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  • EdSaxman
    Contributor - Level 2
    2016-09-07

    Hi! I really would like to know how works internally the processing of guitar and voice layers in the VL3.

    It has a DSP for each? If not, I wonder if the guitar layer affects performance on the voice layer somehow. Perhaps a preset with the whole guitar layer off will improve the performance on the voice layer in some way? (at least in regard to latency)



    In its day I collected information about DSP models included in most guitar processors, from the POD 2.0 to Fractal AXE II (including kemper, Helix, etc) but I have not found information on processors governing VL3.

    Of course I could open the machine, but if anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.


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    • EdSaxman
      EdSaxman
      POD XT --------------------- ? DSP @ 60 MHz, (180 MFLOPS)

      POD X3 --------------------- SHARC ADSP-21369 at 266 MHz (KSZ-1A), (1.6 GFLOPS)

      POD HD500/PRO -------- SHARC ADSP 21364 @ 333Mhz (2.0 GFLOPS)

      POD HD500X/PRO X --- SHARC ADSP-21369 @ 400Mhz (2.4 GFLOPS)

      ELEVEN RACK ----------- (2X) DSPs Texas Instruments TMS320C6727BZDH @ 275-350 MHz (2.1 GFlops @ 350MHz)

      KEMPER -------------------- (2x ?) Freescale Symphony DSP56720 (Motorola) @400Mhz

      HELIX ----------------------- (2X) SHARC ADSP-21469 @ 450Mhz

      AXE FX AX8 y/o FX8 --- (2X) SHARC ADSP-21469 @ 450Mhz

      Axe-FX Ultra --------------- (1X) TigerSHARC ADSP-TS203S @ 500 MH (3.0GFLOPS)

      AXE FX II ----------------------(2X) TigerSHARC ADSP-TS201S @ 600 Mhz
      • September 6, 2016
    • EdSaxman
      EdSaxman The VL3 series wears a Freescale’s ARM i.MX283 as core processor and a Symphony DSP56720 24-bit Dual-Core.



      It seems to be the same DSP included in the Kemper Profiler Amp (200Mhz per core, running at an equivalent of 400 MHz speed)



      http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/arm-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx28-processors/multimedia-applications-processors-high-performance-low-power-arm9-core:i.MX283



      http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/more-processors/dsp-dsc/dsp56k-symphony-dsp/24-bit-dual-core-symphony-dspSP56720?







      • September 7, 2016
    • EdSaxman
      EdSaxman
      I have tried setting the Guitar FX as global, so the entire guitar layer is OFF. Then you can assing functions from the voice layer and remap it completely as a secondary voice pedalboard. Useful to set tap tempo, 1 button looper, and so on. And the settings will be global as well, as it is defined in the guitar FS assingments.



      I think if there is a single DSP, this should improve processor performance on the voice layer somehow, but someone could confirm it?



      I do not understand what is the meaning of this support forum if you do not respond to the buyers of your machines.











      • September 13, 2016
    • EdSaxman
      EdSaxman
      Anyone?
      • September 27, 2016
    • EdSaxman
      TCH-Spencer
      Hey Ed, nice job on the homework

      I asked one of my colleagues about your theory, he replied "And no, AFAIK, turning off guitar FX don't do nuttin' for the vocals DSP-wise." What kind of performance boost in the vocal signal are you hoping for exactly?
      • September 29, 2016
  • CozmicDebris
    Contributor - Level 2
    2011-11-25
    Hi experts! This is just a thought experiment. But is there some MIDI device that can be customized to send certain PC and/or CC Messages if a different PC message is received? For example if you choose the patch A02 the G-System will send either PC=3 or a customizable PC (On Map). Let's say there are two external FX that have to be MIDI-controlled by the G-System at the same time, one of which (1st) can handle many PC messages and the other (2nd) can only interpret PC=1 and PC=2 for status On and Off. To be able to fully control both external devices by hitting only one button on the G-System you would need a device that can receive the original PC message from the 1st external FX's MIDI Through and translate it ad libitum to PC=1 or PC=2 as needed for the 2nd FX.

    MIDI IN PC = 1 --> MIDI OUT PC = 2
    MIDI IN PC = 2 --> MIDI OUT PC = 2
    MIDI IN PC = 3 --> MIDI OUT PC = 1
    MIDI IN PC = 4 --> MIDI OUT PC = 2
    MIDI IN PC = 5 --> MIDI OUT PC = 1
    MIDI IN PC = 6 --> MIDI OUT PC = 1
    ...

    Does something like this exist? If yes, what's the best google search term for it?
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  • petestuff
    Contributor - Level 1
    2012-02-07
    Hello Forum,
    I have just made up a small pedal board with a Polytune mini, Mad Professor Sweet Honey Overdrive, Flashback Delay & Hall of Fame Reverb. The only other pedal I want is a Tremolo. Any plans for TC to do one in the same format as the toneprint pedals? I know there is the vibrato but I specifically want a trem. I have been very impressed with the reverb & delay, well done chaps.
    Thanks
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    • petestuff
      darkwave I have the Flashback Delay and am really happy with it. I was never really a delay user but this pedal has gotten me to use the effect more often (mainly as a slap-back, but I plan to use the looper quit a bit as well). I'm also seriously looking at the Spark Booster and Shaker Vibrato now.



      But what I really want is a good Tremolo option. I'd be plenty pleased if it was a Toneprint for the Shaker, but a separate pedal would be an option as well. Seriously - I've heard a lot of people mention that a tremolo was a great opportunity for this line and I'd love to see it be a reality.



      Please? Soon?



      -Douglas C.
      • June 24, 2012
  • FastHeartMart
    Contributor - Level 2
    2016-11-10

    Hi! I love my VL3X! It's so fun. However, it's not reliable because just the other night it would not go past the blue screen when I was setting up for a show. It won't turn on sometimes. All I get is a blue screen. Sweetwater has already replaced it once and now this will be my second unit.

    Craig or anyone else, do you have any suggestions? I really want to use this in my performances, but I'm not feeling confident enough to rely on it.

    I've tried unplugging all the cables except for power. I've even tried powering it with my Pedaltrain Volto (12VDC), to eliminate the chance that it is my power supply. I have run it successfully with the Pedal Train Volto before without any problems. I have tried pressing the button inside the headphone jack while booting up.

    Sorry if this question is posted elsewhere. All I could find was the "white screen" problem for the VL3 non-extreme. Please direct me there if needed.

    Please help! I really want to keep using this piece of equipment

    Thanks!
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    • FastHeartMart
      TCH-Spencer Hey Mart,

      Can you please describe the specs of your power supply? The VL3 needs a 12V 1000mA (1.0A) supply. If you're giving it less power than that it will affect performance. Do you still have the included stock power supply to test with?



      If it really isn't the power supply's fault then I would reccomend submitting a ticket to our support guys: http://support.tcelectronic.com/requests/new
      • November 14, 2016
    • FastHeartMart
      FastHeartMart
      Thanks for your response Spencer! I do have the original power supply and it was not working.



      For the past week my unit has not been powering up. Just a blue screen with no words or anything.



      Sweetwater was kind enough to send me a 2nd replacement today. I am now on my 3rd unit. I powered on my old unit today just to see if it would work and it did. Weird. I'm sending it back regardless as I know for sure the unit was not powering up for the past week.



      The reason I posted on this forum is because I thought it might be good for anyone else who has come across this problem with the VL3X.



      Thanks again for your response Spencer. I will submit a ticket to the link you provided
      • November 16, 2016
  • MicheleVicidomi
    Contributor - Level 1
    2015-05-02
    Awesome pedal, great quality but why no love for phaser?
    Any plan to include a helix-like toneprint/pedal?

    Cheers

    Michele
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    • MicheleVicidomi
      LeonB1
      I would agree! Most guitarists who also want to use their own amps and pedals would have the Electric first in the chain so that the unit can track the chords as best as possible from the guitar. Therefore, I am surprised that not more of the typical early-in-the-chain effects are included: eq, phaser, octaver, auto-wah, etc.
      • September 10, 2016
  • AlessandroDelSo
    Contributor - Level 2
    2018-05-01
    Hi, I purchased both the Corona Chorus and Flashback Triple Delay because I wanted to use the Brian May toneprints.

    Unfortunately, I don't seem to get them work so I'm asking for guidance on how to upload them from the PC. Especially the delay, in a Brian May setup it's very simple: one is 800 ms with no feedback and one is 1600 ms with no feedback, but it doesn't go.

    This is what I did:

    1. Downloaded the latest version of Toneprint Editor for the PC (3.1.03)
    2. Connected my guitar to the pedal and the pedal to my amp
    3. Connected the pedal to my pc via the USB cable
    4. Launched the Toneprint Editor
    5. On the delay pedal in bypass mode, I first selected the Delay1 switch and then the TP1 mode on the knob. On the Chorus pedal in bypass mode, I first selected the Toneprint mode with the switch.
    6. Clicked
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    • AlessandroDelSo
      TC-Mike Hi Allessandro,



      Please note that you can only! connect 1 pedal at a time otherwise it won*t work!



      What doesn't work exactly?



      Can you get to the editor part and see the parameters?



      Your post seems to have been truncated...
      • May 16, 2018
    • AlessandroDelSo
      AlessandroDelSo Hi Mike, thanks for your reply. Yes, the message has been probably truncated and, yes, I was working with one pedal at a time.



      However, I figured out that, once the tone print has been sent to the pedal, I need to disconnect the USB cable before I try to play the effect (it would be nice to add this tip to the next version of the editor's user interface).



      Now I get the toneprint working, but if I put the effect in bypass mode and then I re-press the pedal switch, I get a completely different effect. It seems the toneprint gets lost.



      I'm probably missing some steps at this point.

      Thanks for any help.
      • May 20, 2018
  • KoleDunn
    Contributor - Level 2
    2016-11-30

    Hello,

    I have a Voicelive Play, which I recently purchased. I started with a Harmony Singer, and my favorite feature was that I could set it up to activate harmonies while holding down the button under foot, which gave me precise control. Can this be done with the Voicelive Play?

    If not, can I cable the two devices together so that I can still use the Harmony Singer in addition to Voicelive so I can still use the feature?

    Thanks!
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    • KoleDunn
      RalfSchmacker
      Hi Kole,



      You will need the additional Foot Pedal. Switch-3 or Switch-6. There is "momentary harmonies" what you want.



      My setup is after long trials with Switch-6:



      1. 1BtnLooper



      2. LooperStop



      3. Preset down



      4. Preset up



      5. Echo (Guitar)



      6. Harmony moment



      My PA is on a stand, so I can reach it with my fingers. That works perfect! For me







      • December 1, 2016
    • KoleDunn
      KoleDunn
      Thanks Ralf! So I should be OK putting Harmony Singer last in the line...



      Cheers,



      Kole
      • December 1, 2016
  • TC-Nicolaj
    Triber Moderator
    2018-12-21
    Dear forumites! ♥

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    • TC-Nicolaj
      TC-Nicolaj Update from our web ninjas:



      Beginning on February 10th, we will switch http://forum.musictribe.com/ to read-only mode while our programmers tweak the 1’s and 0’s of the forum code.



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      • February 5, 2019
  • CarlBigsby
    Regular Contributor - Level 3
    2015-01-17
    Hi everyone!

    I am new here and I have just bought myself a G-Major 2, but I haven't decided how to connect it to my guitar rig, so here is my first question:

    Do the intelligent pitch shifter track and sound best before the amp or in the loop?
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    • CarlBigsby
      CGFRANKENSTRAT I've got mine in series, out of my Triaxis, into the G Major 2 & then into the 290 power amp. The pitch shifter tracks very well for me.
      • January 18, 2015
    • CarlBigsby
      CarlBigsby

      CGFRANKENSTRAT wrote:

      I've got mine in series, out of my Triaxis, into the G Major 2 & then into the 290 power amp. The pitch shifter tracks very well for me.




      Thanks for the input.



      I quite impressed by the pitch shifter so far. It might actually be good enough to replace my Pitchfactor, now when I am trying to simplify my rig. The idea is to see how many boxes and pedals G-Major 2 can replace in my live rig.



      Triaxis-GM2-290? Isn't that exactly what both Hatfield and Hammet are using live? Nice...
      • January 18, 2015
    • CarlBigsby
      CGFRANKENSTRAT I think, while they are using the Tri, G2 & 290, that's only a small portion of what's happening there. I thought I read they were using Diezels & Randalls too. I think James uses a JC120 for clean stuff. It must be nice to have access to ALL the gear you want as well as other people to move it & set it up for you.
      • January 19, 2015
    • CarlBigsby
      lento

      It might actually be good enough to replace my Pitchfactor.




      If you directly compare the two for the pitchshifted tone, which is most like the original sound ?

      I would have thought the Eventide should be better ......
      • January 19, 2015
    • CarlBigsby
      CarlBigsby

      CGFRANKENSTRAT wrote:

      I think, while they are using the Tri, G2 & 290, that's only a small portion of what's happening there. I thought I read they were using Diezels & Randalls too. I think James uses a JC120 for clean stuff. It must be nice to have access to ALL the gear you want as well as other people to move it & set it up for you.




      I know that they have used JC120 (inspired by The Cult's Billy Duffy) for clean sound, but in these rig presentations it seems like they are using the same rig as you are:



      James' rig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdidWLkd7TI

      Kirk's rig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrlFUwIZvws
      • January 21, 2015
  • cahpnta
    Contributor - Level 1
    2017-06-19
    I run a mono system.
    Is it possible to route each effect to the left or right input/output exclusively, thereby creating 2 mono loops. I'd like to run filter, comp, pitch and maybe modu on the front side of the amp, and the delay and reverb into the effects loop of the amp, like you likely would if you had pedals or separate rack effects.

    My next choice is to buy a second unit, which I'm sure TC would like but my wallet would not, and would then have wasted redundancy.
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    • cahpnta
      Squidmole No, that is not possible with the G-Major. The only unit TC makes that can do this is the G-System.Too bad though as it is a cool feature that should be on all FX processors.
      • June 30, 2017
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