• 2020-08-13

    We have a problem with our Midas Pro2C. When saving a scene in a show file, the channel fader settings are not saved. The faders of the VCA groups, for example, are saved. I.e. If the fader of a channel is up in scene 1, then pulled down to safe a second scene, the channel fader is not raised again when scene 1 is recalles (this works with the VCA faders). The strange thing, however, when the safe scene is recalled, the channels are not reset, the POP groups and VCA groups already ... Recall  and Score Scope is clean ... What are we doing wrong 

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    • Markus Raabe
      David Knighton Hi Markus Raabe. Is it possible that all the channel fader safes are engaged on your console? You can also program the scenes to ignore fader recall in the show editor. I would suggest loading a NEW show, load the SAFE scene, and do a test sequence of 3 scenes or more to determine the cause.
      • Thu at 11:06 AM
    • Markus Raabe
      Markus Raabe Omg channel safes are activated Thank you very much, I think this solves the problem
      • Thu at 11:51 AM
  • 2020-03-16

    Hello all,

        I just received my M32 mixer, and it came with a DN32-Live card to interface to my DAW.  It seems that this may be the place I might request suggestions on what I might need to do to make that work.  If not, and you can suggest a proper place to ask, I would appreciate that.

        So, in general I found some directions for installing the drivers and such for the DN32-USB, which may be part of my issue (or not), though I didn't appreciate that there was a distinction at the time.  I followed the directions to upgrade the M32's firmware to 4.02, and that seemed to complete fine, the M32 is working from what I can tell (I've not tried every option - by far, of course) and sounds great through the mains.

        I then installed the ASIO-Driver v4.59 onto my DAW computer.  I can see the DN32-LIVE in the Device Manager under Sound, video and game controllers.  However looking at the Properties, the Device status says that "This device cannot start [Code 10]".  I've tried computer restarting/power cycling (several times), using different USB ports, trying a different USB cable, to no avail.

        Also, and probably no surprise here, I've tried the DN32USBAudioDfu.exe, which it appears is intended to update firmware on the DN32-LIVE itself, which pops up a "DN32-USB Firmware Upgrade" window, but it says "No device found.  Please plug in the device you want to upgrade".

        In my frustration I even dug out an old Macbook Pro and tried plugging into that (it was suggested that no driver installation would be needed for the Mac - though I wouldn't want to use that computer as my DAW), and that instantly just crashed my Mac upon plugin, and if I powered it up with the DN32 plugged in via USB, it also crashed while trying to boot.  So, some research about that seemed to suggest that my Macbook Pro had "Snow Leopard" on it, which does crash like that, but upgrading to Lion (I think it was - next version up), would make it work.  I haven't yet tried to do the upgrade, since thats not my preferred system for this.  But at least it indicates that some computer can detect and react (by crashing) to the fact that my DN32 is attached - and given the OS installed on that system, it even reacts the way that is expected (though not as desired).

    So I guess the main point of this post is to solicit any suggestions or guidance that could get my M32-Live connected to my Computer (and then get the DAW to see it).  Thanks for any help with this.

    -- Greg

     

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    • Greg Youngdahl
      Rex Beckett

      @Cimarron 


      Hello Greg, welcome to the community.


      First check that the option card is really a DN32-Live. It should have SD card slots as well as a USB connector. With the console power off, remove the card and reinsert - making sure it fits into the guides correctly.


       


      With the console power on, check on Setup -> Card that the card is being recognized. Also check on Setup -> Global under Firmware that the card firmware is A12. If not, you will need to download the A12 firmware and install it.


       


      With everything connected and on, open Windows Device Manager and display the DN32-Live device. Right-click and select Uninstall. Now disconnect the USB and reboot the PC. When you reconnect the USB, the device should be reinstalled - possibly without errors.

      • Mar 16
    • Greg Youngdahl
      Gary Higgins

      @Cimarron 


      I think @RexBeckett has hit the main issue-the DN-32 Live latest firmware is required. Pretty sure you need A12 with mixer firmware 4.02. That can't be done via a computer but by a usb stick on the mixer itself. If mixer firmware version 4.02 is installed already you can try to update the card with the mixer ON by using setup/update/firmware (bottom left of the screen) and then it will let you scroll to the proper update file on the usb drive. If that fails or won't work properly you will have to do it with the mixer off. Make sure the A12 card firmware file is then the ONLY firmware at the root directory with the mixer off method. Other type mixer firmware can be in a folder on the drive but not at the root directory. Turn on the mixer while holding down the usb button, the card firmware should update. You can cofirm the card firmware on the setup page by reading the (very tiny) info given there.


      I might suggest completely uninstalling the drivers and trying again.


      Also perhaps worth a try is usb driver 4.38 which can be found if you check off show legacy versions in the list of available files.


       


      EDIT: There are several known issues with Win7-documented in the pdf.


       


       

      • Mar 16
    • Greg Youngdahl
      Greg Youngdahl

      @GaryHigginsThanks for taking time to reply to my message.


      As I mentioned in my reply to @RexBeckett it looks like the M32 (which has 4.02 firmware)  sees the DN32 card, and is reporting a firmware version of A12.  So, I would assume I could move beyond the firmware installation (or re-installation), or would you think that might still be a potental step to take?


      It seems a reasonable step to try deleting the DN32 driver in Windows Add/Remove programs (after first removing the device again from the device manager), and then reinstalling it.  I've seen stranger things happen.


      Failing that I may look into the 4.38 driver.  Thanks for that information.  And I'll look for the .pdf you refered to.


      Thanks again,


      -- Greg


       

      • Mar 17
    • Greg Youngdahl
      Rex Beckett

      @Cimarron 


      It sounds as though the console is happy with the DN32-Live card and the card is running the latest firmware. I cannot say whether it is worth buying a suitable driver to reseat the card only that it has sometimes fixed problems. It has also been known for reinstallation of the card firmware to apparently fix problems. I've seen it on my own console and cannot explain it. Sometimes there can be a sequence of steps that fix a problem and we don't always identify the actual cause.


       


      There can be several reasons why a USB device cannot start. Common ones are defective USB cables, using a USB 3 port instead of a USB 2.0 one, connecting through a USB hub, incorrect drivers or that the device has a fault. I think you have already tried different cables and ports. It would certainly be worth following Gary's advice to reinstall the driver and, if necessary, trying an older version of the driver.

      • Mar 17
    • Greg Youngdahl
      Greg Youngdahl

      My son brought his macbook down and we connected the USB from the DN32-LIVE to that and he pulled up Logic and it saw the interface and could specify any of the 32 channels as the input device for a channel.  So, it seems pretty apparent that the issue is with my computer.


      I had purchased myself the appropriate screwdriver and removed the DN32-LIVE, and re-installed it.  Just to give that a chance, and overall good to have the screwdriver.  No change.


      I went to try the older 4.38 driver, and in the folder with the driver there is a PDF file TUSBAudio_KnownIssues_v4.38.0.pdf which I looked into and see a section "10.3 AllSignersEqual Group Policy breaks Driver Installation".  Reading about this it sounds like the issue I'm having.  If this is set to OFF somehow (thrugh Group Policy Editor or something), Windows will not actually install the driver although the driver setup finishes successfully.  When it finds the DN32 on the USB port it installs a built in driver "for the respective device which possibly fails to start".  I had noticed that the device manager page that described the DN32 device did say something about a "Microsoft" driver, but I thought that might have been a result of the other issue I'd had to address to even try to install the driver, which involved installing a Windows Update KB3033929 to resolve.  This was apparently due to an issue that the driver wasn't signed (or incorrectly signed or something).


      So, I wanted to check on the setting, but apparently the Windows 7 Home Premium edition on my computer is too lame to have gpedit.msc to start from the run menu (or another thing I saw mentioned gpupdate.msc from an administrator command prompt), which are the tools that are to be used for "Enterprise" versions of Win7, and it did mention that they wouldn't be there if you had Home Premium.  But it didn't mention how to check, or what to do if you do have Home Premium (which I do).


      This sounds like exactly what I'm encountering, If anyone knows about Group Policies on Home Premium (does it even have them?), or perhaps an alternate approach to installing the driver (manually copying some files into place and possibly making a registry entry or such)?  Or perhaps this might already have been resolved, if I only knew where to look or what to search for.

      • Mar 23
  • 2020-08-07

    So I have a very new MR18. Haven't done anything to it really; connected over the built in LAN a few times and that's about all. I recently got a UniFi access point, thinking I could run that off the built in DHCP server, that the MR is supposed to have, without any external router or anything. After a bunch of trying with different switches and stuff, I wasn't able to make any connection. I tried networking the unit directly from the MR to my Surface Book, and the network diagnostic error is that there's no IP lease when the unit is both on DHCP and DHCP server. I don't know how to establish a hardwired network connection because of this, and furthermore I don't know where to go with the wireless solution. All help is appreciated. Thanks.

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    • BenSeaman
      Gary Higgins You need to connect to your Mixer with the switch in the furthest right access point position first. Once connected you can then make changes to other networking settings, ethernet or wifi client. If you are not connected when changes are made they will not “stick” and revert back to what they were at default. Once changes are made while connected you can then move the switch to ethernet or wifi and they should remain.
      • Aug 7
      • MR18 DHCP not functioning
        BenSeaman Yep so I've gotten the built in access point to work no problem. I've configured the mixer in numerous ways to try and let it accept DHCP and host DHCP and all that, including trying statics, and none of it is working, and there's no easy way to tell if it's "sticking" or not - the app doesn't really tell you. So, I don't know where to go from there.
        • Aug 7
      • MR18 DHCP not functioning
        Gary Higgins Unifi routers are fantastic but not always easy to setup and use, I would suspect a setting in there may be amiss. Are you able to access it with other devices ok? If you had easy access to a different router I would suggest trying that to see if it's router or MR that's causing the issues. I will try to dig out my MR and connect to my unifi router and see what my settings are. I can't remember clearly what I did. I don't generally direct connect to it, I use it via wifi. Also have not touched the MR in several months so I'm a bit foggy as to what I did exactly. I am fairly sure I used static ip's and not dhcp
        • Aug 8
      • MR18 DHCP not functioning
        BenSeaman So I can only connect to the MR over the built in access point as of right now. I've tried numerous different things for connecting over ethernet, including the MR being the DHCP server with the computer on DHCP, both on static, and multiple more, and none of them have been able to read properly. I'm guessing it's not a Unifi problem given that I can't hardwire from my computer (tried Surface Book, MacBook Pro and iMac at this point so it can't be computer error) and I've successfully had the AP run off my house network without any issues. I have a Unifi Edge Router coming later which I'll test out, but given that it didn't work with 2 other routers, I have doubts.
        • Aug 8
    • BenSeaman
      Gary Higgins I was able to connect to my Unifi router (AP LR) using the following settings. I used DHCP server to see. I also included my AP and WIFI settings. EDIT: Connected without issue. Also NOT directly connected, MR connected by lan cable to a switch that's is hard wired to the Ubiquiti AP. PC then connects wirelessly to the Ubiquiti network.
      • Aug 8
      • MR18 DHCP not functioning
        BenSeaman Thanks for showing all this, but even with every parameter matched, I'm getting a 169... address on my computer and no read from the M Air app.
        • Aug 8
      • MR18 DHCP not functioning
        BenSeaman Update: so I now have the ubiquiti stuff set up (Edge Router X and AP) and that stuff does work, just the MR still isn't getting an IP on DHCP mode or anything so I'm really curious what the issue is.
        • Aug 8
    • BenSeaman
      David Knighton Hello Ben, are you doing all this from an iPad or Android tablet? Try connecting a PC or MAC to the access point to make changes to the IP settings.
      • Mon at 10:27 AM
  • 2019-06-13

    We have an M32 in our Broadcast TV station and the features are excellent, but we hate having to use up two faders for every stereo source input. I'm wondering if controlling a linked pair of inputs with a single fader might ever be a feature in a future firmware/software update?

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    • David Rice
      Anthonie Hunter

      Did you consider controlling the pair with a DCA?

      • June 13, 2019
    • David Rice
      David Rice

      Using a DCA to control a stereo input is a great idea and I’m using four of them for that purpose currently. We’ve got about 10 stereo sources we’d like to have on single faders. The console has enough inputs for all of our sources, just trying to get the most frequently used ones on the top fader layer. And trying to get my sound ops used to a console that is not our analog 32 channel Verona!  Thanks for the input!

      • June 13, 2019
    • David Rice
      David Rice

      While playing around with the great options that everyone has been suggesting, I stumbled upon another possibility (provided you aren't concerned with keeping stereo separation on a particular input). This solution could also work as a kind of internal router, and works around the "routing in banks of eight only" limitation by allowing the placement of any single input on any fader. 


      Here's the theory (I have't actually tried it yet). Physically patch a cable between an available Aux Output and an XLR input in the 1-16 range (to put it on the first fader bank). Now you can internally route any one of your inputs to that Aux, and it will be available on that first bank's fader. Be sure to send that input prefader and pre-mute, then mute the actual input, so it does not feed the Main output from there. You'll now have full control of that input on the fader you chose, without having to change fader banks to get to it. You could send a stereo pair to that Aux and control it with that single fader (it will be summed mono of course), without burning a DCA or two top bank faders. 


      In our TV studio, we have to occasionally use different sources for different shows, and the mix can be unpredicatable, so having 1 or 2 "route-able" inputs can be really useful to keep the frequently used faders for that show on the top page/bank. We've got a lot of possible inputs from audio clip playback devices, graphics SFX, in-studio guest mics, phone callers, Skype guests and satellite guests, so it's not possible to keep them all on the first fader bank, and the mixer's installation makes it impractical to physically repatch before each show. I can save a scene for each possible scenario and just load the correct one once I know where all my sources are coming from for a particular show. 


      Thanks for all the great advice everyone, and I hope this idea can work for someone who might have been struggling with a similar issue (if it actually works and does not create some kind of audio black hole). 


       

      • June 15, 2019
    • David Rice
      Kevin Maxwell


      @drice wrote:


      While playing around with the great options that everyone has been suggesting, I stumbled upon another possibility (provided you aren't concerned with keeping stereo separation on a particular input). This solution could also work as a kind of internal router, and works around the "routing in banks of eight only" limitation by allowing the placement of any single input on any fader. 


      Here's the theory (I have't actually tried it yet). Physically patch a cable between an available Aux Output and an XLR input in the 1-16 range (to put it on the first fader bank). Now you can internally route any one of your inputs to that Aux, and it will be available on that first bank's fader. Be sure to send that input prefader and pre-mute, then mute the actual input, so it does not feed the Main output from there. You'll now have full control of that input on the fader you chose, without having to change fader banks to get to it. You could send a stereo pair to that Aux and control it with that single fader (it will be summed mono of course), without burning a DCA or two top bank faders. 


      In our TV studio, we have to occasionally use different sources for different shows, and the mix can be unpredicatable, so having 1 or 2 "route-able" inputs can be really useful to keep the frequently used faders for that show on the top page/bank. We've got a lot of possible inputs from audio clip playback devices, graphics SFX, in-studio guest mics, phone callers, Skype guests and satellite guests, so it's not possible to keep them all on the first fader bank, and the mixer's installation makes it impractical to physically repatch before each show. I can save a scene for each possible scenario and just load the correct one once I know where all my sources are coming from for a particular show. 


      Thanks for all the great advice everyone, and I hope this idea can work for someone who might have been struggling with a similar issue (if it actually works and does not create some kind of audio black hole). 


       





      I am not understanding what this will give you unless you are talking about using a Mix Bus to mearge each pair of inputs.

      • June 16, 2019
    • David Rice
      David Rice

      Merging (summing) the stereo inputs to one fader is one possible use, the other is that this allows me to internally route any one of my inputs to the top bank of faders. Sure, I could do this by simply connecting that device to an input that already appears on the top layer, but the connections on the back of our mixer are not easily accessible, and depending on what sources we are using for a show, I might want to quickly place something on a top level fader that does not usually appear there. Some other mixers allow you to do this on an single input basis, but the M32 locks you into routing inputs to faders in banks of eight. 

      • June 17, 2019
  • 2020-01-01

    Hi, I'm looking at these 2 consoles as options to add to my RCF speaker system. I'm aware the fx processing of the X32 does not compensate for latency. I'm looking for the story behind the fx in each. 

    Are they identical processors? 

    Does latency mean much in smaller rooms? I don't have a large rig. 2 RCF 708 subs and 2 RCF 745A cabs for front. Thanks very much, Shep

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    • John Shepherd
      Paul Vannatto

      Hi John @JohnShepherd ,


      The FX engine is identical in the X32, M32, X-Air and M-Air family of consoles.


       

      • Jan 1
    • John Shepherd
      Kevin Maxwell


      @JohnShepherd wrote:


      Hi, I'm looking at these 2 consoles as options to add to my RCF speaker system. I'm aware the fx processing of the X32 does not compensate for latency. I'm looking for the story behind the fx in each. 


      Are they identical processors? 


      Does latency mean much in smaller rooms? I don't have a large rig. 2 RCF 708 subs and 2 RCF 745A cabs for front. Thanks very much, Shep





      The way that the consoles that compensate for latency work is they add delay to everything to keep everything in line. So you have more overall latency in your system. The only problem with not having this is if you send the same signal thru 2 different paths (with one of them going thru an FX)  and then combine them, one of them will be out of time with the other one. That is not good.


       


      So it is like the old joke – a guy comes into the doctor wildly waving his arm above his head and says – Doctor it hurts when I do this and the doctor replies – then don’t do that.


       


      So don’t route the same signal thru 2 different paths and then combine then. At least not without testing to see if they are still time aligned.


       


      And here is a little hint if you have never tried it, add a little bit of delay to your feed to your main speakers so they are time aligned with the acoustic signal coming off of the stage. And then try turning that delay on and off and see if it helps. I always time align my sound systems to the stage and it makes it much smoother sounding in the house. I like to say that with it delayed the speakers have a tendency to disappear and with the delay off you notice the sound coming out of the speakers instead of it sounding like it is coming from the stage.


       

      • Jan 1
  • 2019-06-06

    I prefer using matrixes. However, unless I link them together I can't send Main left to Matrix Left. If there a way to mute just the left or just the right channel without un linking them?

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    • Michael Rizzo
      Rex Beckett

      @Mrizzo94 


      Hi Michael, welcome to the forum.


       


      You cannot normally mute one side of stereo linked channels or buses. Why do you want to do this? There may be another way to achieve what you want.

      • June 6, 2019
  • 2019-12-24

    With an M32C connected to a DL16 and S16 over AES50 (not daisy chained), can the mix busses be routed to the DL16/S16 XLR outputs?  

    I have routed the 16 Outs to the 8 XLR outputs on the DL16 and S16. I can successfully send signals from the Main L/R/MC to the Outs and demonstrate it make it to each XLR output. I can also connect the Directs to the Out and demonstrate it makes it through. However when I direct a mix bus to the Outs like shown in the attached file, nothing makes it through to the DL16/S16. The meters also verify that nothing is being sent. If the Outs are also mapped to the Ultranet outputs, the meters show it make it to the Ultranet output but not the XLRs.  What am I missing? 

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    • Don Morrier
      Craig Fowler

      What you've shown of the routing looks fine, but there could be more to it.  Upload your whole scene file.  Have you checked that the bus masters are up, and that they're not muted, both with their own master mutes and via mute groups\DCAs?

      • December 23, 2019
    • Don Morrier
      Gary Higgins

      @dmorrier The answer is yes. I would check your aes50 outputs menu and make sure "out 1-8" and "out 9-16" are set correctly for the aes50a 1-8 and/or aes50b 1-8 outputs and that both stageboxes are set to the right mode (probably both at mode 1). Your pic shows you are using post fader tap points so as Craig alluded to, make sure the faders are up and unmuted. Bottom line though is mix busses can surely be routed to the DL/S16 outputs. That assignment is done via the aes50a or b output routing menu. Make sure the DL/S16 is connected via its A port. Also what tap point are you using for direct out of the ultranet. Try using the same post fader MIXBUS assignments for the ultranet and check your meters to see if the signal no longer appears. That would indicate that it is a fader issue.

      • December 23, 2019
  • 2020-02-03

    I'm not sure where to report it, so I'll try here - I've found a bug (pretty dramatically, during a show) in firmware 4.02.  

    Using the new block User Input patch in 4.02, and a channel safed, head amp gain is not retained during a scene recall.  All other channel parameters appear to correctly retain their values.  I've tried changing scenes with input patch set to Local, and AES50, and the channel safe behaves as expected (input gain stays put).  But with User Input patches, gain is not sticking.

    Using a DL32 head box on AES50a, if that matters.

    Hopefully it can be fixed in the next update.  

     

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  • 2020-07-13
    Hi, Want to upgrade our P16s to 8 DP48s. We have a DL32 connected to AES50 port A. Can I connect AES50 port B to a 12 port POE switch and send the signal from the switch to each DP48? Will this work? Basically this is the way the P16s work except that the switch is connected to the Ultranet port. Thanks for your help. Marcos Sebastian
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    •  Marcos Sebastian
      Rex Beckett AES50 will not pass through an Ethernet switch. You could either daisy-chain the DP48s on a single AES50 line or wait until the Hub4 is available.
      • Jul 13
      • Midas DP48 connection options
        Marcos Sebastian Thank you Rex. I will daisy chain for now until the Hub is available. Thanks again for the clarification.
        • Jul 13
      • Midas DP48 connection options
        Gary Higgins You can use power injectors though, there are several that work.
        • Jul 13
    •  Marcos Sebastian
      Josh Gibson Like others have mentioned, a POE switch will not work as it will not interpret the AES50 data correctly. You can use a POE injector to power them up. But each DP48 will not pass through the power because of the current handling limitations. So what you need to do is put a POE injector before each DP48. We did this by installing a 12 Port POE injector in our system rack behind the stage. Then I ran (2) Cat5E shielded cables to each floor pocket under the stage. So I run from Wing FOH to the POE injector Data port 1, then from POE port 1 out to the DP48 via floor pocket. Then back from the DP48 to POE injector Data port 2, and then just follow that pattern. This allows me to power up (4) DP48's and have just (2) Cat5E cables to each unit. No power supplies at unit, and no output cables. I get my output back from the DP48 to the Wing then route it so the D32 stagebox output, then route that output to my Wireless IEM transmitters for a stereo IEM feed. Its been working great. Total cable length is over 700ft. Longest single length is 205ft from FOH to rack. Then about 65-75 ft to each floor pocket.
      • Jul 23
      • Midas DP48 connection options
        Gary Higgins Nice Josh, I have an 8 port injector and 2 singles that work nicely, I only have 2 dp48's so far. I tested my poe with a 160 foot cat7 and they worked perfectly. I plan on using Cat7 or 8 for all my stage runs for the main benefit of flexibility, they behave more like mic cable than not. Then you also get great shielding on top. I have not really done any meaningful stage setups....I have no work! By the time the Hub hits the USA maybe this pandemic is by us....and I will eventually get one. Nice to have options though and it kept me busy experimenting! That and Stand alone use.
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    •  Marcos Sebastian
      Marcos Sebastian Josh / Gary, thanks for the detailed information regarding your setup. I installed 7 DP48s daisy-chained and they are working fine but the cabling is not pretty and if one of the middle devices is off, the others won't get the signal. I will try the POE injectors. Can you share which specific models switch / injectors you are using? Thanks again for your help.
      • Jul 24
      • Midas DP48 connection options
        Josh Gibson We bought ours on Amazon. It is PoE Texas Brand. It is a this one: WS-GPOE-12-48v60w gigabit Passive 12 Port Power Over Ethernet Injector POE with 48 Volt 60 watt for 802.3af Devices
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        • Jul 24
    •  Marcos Sebastian
      Marcos Sebastian Thanks again Josh. I will look into these items...
      • Jul 24
    •  Marcos Sebastian
      Gary Higgins I also have PoE Texas brand devices. I can't find my actual model of power supply. It says Model No WT5601200 on it and outputs 56V. You need at least 48v output to power DP48's. The Hub4 outputs 52V, 25 watts. My injectors are:

      https://www.amazon.com/WT-GPOE-8B-Ethernet-Injector-Ubiquiti-Mikrotik/dp/B077PDRLLL


      https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Injector-Combines-PoE-Connector/dp/B00EBCGJVW/ref=sr_1_56?crid=E56XNYT3XKE8&dchild=1&keywords=poe+texas+injector&qid=1595621306&sprefix=poe+texas+%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-56
      • Jul 24
      • Midas DP48 connection options
        Marcos Sebastian Thank you Gary! I appreciate it!
        • Jul 24
  • 2019-06-10

    Hi Guys,

    I'm looking to move up from my XR18 to either an X32 rack or a Midas M32C and the simple question is are the Behringer SD8/SD16 stageboxes compatible with the M32C or do I have to get the Midas DL stageboxes?

    Thanks in advance

    Rik

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    • Rik Rayner
      Paul Vannatto

      Hi Rik @RikRayner,


      Yes the SD8 and SD16 will work with the M32C. But you don't gain much of the "Midas" touch that way. The M32C has the identical DSP engine as the X32 models. The difference is in the Midas preamps and outputs, which in the case of the M32C would be in the stagebox(s). You would be far better ahead to get an X32 Rack with an SD8 (or 2) or an SD16 IMO.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Rik Rayner

      Hi Paul,


      thanks for the confirmation.  I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Paul Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8





      Yes its also a shame that they discontinued the X32 Core (the Behringer equivalent of the M32C). But to me the real shame is that they didn't produce a Midas equivalent to the X32 Rack. The reason is that there is a significant difference with the Midas Pro preamps and outputs (over the Behringer Midas designed).


       


      Yes there is a space advantage of the 1U form factor, but at the expense of the flexibility of the inputs/outputs. As you probably know, I use a dual X32 Rack with and SD8 and SD18 setup. A couple of years ago (this Aug) I was setting up for a Chicago tribute band when we got hit with 4 downpours during setup/soundcheck. I had the SD16 at the back of the stage to handle the drums and backline and it got a bit wet (due to the horizontal driving rain). The results was that it was showing signals where there was nothing plugged in. Their sound engineer shared his concern and I quickly wheeled one of the Racks to the back of the stage, configured it as an S16, repatched - and we were back in business in about 10 minutes. The other Rack was used as the main mixer, situated at one end of the stage and took care of the MC wireless mics and and opening act (since we were using all 24 inputs of the stageboxes for the main act). If I had a choice between an M32C and X32 Rack, I'd still choose the Rack.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Rik Rayner

      Hi Paul,


      I can see that by taking the X32 rack I have a backup option of hardwiring into the desk in the event of a stagebox failure.  We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Paul Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??





      You've never exceeded because you didn't have a choice  Just wait...


       


      If I had only a choice between an SD16 or 2 SD8's, I'd choose the 2 SD8's. It gives you 8 more outputs, plus it gives more flexibility of positioning at stage front/back or left/right, reducing the cable spaghetti.

      • June 10, 2019