    • Andrew25
      RexBeckett Hi Andrew, I would play it safe and use line-level isolating transformers or DI boxes between the two consoles. As well as blocking phantom, these will also avoid potential ground loops.

      e.g. https://www.amazon.com/ART-DTI-Transformer-Isolator-Eliminator/dp/B0009GUOQA/
      • Mon at 12:09 PM
    • Andrew25
      Nigel67 Hi Andrew25. I would definitely advise the same as Rex and get a couple of isolating transformers or DI boxes as they will more than likely save you money in the long run. The XR18 does have protection against phantom power being applied to its outputs, however eventually the circuitry will break down if phantom power is applied enough times and the XR18 will then require repairing. This will happen to the analogue outputs on any manufacturers console eventually. I have seen it many times, even on the high end Pro gear.
      • Mon at 10:31 PM
    • Andrew25
      Andrew25

      Thanks for the info. Is it ok to use a pair of BSS AR-133 DI boxes on the outputs? https://bssaudio.com/en/products/ar-133

      • Tue at 2:00 AM
      • Phantom power protection for behringer XR18 XLR outputs
        RexBeckett Yes a pair of BSS AR-133s should work well, Andrew. Place them close to your XR18 to minimize the length of the unbalanced cables.
        • Tue at 3:10 AM
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    jwidee
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-11

    Im looking to purchase the x32 for live sound, can i use a Bus with a computer to mix for live webcasting also? And if so, will I have access to all the features on that Bus to make eq adjustments as needed, and not affect the FOH

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    • jwidee
      Paul_Vannatto Hi John, yes you can use a bus (or bus stereo linked pair) for livestreaming. That is how my church has it setup. If the channel sends are setup with one of the pre-fader taps, respective changes to FOH will not affect the livestream.
      • Apr 11
      • x32
        jwidee So I can have one guy mixing live sound for FOH, and use the usb from the x32 to a pc and bring the x32 software up and mix the live stream from there, and have it configured so live mixing does not affect live stream, or Live stream mixing will not affect FOH mixing? Is this correct? I want to have someone mixing FOH and someone mixing Live Stream.
        • Apr 11
      • x32
        KevinMaxwell NO!!!
        • Apr 11
      • x32
        jwidee Why not Kevin? Explain please...
        • Apr 11
      • x32
        KevinMaxwell You would have to do what I mentioned with something like Ableton live unless you want to take a prefader MixBus send and have no processing at all on your streaming feed. If you use less then 16 inputs you could assign each input to 2 different channels and use one set of them to mix the stream and the other to mix the house. Or another way to do it is to use something like the Midas M32c (CORE) and mix the stream thru that and the hose thru the X32. Connecting the M32C to the AES50 on each unit to get the inputs from the X32.
        • Apr 11
    • jwidee
      jwidee So, can you control the x32 from a pc?
      • Apr 11
    • jwidee
      KevinMaxwell I know a church that has an X32 and they are using Ableton live to mix their streaming feed. The computer is connected to the USB connector on X32 card in the back of the X32. By default the outputs to the USB are pre all processing. They then take the output of that computer to feed the streaming device. This is the simple explanation of what they are doing. The X32 edit software is basically a way to remotely control the X32 it doesn’t take the audio into the computer at all.
      • Apr 11
    • jwidee
      Paul_Vannatto The answer to your first question (mix livestream independent to FOH), the answer is yes - with caveats. The answer to your second question (control X32 from a PC) the answer is definitely yes.

      The caveats I mentioned is are as follows:
      * Each channel strip has one gate, EQ, compressor, etc. This means that for instance you want separate channel EQ, compressor, etc. for livestream and FOH, you will need to use 2 channel strips (with the same source) where one channel strip will process the signals for FOH and the other process the signals for livestream.
      * The channel strip sends (to the mixbus) taps will determine what channel processing will be included in the processing of the signals to that mixbus. For example, at our church, we have all of the channel sends to mixbus 9/10 (for livestream) set as pre-fader. That means that the gate, EQ and compressor processing for FOH will also affect the signals to the livestream, but not the fader levels, pans, etc. That was our decision for simplicity (livestream techs are volunteers with limited experience with sound). If the taps were set as pre EQ, (and the compressor is set as post EQ), then only the gate processing affects both FOH and livestream.
      * Preamp gain and phantom are pre everything, meaning that changes to these will affect all, including FOH, monitors, livestream, other feeds, etc.
      • Apr 11
    • jwidee
      GeorgeDougherty If I were setting things up, I'd do one of two things.
      First option with only one console:
      Use a mixbus to create a plus mix on top of the Main FOH mix. Send both the Main Mix (don't do any EQ on the Main mix) and the Plus mixbus to a stereo Matrix. This allows for a single engineer to mix FOH live and build a compensating mix that accounts for Drums and guitar amplifiers that may already be loud in the room.
      This is what I do on a Wing at my church with great results. On the Wing, I also have a room only mix that allows me to send more reverb into the room so reverb levels sound natural on both the stream and live. My outputs in the room are sourced from another set of matrix mixes. so I can route the main mix plus the other mixbuses where needed.
      If you have a dedicated stream engineer they can work with the FOH engineer to craft a solid mix from the Main mix and Mix plus mixbus with far less effort. The mix plus should be post-fader unless you want to be controlling faders all the time. It took me a few weeks of tweaking to get levels balanced but our stream now sounds as good or better than our house mix.

      Second option where you have a dedicated stream engineer:
      Link an X32 compact and share the inputs via AESS50. I've spent years mixing an X32 rack via iPad all over the world and I still prefer having a physical surface under my fingertips. If I'm mixing for a stream, I definitely want a physical control surface. The M32C would work, but you're SOL if the network connection drops for any reason.
      • Mon at 2:25 PM
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