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  • VmusicV
    Contributor - Level 2
    I have a Ditto X4 and just updated the firmware, per the TCE website. I want to playback a single note so it's like a continuous smooth drone sound. I can see LOTS of people are having problems with this device. I even generated a sound from my DAW to assure a perfectly consistent sound [no human me involved] -- but I get this pop/click sound at the beginning/end of the loop.

    Here's samples showing the problem:

    Should I just take the thing back? I don't have HOURS and HOURS of time to invest in poor quality control.

    Churned in Charlotte
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    • VmusicV
      skeeboo Hope for a fix soon. This way is useless for ambiental looping.
      • March 7, 2017
    • VmusicV
      VmusicV I just took it back..... I am NOT spending $200+ on a pedal that doesn't work flawlessly out of the box. Obviously TCE has some serious quality control issues.
      • March 7, 2017
  • DrKev
    Contributor - Level 2
    Try this...

    In the Toneprint editor, assign delay time AND something else to the delay knob. As my example, I added a vibrato and assign the modulation depth to the delay knob, huge modulation depth for short delays and zero depth on the longest delay. Save Toneprint to pedal.

    Now, using the delay knob, set a short delay time. Gives big obvious modulation.
    Now use the audio tap feature to set a long delay time. It seems that ONLY the delay time is adjusted and not the modulation depth to go with it. (Had we used the knob, the mod depth would have changed too).

    Personally, I think this is more a bug than a feature, but who knows, the creative types among you may find it useful, so I thought I'd point it out.
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  • benecio
    Contributor - Level 2
    Despite the Gsys not being designed to bypass an amp when connecting to a mixer and PA, I'm still interested in attempting this perhaps using an amp simulator combined with a ISO-box etc. I'm also noticing this is affecting my FX loop and my external distortion pedals and what not. Does anyone have any experience with this? I'm also wondering what the best way to connect the amp-less Gsys direct to the PA might be? Thanks!
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  • FelixHomann
    Super Contributor - Level 2
    when I put the oscillators in "Tune Pot Bypass" mode they are tuned consistently a half step too low, i.e. pressing a C-key on my keyboard yields a B. Am I missing something?

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  • Petermiller
    Contributor - Level 1
    Hello All,
    I have a brand new Ditto looper.

    It seems to have a random problem ( even in bypass mode) where the volume of the plugged in instrument will fade in and out. I have updated the firmware and within 5 mins it started again. Then didn't do it for ages. then did it once again. Very frustrating.

    Any Suggestions?

    I did hear of this problem somewhere online. maybe there is a new model or something where this has been sorted out.

    Also, I've just noticed a slight pop when clearing a loop!

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    • Petermiller
      lawles_delicacy Hello, i´ve got more or less the same problem..everything is alright until i press record and the sound either disapears or it distores or its gone ...i go crazy because i cant find out whats the mistake ..its a brand new ditto sended back and got another brand new and i´ve got the same problem ! please can someone tell me whats wrong with the mashine ???? i
      • July 15, 2013
    • Petermiller
      Petermiller I have a new one from the shop, haven't had a chance to try it yet! But where is the support from TC Electronics themselves?
      • July 17, 2013
    • Petermiller
      gerdm To lawles.delicacy.dealers:

      I had the same problem! When I hit the button for recording, I cannot here the guitar via amp (but i heard the Sound of the Loops). Everything else works. After some hours of experiments, I found the solution. I have used another 9 Volt power supply ( I do not use the original one). Everything is working now!
      • October 1, 2013
    • Petermiller
      CesarV I just had the same problem... actually asked @gerdm the power supply solved everything... Mine was working just fine till an hour ago that it started behaving funny, first it gave my tone something like a vibrato sound, and suddenly it distorted the signal... that is when I was actually playing the guitar and not playing a loop, but when i play a loop the sound is totally normal and clean... I was using a universal power supply, tomorrow I will buy a 9 volt power supply to see if it fixes this problem...
      • October 17, 2013
  • Monsta-Tone
    Contributor - Level 2
    Hey guys,
    I keep going around and around about this. I know that just about every topic has been beaten to death concerning the G-System vs. G-Major 2 discussion.
    I have had a G-Major 2 since it first came out. Before that, I used a G-Major for several years.
    I have had a couple of G-Systems, but they were the older ones with the original input buffer. For some reason, I simply was not able to bond with the G-Systems that I have had in the past. Part of it was user error, and I'm sure that part of it was the thought of having to buy external gear such as an HE-2 or Buffer.

    Here is my current setup:
    Guitar -->
    GCX Input (non-buffered, the buffer input adds tons of hiss) -->
    GCX Loop 1 --> BB Pre pedal
    GCX Loop 1 Out -->
    Amp Input -->
    Amp Send -->
    G-Major Input -->
    G-Major Output -->
    Amp Returns (stereo)

    This setup is fairly versatile, but I have found many limitations with the GCX and my particular setup. The GCX cannot store presets, so I have to have many IA buttons to access individual loops or switch amp functions. Plus, I have a whole rack space being taken up by the GCX and it is mostly doing amp switching functions. I have a small 4 space rack and there is no room for pedals with the Power Conditioner, G-Major 2, and GCX.

    I want to simplify my rig and eliminate some cables. I have reached the limits of the GCP/GCX.
    I love the Dynamic Delay on my G-Major!
    I want to add pedals in front of my amp.
    Seems like the G-System is the way to go. I can get rid of the Ground Control Pro, GCX, and the G-Major and use one device to do it all.......I hope!

    I am using a Rivera S120 combo amp. The amp sounds freakishly incredible, but does not like a lot of pedals. I found an old thread by another forum member that goes by the name "Mel." He has the same amp and a G-System and has had great luck with it.

    All pre-coffee rambling aside, I have a few questions. I understand that every question is directly related to each individual's setup and amp. I am not asking for definitive answers that nobody has. I am asking people to share their personal experiences.

    1. Does the new input buffer mean that I will most likely not need the Sunday Driver?
    - If I need a buffer/booster, would the TC Spark work just as well? It is half the price.

    2. Is anyone else here using the G-System with a Rivera amp?
    - If so, what pedals are you using in the Loops?
    - I am hoping to use a couple of boost or OD pedals for different flavors. My amp is pretty particular about pedals. Most pedals add a lot of hiss to my amp.

    3. All functionality aside, are the FX in the G-System any better than the FX in the G-Major 2?
    - I'm asking specifically about the FX that are in both units. Delay, Chorus, Pitch, etc..

    4. Are the patch changes in the G-System truly seamless?
    - On the G-Major 2, I have to have all patches set to Semi-Parallel or I have a huge delay and sometimes a drop in output for about 500ms.
    - This is a bummer because I think that a lot of my presets sound much better when they are set to Parallel.

    5. Can I assign an IA button to send a PC?
    - For instance....Can I use the Reverb button to send a Program Change message to my Voodoo Lab Control Switcher?
    - My amp uses Momentary relays for control. I will have to use an external switching device with the G-System.
    - From a given Preset on the G-sys I would like to be able to hit a single IA button and be able to change several functions on my amp at the same time. Say I am in the Lead channel with no reverb on the amp and I want to change to the clean channel with the amp's built in reverb while staying in the same preset. The Control Switcher can accept either multiple CC's (like the GCX) or it can accept PC commands.
    - If I cannot send a PC command from an IA button, can I send multiple CC's on the same midi channel with the same button on the G-System?

    I think from a functionality standpoint, the G-System is a much better alternative for me than what I am currently using. I like the layout of the footswitch, and am almost convinced that the System is the direction I should take. When I do the math, it seems like the G-System would be a much more affordable alternative than using a midi pedal, midi switcher, pedals, G-Major, etc..

    For some reason, I keep thinking that it may be a mistake to take the plunge and buy a new G-System with the updated buffer circuit. Probably it's because I live on an island and have no way of trying one out with my rig before purchasing. I have to ship it in, then if I don't like it, I have to ship it back........I just went through this with a Digitech GSP1101. I thought it would be a good (cheap) alternative, but it adds tons of hiss to the front of my amp and there is no input level adjustment like the G-System has so I can't try a buffer in front of it.

    Anyway........I gotta chug my coffee and get to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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    • Monsta-Tone
      Monsta-Tone I never run out of questions, sorry.

      Does the G-System have a "Bounce Back" feature on the Preset buttons? For instance, if I push the Preset button again, does it simply send the same preset number or can it be assigned to bounce between the current preset and the previous one?

      Does the G-System have any lag time/cut outs/patch change glitches when the Loops are being used? I will not be using the Relays, but will definitely be using the Loops.

      Thanks again.
      • December 11, 2013
    • Monsta-Tone
      neilbunker I've never had a G major 2 so I can't speak to that but I can answer your bounce back question. The G system does not have this. Hitting the preset button just reloads the current patch. For me this is actually very useful, if you have a patch with the delay and modulation bypassed and an auto-on wah setting for example, you can turn all those effects on and when you want them all back off, you just hit the preset button again. I do a lot of cover gigs so this helps in creating some generalized patches that you can add effects to as needed for the song.

      If you have presets that you jump to a lot and you can sacrifice some of the switches, you can reassign extra buttons to go to a specific patch no matter what bank you are on. I have my G set up with 8 preset buttons, 5 of them are bankable, and 3 of them jump to a specific patch for lead sounds that I use a lot. I sacrificed the switches for reverb, filter and one of the loops because all those are set up on a patch per patch basis and I don't need to switch them on and off within a preset.

      I have zero problems with lag or switching noise with the loops. The relays can lag a bit depending on what you are switching, but the loops seem pretty seamless to me.
      • December 11, 2013
    • Monsta-Tone
      elvis Hi Monsta! (Same M-T as the Boogie Board?)

      I have two setups: one with a GCX and GCP, the other with a G System. Both are messy.

      G System: It is nice that the basic functions are all built-in. I have a few pedals I use with the G System, so I de-racked it and use it all on the floor on a Pedaltrain PT-Pro board (pretty big and heavy). The original setup was racked, but it was also big and heavy, and I find I prefer not having the rack. The limitation for me is that there are not quite enough buttons, so if you want individual control of the loops, or the EQ, or whatever, you have to reassign a button and lose control of whatever that button was for. Still, it seems to work for me, as there are at least a couple functions I either don't use or don't need to switch on/off on the fly. WHen I did have it in a rack, I liked that I only had one cable (the Ethernet cable) on the floor. Currently I use a custom snake, and it is pretty much the same as having only one cable, except it is a fat, heavy cable... I wish I could add a couple more pedals, but I really am at the practical limit.

      I also like the GCX, as I feel I have more flexibility. I also think that I would like it even more if I added a G Major. But I hate carrying the rack. For the way I use them, the two systems are so close in capability, that I would find it hard to pick a clear winner. I think that for gigging, where you have a relatively small set of presets, and you want some capability to change tone or FX on the fly, the G System is great. If you have 10 pedals and a rack FX unit and want to change anything at your whim (the way I play at home), the GCX is a bit better.

      That is why I have both.

      To answer specific questions:

      1. The G System fornt-end gain stage (not the buffer) adds a little noise that you will find objectionable with a high-gain amp. The Sunday Driver (or other buffer with gain) can help you boost the signal into the G to lower the effective noise floor. There is nothing superior about the SD buffer other than low noise.

      2. Don't know.

      3. According to TC they are pretty much identical. The menu functions are not, so they are in practice a bit different if you are tweaking them.

      4. I haven't noticed this. I can say that for some amps the relay switching does have a delay, so a lot of us use an amp gizmo. That works great. BUT you lose that ability to toggle between relay settings in a single preset.

      5. I believe you cannot. I am not sure about this one.
      • December 11, 2013
    • Monsta-Tone
      Monsta-Tone That's me!

      I still have a Mesa Heartbreaker with a full set of mods, but the Rivera has the most incredible 3-D tones! Plus, it's stereo!

      Thanks for the help guys.

      The Bounce back is not a must. My Digitech has it and I think it's a cool feature. I'm used to the GCP though, which does what the G-System does with a 2nd press of the same button.

      How would you guys compare the older version of the G-Sys to the newer one?

      Is it worth the extra money to get a new one if I still need the Boost pedal?
      • December 11, 2013
    • Monsta-Tone
      elvis I have not tried any of the newer front ends. However, based on what I have read, and my understanding of the electronics, I would argue that they are likely indistinguishable for many or most users. I particular, if you use any electronics between the guitar and the G System input, like a wireless, a pedal, tuner, etc, it is unlikely that you will find a difference.

      If you have a guitar that is very sensitive to loading, and your ears are well-calibrated, I think it is possible that you could notice a difference. I know that with my telecaster, it is pretty easy for me to find subtle differences in amps and effects, as well as how they are wired. With my humbucker guitars, much less so. I wound up completely rewiring my GCX/Electradyne setup TWICE because of subtle tone differences that I heard with the tele. BUT... 95% of that was cured with a buffer from the pedalboard to the amp's input. So it was an impedance issue really. And one of the rewirings was really for lower noise.

      If I were to do it over again, I am kind of split about whether I would go for the low-cost one or get the newer input stage. Given that I gig with the G System and a Mini Rectifier, I don't think a slight change in tone would make any difference at all. I am more serious about the tone of my GCX/GCP system because that is what I use with my Electradyne, which has WAY better tone than the rectifier.
      • December 12, 2013
  • pipelineaudio2
    Contributor - Level 3

    For the last few years, FCB1010s have been hard to get new. Usually some new stock will eventually show up, but what gives with the scarcity?

    Is there something else coming out?

    Congrats to behringer, warts and all, this thing has been desirable for at least ten years in a category that usually dies within a few years if not months when tech changes

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  • Zahumi
    Contributor - Level 1

    Has anyone seen this issue before? About a week ago I was using my acoustic play and notice that the preset I was using was turning on by itself as I was singing ... meaning, I trigger the preset during certain parts of the song, but not throughout. What it was doing was the preset would be turn it self on as I was singing and the louder I say the more the preset would activate ... I could see the preset light get brighter the louder I sing ... so now no matter what preset I use, it always on, making the pedal pretty much unless to me right now ...

    Anyone who can help me with this issue, it would be greatly appreciated.

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  • EddiePepper
    Contributor - Level 1
    Hi guys,

    I picked up a BG250-115 mk1 (with toneprint and gain) the other day - got it second hand so no warranty etc. I noticed a high pitched buzz coming from the amp circuit itself, when I give it a small bang it goes away and I end up with what sounds like a clicking from a fan (although I cant see a fan in the circuit board). The buzz comes back when I play certain notes on my bass at higher volumes and again goes away with a little bang on the amp section.

    The buzz doesn't come through the speaker or affect my DI to the PA but is audible and a bit annoying when things quieten down in the rehearsal room!

    It seems to be coming from the bigger of the copper coils that are in the unit. Any ideas as to cause of this and how to solve it?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Delighted with the amp other than this!
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  • ratzar
    Contributor - Level 1

    I have to make some video footage as interludes for them I need to also use the woman's voice, not wanting to depend on anyone for reasons of time, I thought about buying a tool that could change your voice from male to female, I don't claim a perfect voice but at least believable.
    A salesman advised me to buy the TC-HELICON TOUCH2, which also has an exaggerated price for my use.
    I am trying to learn to use it well, but so far from what I've seen the female voice that I can get is definitely not real, it's usually too much style "Donald Duck" and slightly metallic.

    Are there any presets that give me a voice for women closer to reality than what I got?

    The salesman told me that there would be no problems in transforming a voice from male to female in decent way so I hope that your product is the right one.

    I thank all those who help me to solve this problem.

    (sorry for my bad english)
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    • ratzar
      It might help if you use the preset #177 (Male2Female) and adjust carefully the gender parameter.

      Best regards

      • October 4, 2016
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