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    TroyKrueger
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-12-13

    Hi, could someone confirm on a midas M32, firmware 4 or above that you can store a snippet with the master L/R fader at 0.0 and when it is loaded it puts that master fader back at 0.0?

    I'd really appreciate it. 

    Cheers, 

     

    Troy

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    • TroyKrueger
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Troy, I just tested a snippet to zero Main LR on both the X32 and X32-Edit and it works file. What version of firmware 4 are you using? Make sure you have updated to the latest (4.04). Also make sure you don't have any snippet safes enabled.
      • December 13, 2020
      • M32 Snippet to store L/R Master Fader Level - doesn't work?
        TroyKrueger Thanx Paul, I’ll update the firmware (it’s currently 4.02 or 3... not there now- but it’s not 4.04 for sure) and report back. I can also confirm there are no safes enabled and also that a snapshot also does not change the master fader . Cheers
        • December 13, 2020
      • M32 Snippet to store L/R Master Fader Level - doesn't work?
        Paul_Vannatto The Wing uses snapshots (which are similar to M32 Scenes). I thought you were using a snippet. If you export the snippet to a file does it look like this?

        #4.0# "Main to Zero" 0 0 0 0 1
        /main/st/mix/fader +0.0
        • December 13, 2020
      • M32 Snippet to store L/R Master Fader Level - doesn't work?
        TroyKrueger I will check the snippet I have, in the mean time I can confirm that even after updating firmware to 4.04, when storing a snapshot with the master fader at 0, recalling that snapshot does not restore the master fader to 0, and confirming that there are no 'safes' or 'ignores' in the settings.
        • December 30, 2020
      • M32 Snippet to store L/R Master Fader Level - doesn't work?
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Troy, as I mentioned before, snapshots are not part of the X32 terminology. It saves/loads scenes and snippets. I can assure you that the snippet I provided does indeed move the Main LR master fader to 0 db.

        One other thing to clear up, 0 db is the setting about 2/3 the way up on the fader, not all the way down. Hopefully that is what you are referring to.
        • December 30, 2020
  • MichaelVincentd
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-12-01

    Hello guys,

     

    I have m32,and it's firmware was never updated before since it was purchased two years ago. I'm planning to update the firmware with the latest firmware. Any thoughts about updating firmware from version 3.11 to 4.04?

    i appreciate any feedback you may have..

    thanks.

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    • MichaelVincentd
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Michael, yes you can upgrade from 3.11 to 4.04. Make sure you backup your cues, scenes and snippets, as well as any preset in the Library before doing the upgrade. Exporting a show will include the cues, scenes and snippets, but will not include the library presets. Also write down all of the settings on the first 4 screens of the Setup section, since that cannot be backed up using 3.11
      • December 1, 2020
      • FIRMWARE VERSION 4.04
        MarkNorgren Paul, I just upgraded to 4.04 on my M32. Is there any real need to upgrade to 4.04.1 if I'm on a Midas? The release notes mention a Behringer issue, but no Midas problems. TIA
        • December 2, 2020
      • FIRMWARE VERSION 4.04
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Mark, the X32 and M32 DSP engine are identical. The only difference in the consoles are the hardware (and the bling). There are a number of bug fixes and some new features. The one feature I like the most is the new DCA spill.
        • December 2, 2020
  • New
    zoleeon
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-08

     

        Hi everyone!

     

    I am looking for a physical control suface for my MR12. If you have some recommendation please send them to me. I am using the MR12 for a 4 keyboard rig, and the need for physical surface is to control volumes, mutes, and probably  to be able to change snapshots. I am thinking of BCF2000, or Fadefox EC4, or evolution 33. 

    Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you

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    • zoleeon
      KyleJohnson Hi Zoltan, Kyle here with Music Tribe. I recommend you look at the Behringer X-TOUCH. It can run XCTL protocol which is the protocol that the M Air mixers use.
      • December 8, 2020
      • Midas MR12 physical control surface
        zoleeon Thanks Kyle! I'll check the X-touch.
        • December 8, 2020
  • New
    loookin
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-03

    Hi! Mc-1 on Midas Pro6 (bay1) doesn't start at all, only blank (black) screen, no system information (motheboard information, linux images loading, etc..., nothing) on load. Mc-2 still works normally, mixer console fully operates. No specially conditions or events did not precede accident. What actions need to be taken? May be BIOS battery? Thank you.

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    • loookin
      DavidKnighton Hello Alexander Lukin,
      Check if MC-1 will boot to BIOS upon startup. Plug the keyboard into MC1 USB KEY and whammy the DELETE key or F2 key (I forget which) while you power the desk on. The command should force the MC into BIOS. This will clue us to whether the MC is still alive.
      • December 3, 2020
  • New
    BenjaminChan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-24

    Hi,

     

    I'm using Midas M32R and I'm trying to route Bus7/8 to Dante input 15/16. All my other channels are working fine 1-12 into Dante 1-12. I can't seem to find the bus routing in M32R to route it to dante input. Anyone has any idea? Thanks

     

    Ben

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    DavidAubin
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-06

    Started live streaming our church service a couple of months back and I am not satisfied with the audio over the stream, it's clear, but harsh.  We are still doing our in house service as well.  I have the mix where i want in the house and all I am doing is sending the channels I want for the stream to matrix, before EQ, assigned to a different output.  Some of the lower channels I send to bus then to the matrix to boost that channel.  Micing the room is not an option as it's not an ideal venue(but what is?).  What I have been told is that there is software that can be added with some premixed effects and EQ that i can send from the direct out to one of the aux buses for live streaming.  Is this something from Midas/Behringer or a third party thing? 

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    • DavidAubin
      DavidKnighton Hello David Aubin,
      Whatever this added software is would be third party/external. There's no additional software that can be mounted to the operating system of the M32 console. What I can tell you about live stream mix is that most of the time, venues will dedicate a mixer for the venue, and another mixer for the live stream. The reason for this is because as a FOH operator, the inputs are EQ'd to sound good in the room, not through a laptop, phone, or tablet. This is likely why the mix sounds harsh on your live stream. What I would suggest is send all the inputs RAW out of the console to either another console, or to a computer, then mix it to where it sounds good coming out of a laptop or smart phone. Mixing on a pair of reference monitors may get you close, but the real deal here is that laptop speakers and phone speakers are super small and tinny, so you're better off referencing your mix directly off the live stream so you can make real time changes.
      • November 6, 2020
    • DavidAubin
      DavidAubin I know why it sounds harsh, we are a portable site and don't have the room for another mixer. I was going to try mixing it raw on a computer but seeing if there was something else available. Thanks
      • November 6, 2020
      • Midas M32 room mixing and live stream mixing
        DavidKnighton Hello David,
        Have you considered maybe an X32 Rack or M32C? Both units are relatively compact, and you can do most of your mixing from an iPad or laptops. It would be simple enough to daisy chain the main console to a 2nd unit and then you have all the creative processing in your hands for your live mix.
        • November 6, 2020
      • Midas M32 room mixing and live stream mixing
        DavidAubin Looking into it actually. Just need the budget.
        • November 6, 2020
    • DavidAubin
      KevinMaxwell How many inputs are you presently using on the M32? Do you have any idea if it is particular channels that sound “harsh” to you? Are you sure that you aren’t clipping the signal somewhere in the feed to the live stream. They are very susceptible to being over driven. See below how we dealt with that.

      One church I helped set up their X32 for live streaming we took each channel post fader to a Mix Bus (7) and if you needed more or less of that in the live stream they would adjust to taste. This included the vocal reverb that was used for the house mix. They could also send channels to Mix Bus 7 without sending it to the L/R for the house feed. And don’t forget that you have the parametric EQ on the Mix Bus available for shaping the sound.

      The way that the system is setup for live helps because the system is tuned for linearity (what go’s in is what comes out) and then vocal mics go thru a Mix Bus before going to the house mix outputs and that Mix Bus is EQed for gain before feedback. This leaves all channel EQs available to deal with making it sound that way you want that mic to sound not having to deal with and feedback issues on the channels. That gives a smoother sound that then translates to a post fader Mix Bus send working for live streaming.

      I used the compressor on Mix Bus 7 at about a 7:1 ratio and set the threshold so it was always doing a little something. This was then routed to Matrix 5/6 and the matrix compressor was set to limiting (brick wall limiting) and was set while watching a test live stream and was set to be just under clipping. This was to keep the signal clean and as loud as we could get it but keep it from clipping. Keep in mind that the dynamic range of live sound is not going to work for any kind of broadcasting feed.

      It might help you to get the sound you are looking for if you were to insert a Stereo Combinator from the effects rack (FX1-4 can be set to the Combinator) and play with the settings to get the sound you want.

      And although it might drive you a little bit craze because of the extreme delay you could have one person with a tablet (hooked up to control the live stream Mix Bus on the M32 over WiFi) mixing the Mix Bus feed while watching and listening to the live stream in another room. I say drive you crazy because any change you make on the Mix Bus you wouldn’t hear right away because of the time it takes for the live stream to reach the person watching and trying to mix it. When we were testing this setup it was around 26 seconds.

      I hope this is of some help to you.
      • November 6, 2020
      • Midas M32 room mixing and live stream mixing
        DavidAubin Thank you for the reply. This is actually what I am currently doing. Everything is a compromise in this manner and I will never be satisfied with it.
        • November 6, 2020
      • Midas M32 room mixing and live stream mixing
        KevinMaxwell How many inputs are you presently using on the M32?
        • November 7, 2020
  • New
    MikaelFrithiof
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-05

    Hi

    I need to record to ProTools from a Midas R32 Live but I need the in-house LTC/MTC to get ProTools to slave.

    Is there a way I can get the Midas to listen to LTC/MTC as an audio interface and sync with ProTools?

     

    Cheers

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    fcccmedia
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-05

    Hello I need help with an issue I'm having with the M32C. My setup is the following:

    (FOH) M32R AES50-A connected to DL32 AES50-A 

    (MON) M32C AES50-A connected to DL32 AES50-B

    Everything is synced to AES50-A  

    Inputs are fine issue is with outputs. The M32R recognizes the DL32 outputs but the M32C isn't and I just can't figure out why. Please help I got a church service this weekend and I need this to work for my IEM mixes. Thank you 

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    • fcccmedia
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Joshua, if you read the QSG, outputs are only available on the DL32 AES50 A port. If you need to send outputs from both consoles, you will need to change your interconnectivity mapping to something like this:
      M32R [B] <-> [A] M32C [B] <-> [A] DL32
      Then make the necessary assignments on the M32C Routing, AES50 B screen to transfer the M32R outputs (A port) to the B port.
      • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        fcccmedia Hello Paul thanks for the response. I actually tried that and I lost outputs on both the M32R and the M32C. So I'm not sure why.
        • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        Paul_Vannatto On the M32C, what did you have assigned to the first 2 banks of the Routing, AES50 B? If you export your scene to a file, then save it in the cloud (Google Drive, Dropbox, etc.) then share a link, I'll be glad to have a look at it and better advise.
        • November 5, 2020
    • fcccmedia
      fcccmedia Ok great I will try connecting everything the way you suggested again. I'll also double check my routing because maybe I missed something the 1st time I tried. If I'm still having trouble I'll share the scene file. Thanks
      • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        Paul_Vannatto If the M32R has assigned the FOH outputs (Main L/R, subs, etc.) to the first bank of 8 (Outputs 1-8), then I would suggest the following assignments on the M32C
        Routing AES50 B
        * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 A1-8 (transferring FOH to the DL32 outputs 1-8)
        * Outputs 9-16 -> Out 1-8 (sending your IEM outputs from the Routing, Out screen to DL32 outputs 9-16)
        • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        fcccmedia So I am only using DL32 outputs 15 & 16 at FOH for my mains and subs. Then DL32 outputs 1-14 I need for my IEM. So at FOH I'm using local outputs 1-4 and 5-8 I'm using the user outputs to have local outputs on 5 & 6 and DL32 outputs 15 & 16 on user outputs 7 & 8.
        • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        Paul_Vannatto Unfortunately, you can only assign outputs to the AES50 in banks of 8 with M32/X32 family of consoles. But with firmware 4.x there is a workaround, by using the User Signal Outputs. Assign the first 14 outputs to the Out 1-14 and the outputs 15 and 16 to the AES50 A15 and A16 respectively. Then on the Routing, AES50 A screen (or AES50 in M32-Edit), assign User Out 1-8 to the first bank and User Out 9-16 to the second bank.
        • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        fcccmedia Ok that worked! Thanks so much! One Last thing how would I be able to use local outputs at FOH?
        • November 5, 2020
      • M32C not recognizing XLR outputs
        fcccmedia Hey Paul how would I be able to use the FOH outputs with this current setup you suggested? Thanks
        • November 7, 2020
  • New
    zoleeon
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-10-30

        Hi everyone!

        I would like to control my MR12 from my Kurzweil Forte keyboard, and for this I need the MSB and LSB numbers for this unit. Is anyone who has the full midi implementation for this unit? I would like to change also the midi channel that receives the midi messages for this unit.

         Thank you!

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    • zoleeon
      RexBeckett Hi Zoltan, the Midi channels for the MR12 cannot be changed. It is hard-coded to use channels 1, 2 & 3. The Midi messages to which it will respond are shown here: https://behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=8._MIDI
      • October 30, 2020
      • Midas MR12 midi control
        zoleeon Thank you Rex! This implementation is already in the owner manual of the Midas mr12. And good(or bad) to know that there is no way to change the receive channels on this unit.
        • October 30, 2020
      • Midas MR12 midi control
        RexBeckett In case it is not clear, X-Air mixers do not use bank switching. If they receive Midi Bank Select messages on channel 1, they are interpreted as fader values for channel 1 and DCA 1. This is not normally a problem if Bank Selects are sent as a precursor to a Program Change as the new Snapshot will usually overwrite the erroneous fader values. It can be a problem if partial-scope Snapshots are recalled.
        • October 30, 2020
      • Midas MR12 midi control
        zoleeon Thank you for clearing this up. Anyway I gave up to control it from Forte, because there were 2 more units controlled by it, and it was kind of messing up things in those 2 units. Long story short I programmed a roland A-300 pro to do the basic jobs for mr12, and it is working perfectly. Maybe I'll look after some smaller controller, later on. Thanks again, and wish you the best
        • October 30, 2020
    • zoleeon
      bongkyou Hello?
      I am a Korean midas m32 user.
      This is Bong-Gyu Lee, CEO of Sejin Event Planning.
      Jitter noise occurs when using the waves plug-in after the latest firmware 4.03 update.
      The jitter noise disappeared by reverting to 4.02 after finding the problem.
      Please solve the problem
      Thank you.
      For reference, when will Hirtej D be released?
      • November 2, 2020
      • Midas MR12 midi control
        Paul_Vannatto What has this got to do with the OP of this discussion (MR12 midi control)? Please delete your post and start a new discussion.
        • November 2, 2020
  • MarkNorgren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-10-28

    Can someone explain the benifits of upgrading my M32R to 4.03 and my DL32 to 1.8?  I am currently using 4.1 and 1.7 for my stagebox.  TIA  I am all about stability and use the board for my small band.

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    • MarkNorgren
      Paul_Vannatto I believe you are using firmware 4.01, not 4.1. There are significant bug fixes and feature updates that are included in 4.03 (see release notes). For the DL32, the only update has to do with the "Forwarding of DP48 Messages via AES50" (see release notes).
      • October 28, 2020
    • MarkNorgren
      MarkNorgren Thanks Paul! I stand corrected, 4.01. Will make the change this weekend!
      • October 28, 2020
    • MarkNorgren
      Dale_M Hi Mark, for future reference when you download the latest software all release notes are included in the zip file which gives a breakdown of what is new and improved, i hope this helps
      • October 29, 2020
    • MarkNorgren
      MarkNorgren I just upgraded my board and all went well. As I recall, I had to use a PC laptop to upgrade my DL32 before? Can I use my Macbook Pro do it with this latest upgrade? If so, can anyone point me to instructions for my Mac? TIA
      • October 30, 2020
      • M32R and DL32 Upgrades
        Paul_Vannatto As far as I know, stagebox updates (including DL32) are PC based only at this point.
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        • October 30, 2020
      • M32R and DL32 Upgrades
        MarkNorgren Thanks Paul!
        • October 31, 2020
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