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  • New
    RevPaThomas
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-26

    Hope you guys are well. I am having the weirdest issue with 1 of our DP48s. We are connecting them via HUB4.  For the most part, the system is work well.  We have 1-DP48 that is making a wierd digital noise.  It's only comes from 1 routed channel & that channel is not making that noise on the other 3 DP48 units.  Very strange.  Anyone else experience any weirdness like this?

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    • RevPaThomas
      Nigel67 Hi, this unit sounds faulty and needs repairing. Have you tried plugging it directly to the mixer to see if the problem still persists? If so, then I would say it is faulty. You could try re-upgrading the unit to see if that fixes the issue. It could be corrupt software. If it is under 30 days old, then you can go back to the store that you purchased it from and claim a replacement under DOA, or if over 30 days, please click on the Support Tab at the top of the page. In the new page that opens, scroll down and submit a Service ticket.
      • Jan 26
    • RevPaThomas
      GaryHiggins You might also try factory reset. To reset the DP48 to factory default. Select the Setup and SD Record buttons simultaneously. Then select the Reset. Set it up again like it was previously. Do they all have the most recent firmware? I think 1.9 from Dec 2020.
      • Jan 27
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    andyp13
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-12-31

    I have a DP48 for my IEM and the other guys in the band are using P16's. I also have the S16 in aes50-a. So for that reason my DP48 is connected to aes50-b.

    if I record a sound check the guys using the P16's can then adjust their personal mix without having to do any re-routing at the X32(rack). However, it seems that this can not be done for the DP48. As far as I am aware I would have to re-route to playback the soundcheck so I can adjust my IEM mix???? or am I mistaken, is there a way I can play back without having to re-route (and then having to re-route again to be able to use IEM for the actual live performance?

    please email me as I will probably never find this discussion again. (The most confusing forum ever designed).

    [email protected]

     

    thanks.

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    • andyp13
      GaryHiggins Andy, it might be easier if you posted your scene file. You can use dropbox or similar and post the link to your file here. Not really clear on what the routing issue is but you should be able to do what you wish. Off the top of my head you could include aes50 33-48 (by default unless changed is P16) as part of your DP48 mix and at least hear what they do. Something to experiment with anyway.
      • December 31, 2020
      • DP48 Playback for mixing IEM
        andyp13 Hi Gary, thanks for the reply and sorry if my post is a little confusing... all I was hoping to do was to do a soundcheck with the band and record it in my X32, then play it back as a virtual soundcheck to be able to get my inEar mix right, however it appears that if I wish to do this I have to go into the menus of the X32 and route some of the settings so I can play it back and hear it in the DP48, then put all the settings back ready to use it live....the guys using the P16’s don’t need to do that.....I got the DP48 as I wanted more channels but I think it will need to be returned as the last thing I want to do before a gig is to have to play about with the routing settings ? gutted.
        • December 31, 2020
      • DP48 Playback for mixing IEM
        GaryHiggins It seems as though maybe you need to setup your DP routing of aes50 ch’s such that you are able to listen to the same sources as the band is. IF they can hear the recordings ok with p16’s, you need to be able to hear the same sources they hear as a mix on the DP48. You shouldn’t have to re route to do that. P16 uses aes50 33-48 by default for the sources and at the chosen setup tap point. So include aes50 ch’s 33-48 as a mix or part of a mix, on the DP48. What do you use now on your DP48 to listen to? You should be able to save a setup and recall it on the DP pretty easily. Save your current live mix to use when playing out or once your mix is right for a certain gig/recording. If you can post your current scene it would be easier to see the issues and help without a lot of back and forth and maybe me not creating more mud than clarity. Paul V has a lot more experience with the DP48, maybe he can suggest a fix.
        • Jan 1
      • DP48 Playback for mixing IEM
        andyp13 Hi Gary thanks for the reply, I just came across your reply by accident on Google as I’m still trying to find out some info before I return the DP48, I didn’t get an email notification so had no idea I had a reply... - this forum is a joke, along with it being very slow, laggy and confusing... if you can help my email is [email protected] as the chances of me finding this thread again would be very very slim. I can use the DP48 to listen back to the P16 channels without having to do any re- routing for record and playback ..but as it only gives me 16 channels I may as well just keep my P16 or if I need more channels use an iPad....
        • Jan 1
      • DP48 Playback for mixing IEM
        GaryHiggins I didn't mean JUST those 16 ch's but making those ch's also part of your DP 48 mix. What ch's do you use now? Not sure why you would be listening to different sources or tap points than the band, but rather adding others that they can’t (because of their ch limit) yet still including their 16 with yours. Really seeing the specific scene and routing would help, it could be something completely different.
        • Jan 2
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    joshtew
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-26

    There is currently no way to assign a name to the saved preset slots(FW v1.9), from a management point of view this is a problem as musicians may not remember which slot they saved their preset to and slots will get used up pretty quickly and things get messy when musicians end up overwriting another's preset slot.

    Please do add in a feature to name the preset slots for easy identification, and to edit the name as well.

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    than8329
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-21

    Hi there! My name is Thanos and I'm a sound enginieer-designer and I'm using the midas DP48 personal monitor for three months now and I'm satisfied. The problem is that the musicians need the mute function sometimes because I'm changing the inputs from the midas DL32 stagebox or I'm changing the instruments. Everytime I warn them to turn off the master volume because the mute function does not exist. Is there something better than this??? Is it available a firmware update with the mute function???

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    • than8329
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Thanos, the mute function is on the wishlist. No ETA at this point.
      • December 21, 2020
    • than8329
      joshtew I am facing this problem too!

      With default routing method of direct out connections from channels to AES50, muting the channels on the mixer doesn't mute any of the personal monitors nor analogue outputs from Hub4. I have stage monitor speakers connected to Hub 4 analogue outputs and this is sending the pop from cable connection/disconnection straight through!

      Will be helpful to have the option of tapping from "IN/LC +M" tap point.

      Will a feasible workaround be to send the guitar channels through P16 segment tapped from channels at "IN/LC +M" tap point?
      • December 26, 2020
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        MichaelIvey Well Joshua another solution to this dilemma until it's an actual update from Midas would be to use a suggestion that resolved the issue "DP48 Playback for mixing IEM" used. What was suggested was making a LIVE A Snippet and a PLAYBACK B Snippet. The LIVE A Snippet can serve as the boards routing when Performing, Shows, and Recording. The PLAYBACK B Snippet could serve a dual purpose. Not only to route the card signals back thru AES50B for the DP48 but also since none of the LIVE A Input Channels are connected the board nor the speakers nor the IEMs will pass thru the "POP" because it's not routed.
        • Jan 4
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        joshtew I opted to go P16 route as we may need to mute these instruments mid programme and there is no need to re-train our many volunteers sound engineers on what to do when they need to mute the instruments.
        • Jan 29
    • than8329
      than8329 Do we have any progress about the DP48 mute function???
      • Mar 22
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        Paul_Vannatto The developers are aware of the mute request, but no ETA at this point.
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  • New
    GregWarren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-12-17

    Hello,

    I have 6 DP48s and have 2 Hub4s being shipped as we speak.

     

    My question, will I need 6 ethernet cables from the 2 Hub4s to each of the DP48s to power them (PoE) OR can you use 1 ethernet cable from the hub4 to the first one and then daisy chain them and get power to them without having to use the ac adapters?

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    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, if you want PoE, you will need 6 cables. The Thru AES50 jack on the DP48 does not supply the PoE, similar to the P16-M.
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      GregWarren Okay...thanks...now how do I setup the IEMs with the hub 4s? What ports on the back do I use?
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Looking at the back, from right to left are the ports outputs (1-4), mix A and B. Ports 1 and 2 mix A are XLR and the rest (port 1/2 mix B and all of port 3/4) are 1/4" TRS. You also need to enable each port output by pressing on the respective port button on the front panel (just below the Port 1-4 label).
      • December 17, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        GregWarren Ethercon shielded 5e or 6a?
        • December 18, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, shielded cat5e is getting harder to find here (in Canada). I have a mixure of shielded cat5e, cat6a and cat7. Anything that works between Behringer/Midas consoles and stageboxes should work with the Hub4 and DP48.
        • December 18, 2020
    • GregWarren
      MichaelIvey Hey Douglas. I feel your frustration as I did the same method you did and got the same results time after time after time. But here's what changed. Instead of saving the file in Excel where I created it I saved it to my Desktop. When given the option of the format to save it in I selected CSV UTF-8 (Comma delimited) (*.csv) again saving the file to my Desktop. Hope this works for you.
      • December 19, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto What has this to do with our discussion here about the Hub4 and DP48?
        • December 19, 2020
  • New
    Rastoff
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-02

    I'm completely new to the DP48 and having an issue that I can't figure out.

    To add names to the groups, I've created a single line .csv file, comman delimited, and imported the names. For some reason the name for group 1 is blank. I've tried creating the file in Excel and Notepad with the same results using each.

    For example, this is the file I created:
    Keys,Mic 1,Mic 2,Mic 3,Bass,Drums,HH 1,HH 2,Gtr 1,Gtr 2,Click,Pads

    When I import this, I see this on the screen:

                    HH 1
    Mic 1        HH 2
    Mic 2        Gtr 1
    Mic 3        Gtr 2
    Bass         Click
    Drums      Pads

    I can't figure out why "Keys" is blank.

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    • Rastoff
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Douglas, what DP48 firmware are you using? I just tried your csv line on a DP48 here (with firmware 1.8) and it loads the group names correctly (including the first name). I would suggest you update (or re-install) to 1.8 and try again.
      • December 2, 2020
      • DP48 Group Names?
        Rastoff Thanks Paul, but I loaded 1.8 last night and still have the same issue. I have 4 DP48s and have tried this on two of them. I will try a different SD card and see if that makes a difference.
        • December 2, 2020
    • Rastoff
      MichaelIvey Hey Douglas. I feel your frustration as I did the same method you did and got the same results time after time after time. But here's what changed. Instead of saving the file in Excel where I created it I saved it to my Desktop. When given the option of the format to save it in I selected CSV UTF-8 (Comma delimited) (*.csv) again saving the file to my Desktop. Hope this works for you
      • December 19, 2020
  • New
    elvis1979
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-03

    I have a question: Will it be possible to connect any devices other than DP48 and DL8 to the AES50 ports? E.g. DL153, SD8 ..... :)

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    • elvis1979
      GaryHiggins I would say yes, they are aes50 streams so as long as the stagebox is capable of 44/48k they should work just fine. The SD8 for sure and I think the DL153 can do 48k ok so it should be fine as well. The blue series Midas boxes that can do 48k will not daisy chain beyond their immediate connection, so you can't then piggy back from them like the S/SD16 etc. They would have to be the only device on that port but should still work.
      • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 That would be great. Couldn't someone try it, for example, with the DL15 stagebox ...? Whether it really works
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I would love to...but in the US they have not arrived yet! Unreal but quite true,....waiting for mine at Sweetwater....oh yeah and I don't own a 153 :-)
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        elvis1979 hm
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins As fate would have it. got notice today Wed 11/4) that the Hub4 has arrive3d in the US, should have one in a few days..
        • November 4, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 I have a question: Could this work?
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I don't see why not, one dl153 from each port...however that's 48 mic pre's and the M32 can only use a max of 38 IF you use aux remap, 32 otherwise-so you would need to pick and choose which ones you use.
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins Now looking at it more closely, I'm not sure the Hub can pass all ch's upstream like a stagebox. Guess someone who owns one will have to tell us! It still may but I am unsure.
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        elvis1979 Yes, that's why I put it here. Hoping that there is someone who has HUB4 and would be able to comment
        The manufacturer states that the ports are only used to power the DP48 and DL8, so is it really so? Could someone from the manufacturer comment
        • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      GaryHiggins From the web page it still sounds like it SHOULD work "4 PoE Ports for Personal Mixers or Compatible Stage Boxes, 48/44.1 kHz AES50 In and Through"
      • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 Rather, the question is whether this one port can stream more than 8 channels? Because if not, then it probably doesn't matter :(
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I think if only 8 ch's they would have said that....or not mentioned stageboxes at all. AES50 is 48 ch's. I think when they say compatible they mean NOT 96k. Someone else will chime in.
        • November 3, 2020
  • vmorgan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-14

    Hello,

    I've posted previously about having an issue with seeing the channel names broadcasted to the DP48 while using an SD8 with the Behringer X32 Compact. The community has helped with understanding the AES50 A & B streams. However, I still need help from the community to answer this question.

    Should the DP48 see the broadcasted channel names when connected to an SD series digital snake or should I be using the S or DL series digital snakes?

    What I've experienced is that the DP48 does not see the broadcasted channel name but does get the same channel setup and audio from the AES50 A side the snake box is setup on. When the DP48 is directly connected to a separate AES50 port on the mixer and NOT through the SD snake box, all the channel names are received including real-time name changes.  I've experienced this on the X32 Compact and WING mixers using the SD8 and SD16 stage boxes. 

    Tribal help is greatly appreciated.

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    • vmorgan
      GaryHiggins Did you try going to the DP48 first, and then on from the thru port to the SD? Just a thought, I sort of recall that being said way back when. Or use them on a separate aes50 line. I’ve only scratched the DP surface so others may have better info. Also what firmware for the DP? Lots fixed either the most recent one.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan No I haven't tried connecting the DP48 first and then coming off the B port of the DP48 to the SD16. The DP48 has been updated to v1.5.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Ok, you also use the setup within the X32? Firmware there is also the latest?
        • September 14, 2020
    • vmorgan
      vmorgan Yes the X32 had the latest firmware. Now using the Behringer Wing mixer with the most recently released update.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins My Wing is on its way to be repaired (ghost touches) so I can't try it out but it may be a bug you have found. How about just dedicating one port for only DP48 use? Again I recall that being suggested in another thread as a solution in past firmware...or it was in my dreams!
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Yeah I read that thread back in June/July. That's the plan, but it requires two long runs of Cat6 ethercon cable to be ran.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Paul V. may be able to help out, he has worked with the DP48's for quite a while now. He will know if its possible or not yet implemented. Yes the extra cat run can be problematic. I would try the DP48 as the first connection for sure, no harm no foul.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Confirmed, it works going to the DP48 first and then to the SD16. It's just odd that you can't see the names the other way around.
        • September 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      AndreasKormann Did you also update the firmware of the SD16? Because I had an issue with S16 on old firmware.
      • December 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Vijay, if you are not seeing the channels on the DP48 when having the stagebox placed in between the console and the DP48, you need to update the firmware of that stagebox (eg. SD16). There was a bug that was fixed in the latest firmware update.
      • December 15, 2020
  • vmorgan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-07-23

    Hello,

    We have an SD8 connected to an X32 Compact on AES50A port and then the DP48 connected to the AES50B port of the SD8.  On v1.3 the X32 saw that the DP48 was connected and we were able to select the channels for group assignments plus receive audio. We updated to v1.5 to use the broadcast group assignment that we set up using the Library > AES50 setup screen.

    SETUP:

    • X32 COMPACT CONNECTED TO SD8 ON AES50A
    • 1 DP48 CONNECTED TO SD8 AES50B PORT
    • SD8 AES50A INPUT = 17-24 OUTPUT = 9-16 (15/16 are L/R)
    • AES50 CONFIGURATION - AES B OUTPUT BANKS 
      • LOCAL 1-8; LOCAL 9-16
      • AES50A 17-24; AES50A 25-32
      • AUXIN 1-6/TB
      • P16 1-8

    We have the following issues after updating to v1.5 WITH DP48 connected through the SD8.

    1. The X32 does not see the DP48 connected to AES50B through the SD8. The X32 only sees the SD8 connected on AES50A

    2. We can manually assign channels to groups, however, the DP48 does not see any audio from any channel

    3. We cannot change the SETUP > REMOTE option from OFF to ON

    When we connect the DP48 directly to the X32's AES50B port all the above issues do not occur.  We went through loading older versions into the DP48 from 1.5, 1.4, to 1.3 and the issue still persists. Each time the DP48 was reset and initialized. At this point our DP48 is bricked when connected to the AES50B port on the SD8. Connecting it directly to the AES50B port on the X32 defeats the purpose of the unit unless we purchase another 100FT CAT6 shielded ethercon cable.

    NOTE: Prior to update we were able to receive audio on the DP48 when connected to the SD8. This included inputs on the SD8 as well as the X32 Compact.

     

    Any idea why we are having this issue? Your help is appreciated.

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    • vmorgan
      Paul_Vannatto Yup, you are assigning the desired outputs on AES50-B screen, when the SD8 and DP48 are connected to the AES50-A port...
      • July 23, 2020
    • vmorgan
      vmorgan Ok. I can understand that. However, even after erasing the settings I still do not see audio for an input channel that has audio coming through the mixer and/or the SD8. Also the REMOTE - ON option that allows the DP48 to receive the broadcast setting is locked at OFF and unchangeable.
      • July 23, 2020
      • DP48 and SD8 Connection Issue
        Paul_Vannatto Regarding the Remote ON, did you press the encoder? It is working fine here.

        Regarding the input channels not showing in Edit and Assign modes when DP48 is connected through the SD8, you are correct. It isn't working. I will report this to the developers.
        • July 23, 2020
      • DP48 and SD8 Connection Issue
        vmorgan Paul we're using the WING now with the SD8 and we are still connecting the DP48 through the SD8. This works as far as seeing the audio in the DP48 for each channel. However, we do not see the names for each channel. We've tried selecting SRC>>CH on the Routing page as well as Copy Customization on the Home screen of each individual channel. Is the SD8 the issue here?
        • September 1, 2020
  • kevonavitch
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-07-23

    Hi,

    I have a few MIDAS DP48s for the band members. Running them from X32/M32 mixers. Been able to import group names and manually program groups. But I have not been able to figure out how to use the Auto Assign by group or color features. Do you need a HUB4 to use this capability?

    Also, I found an AES50 Group name assignment feature in the Library section of the X32-Edit software. I can input the information there but don't know how to push it out to the DP48. Does it also require a HUB4 to allow this feature to work?

    Thanks!

    Kevin

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    • kevonavitch
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Kevin,

      Are you getting the channel names and colors in the DP48 via AES50? If so the auto assign by color should work (based on those channel colors). I haven't used that feature for over a year now.

      The AES50 section of the library should work (as long as you are using X32 firmware 4.02 and DP48 firmware 1.4). You need to put the DP48 in slave mode (in the Setup). Then in the AES50 library (of X32) select broadcast to A or B (depending on which AES50 port you are using for the DP48)
      • July 22, 2020
    • kevonavitch
      kevonavitch Thanks, Paul. I really appreciate the quick answer. I had firmware 4.01 on the M32C and the new 1.5 on the DP48. Update the first. My issue might have been that I forgot to turn on the internal clock on the M32C (usually it is slaved to the X32 as a monitor mixer). I was able to get it to both pick up the auto assign and the library broadcast features. Worked beautifully!

      I had another question about where to tap the signal but I'll start another thread to create a separate headline.
      • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Paul_Vannatto Ah yes, 4.01 had issues. Updating to 4.02 will help. Glad to hear you got it working. I'll watch for your other thread.
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        • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        kevonavitch Another thought came to mind. When I first tried it, it was from my X32. But I had the DP48 daisy-chained after our SD16 stage box. Does the stage box potential strip out the channel messages from the X32. I think I recall reading that the DP48 should be wired first (which seems risky). And if that is the necessary to allow the channel messages to reach the DP48, how much latency would each box add to the signal in the chain (we have 3)?

        Sorry for all the questions! I'm finding it hard to get clear answers online since the product is so new.
        • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        kevonavitch I'm back in the practice room testing. It seems the stage boxes are the problem. When I put the AES50 directly in to the DP48, the broadcast works. With my two SD16s in between, the message does not reach. I notice the latest DP48 firmware talks about allowing name commands to go through stage boxes (I have 1.5 installed). I suspect I may have to update the firmware for the SD16s. Will give that a try and report back.

        Thanks again for your help, Paul.
        • July 25, 2020
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