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    schilcur2112
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-19

    While I'm not a newbie, I'm not an expert either, and I'm having difficulty getting simple reverb on a vocal channel, either via inserting into the channel, or send/return. I have the Hall Reverb set up in the FX1 slot. Sending channel 1 (vocal) to FX1, and FX1 is sending signal to the Main. The meters display indicates everything is getting/sending signal, yet I don't hear any reverb in either headphones or main signal routed through amp and speaker. Same issue if I try to insert reverb into channel 1.....no reverb. I have a feeling there is a button somewhere that isn't pushed or set right.

    I'm using the Xair app on the Ipad to run an XR 16 mixer. Have looked at all the pertinent YT videos and am not having any success. On a separate rant, the app illustrated on the YT videos does not resemble the app I'm currently using. Would love to see something on YT using the current XAir app.

    Thanks for the help.

    Curt

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    • schilcur2112
      schilcur2112 Ok, an little update after messing it more this morning. I was able to get reverb by inserting Effect 1 (or any of the others) into the Main channel. While I'm happy to actually get any reverb, inserting it into the mains is not the way to do it. However, bolstered by this success I went back to Channel 1 and inserted Effect 1 and......nothing. But, when I inserted effect 2 (3 and 4), they worked. I went back and edited effect 1 to be identical to effect 2 and I still get nothing when inserting effect 1, which makes absolutely no sense, unless something, somewhere, in effect 1 channel settings is set wrong. Still, I can't get send/return method to work with any of the effect returns (1 thru 4). Pic below captures the meters page showing signal supposedly going to all the right places.
      • Tue at 7:43 AM
    • schilcur2112
      Paul_Vannatto Goto the FX screen where you can see the 4 FX slots. What FX is assigned to slot 1? Is the Insert button selected? From what you describe, in all likelihood, the Insert button is selected and the inputs are assigned as an insert to something you are not using. If you want it to be a sends/return (sidechain), change the input assignment to Off.

      If you want reverb, you want it as a sidechain (sends to FX1 and returned to FX1L/FX1R) since reverbs do not have a wet/dry mix adjustment. Setting a reverb as an insert will only give you 100% reverb output, which you don't want.
      • Tue at 8:10 AM
    • schilcur2112
      schilcur2112

      Paul V, appreciate the suggestion. I'm pretty sure I tried turning off all the insert buttons, but I'll go back and verify. Will update after I give it a try. Thanks.

      • Tue at 11:46 AM
    • schilcur2112
      schilcur2112 ok, partial success. Turned off insert everywhere....on the effects themselves, and in the individual channels. Sending channel one signal to effect 1 (vintage reverb), increase fader on effect 1, and I get reverb. Perfect! Try to set up the exact same thing for channel two/effect two and channel 3/effect three and I get no reverb. If I send channel 2 or 3 to effect 1, I get reverb. This is the kind of thing that aggravates me.....do exactly the same thing and get a different result. Is it possible that effects 2 and 3 are routed differently? When routing ch2/eff2 and ch3/eff3 I can see in the effects window that both eff2 and eff3 are getting and outputting signal, same as ch1/eff1 when I do hear reverb.
      • Tue at 1:31 PM
    • schilcur2112
      Paul_Vannatto Are the FX2L/2R and FX3L/3R return channel strips muted or faders all the way down? What about the FX2 and FX3 buses (sends) - are they muted or faders all the way down? Also check the FX2L/FX2R and FX3L/FX3R LR is enabled (on the Main screen).
      • Tue at 2:38 PM
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    DanielThompson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-19

    I think I understand when routing inputs to the Card, it sends the inputs "after the preamp". But what does that mean? Is gain part of the preamp? EQ? Any Dynamics or Gating? Not the raw input, correct? Certainly not the fader, mute, solo controls, as those are after the preamp and are parts of the input channel, correct?

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    • DanielThompson
      Nigel67 Hi DanielThompson. 'After the preamp' means that the signal is taken straight after the analogue mic amp gain stage, whether it is the mic amp from an IO box or the mic amps from the XLRs built into the rear of the console (Local Inputs).
      • Tue at 10:39 PM
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    DanielThompson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-18

    If, on the Card Tab, I map the Local 1-8 to the USB card, is that sending the raw XLR Inputs 1-8 to the USB? Or is it sending the outputs of Input Channels 1-8, and if so is it post fader, or post EQ? Also, why are inputs 17-24 not assignable to the Card Output?

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    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto Assigning Local to the Card screen assigns signals directly after the physical XLR input preamps.

      Regarding your second question ("why are inputs 17-24 not assignable to the Card Output?"), are you by chance trying to setup routing using the iPad app? If so don't. That app is designed as a mixing app and is not the best for doing complex routing and setup. I always use the X32-Edit app (for Mac, Windows, linux or Raspberry Pi) to do any setup (routing, etc.).
      • Mon at 4:49 PM
      • X32 Card Output - so confusing
        DanielThompson RIght, not using an iPad app.

        So if we assign the inputs to the card that way we're bypassing the input channels (faders) correct? Which would explain why, when we muted the input channels we still got signal through the card. There are too many things called "input", it gets confusing.

        So, I guess we cannot use 17-24 to the card then. Our original plan was to have the physical XLR inputs assigned to input channels 17-24 and 1-8, Then we were going to assign inputs 17-24 to the card and 1-8 to the main LR out, giving us one set of faders to the mains and one set to the card. We had to flip that around and put 17-24 to the mains now and 1-8 go to the card because the card won't take 17-24. But if you're saying the input channel is bypassed going to the card then it doesn't matter.
        • Mon at 6:31 PM
    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto I would suggest that in your thinking, from a routing perspective, separate physical inputs (Local, AES50, Card) from channel strip processing. If you want the physical inputs to go to the card outputs, then select the Local, AES50, etc). If you want channel strip processing to go to the card outputs, then you have to use one of the staging (patching) screens (Out 1-16, Aux Out, Ultranet) to assign the DirOut Ch and change the taps (eg. pre EQ, post EQ, etc.) as desired. Then assign that bank of 8 to the card outputs.

      I'm not sure why you are saying you "cannot use 17-24 to the card" - 17-24 what?
      • Mon at 7:02 PM
    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Daniel, unfortunately you replied to the notification, rather than the main thread, which sends the the reply to a parallel universe. I sent you a PM (personal message - mail icon top right corner).
      • Tue at 7:24 AM
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    DanielThompson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-18

    We're really struggling to understand the X32. Some basic questions that might help us? Honestly, we've read the manual several times.

    1) What is a Local In? The same as an XLR Input? Or is it an Input Channel? And why are some of them in brackets?

    2) What are Analog Outputs? There only seem to be eight available?

    3) What is an XLR? (I mean, I know what an XLR is outside of the context of this device.) They appear to be outputs, but then it looks like they need a patch to make them outputs?

    There are just some basic concepts that we're confused about. Like, something must be mapping the XLR Ins to an Input Channel, and something in mapping the Input Channel to an Output, and something is mapping an Output the the L&R fader, and something is mapping that to an XLR out. And then if there are only 8 outputs and two of them are used for the L&R how do you get more than 6 channels over to the USB Card?


     

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    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Daniel, assuming by your description that you have a Compact, Producer or Rack - correct? And by your questions, they are referring to the routing screens - correct? If so to both, here are the answers.

      1) Local refers to the XLR-F (female) input jacks on the back of the console (2 rows of 8).
      2) The Analog Outputs screen is actually a staging (patching) screen (of virtual outputs) that is used to make up banks of 4 or 8 for the other physical output screens (eg. AES50, Card, XLR). Please ignore the mention about outputs not available (it refers to the fact that the console only has 8 physical XLR outputs - IMO that reference only confuses newcomers). All of these outputs are available to make up the banks of 4/8.
      3) The XLR screen is where you assign signals to the physical XLR-M (male) outputs on the back of the console. Since they are assigned in banks of 4, they need to be first individually assigned on the Analog Output, Aux Out or Ultranet (also called P16) screens.

      For the inputs, they first have to be assigned (in banks of 8) on the Inputs screen. Then on each of the channel strips, config screen, individual inputs are assigned.

      Your last paragraph describe many confusing parts to the routing concepts.
      * The Inputs and User In are the only input screens. All others are output screens.
      * Inputs, AES50 and Card assigns in banks of 8. XLR Out assigns in banks of 4.
      * Analog Outputs (also called Out 1-16), Aux Out, Ultranet (also called P16) and User Out assigns individual outputs to make up banks of 4/8.
      * AES50 assigns outputs to the AES50 A and B port (6 banks of 8)
      * Card assigns outputs to the card in the back of the console (typically the X-USB card that provides USB to a computer)
      * XLR Out assigns outputs to the physical XLR-M jacks on the back of the console (banks of 4)
      * Aux Out assigns outputs to the physical 1/4" jacks on the back of the console (individual outputs)
      * Ultranet (or P16) assigns outputs to the Ultranet port on the back of the console (individual outputs)

      Hope that helps
      • Mon at 4:41 PM
      • X32 Basic Questions
        DanielThompson Better. Once I get back with the mixing team we'll see if the light turns on.
        • Mon at 6:51 PM
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    JAS3712
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-17

    After using the Flow 8 for a while I am ready for a Flow 12 or 16! Hope either of those are being developed. And hope they have NDI (Network Device Interface) support over Ethernet or Wi-Fi 6E or both!

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    BobbySadler
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-12

    Hello.. I believe I have the latest preset library from Behringer.. but I am wondering if the community has a preset library.. there are folks out there like Drew who will sell you his presets.. but as a community I'm thinking there may be a place we can go to share our presets.. does anything like that exist? in particular I'm hoping to find some presets for various MixBus subgroups. Thanks in advance! ~Bobby

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    • BobbySadler
      whamil Hello, No one else has said anything, and I don't know of any. I don't think this is what you are looking for, but I'd share the basic scenes I use for shows and festivals, that have presets for eq's and compressors, which I use a lot. I'll attach a zip file, if I can, which has a readme.txt in it.
      • Oct 17
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    GeorgeDougherty
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-17

    Would love to see an adjustable slope on the parametric EQ.  6/12/24 would be good.

    Additionally, maybe relocating that enable/disable from the Settings page to somewhere on the EQ interface.  Possibly using a width adjustment knob.

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    • GeorgeDougherty
      Paul_Vannatto Hey George, if you select a bus, matrix or main EQ, then the Settings (screen top), there are options for the various slopes. For the channel EQ only shelf and parametric options are available.
      • Oct 17
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    daveh13
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-09

    Hi,

    When tweaking the gain of an analog input, I usually aim the -18 to -12dB area to keep some headroom,
    and usually, no clipping ever occurs.

    But I have a strange thing for the digital inputs, coming from the X-USB card and from my DAW.

    The output of my DAW is by definition limited to 0dB, and I even put a limiter to -0.3dB, so that no sample ever touch 0dB, and that no digital clipping ever occurs.

    So when I connect the digital DAW output to a X32 channel, even with a 0dB gain, there should be no digital clipping.

    It's not the case !

    I even have to lower gain on the X-USB input to -16dB to avoid clipping. And in this case, as we can expect, I see the vumeter staying largely under -16dB (should be precisely -16.3dB).

    So I wonder why the X32 points out some clipping. Is this clipping LED really a digital clipping detection ?
    Or is it some kind of prediction algorithm that prevents intersample peaks ?

    I understand there could be a predictive algorithm for analog inputs,
    but, when everything stays in the digital word, clipping is very simple to detect.
    And -16dB to avoid intersample clipping seems huge...

    What do you think about it ?  An idea ? Should I forget this clipping light on true digital inputs ?

    Have a nice day.

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    • daveh13
      Nigel67 Hi davehbsk. The clip led lights up from -0.3 dBFS at the digital input, as a cursor warning that the signal is close to clipping rather than it being too late and the signal is clipping. It gives just a small amount of headroom and to compensate for the fact that not all samples are used for clip detection.
      It happens also on the analogue inputs but the digital level (after ADC) is not always what you see on the input meter because the preamp gain is in 2.5dB steps, and the rest is digital trim. The console will not clip though because of floating point processing, the trim being in the dsp domain. Hopefully this answers your question. Many thanks
      • Oct 9
    • daveh13
      daveh13

      Hi Nigel, thanks for your answer. But if I understand your first sentence about the digital input clipping, the return from my DAW thru X-USB (which is obviously digital), should never clip as long as I introduce a little gain reduction of -1dB (to stay under your -0.3dB limit). BUT in my case, to avoid red clipping light, I have to set a -12dB on the gain of the DAW return... If I set only -1dB, the channel clips all the time (especially when the return of my DAW is a "mastered" final signal, compressed and itself limited to -0.3dB).

      • Oct 10
    • daveh13
      GeorgeDougherty It may be the same with other DAW's but I use Reaper and recently resolved a similar issue. Reaper treats everything as stereo and I found if I send a channel to a mono hardware out it sums the L/R internally for a 6db gain as you get with any combination of identical signals. On the Reaper hardware out routing dialog there is a 1/2 dropdown. Clicking that gets an option to select a mono source and either channel 1 or 2. Pick one, and the output into the board will drop by 6db and should match what's in the DAW unless you have the Trim control adjusted on the board.
      • Oct 17
    • daveh13
      daveh13

      thanks Georges, infact, I must have made a mistake, because the problem is not there anymore and I cannot reproduce it. A "-0.3dB maximed" wav file now never clips when I send it to a channel with 0dB gain. But as soon as I raise the gain, it clips. So everything is normal again...

      • Oct 17
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    kennyjames
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-17

    Hi love the Flow 8 but I can't get it to work with my laptop, I use Cakewalk by Band Lab to record with but can't seem to get it to work, an instructional video explaining how to set th mixer up to the laptop and if I need to download any drivers would be a great help as I am not a computer wiz kid and need things explaining in simple terms it's an age thing. On the only videos that I can find there is only a brief mention about being able to record using the Floe 8 it doesn't show you what you need to do to make this happen infact it only shows an over view of what the mixer can do, can you help as this is a great little mixer and I would like to get the best out of it Regards Kenny  

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    • kennyjames
      KyleJohnson Hi Kenny, Kyle here with Music Tribe. The first thing you should do is verify the USB Routing parameter. You can find it in the Setup>Routing menu. This will determine which signals are sent out via USB. Then, in your DAW you need to assign the FLOW 8 as the Input device, then you should be able to select from USB inputs 1-10 to assign to your tracks for recording.
      • Oct 17
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    DavidThomson1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-15

    Hi, would it please be possible (like all other behringer products), to have the flow product page have a firmware section to advise customers

    A) when a new version has been released and its revision number with date of release

    B) What new features have been added

    C) What bugs and issues have been resolved

     

    The only way to check for a new version is to fire up the Simply PUT app, connect your mixer and verify if its a new or old firmware release. It doesnt tell you anywhere (that i can find), whats new, fixed or broken with the version of FW. If even the app had the release date next to the firmware it would be a start, but would be prefered if it was put on the webpage with the date and a PDF with the changes etc in it.

     

    Thanks

     

    Dave

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    • DavidThomson1
      PedroRodrigues Hi DavidThomson1 you are absolutely correct that information should be on the product page available for any customer, I will make that recommendation to the respective team,to make it available. Meanwhile please follow the link below to access that information for the last FW released. https://wsi.li/dl/ycTi8EMrwed2t79uM/ Thank you
      • Oct 16
      • Flow Firmware Suggestion
        DavidThomson1 thanks Pedro. the link you sent was for firmware 11739 and we are now on 11748. thanks again
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        • Oct 16
      • Flow Firmware Suggestion
        PedroRodrigues Hi DavidThomson1, thank you for your reply, the document sent was merely a guideline on the type of document to expect when the team, that manages these aspects proceeds to make this information available on the product page. Thank you
        • Oct 16
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