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  • ElsaObenza
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-29

    I am using a Midas 32R. Input 9 seems to be the only working channel when I plug in an SM58. The other working channels are wireless recivers programmed into Inputs 1 and 2. 

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    • ElsaObenza
      GaryHiggins Perhaps you can post your scene/setup using Dropbox or similar, or explain your routing with a bit more detail.
      • September 29, 2020
    • ElsaObenza
      DavidKnighton Hello Elsa Obenza,
      As Gary suggests, if you could drop your current scene in a share folder and provide the link here, then we can investigate any potential routing errors. With the variety of routing options for the M32 consoles, there's a number of ways you can get tripped up if you're not familiar with how to look for them. You can start by checking the HOME/INPUTS tab in ROUTING menu. The LOCAL inputs will be from the rear of the console. AES50 inputs will be from a stage box.
      • September 30, 2020
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    DannyKurywchak
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-09-01

    I have an M32C with a DL32 with a split snake always connected in the rack.  I had my vocalist over to play back the last gig to enhance his sounds of his IEM's because he just bought new molds.  We all run in stereo and It's weird, I all of a sudden can't get Bus 3 to respond to fader moves. I moved him to Bus 11 and it works fine.  Fader moves appear on screen but audibly makes no difference in Bus 3.  Can someone please review my attached scene to see what is possibly wrong?

    We use this setup for FOH with our IEMS and also when a venue has their own PA system we use this rack with our split snake just for IEMS only.  Should I have a different scene for each use case?  Meaning a differnt pre/post settings?

    If anyone sees anything else I should be doing on this scene to improve our experience it would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Danny K 


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    • DannyKurywchak
      Paul_Vannatto Bus 3/4 stereo pair master faders are all the way down and muted. Bus 11/12 stereo pair master faders are at -.4 and not muted. All routing is correct.
      • Sep 1
    • DannyKurywchak
      DannyKurywchak Thanks so much Paul! Sometimes we look for complex problems to simple issues! I obviously missed that one and really appreciate you taking the time to point out the issue.
      • Sep 1
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    GuillaumeDESBOI
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-11-27

    Hello,

    I noticed that a snippet won't consider "main stereo" affectation on channels, even with all parameters in the snippets menu selected.

    That'would be great help to be able to have this feature activated.

    (FW4.04)

     

    Guillaume

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    • GuillaumeDESBOI
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Guillaume, I just saved (and exported) a test snippet (using the M32-Edit snippet GUI) with Fader, Pan and Mute filters and a few channels selected, and it saves those settings correctly.
      • November 27, 2020
    • GuillaumeDESBOI
      Paul_Vannatto I just loaded that snippet and you are correct, it is not changing the Main LR assignment. I will report that to the developers.
      • November 27, 2020
      • M32R snippets
        GuillaumeDESBOI Great, thanks Paul!
        • November 27, 2020
      • M32R snippets
        Paul_Vannatto I was just discussing this with one of the developers and I was incorrect in stating that it saved the LR in the snippet. The /ch/01/mix/on OSC line is the channel mute, not the LR. To save the LR setting, it needs the /ch/01/mix/st command which is not available using the console or Edit snippet GUI. But it is available if the snippet is exported to a file, the edited using a text editor, then imported back to the snippet list. The line would be something like this:
        /ch/01/mix/st ON
        or
        /ch/01/mix/st OFF
        • November 27, 2020
      • M32R snippets
        GuillaumeDESBOI Thank you very much Paul, I'll try to modify that!
        • November 27, 2020
      • M32R snippets
        GuillaumeDESBOI Worked pretty well, thanks again!
        • November 28, 2020
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    Midas
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-10-20

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  • Cimarron
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-16

    Hello all,

        I just received my M32 mixer, and it came with a DN32-Live card to interface to my DAW.  It seems that this may be the place I might request suggestions on what I might need to do to make that work.  If not, and you can suggest a proper place to ask, I would appreciate that.

        So, in general I found some directions for installing the drivers and such for the DN32-USB, which may be part of my issue (or not), though I didn't appreciate that there was a distinction at the time.  I followed the directions to upgrade the M32's firmware to 4.02, and that seemed to complete fine, the M32 is working from what I can tell (I've not tried every option - by far, of course) and sounds great through the mains.

        I then installed the ASIO-Driver v4.59 onto my DAW computer.  I can see the DN32-LIVE in the Device Manager under Sound, video and game controllers.  However looking at the Properties, the Device status says that "This device cannot start [Code 10]".  I've tried computer restarting/power cycling (several times), using different USB ports, trying a different USB cable, to no avail.

        Also, and probably no surprise here, I've tried the DN32USBAudioDfu.exe, which it appears is intended to update firmware on the DN32-LIVE itself, which pops up a "DN32-USB Firmware Upgrade" window, but it says "No device found.  Please plug in the device you want to upgrade".

        In my frustration I even dug out an old Macbook Pro and tried plugging into that (it was suggested that no driver installation would be needed for the Mac - though I wouldn't want to use that computer as my DAW), and that instantly just crashed my Mac upon plugin, and if I powered it up with the DN32 plugged in via USB, it also crashed while trying to boot.  So, some research about that seemed to suggest that my Macbook Pro had "Snow Leopard" on it, which does crash like that, but upgrading to Lion (I think it was - next version up), would make it work.  I haven't yet tried to do the upgrade, since thats not my preferred system for this.  But at least it indicates that some computer can detect and react (by crashing) to the fact that my DN32 is attached - and given the OS installed on that system, it even reacts the way that is expected (though not as desired).

    So I guess the main point of this post is to solicit any suggestions or guidance that could get my M32-Live connected to my Computer (and then get the DAW to see it).  Thanks for any help with this.

    -- Greg

     

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    • Cimarron
      RexBeckett

      @Cimarron 


      Hello Greg, welcome to the community.


      First check that the option card is really a DN32-Live. It should have SD card slots as well as a USB connector. With the console power off, remove the card and reinsert - making sure it fits into the guides correctly.


       


      With the console power on, check on Setup -> Card that the card is being recognized. Also check on Setup -> Global under Firmware that the card firmware is A12. If not, you will need to download the A12 firmware and install it.


       


      With everything connected and on, open Windows Device Manager and display the DN32-Live device. Right-click and select Uninstall. Now disconnect the USB and reboot the PC. When you reconnect the USB, the device should be reinstalled - possibly without errors.

      • March 16, 2020
    • Cimarron
      GaryHiggins

      @Cimarron 


      I think @RexBeckett has hit the main issue-the DN-32 Live latest firmware is required. Pretty sure you need A12 with mixer firmware 4.02. That can't be done via a computer but by a usb stick on the mixer itself. If mixer firmware version 4.02 is installed already you can try to update the card with the mixer ON by using setup/update/firmware (bottom left of the screen) and then it will let you scroll to the proper update file on the usb drive. If that fails or won't work properly you will have to do it with the mixer off. Make sure the A12 card firmware file is then the ONLY firmware at the root directory with the mixer off method. Other type mixer firmware can be in a folder on the drive but not at the root directory. Turn on the mixer while holding down the usb button, the card firmware should update. You can cofirm the card firmware on the setup page by reading the (very tiny) info given there.


      I might suggest completely uninstalling the drivers and trying again.


      Also perhaps worth a try is usb driver 4.38 which can be found if you check off show legacy versions in the list of available files.


       


      EDIT: There are several known issues with Win7-documented in the pdf.


       


       

      • March 16, 2020
    • Cimarron
      Cimarron

      @GaryHigginsThanks for taking time to reply to my message.


      As I mentioned in my reply to @RexBeckett it looks like the M32 (which has 4.02 firmware)  sees the DN32 card, and is reporting a firmware version of A12.  So, I would assume I could move beyond the firmware installation (or re-installation), or would you think that might still be a potental step to take?


      It seems a reasonable step to try deleting the DN32 driver in Windows Add/Remove programs (after first removing the device again from the device manager), and then reinstalling it.  I've seen stranger things happen.


      Failing that I may look into the 4.38 driver.  Thanks for that information.  And I'll look for the .pdf you refered to.


      Thanks again,


      -- Greg


       

      • March 17, 2020
    • Cimarron
      RexBeckett

      @Cimarron 


      It sounds as though the console is happy with the DN32-Live card and the card is running the latest firmware. I cannot say whether it is worth buying a suitable driver to reseat the card only that it has sometimes fixed problems. It has also been known for reinstallation of the card firmware to apparently fix problems. I've seen it on my own console and cannot explain it. Sometimes there can be a sequence of steps that fix a problem and we don't always identify the actual cause.


       


      There can be several reasons why a USB device cannot start. Common ones are defective USB cables, using a USB 3 port instead of a USB 2.0 one, connecting through a USB hub, incorrect drivers or that the device has a fault. I think you have already tried different cables and ports. It would certainly be worth following Gary's advice to reinstall the driver and, if necessary, trying an older version of the driver.

      • March 17, 2020
    • Cimarron
      Cimarron

      My son brought his macbook down and we connected the USB from the DN32-LIVE to that and he pulled up Logic and it saw the interface and could specify any of the 32 channels as the input device for a channel.  So, it seems pretty apparent that the issue is with my computer.


      I had purchased myself the appropriate screwdriver and removed the DN32-LIVE, and re-installed it.  Just to give that a chance, and overall good to have the screwdriver.  No change.


      I went to try the older 4.38 driver, and in the folder with the driver there is a PDF file TUSBAudio_KnownIssues_v4.38.0.pdf which I looked into and see a section "10.3 AllSignersEqual Group Policy breaks Driver Installation".  Reading about this it sounds like the issue I'm having.  If this is set to OFF somehow (thrugh Group Policy Editor or something), Windows will not actually install the driver although the driver setup finishes successfully.  When it finds the DN32 on the USB port it installs a built in driver "for the respective device which possibly fails to start".  I had noticed that the device manager page that described the DN32 device did say something about a "Microsoft" driver, but I thought that might have been a result of the other issue I'd had to address to even try to install the driver, which involved installing a Windows Update KB3033929 to resolve.  This was apparently due to an issue that the driver wasn't signed (or incorrectly signed or something).


      So, I wanted to check on the setting, but apparently the Windows 7 Home Premium edition on my computer is too lame to have gpedit.msc to start from the run menu (or another thing I saw mentioned gpupdate.msc from an administrator command prompt), which are the tools that are to be used for "Enterprise" versions of Win7, and it did mention that they wouldn't be there if you had Home Premium.  But it didn't mention how to check, or what to do if you do have Home Premium (which I do).


      This sounds like exactly what I'm encountering, If anyone knows about Group Policies on Home Premium (does it even have them?), or perhaps an alternate approach to installing the driver (manually copying some files into place and possibly making a registry entry or such)?  Or perhaps this might already have been resolved, if I only knew where to look or what to search for.

      • March 23, 2020
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    GuillaumeDESBOI
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-11-27

    Hello, Talkback activation isn't saved with scene memory on M32R, that would be great if we could activate that feature.

    Regards,

    Guillaume

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    • GuillaumeDESBOI
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Guillaume, I just saved and exported a scene (using M32-Edit) and it does include the talkback in the scene file (lines 11-13).
      • November 27, 2020
    • GuillaumeDESBOI
      GuillaumeDESBOI Hi Paul, yes it may work on M32-edit but the enable button in the M32-edit and M32 screen menu aren't correlated with the hardware button on the desk.
      • November 27, 2020
      • M32R talkback in memory scenes
        Paul_Vannatto Is there a particular reason why you would want that saved? To me it doesn't make sense to save that status in a scene file.
        • November 27, 2020
      • M32R talkback in memory scenes
        Paul_Vannatto Doing a bit more digging, and referring to Patrick's OSC Protocol doc, the talkback button status uses a /-stat/talk OSC command. None of the /-prefs or /-stat commands can be included in scene files (I've tried to add them manually). So this won't be possible. Sorry.
        • November 27, 2020
      • M32R talkback in memory scenes
        Paul_Vannatto There is a workaround, Guillaume. You could create a snippet with the desired /-stat/talk command and import it to the snippet list. Then create a cue to combine the scene and snippet to change all desired settings.
        • November 27, 2020
    • GuillaumeDESBOI
      GuillaumeDESBOI Hi, the idea was to have the session loaded with TB activated because there is a already a switch on the remote mic panel. Thank for the workaround I'll try to check this.
      • November 27, 2020
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    Pauldouglas68
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-06-19

    Hi need help can’t find app for mr18 edit app for Samsung tablet

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    • Pauldouglas68
      Paul_Vannatto Search for Mixing Station and get the X-Air version. The Pro version is well worth the small cost IMO.
      • Jun 19
  • drice
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-13

    We have an M32 in our Broadcast TV station and the features are excellent, but we hate having to use up two faders for every stereo source input. I'm wondering if controlling a linked pair of inputs with a single fader might ever be a feature in a future firmware/software update?

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    • drice
      AnthonieHunter

      Did you consider controlling the pair with a DCA?

      • June 13, 2019
    • drice
      drice

      Using a DCA to control a stereo input is a great idea and I’m using four of them for that purpose currently. We’ve got about 10 stereo sources we’d like to have on single faders. The console has enough inputs for all of our sources, just trying to get the most frequently used ones on the top fader layer. And trying to get my sound ops used to a console that is not our analog 32 channel Verona!  Thanks for the input!

      • June 13, 2019
    • drice
      drice

      While playing around with the great options that everyone has been suggesting, I stumbled upon another possibility (provided you aren't concerned with keeping stereo separation on a particular input). This solution could also work as a kind of internal router, and works around the "routing in banks of eight only" limitation by allowing the placement of any single input on any fader. 


      Here's the theory (I have't actually tried it yet). Physically patch a cable between an available Aux Output and an XLR input in the 1-16 range (to put it on the first fader bank). Now you can internally route any one of your inputs to that Aux, and it will be available on that first bank's fader. Be sure to send that input prefader and pre-mute, then mute the actual input, so it does not feed the Main output from there. You'll now have full control of that input on the fader you chose, without having to change fader banks to get to it. You could send a stereo pair to that Aux and control it with that single fader (it will be summed mono of course), without burning a DCA or two top bank faders. 


      In our TV studio, we have to occasionally use different sources for different shows, and the mix can be unpredicatable, so having 1 or 2 "route-able" inputs can be really useful to keep the frequently used faders for that show on the top page/bank. We've got a lot of possible inputs from audio clip playback devices, graphics SFX, in-studio guest mics, phone callers, Skype guests and satellite guests, so it's not possible to keep them all on the first fader bank, and the mixer's installation makes it impractical to physically repatch before each show. I can save a scene for each possible scenario and just load the correct one once I know where all my sources are coming from for a particular show. 


      Thanks for all the great advice everyone, and I hope this idea can work for someone who might have been struggling with a similar issue (if it actually works and does not create some kind of audio black hole). 


       

      • June 15, 2019
    • drice
      KevinMaxwell


      @drice wrote:


      While playing around with the great options that everyone has been suggesting, I stumbled upon another possibility (provided you aren't concerned with keeping stereo separation on a particular input). This solution could also work as a kind of internal router, and works around the "routing in banks of eight only" limitation by allowing the placement of any single input on any fader. 


      Here's the theory (I have't actually tried it yet). Physically patch a cable between an available Aux Output and an XLR input in the 1-16 range (to put it on the first fader bank). Now you can internally route any one of your inputs to that Aux, and it will be available on that first bank's fader. Be sure to send that input prefader and pre-mute, then mute the actual input, so it does not feed the Main output from there. You'll now have full control of that input on the fader you chose, without having to change fader banks to get to it. You could send a stereo pair to that Aux and control it with that single fader (it will be summed mono of course), without burning a DCA or two top bank faders. 


      In our TV studio, we have to occasionally use different sources for different shows, and the mix can be unpredicatable, so having 1 or 2 "route-able" inputs can be really useful to keep the frequently used faders for that show on the top page/bank. We've got a lot of possible inputs from audio clip playback devices, graphics SFX, in-studio guest mics, phone callers, Skype guests and satellite guests, so it's not possible to keep them all on the first fader bank, and the mixer's installation makes it impractical to physically repatch before each show. I can save a scene for each possible scenario and just load the correct one once I know where all my sources are coming from for a particular show. 


      Thanks for all the great advice everyone, and I hope this idea can work for someone who might have been struggling with a similar issue (if it actually works and does not create some kind of audio black hole). 


       





      I am not understanding what this will give you unless you are talking about using a Mix Bus to mearge each pair of inputs.

      • June 16, 2019
    • drice
      drice

      Merging (summing) the stereo inputs to one fader is one possible use, the other is that this allows me to internally route any one of my inputs to the top bank of faders. Sure, I could do this by simply connecting that device to an input that already appears on the top layer, but the connections on the back of our mixer are not easily accessible, and depending on what sources we are using for a show, I might want to quickly place something on a top level fader that does not usually appear there. Some other mixers allow you to do this on an single input basis, but the M32 locks you into routing inputs to faders in banks of eight. 

      • June 17, 2019
  • DjChamacoEnriqueAparicio
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-10-28

    Can anyone help please. I have try and trybto play music from an usb from my rx16 and it kind of wants to start and stops right away. I have put songs in wav format and they all do the same. It never plays any songs. 

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    • DjChamacoEnriqueAparicio
      Paul_Vannatto I'm not familiar with the RX16. Are you meaning the Behringer RX1602?
      • October 27, 2020
    • DjChamacoEnriqueAparicio
      john0121 If you mean the XR16 then you would need to make sure your USB stick is formatted to FAT32, best to format using a PC as we have seen problem when formatted with Mac. Also make sure that the sample rate of the Wav files matches the clock rate of the mixer. You can change this under Setup> Audio/Midi.
      • October 28, 2020
  • JohnShepherd
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-01-01

    Hi, I'm looking at these 2 consoles as options to add to my RCF speaker system. I'm aware the fx processing of the X32 does not compensate for latency. I'm looking for the story behind the fx in each. 

    Are they identical processors? 

    Does latency mean much in smaller rooms? I don't have a large rig. 2 RCF 708 subs and 2 RCF 745A cabs for front. Thanks very much, Shep

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    • JohnShepherd
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi John @JohnShepherd ,


      The FX engine is identical in the X32, M32, X-Air and M-Air family of consoles.


       

      • January 1, 2020
    • JohnShepherd
      KevinMaxwell


      @JohnShepherd wrote:


      Hi, I'm looking at these 2 consoles as options to add to my RCF speaker system. I'm aware the fx processing of the X32 does not compensate for latency. I'm looking for the story behind the fx in each. 


      Are they identical processors? 


      Does latency mean much in smaller rooms? I don't have a large rig. 2 RCF 708 subs and 2 RCF 745A cabs for front. Thanks very much, Shep





      The way that the consoles that compensate for latency work is they add delay to everything to keep everything in line. So you have more overall latency in your system. The only problem with not having this is if you send the same signal thru 2 different paths (with one of them going thru an FX)  and then combine them, one of them will be out of time with the other one. That is not good.


       


      So it is like the old joke – a guy comes into the doctor wildly waving his arm above his head and says – Doctor it hurts when I do this and the doctor replies – then don’t do that.


       


      So don’t route the same signal thru 2 different paths and then combine then. At least not without testing to see if they are still time aligned.


       


      And here is a little hint if you have never tried it, add a little bit of delay to your feed to your main speakers so they are time aligned with the acoustic signal coming off of the stage. And then try turning that delay on and off and see if it helps. I always time align my sound systems to the stage and it makes it much smoother sounding in the house. I like to say that with it delayed the speakers have a tendency to disappear and with the delay off you notice the sound coming out of the speakers instead of it sounding like it is coming from the stage.


       

      • January 1, 2020
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