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  • 2020-09-16

    Can someone please enlighten me on the new talkback functionality of the Hub4 in connection with the DB48? 
    The "documentation" says that there should be a LED indication when "MIC-function" is used. So this leads to two questions: where should the light appear, and what does Mic-function use mean? When the MIC button of one of the connected DP48s is pressed and held, or only when it's pressed?

    Although I am a technician, I'm not sure if I read the routing sheet well: Where does the talkback signal go? Only to other connected DP48s (as channel 48 overwriting the channel 16 of P16) or also to the desk?

    Thanks in advance

    Andy from Austria

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    • Andreas Kormann
      Paul Vannatto Hi Andreas, not sure what the Mic-function LED is reference to. But here is how the new Talkback function works. When you press and hold the Mic button on one of the DP48 and talk into the built-in ambient mic (left one to be exact), it sends it out AES50 chan 48 to all other DP48 as well as back to the console (on AES50 chan 48).

      Regarding your comment about the P16, if on the console you assign the AES50 chan 48 to one of the P16 channels (either on the Ultranet screen or via the appropriate AES50 ch 33-48), it will be sent to the P16.
      • Sep 16
  • 2020-09-14

    Hello,

    I've posted previously about having an issue with seeing the channel names broadcasted to the DP48 while using an SD8 with the Behringer X32 Compact. The community has helped with understanding the AES50 A & B streams. However, I still need help from the community to answer this question.

    Should the DP48 see the broadcasted channel names when connected to an SD series digital snake or should I be using the S or DL series digital snakes?

    What I've experienced is that the DP48 does not see the broadcasted channel name but does get the same channel setup and audio from the AES50 A side the snake box is setup on. When the DP48 is directly connected to a separate AES50 port on the mixer and NOT through the SD snake box, all the channel names are received including real-time name changes.  I've experienced this on the X32 Compact and WING mixers using the SD8 and SD16 stage boxes. 

    Tribal help is greatly appreciated.

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    • VIJAY Morgan
      Gary Higgins Did you try going to the DP48 first, and then on from the thru port to the SD? Just a thought, I sort of recall that being said way back when. Or use them on a separate aes50 line. I’ve only scratched the DP surface so others may have better info. Also what firmware for the DP? Lots fixed either the most recent one.
      • Sep 14
      • A Journey with the DP48
        VIJAY Morgan No I haven't tried connecting the DP48 first and then coming off the B port of the DP48 to the SD16. The DP48 has been updated to v1.5.
        • Sep 14
      • A Journey with the DP48
        Gary Higgins Ok, you also use the setup within the X32? Firmware there is also the latest?
        • Sep 14
    • VIJAY Morgan
      VIJAY Morgan Yes the X32 had the latest firmware. Now using the Behringer Wing mixer with the most recently released update.
      • Sep 14
      • A Journey with the DP48
        Gary Higgins My Wing is on its way to be repaired (ghost touches) so I can't try it out but it may be a bug you have found. How about just dedicating one port for only DP48 use? Again I recall that being suggested in another thread as a solution in past firmware...or it was in my dreams!
        • Sep 14
      • A Journey with the DP48
        VIJAY Morgan Yeah I read that thread back in June/July. That's the plan, but it requires two long runs of Cat6 ethercon cable to be ran.
        • Sep 14
      • A Journey with the DP48
        Gary Higgins Paul V. may be able to help out, he has worked with the DP48's for quite a while now. He will know if its possible or not yet implemented. Yes the extra cat run can be problematic. I would try the DP48 as the first connection for sure, no harm no foul.
        • Sep 14
      • A Journey with the DP48
        VIJAY Morgan Confirmed, it works going to the DP48 first and then to the SD16. It's just odd that you can't see the names the other way around.
        • Sep 15
  • 2020-08-23

    I have connected my new P16-M via the Ethernet-Cable to one of the four ULTRANTE-Ports on the SD16 Stagebox. The P16-M worked fine (PoE) an I was able to here "something". When I tried to change the routing in the X-32  int P16  (or now utlranet) Side  nothing happen/changed.    I resettet the P16-M , but same Problem.  The I wired it directly to the X-32 (I had to use the wallplug of the P16-M becuase there was no PoE on the UTLRANET-Port of the X-32) everything works well.   Has anybody the same Problem?  Did I something wrong in the routing of the SD-16 ?   

    Thanks for any ideas. 

     

    Uli

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    • Ulrich Kämmerling
      Rex Beckett The Ultranet ports on the SD16 are defined by the AES50 routing 33-48. If this is set to Ultranet 1-16, the outputs will be the same as those set for the console (on the Ultranet tab).
      • Aug 23
      • P16-m not getting setup (Routing) form the X32-Rack over  SD16
        Ulrich Kämmerling Wow. THANK YOU, Rex! Made my day!
        • Aug 23
    • Ulrich Kämmerling
      Gary Higgins If you changed your aes50a out 33-48 assignments to something else besides P16 1-8 and P16 9-16 they will output differently than what is sent from the desk ultranet port. Default routing is what Rex showed you above and they should output the same things from both places when routed as shown. The ultranet menu defines sources, aes50 33-48 (in this case) sends those P16 sources to a the SD16. The SD16 (like almost every stagebox) is fixed/hardwired to output aes50 33-48 from its ultranet ports. Whatever sources are assigned to aes50 33-48 will be output there-but it's not restricted to only P16 sources, as you can see from above, there are lots of possibilities one might assign, easy enough to even set some by mistake.
      • Aug 23
  • 2020-07-25

    On my old Behringer P16Ms, I could assign signals from channels post EQ. With the DP48, when I'm assigning the channels using AES50, I am guessing I am tapping the raw signal from source probably after gain but pre effects. I figured I could still tap the 16 channels from Ultranet to get post-eq settings. And it looks like I can tap another 8 via the Aux Out assign (assuming I don't need the physical/digital outs).

    Does that mean I'm limited to tapping 24 channels post EQ? Or am I missing some optionality for routing signals post effects.

    Thanks!   

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    • Kevin Wright
      Gary Higgins Hi Kevin, you also have outputs 1-16, so its 38. 16,16 and 6 if dealing with an X/M32. It's a little worse with a Wing as you can only get post effects sends by using the "User" menu which is limited to 24 ch's
      • Jul 25
      • MIDAS DP48 - Tapping monitor signal post EQ
        Kevin Wright Thought I'd replied but I don't see it here.

        I hadn't thought of the Outs 1-16. Obvious oversight! Thanks for that, Gary. We're using 12 of the outs for monitors, matrix/crossover outs but that gives us another 4. Cheers!
        • Jul 25
  • 2020-07-23

    Hi,

    I have a few MIDAS DP48s for the band members. Running them from X32/M32 mixers. Been able to import group names and manually program groups. But I have not been able to figure out how to use the Auto Assign by group or color features. Do you need a HUB4 to use this capability?

    Also, I found an AES50 Group name assignment feature in the Library section of the X32-Edit software. I can input the information there but don't know how to push it out to the DP48. Does it also require a HUB4 to allow this feature to work?

    Thanks!

    Kevin

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    • Kevin Wright
      Paul Vannatto Hi Kevin,

      Are you getting the channel names and colors in the DP48 via AES50? If so the auto assign by color should work (based on those channel colors). I haven't used that feature for over a year now.

      The AES50 section of the library should work (as long as you are using X32 firmware 4.02 and DP48 firmware 1.4). You need to put the DP48 in slave mode (in the Setup). Then in the AES50 library (of X32) select broadcast to A or B (depending on which AES50 port you are using for the DP48)
      • Jul 22
    • Kevin Wright
      Kevin Wright Thanks, Paul. I really appreciate the quick answer. I had firmware 4.01 on the M32C and the new 1.5 on the DP48. Update the first. My issue might have been that I forgot to turn on the internal clock on the M32C (usually it is slaved to the X32 as a monitor mixer). I was able to get it to both pick up the auto assign and the library broadcast features. Worked beautifully!

      I had another question about where to tap the signal but I'll start another thread to create a separate headline.
      • Jul 24
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Paul Vannatto Ah yes, 4.01 had issues. Updating to 4.02 will help. Glad to hear you got it working. I'll watch for your other thread.
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        • Jul 24
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Kevin Wright Another thought came to mind. When I first tried it, it was from my X32. But I had the DP48 daisy-chained after our SD16 stage box. Does the stage box potential strip out the channel messages from the X32. I think I recall reading that the DP48 should be wired first (which seems risky). And if that is the necessary to allow the channel messages to reach the DP48, how much latency would each box add to the signal in the chain (we have 3)?

        Sorry for all the questions! I'm finding it hard to get clear answers online since the product is so new.
        • Jul 24
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Kevin Wright I'm back in the practice room testing. It seems the stage boxes are the problem. When I put the AES50 directly in to the DP48, the broadcast works. With my two SD16s in between, the message does not reach. I notice the latest DP48 firmware talks about allowing name commands to go through stage boxes (I have 1.5 installed). I suspect I may have to update the firmware for the SD16s. Will give that a try and report back.

        Thanks again for your help, Paul.
        • Jul 25
  • 2020-07-12
    I have a Midas Pro2c and my musicians use the new DP48. I want to be able to talk to my musicians dp48s. Suggestions on how to make that happen? We used to be able to do it through our line 6 in-ear packs.
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    • Brett Clark
      Paul Vannatto If you are using the latest DP48 firmware (1.4), you can use AES50 chan 48 (both directions) as talkback. At least we can with the X32/M32 and Wing.
      • Jul 12
    • Brett Clark
      Nigel Turner Hi Brett, the DP48 only works at 44.1 or 48K whereas the PRO2C is 96K. You would need a DN9650 with an AES50 card to downsample from 96 to 48K. The channel info (LCD scribble colour/name/icon) from Pro Series is not shared to DP48 via AES50.
      • Jul 13
    • Brett Clark
      Jesus Ramallo Unfortunately there is not a Pro version of the DP48 (A poor fix as Nigel wrote), a shame
      • Sep 10
  • 2020-07-07
    Dear friends of the tribes I'm using the DP48 as a headphone monitor mixer in the studio with the M32R and a DAW running on a stationary computer, no big issues, BUT I also do gigging and tracking in rehearsal rooms and live, and for that purpose, I made a nice portable rig, with the same studio quality, by using the DP48 as a mini mixer with a DL16 , a KT DN9630 and a macbook. The latter DN9630 and macbook when tracking. For live performances, I intended to use the SD card player of the DP48, which also is the mixer and I/O for FOH and monitor through the DL16. Now for every firmware update, Midas has managed to remove functionality, add new features and introduce new errors. All the struggles I've had with AES50 on this unit, is a separate story (upstream/downstream bugs, distortion, mandatory 8 ch AES50 out instead of the 4ch, now using up all the DL16's outputs etc.), but right now, with firmware 1.4 it seems as the AES50 A & B finally works as described, but now the SD card playback doesn't give any sound. It is recording and it's also playing back, but no sound. Output source A and B are selected and the volumes are up :-) Anybody tried this? I'm not able to play live with the SD card now, do I have to wait for firmware 1.5? It seems as Midas/Behringer don't do proper functional tests before firmware releases - do You remember the M32 fader speed thing :-) Any help most appreciated Best regards Niels
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    • Niels Engel
      David Knighton Hello YTS82Z. This has been reported and confirmed as an issue with 1.4 firmware. A fix is already on the way. I have reports that the issue is not present on earlier firmware, so you may be able to downgrade the firmware in the meantime while waiting for the new update.
      • Jul 9
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        Niels Engel Hi David. That's good news - Thank You.. As Nigel subsequently points out, it seems the problem will be solved within short, so I will wait for the official update. By the way, earlier fw revisions, e.g. version 1.3 also had its flaws, namely some issues in the AES50 streams when daisy chaining, which I do, so that ain't the way for me :-)
        Best regards
        Niels
        • Jul 10
    • Niels Engel
      Nigel Turner Hi YTS82Z, I have a Beta version with a fix in that has been tested and confirmed fixed. if you would like to try this I would be more than willing to e-mail it over if you are interested. It is a Beta version though but we would be interested to have someone external test it and see that all the bugs are fixed. Send me your e-mail address if you are interested. I am told that this Beta candidate should be ready for release Monday or Tuesday next week, so if you could hang on til then.
      • Jul 9
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        Niels Engel Hi Nigel. Thank You for fast reponse, it's most appreciated. Since I'm up for vacation next week, I will wait for the official update to be released. I will give You a feedback, when I've tried it out.
        Best regards
        Niels
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        • Jul 10
    • Niels Engel
      Josh Gibson Just saw that version 1.5 is up on the website and should fix this issue.
      • Jul 17
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        Niels Engel Hi Josh
        • Jul 18
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        Niels Engel Thank You I will try it out this weekend. Best regards Niels
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        • Jul 18
    • Niels Engel
      Niels Engel Hi all
      FW 1.5 is released, and it corrects the SD card playback issue. When I got the time, I'll check, that other functions remain okay as well. Thank You Midas/Nigel for fast action on this, it's most appreciated.
      Best regards
      Niels
      • Jul 22
  • 2020-07-07
    I own the Behringer K10S Audiophile Studio Subwoofer, and the on/off switch is located at the back and bottom rear of the unit. "Is it ok to just leave it on Vs. having to always have to bend over and manually pull the unit from under my desk to use it"?
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  • 2020-06-22
    Recently installed 6 DP48 with a Wing console for our church. Question is concerning storage of presets on the DP48. When you store a preset, does it store both the A and B mixes on the one storage slot? Is there a way to store A and B mixes independently? we are using the A mix for our stationary musicians and the B mix fed back to the Wing and routed out to wireless IEMs for the vocalists. The musicians are usually the same but the vocalists change from week to week and it would be great if they could save their mixes separately from the musicians. In regards to the 8 channels returned on the AES50. Does anyone know if anything is on 7 and 8? Channels 1 and 2 are the A mix. 3 and 4 are the B mix. 5 and 6 appear to be the ambient mics. Thanks for the help.
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    • Eric Austill
      Paul Vannatto Hi Eric, Yes both A and B mix are stored in the presets. Currently there is no way to separate the mixes. I had started developing a DP48 editor app last summer, but ran into a snag with the required checksum that has to be generated and added to the end of the file. When I get a chance, I'll try again to complete the app.

      Channels 7/8 are the Line In L/R
      • Jun 22
  • 2020-06-16
    Can a P1 IEM amp run off a 12V plugpack?
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    • Phil Moore
      Rex Beckett The P1 can run from a 9V 100mA centre-negative power supply. I would not connect a 12V supply.
      • Jun 16
    • Phil Moore
      Paulo Pereira Probably yes, but don't take my word for granted. Most of these circuits are based on op-amps and regulators that usually are rated up to 30 or so volts, but again, it's your risk. make sure you use a center negative plug, that's important.
      • Jul 2