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  • DavidC3Av
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-24

    Could someone pls advise about whether it is possible to connect Behringer P16 to DL153. We have MIDAS M32R and DL153 stage box. P16 works fine off the mixer desk M32 Ultranet port, but the DL153 manual is silent about whether the DL153 Ethernet Control can send Ultranet. Is this possible or are we going to have to run a separate RJ44/Cat5 cable from the M32 to the stage for Ultranet? If DL153 cannot run Ultranet, what is the cheapest alternative to running an additional Cat5 cable to provide Ultranet connectivity on stage? Thanks in advance, David. 

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    • DavidC3Av
      DaveMorrison

      Hi @DavidC3Av 


      No. Ultranet is neither AES50 or Ethernet. The DL153 doesn't have ultranet capability. The Midas DL 32 & 16 and Behringer S32, S16, SD16, SD8 all can do ultranet because they have the proper chipsets. Channels 33-48 on the AES50 bus are then routed by the stageboxes to the ultranet ports. Theoretically it might be possible to send signal to a SD8 and then daisy-chain to the DL153. Maybe someone on the forum has done it.

      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      DavidC3Av

      Thank you Dave, much appreciated. Looks like an elegant solution, and low enough cost to order and give it a shot next Sunday. Do you think it might be possible to daisy chain the SD8 after the DL153? Ie. even though DL153 doesn’t have Ultranet chipset that it is likely to faithfully pass on whatever protocol is happening on the AES50 for the SD8 to put out the Ultranet? Thanks again.

      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      GaryHiggins

      @DavidC3Av AFAIK you can't daisy chain any of the midas "blue" series stageboxes. The second aes50 port on those is redundant meaning if one fails the other will keep working when connected to a Midas Pro series mixer. It's not an in/thru type line. When using with the X32/M32 series mixers, it can be used on one aes50 port and nothing can be daisy chained beyond it on that line, In that regard they become somewhat limited. However your SD8/16/32's can be used on the other remaining X32 aes50  port and daisy chained normally up to the 48 ch limit.

      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      DavidC3Av @GaryHiggins thank you. Would inserting the SD8 before the DL153 on that AES50 work?
      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      GaryHiggins

      It may, I am not sure, I would wonder how/if the S/SD boxes can pass forward the ch's of the DL153 box properly to the mixer due to the ch shift they normally impose and implement with regard to each other. You might not achieve proper sync. I might guess no but it's just a guess. @ChaseMcKnight would be the guy here who would know for sure.


       


      @RexBeckettsorry did not see your post before writting my response...


       

      • August 24, 2019
  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-21

    We have an M32 AES50-B <-> X32 Core A <> X32 Core B <-> DL32 A

     

    Sync master is X32 Core

     

    We are not always getting sync on power up

     

    1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?

    2) Can they be arbitrarily power cycled (as long as the X32 core being the master is on)

     

    Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?

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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      We are not always getting sync on power up


      Anytime I get intermittent sync, it is usually due to a flakey AES50 cable.


      1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?


      I normally power up the master clock device first. But it seems to sync irrespective of the order.


      Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?


      I would suspect a cable.





       

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul


      We lost sync between X32Core+DL32.


      We powere cycled them both which fixed sync


      This caused M32+X32Core sync to be lost


      We reset M32, sync still lost


      We powered everything down then turned on X32Core+M32, waited for them to boot/sync, then turned on M32 and it worked finally.


       


      As per these steps, sync was lost on both cables at separate times


       


      If this is supposed to be robust on bootup at all times I'd suspect the X32 Core since sync was lost or not achieved on both AES ports of the X32 Core

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      By the way, we did not move or change any AES or other cables at all during this process.  Entirely related to reboots and the like.

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Sorry no edit feature. We are using high quality AES50 cables here for both cables. Odds they are problematic is extremely low, and odds that both happened to fail is even lower. Sorry no edit feature on these posts my bad

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Have you tried to change the master to the M32?


      Are the AES50 cables shielded with ethercons on each end?


      Have you tried re-aligning the RJ45 connectors inside the ethercon ends (by loosening the stress nut, plugging the end into a jack, wiggling slightly, then tightening the nut)?

      • August 21, 2019
  • Dionysos
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-20

    Hello Musictribe

    I've had the x32 and a XR18 for years with zero problems what so ever. Anyway; My brand new MR 18 died when I tried to route a recorded track back to the console in my DAW.

    It's simply dead now, no light anywere. I'm thinking it could be a fuse or something, but it has no fuse on the outside. Do you think my only option is to send it back (and wait for months) or can I check my fuse idea out without breaking the warrenty?

     

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    • Dionysos
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Kaj @Dionysos,


      Welcome to the forum. Before doing anything drastic like sending it back, have you tried plugging in your XR18 to the same power cord to make sure the cord, etc. is working? To be honest with you, I haven't opened up my MR18 (or XR18 for that matter) to see if there is a fuse inside. Both have been working flawlessly since I got them.


       

      • August 20, 2019
    • Dionysos
      Dionysos

      Hi Paul


      Yes, I've tried that. I geues it's just bad luck.


      It did, however, sound great the four days it was alive. I don't know if it was the better pre-amps, but it was really sweet, the fx came to life in a new way too. I will send it back - and hope to hear it again in 2019


      Thanks for your input

      • August 20, 2019
    • Dionysos
      KenMitchell

      If it's brand new, can't you just return it to where you bought it and get another one?  I'd expect that to be much quicker than trying to get it repaired under warranty. 


       


      Ken

      • August 20, 2019
  • djn111
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-16

    Hello,

    Does anyone have experience if the Waves X-WSG card works in a M32C ?

    DJN

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    • djn111
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @djn111 

      Yes, the X-WSG works the same in M32C as it does with the other M32 / X32 console versions. 

      • August 26, 2019
      • X-Wsg waves card in a M32C ?
        djn111 A bit slow, but thanx ! :-)
        • July 3, 2020
  • Alphasounds
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-12

    I would like to use the aes 3 stereo input of a active system to avoid multible conversion. I have also a DL32 and a M32 but the mr would be perfect for smaller stuff butit is  loosing the live in the play back. I have used a yellowteck aes converter but the latency of 6ms is round trip with logic is just to much. Is there any sollution maybe with ultranet ?

    Thank You.

    Thor

    Alphasounds.com

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    • Alphasounds
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @Alphasounds,


      The MR18 does not have AES input or output. Ultranet is a proprietary (Klark Teknik) one directional protocol that is designed to feed P16 and Ultranet capable speakers (eg. TurboSound iQ series). Also the M-Air (and X-Air) family of consoles were not designed for expansion. If you do need this, consider getting an X32 Rack and one of the AES capable stagebox (such as the DL16).


       

      • August 12, 2019
    • Alphasounds
      Alphasounds

      Thanks Paul. Sorry for the Spelling mistakes.


      The X air + DL 32 is just too ugly ...


      I muted the high mid out and use the subs, from aux 6 with another set of active tops with no DSP. The difference in latency is very little with a compressor plug in at the master.


      GreetingThor.


       

      • August 12, 2019
  • carminedi
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-10

    Hi guys,

    I am having som problems with the usb memoty stick.

    the desk doesn't see it, nor the offline editor.

    is there a special way to format it ? or what could the problem be ???

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    • carminedi
      garyh

      Wish I had a Pro9 to then have your issue!..so...Just guessing here but the size of the drive usually matters, probably less than 32 gig will work. If it were me I would try 16 gig or 8. Some drives just won’t work no matter what. Try formatting it Fat32 that is usually the format used. Some 32gig or larger drives may work if you can format them using fat 32. My best guess!

      • August 10, 2019
    • carminedi
      CARLOSPER

      Hi. If as Garyh says it has to be in FAT32.
      And I ask you, do you already have any scenes or Upgrades inside the USB memory?
      If you have to update the version. Create a folder with the name
      DL3Upgrades and inside place the file as it was downloaded.
      And insert the memory into the USB port with the blue LED on.
      You may have already done this.
      I hope it is useful.
      I remain at your service
      best regards
      Carlos M Perrone

      • August 10, 2019
  • nb3
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-08

    I’ve recently used a Pro2 and the Spectrum Analyzer on it is really nice. Just like the animation on it is super responsive and tight and because of that it’s more useful to me than any other spectrum analyzer I’ve used. I’m just using the default settings on it. Anybody know if there’s a way to get that same spectrum analyzer software as standalone software on your computer? Or better yet as a plug-in? I’m expecting that doesn’t exist, so this is more a request to Midas to make that a thing. I’m also wondering if anybody knows of a software spectrum analyzer that’s similar in its responsiveness and animation to Midas’s

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  • coreysound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-31

    Just saw on twitter Midas put the Tc Electronic vss4 in the Pro series. Think they'll add it to m32? 

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    • coreysound
      VincentPouly

      Hi,


      Not PRO Series, only ProX consoles.


      It seems it needs CPU ans Neutron can provide it, not PRO1/2/2C.


       

      • July 31, 2019
  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-29
    Ok, after returning our DN9630 to get a used X32 Core, we finally have the components we need to cover all scenarios. Scenario 1: M32 AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-A X32 Core AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-B M32 sync is internal X32 Core sync is AES50-A Scenario 1, the AES50 syncs are both green on the DL32. Sync on the DL32 was green in this case. Audio seemed to work ok. Outputs should default in this case to the M32 since it's on AES50-A (that's my understanding?). Scenario 2: M32 is powered down, DL32 is still on X32 Core AES50-A <-> DL32 AES50-B In this case, we were unable to get the DL32 AES50-B to sync green. Question: Will Scenario 2 work? We want to leave the M32 powered off, and be able to use the X32 Core AES50-A to the DL32 AES50-B.
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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:

      Question: Will Scenario 2 work? We want to leave the M32 powered off, and be able to use the X32 Core AES50-A to the DL32 AES50-B.



      No it will not work. The DL32 can only receive the wordclock from the AES50 A port. So if you turn off the M32 (with sync as internal - thus master clock), you will have to connect the X32 Core to the DL32 AES50 A port and turn on the sync (on X32 Core) to internal. Just remember that when you want scenario to switch it back (AES50 B and sync to AES50 A).


       


      If you don't want to hassle with changing sync and ports, a better way to set this up would be:


      M32 [B] <-> [A] X32 Core [B] <-> [A] DL32


      Make the X32 Core master clock (sync = Internal) and M32 as slave (sync = AES50 B)


      X32 Core Routing, AES50-a screen (DL32 inputs to M32)


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 B1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 B9-16


      * Outputs 17-24 -> AES50 B17-24


      * Outputs 25-32 -> AES50 B25-32


      X32 Core Routing, AES50-b screen (M32 outputs to DL32 outputs)


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 A1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 A9-16


       


      For scenario 2, if you want X32 Core outputs to go to the DL32, you will probably want to change the Routing, AES50-b screen to:


      * Outputs 1-8 -> Out 1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> Out 9-16


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul.  Would the proposed second setup introduce additional latency to the M32 since the audio is ostensibly now passing through the X32 Core?

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      Would the proposed second setup introduce additional latency to the M32 since the audio is ostensibly now passing through the X32 Core?





      If I remember correctly the AES50 latency is 0.9ms. So if you are traveling the speed of light, I guess that would be significant. 


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      I wonder exactly how they would add up.  Maybe it's 0.9ms per stage and side, so M32->X32Core->DL32->X32Core->M32 might introduce 4 * 0.9ms = 3.6ms round trip.

      • July 29, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Well all I can say is that of all of the many users I've helped (over the 6+ years) with similar scenarios (console <> console <> stagebox <> stagebox), I've yet to hear from one that complained about latency issues.

      • July 29, 2019
  • ACE
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-24

    I first loved my X32 and now i fell in Love with my M32 Live but.......

    please, will there ever be a chance to load reverbs or the Combinator to the right side of the

    FX Rack?

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    • ACE
      RichardYClark

      No for either the X or M 32 I'm afraid. many of the FX that are in the left hand side are very processor intensive and the mixers don't have enough processing power to make all the effects work in all eight FX slots. You can only have the simpler FX in the right hand four slots.

      • July 24, 2019
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