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  • vmorgan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-14

    Hello,

    I've posted previously about having an issue with seeing the channel names broadcasted to the DP48 while using an SD8 with the Behringer X32 Compact. The community has helped with understanding the AES50 A & B streams. However, I still need help from the community to answer this question.

    Should the DP48 see the broadcasted channel names when connected to an SD series digital snake or should I be using the S or DL series digital snakes?

    What I've experienced is that the DP48 does not see the broadcasted channel name but does get the same channel setup and audio from the AES50 A side the snake box is setup on. When the DP48 is directly connected to a separate AES50 port on the mixer and NOT through the SD snake box, all the channel names are received including real-time name changes.  I've experienced this on the X32 Compact and WING mixers using the SD8 and SD16 stage boxes. 

    Tribal help is greatly appreciated.

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    • vmorgan
      GaryHiggins Did you try going to the DP48 first, and then on from the thru port to the SD? Just a thought, I sort of recall that being said way back when. Or use them on a separate aes50 line. I’ve only scratched the DP surface so others may have better info. Also what firmware for the DP? Lots fixed either the most recent one.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan No I haven't tried connecting the DP48 first and then coming off the B port of the DP48 to the SD16. The DP48 has been updated to v1.5.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Ok, you also use the setup within the X32? Firmware there is also the latest?
        • September 14, 2020
    • vmorgan
      vmorgan Yes the X32 had the latest firmware. Now using the Behringer Wing mixer with the most recently released update.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins My Wing is on its way to be repaired (ghost touches) so I can't try it out but it may be a bug you have found. How about just dedicating one port for only DP48 use? Again I recall that being suggested in another thread as a solution in past firmware...or it was in my dreams!
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Yeah I read that thread back in June/July. That's the plan, but it requires two long runs of Cat6 ethercon cable to be ran.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Paul V. may be able to help out, he has worked with the DP48's for quite a while now. He will know if its possible or not yet implemented. Yes the extra cat run can be problematic. I would try the DP48 as the first connection for sure, no harm no foul.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Confirmed, it works going to the DP48 first and then to the SD16. It's just odd that you can't see the names the other way around.
        • September 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      AndreasKormann Did you also update the firmware of the SD16? Because I had an issue with S16 on old firmware.
      • December 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Vijay, if you are not seeing the channels on the DP48 when having the stagebox placed in between the console and the DP48, you need to update the firmware of that stagebox (eg. SD16). There was a bug that was fixed in the latest firmware update.
      • December 15, 2020
  • kevonavitch
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-07-25

    On my old Behringer P16Ms, I could assign signals from channels post EQ. With the DP48, when I'm assigning the channels using AES50, I am guessing I am tapping the raw signal from source probably after gain but pre effects. I figured I could still tap the 16 channels from Ultranet to get post-eq settings. And it looks like I can tap another 8 via the Aux Out assign (assuming I don't need the physical/digital outs).

    Does that mean I'm limited to tapping 24 channels post EQ? Or am I missing some optionality for routing signals post effects.

    Thanks!   

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    • kevonavitch
      GaryHiggins Hi Kevin, you also have outputs 1-16, so its 38. 16,16 and 6 if dealing with an X/M32. It's a little worse with a Wing as you can only get post effects sends by using the "User" menu which is limited to 24 ch's
      • July 25, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 - Tapping monitor signal post EQ
        kevonavitch Thought I'd replied but I don't see it here.

        I hadn't thought of the Outs 1-16. Obvious oversight! Thanks for that, Gary. We're using 12 of the outs for monitors, matrix/crossover outs but that gives us another 4. Cheers!
        • July 25, 2020
  • AJC3708
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-10-28

    Looking for thoughts and reccomendations for a wireless in ear monitor system to use with an X-Air 16. What seems to work and what doesn't? The venues are intimate spaces but with nicer weather they often want to move outdoors which makes it difficult for performers to hear.

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    • AJC3708
      Paul_Vannatto Hi AJ, I got the Carvin EM900 system for a tribute band lead singer last summer and she loved it.
      • October 28, 2020
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    RevPaThomas
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-26

    Hope you guys are well. I am having the weirdest issue with 1 of our DP48s. We are connecting them via HUB4.  For the most part, the system is work well.  We have 1-DP48 that is making a wierd digital noise.  It's only comes from 1 routed channel & that channel is not making that noise on the other 3 DP48 units.  Very strange.  Anyone else experience any weirdness like this?

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    • RevPaThomas
      Nigel67 Hi, this unit sounds faulty and needs repairing. Have you tried plugging it directly to the mixer to see if the problem still persists? If so, then I would say it is faulty. You could try re-upgrading the unit to see if that fixes the issue. It could be corrupt software. If it is under 30 days old, then you can go back to the store that you purchased it from and claim a replacement under DOA, or if over 30 days, please click on the Support Tab at the top of the page. In the new page that opens, scroll down and submit a Service ticket.
      • Jan 26
    • RevPaThomas
      GaryHiggins You might also try factory reset. To reset the DP48 to factory default. Select the Setup and SD Record buttons simultaneously. Then select the Reset. Set it up again like it was previously. Do they all have the most recent firmware? I think 1.9 from Dec 2020.
      • Jan 27
  • AndreasKormann
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-09-16

    Can someone please enlighten me on the new talkback functionality of the Hub4 in connection with the DB48? 
    The "documentation" says that there should be a LED indication when "MIC-function" is used. So this leads to two questions: where should the light appear, and what does Mic-function use mean? When the MIC button of one of the connected DP48s is pressed and held, or only when it's pressed?

    Although I am a technician, I'm not sure if I read the routing sheet well: Where does the talkback signal go? Only to other connected DP48s (as channel 48 overwriting the channel 16 of P16) or also to the desk?

    Thanks in advance

    Andy from Austria

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    • AndreasKormann
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Andreas, not sure what the Mic-function LED is reference to. But here is how the new Talkback function works. When you press and hold the Mic button on one of the DP48 and talk into the built-in ambient mic (left one to be exact), it sends it out AES50 chan 48 to all other DP48 as well as back to the console (on AES50 chan 48).

      Regarding your comment about the P16, if on the console you assign the AES50 chan 48 to one of the P16 channels (either on the Ultranet screen or via the appropriate AES50 ch 33-48), it will be sent to the P16.
      • September 16, 2020
  • jojojoshua
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-22
    Recently installed 6 DP48 with a Wing console for our church. Question is concerning storage of presets on the DP48. When you store a preset, does it store both the A and B mixes on the one storage slot? Is there a way to store A and B mixes independently? we are using the A mix for our stationary musicians and the B mix fed back to the Wing and routed out to wireless IEMs for the vocalists. The musicians are usually the same but the vocalists change from week to week and it would be great if they could save their mixes separately from the musicians. In regards to the 8 channels returned on the AES50. Does anyone know if anything is on 7 and 8? Channels 1 and 2 are the A mix. 3 and 4 are the B mix. 5 and 6 appear to be the ambient mics. Thanks for the help.
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    • jojojoshua
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Eric, Yes both A and B mix are stored in the presets. Currently there is no way to separate the mixes. I had started developing a DP48 editor app last summer, but ran into a snag with the required checksum that has to be generated and added to the end of the file. When I get a chance, I'll try again to complete the app.

      Channels 7/8 are the Line In L/R
      • June 22, 2020
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    Errol
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-04-02

    Does anyone know if the DP48 Monitoring System can be used with the Midas MR16 Mixer? Or if there is a solution how this can be configured?

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    • Errol
      DaveMorrison No. The DP48 only communicates using the AES-50 protocol. The MR16 doesn't.
      • Apr 2
    • Errol
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Errol, since the DP48 uses the AES50, the MR18 (or any of the M-Air/X-Air consoles) cannot use the DP48. The only solution is to upgrade to the X32 Rack (or any X32 or M32).
      • Apr 2
    • Errol
      Dale_M No as mentioned there is no AES50 available on the X-AIR products
      • Apr 3
  • JuKay311
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-08-23

    I have connected my new P16-M via the Ethernet-Cable to one of the four ULTRANTE-Ports on the SD16 Stagebox. The P16-M worked fine (PoE) an I was able to here "something". When I tried to change the routing in the X-32  int P16  (or now utlranet) Side  nothing happen/changed.    I resettet the P16-M , but same Problem.  The I wired it directly to the X-32 (I had to use the wallplug of the P16-M becuase there was no PoE on the UTLRANET-Port of the X-32) everything works well.   Has anybody the same Problem?  Did I something wrong in the routing of the SD-16 ?   

    Thanks for any ideas. 

     

    Uli

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    • JuKay311
      RexBeckett The Ultranet ports on the SD16 are defined by the AES50 routing 33-48. If this is set to Ultranet 1-16, the outputs will be the same as those set for the console (on the Ultranet tab).
      • August 23, 2020
      • P16-m not getting setup (Routing) form the X32-Rack over  SD16
        JuKay311 Wow. THANK YOU, Rex! Made my day!
        • August 23, 2020
    • JuKay311
      GaryHiggins If you changed your aes50a out 33-48 assignments to something else besides P16 1-8 and P16 9-16 they will output differently than what is sent from the desk ultranet port. Default routing is what Rex showed you above and they should output the same things from both places when routed as shown. The ultranet menu defines sources, aes50 33-48 (in this case) sends those P16 sources to a the SD16. The SD16 (like almost every stagebox) is fixed/hardwired to output aes50 33-48 from its ultranet ports. Whatever sources are assigned to aes50 33-48 will be output there-but it's not restricted to only P16 sources, as you can see from above, there are lots of possibilities one might assign, easy enough to even set some by mistake.
      • August 23, 2020
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    JasonSims
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-14

    Just started this project

    we have a Midas Pro 2 c and Beringher p16's.  How do I route this?  Or how do I connect via Ethernet?

    it won't recognize the P-16

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    • JasonSims
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Jason, the P16 uses the Ultranet protocol, which the Pro 2C does not have. The only possible option that I can think of is to get a P16-I and connect it to 16 outputs of the stagebox(s). The P16-I will convert these outputs to the Ultranet which can feed the P16-M's.
      • Jan 14
      • Help! How do I get p-16m to work with a Midas Pro 2 C
        JasonSims Thank you, I was afraid you would say this. I would think that by now AES50 protocol would be compatible at this point to ultranet. With a 5 figure $ console you would think it would work with the p16 like a cheaper x32 or m2.
        • Jan 14
    • JasonSims
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Jason, AES50 cannot be "compatible" to Ultranet. AES50 is 48/48 channel bidirectional protocol whereas Ultranet is 16 channel single directional protocol. That said, the X32/M32 stageboxes use AES50 and converts the last 2 banks (33-48) to an Ultranet port on the back. Unfortunately those stageboxes only work on 44K and 48K (not 96K).

      Are you aware of the Midas DP48/Hub4 line of personal monitors that uses the AES50 (instead of Ultranet)? Unfortunately it doesn't currently work with the Midas Pro consoles due to the 96K samplerate.
      • Jan 14
    • JasonSims
      aurasystems Oh no! I cannot believe the DP48/Hub4 doesn't work with the Pro consoles. That is very disappointing.
      • Jan 24
      • Help! How do I get p-16m to work with a Midas Pro 2 C
        Paul_Vannatto They are working on a solution to make it work with the Pro consoles. No ETA at this point.
        • Jan 25
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    Ja5per
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-29

    Hey all I have a weird problem with my p16s related to the P16-D  

    I have power coming from the P16-D to all my P16-Ms but only ultranet to half  

    channels 1,2,5 & 8 have power and ultranet  and 3,4,6 & 7 are recieving no ultranet signal

    can anyone help!?

     

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    • Ja5per
      GaryHiggins Did you try changing the input cat5 to the P16D? Could be bad cables, worth checking if you have not.
      • Jan 28
      • Behringer p16 issue
        Ja5per I have multiple times. I even took it to a friend who has the same set up. And no change.
        • Jan 28
      • Behringer p16 issue
        GaryHiggins You may have tried already but can you try your friends D with your system? Seems like the P16-D may need service (do that from the support icon up top here)
        • Jan 28
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