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  • henrik
    Contributor - Level 2
    2010-02-19
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  • ilx
    Contributor - Level 1
    2010-02-18
    hi guys/gals! can anyone tell me what the frequency response of the rh450 is? is it 20hz-20khz??
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  • JayGarrett
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-10-30
    Hey all!

    I've been looking at making my rig lighter (especially as I now have no car - living in central London).

    At the mo I have a Hartke rig (HA2000 and Sansamp RBI in rack, 4x10 and 2x15 Transporter cabs) and have been checking out the likes of the Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 210T and the Mark Bass gear and then spotted the gorgeous TC Combo 450.

    Now - I realise that this may be a biased place to pose this question but if you were in the market for a portable rig that could handle pop all the way through to post-punk/post-grunge rock would you go for the TC, GB or MB?

    Please - help with this dilemma

    J
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    • JayGarrett
      JayGarrett Well...... after chatting with some helpful bass centres, in particular Bass Direct (http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Home.html) I have narrowed the search to the Genz Benz 6.0 Stuttle 210 and the Combo450......



      Any views and/or suggestions?





      J
      • November 1, 2009
    • JayGarrett
      Sean Hey Jay



      I'm having similar thoughts at the moment as my rig is a bit bulky for some of the gigs we do and it also means an extra car (or that I can't fit in the van with my gear). A smallish combo especially with built in compressor and tuner gives me a very tidy solution if I scale down to one bass and stash all my leads and bits in my gig bag. The 450 has got a very small footprint too so is



      Another thing to consider is the Barefaced Midget cab here - these are fantastic from the limited experience I have of them. When I first came into contact with Barefaced and tried them I was instantly a it gutted about my Bergantinos which are twice the price and though light are a long way off the ridiculous lightweight of the Midget and the mightily impressive Compact.



      Combining an RH450 head with a Barefaced Midget comes in at a similar price to the Combo450 but at exactly half the weight (9kg + 4 kg Vs 26 kg for the combo).



      A Markbass F1 (£599) + Midget comes in at around a £Grand and weighs a total of 11.1 kg. The F1 is so small it slips in your gigbag no problem I've used an F1 with my Spector NS5 and it's absolutely stonking - a mightily impressive amp that made me wonder why I went for a MB 2-channel LMK!



      It's an amazing time for lightweight rigs and the choice is vast. I'm currently leaning toward a Midget + RH450 as it'll be a backup, small (or far away) venue and home rig for me and saving that extra bulk of the Combo450 is hugely important. With this set up I can have my bass gig bag in one hand and the cab in the other.



      By the way, I got 2 Berg cabs and an MB LMK head from Mark at Bass Direct and he's a top bloke - he's so far away from a pushy salesman it's difficult to get your head around it. I'm the sort of guy that only goes somewhere to buy - no time for window shopping - and was amazed at his surprise when I said, Yep, I'll have the lot, let's get it in the car. I'll definitely buy there again.
      • November 2, 2009
    • JayGarrett
      JayGarrett Thanks for the link Sean!



      Those Barefaced cabs do read impressively - I can't believe the amount of lightweight stuff cropping up! Can only be a good thing for us lot really.



      It was really Bass Direct that managed to narrow my focus to the TC and GB.



      They've not pushed me in any particular direction but did say that the MB was lacking in punch compared with the GB and TC.



      To be honest, as well as the gigging in a variety of different sized venues and the getting around London thing - I'm also tired of busting my ass every time I need to fill the room with bass.



      I can feel a purchase happening pretty soon................
      • November 2, 2009
    • JayGarrett
      JayGarrett I thought I'd post a quick update just in case people are reading.



      I've pretty much decided that I'm going to buy TC Electronic.



      I think I'm going the RH450, RS210 and floor controller route.



      My rationale is that I can expand it should I need to with another 210 or a 212 or even one of those natty new 112s.



      The weight can be spread when walking to the venue/studio with the head in the carry bag or even my bass gig-bag whilst I manhandle the cab - or I could even buy a cheap trolley.



      The foot controller isn't really a necessity but being able to stomp on a single unit to bring some overdrive from a preset as well as having presets for finger and plectrum styles when I'm with my post punk indie rock outfit or presets for 5 string fretted and my jazz fretless when I'm out with my power pop band would be real handy



      Now. Question.



      Anyone dealt with Bonners Music Superstore?



      http://www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/brand/TC_Electronic



      I've noticed that their prices are pretty good as well as them offering credit. They even do a 0% buy now pay in 6 months deal - so, for that rig I just need to squirrel away a coupla hundred notes a month instead of slamming down over a grand in one go.



      They also do 24 and 36 months with interest.



      I might even try and get their online prices lowered - you never know. Don't ask - don't get!



      Oh - I'm selling my rack gear (SansAmp RBI, Hartke HA2000 and my dB Tech inner ear monitoring system) to help fund this.



      Check out: http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/idleparis/



      Getting closer my friends............



      J
      • November 13, 2009
    • JayGarrett
      Sean Good news, Jay! Try posting at www.basschat.co.uk to shift your gear and to get any advice on Bonners.
      • November 13, 2009
  • berth
    Contributor - Level 1
    2009-11-10
    Hi,

    I miss a "TC effects used with bass" forum so I miss-use this forum.

    I am a Bassplayer and I wanted a G-force for very long and have just bought one and am a little disappointed. Chorus, Flanging and to my surprise filtering are very good (best heard ever for chorus and flanger). But the delay time is on the short side and pitchshifting is hardly usable at all. I had intented to sell my Boss GT10B to partly finance the G-Force, but I'm not sure if that's what I should do anymore. PitchShifting is waaay better with the Boss.

    How is this with the other TC Electronic effects available? Should I sell the G-Force and wait till TC makes an effect unit dedicated to bass? (Will they ever?) Are any of the other TC effects better suited for bass?


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    • berth
      rune Hi, there are certainly some of our effects that are great for bass. However, the thing is that our pitch shifting algorithms are designed to detect the pitch of the incoming signal (for intelligent pitch etc.). Since the G-Force is not designed for bass, it simply isn't capable of detecting the pitch correctly. Whether the delay time is too short is of course a matter of opinion.

      If we ignore the pitch shifting for a second, we do like to emphasize the fact that our guitar products also work great with bass. Check out these videos:



      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ywBqwPjYGM

      and

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi7zJxcqbZM
      • November 10, 2009
    • berth
      Zetmor What would be great would be a digital multi-effects box (stacked below a RH450) with an AES/EBU input (like Line6 does already). With AES/EBU output (for those recording digitally) + analog double DI (both MONO with same signal, or stereo LEFT & RIGHT).

      The remote control would have 2 connectors: one going to the fx-box, the other one the RH450, so that we can control both the fx-box and the amplifier presets from the same pedal.

      It would have a small set of very good effects (not a bunch of poor effects like Line6), and a very basic but effective remote control: expression pedal, 4 foot buttons with 3 user modes (mode set in the fx-box = or direct effects on/off with a light, or +1/-1 bank +10/-10 preset selection to choose from 99 presets, or a direct preset selection from a set of 4) ; simple display = just the fx preset & RH450 tuner.

      *That* would be really great.



      (even better if it can be fully controlled from midi, so that effects change can be done from the Live DAW automatically)
      • December 29, 2009
    • berth
      newbold

      [email protected] wrote:

      If we ignore the pitch shifting for a second, we do like to emphasize the fact that our guitar products also work great with bass. Check out these videos:


      While I understand you represent the company and it has some fine offerings, Ignoring that point for any time at all is an insult to the subject matter of this thread.



      Yes everything else works well with bass, but why buy a high end effects unit if it doesn't track flawlessly, and the other competition has it beat in both pitch shifting AND include phrase samplers??



      IMO the Nova system and the g natural (yes the g-force is a rack unit I understand that...but when there's competition for less with more (line 6 m9/m13 and boss GT10/b), sounds comparable, and is on the floor this counts) fall short of 2 great effects units for no good reason.



      I am waiting for TC to have a floor-friendly multieffect that can handle the low end of a keyboard, bass, acoustic guitar (baritone or otherwise), and has phrase sampling.



      The nova system should have been able to stave me off buying boutique stompboxes.



      When it comes time for a rig overhaul I should be able to have my bass in a bag, a Nova over one shoulder, a RH450 or staccato '51 in the other and a small cab in each hand.



      One trip in, huge sound, all I could need for the gig to let me help the drummer with his kit and the percussionist with her bongos.
      • January 2, 2010
    • berth
      newbold I would think that the Nova Dynamics would be perfect in the bass world.



      Anybody else?
      • January 19, 2010
  • Musicman20
    Contributor - Level 2
    2010-01-10
    Hey

    Im looking for advice regarding which TC cabs I should pair with the RH450.

    I was going to go for 2 x RS210, but it seems the RS210 + RS212 is very popular.

    I play mainly rock, a little finger funk, and punk. It depends what band I am playing in

    What would you recommend? Is the RS212 still quite easy to move around?

    What is the official weights on these cabinets? Ive seen a few different specs with the UK dealers.

    I have tested the RS210 + 212 and it was fantastic...I just wanted to know if its a good choice.

    Thanks
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  • cheopsnet
    Contributor - Level 2
    2010-01-05
    Hi,

    I own a bass but no amp (no cab, no head). I am thinking about just getting the RH450 head (without any cab) and using the headphones to practice with/without Ipod.

    I was told by a guitar store guy that, even if you want to use the RH450 with headphones, you need to connect the head to a cab (even if you do not use the cab). Is it true? Or can I just connect the bass to the head and the head to headphones (without owning any cab)?

    The manual is not clear on that.

    Thanks

    Cheops ([email protected])
    My guitar/bass rig: http://steinwayguitars.blogspot.com/
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    • cheopsnet
      rune You do not need to connect the RH450 to a cab. It can easily be used as a practice amp with headphones. No problem.
      • January 5, 2010
  • JayGarrett
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-12-17
    Hey all!

    I've finally taken delivery of my rig.

    As you may have read in the Combo - to buy or not to buy thread I ended up opting for the seperates.

    And thanks to the advice of BASSically I bought a cheap (£8.99) folding luggage trolley that the RS210 fits onto nicely

    The RH450 came almost a week later than the rest of the gear as there was a delay at TC Electronic - guessing that these amps are getting more popular by the day

    I have the case for the cab to protect it thankfully - I had a flightcased amp on top of it for one gig and it left some marks - but there's soon to be a new cab coating apparently.

    I'm still playing with settings but I'm certain I'm going to enjoy gigging this little rig and, as I've also bought the amp/pedal carry bag, getting this set-up to the shows shouldn't be a problem.

    Have TC will travel!!









    J
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    • JayGarrett
      JayGarrett This amp and cab is possibly the best investment I've made in a long time!
      • December 18, 2009
    • JayGarrett
      Musicman20 + 1, I am another basschat member! Great amp.



      I think the TC stuff is selling really well. I asked for a new sealed amp, pedal and bag and it took a little wait but well worth it.



      The store said its their current best selling line!
      • December 21, 2009
    • JayGarrett
      Musicman20 Oh, and I think TC have priced it all very well. The amp is a little more than most, but so well designed with so many features its well worth it. The bag is very well made, and a very good price, unlike other manufacturers I wont mention here.



      The cabs are also great prices.
      • December 21, 2009
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  • Krakmann
    Contributor - Level 1
    2009-10-26
    Salud!

    I own the "happy family" (450, 212, 210, pedalboard) and I've just seen the Combo450 video. Will TC sell the Combo handle/wheels as an option to attach/screw to the older cabs? My vote is a resounding YES. Please, please, please...
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    • Krakmann
      JayGarrett I would hope they'd supply replacement trollies or at least the wheels........



      I am being tempted by the Combo450 - quite a lot
      • November 1, 2009
    • Krakmann
      Zetmor Good idea. I would buy one.
      • December 29, 2009
    • Krakmann
      JayGarrett I opted for the separate RH450 amp and RS210 cab - I've written why in another thread
      • December 30, 2009
  • ursus
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-12-25
    Yesterday I ordered the RH amp. I tried the Classic amp in a store, I think it is the same amp as the RH 450.

    Have you guys some suggestions on settings that will fit my Berg AE410. Do you think I have to alter the standard amp settings to have a "wider" sound. I have been playing with a EBS TD 650 for a while, basses are Sandberg Umbo, Fodera Emperor and Wal MKII all 5-stringers.
    Thanks
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    • ursus
      Musicman20 Hey there



      I would check Talkbass, unless you already have! I know Klung (think thats his name) has an AE410 and uses it with this amp.



      IMO, you got the best amp of the new TC range. The Classic has the same tone, and some features, but does not have all the other amazing extra features that makes the RH450 sooo good. You also can tweak your sound a LOT more with the RH450.



      I tested a passive Lakland JO5 through the store amp with the RS210 and RS212. It sounded FANTASTIC....



      I myself use a Berg HS410, and Im thinking of possibly, possibly selling to get the 2x10 and 2x12 RS cabs. I'd like to keep it and buy the cabs as well though....but who knows.
      • December 28, 2009
  • Musicman20
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-12-03
    Hey guys

    I have returned my GB Shuttle 9.0 for various reasons, and I am upgrading to the TC Elec RH450, the RC4 and the RH450 gig bag.

    I have watched all the videos and I am very excited.

    Does anyone have any tips they want to share with me?

    What are peoples views of the RS cabinets so far?

    Thanks
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    • Musicman20
      JayGarrett Well I'm waiting for TC to get my RH450 to Bonners but I've already taken delivery of the RS210.



      It sounds and looks great. The HF dial at the back does make a subtle difference to the sound.



      I've tried it with a Peavy Pro500 and it gigged well in a post punk band and I had no problems monitoring myself with it.



      I just can't wait for the RH450 so I can use it and the pedal with the cab



      The other good thing about the RS210 is that it fits on a folding luggage trolley and as I get to my gigs using public transport I will be able to shove the amp and pedal in the TC carry bag, cover the cab and drag it around on the trolley. Genius!



      Apparently there's a new cab coating on its way so if you dont like the current one hang on a bit



      J
      • December 13, 2009
    • Musicman20
    • Musicman20
      Musicman20 I picked up my RH450 this weekend. I also had the pleasure of testing the shop floor RH450, Staccato and the RS210/RS212.



      Firstly, I must admit, I did not know what to expect from these amps and cabs....apart from the fact I had heard good reviews, and watched the recordings TC has made. I had also had a very brief play on an RH450 + RS210 some time ago. This was not ideal, as the setting were way off and the preset volume had been turned right down.



      On Sunday, I went to my normal store, Bass Merchant in Colchester. They did a very good deal on the bag, pedal and amp.



      So, I figured I may as well test their shop floor versions as well.



      I was completely unprepared for how huge and brilliant this amp sounds, (RH450). I actually had a huge smile on my face! I usually play 4 string, but I tested it with a Lakland JO5, and the B....wow....I have never heard a B cut like that. It was precise, fat, and immense. I also added a little tube tone....and then I was more impressed. The tone was nice and gritty. It was also incredibly loud.



      I am very impressed with the amps sounds. I have yet to open mine and start fiddling, but even the boxes look cool! I am now considering adding thw RS210 and 212 to my cab collection, once they make the new finish.



      Thanks TC...this amp is fantastic and I hope to get your cabs soon.



      I had a quick test with the Staccato on the same settings, and it was so massive in the lows. If you like a tight fat fingerstyle the Staccato may be for you! But, the RH was for me.



      PS - I was also very very shocked with how bloomin loud this amp is. At 4 ohms, with 2 cabs, the amp was shaking the shop at about 10 o'clock!



      Cheers
      • December 21, 2009
    • Musicman20
      JayGarrett Dude - welcome to the world of TC!



      I aint stopped grinning thanks to my RH450 and RS210



      J
      • December 21, 2009
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