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    rockbill01
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-08-31

    How are you!

    I live in Suwon, South Korea, and am an office worker who is interested in sound equipment.

    I had an idea for a wireless method during acoustic monitoring for a long time, so I sent it to AVIX & CUOSHOP the official Korean importer of Midas & Behringer, to propose and discuss it.

    The wireless WIFI monitoring app development book and STAGE WAVE & other monitoring APP Guide materials are attached as additional materials through AVIX.
    In the future if necessary, we will make it into a translated material and provide it.

    Currently, I am in charge of circuit parts in JIG and equipment assembly and manufacturing at Samsung VD and a primary supplier (Na & Na).

    In general, in relation to monitoring, it is a form of using one's own smartphone as a monitoring device from a wired method using

    Behringer P16-M to a wireless network method using WIFI Router. Innovative products are being launched to support you.

    We have analyzed STAGE WAVE App, which is currently the most emerging, and we would like to suggest a way to develop more advanced than

    STAGE WAVE App by identifying the improvements in the network of that APP.

    Advantages of STAGE WAVE: App compatibility / stability / Low latency possible (latency changes depending on the setting)

    Cons: Requires high-performance Router and mid-range performance smart phone
    Amount of high-power WIFI data / Monthly flat rate

    Advantages of the New Behringer App (temporary name): Intermediate performance Router / Entry-level Smart Phone support available

    Basic output WIFI data amount / Calculation of reasonable monthly fixed amount for users

    Development and sales of PC-only and WIFI Router combined (small-scale) models

    There are additional materials reviewed and analyzed to make this proposal, and ideas related to Line Up that will be upgraded in the future from

    this proposal model are also being prepared.

    Please review the contents first, and if you need interest or discussion about my proposal, please message & call.

    thank you.

    [email protected]

    082-10-2780-1587

    H.K.Oh (Hong Kyun Oh)

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    • rockbill01
      Paul_Vannatto You have already posted this once before and got a response from the company. This is an end user forum. So it is inappropriate to post this here multiple times. Please delete this thread.
      • August 31, 2021
    • rockbill01
      rockbill01

      Hello. Paul_Vannatto

      Sorry for posting the same content multiple times.

      As you said, I clicked the function to delete the discussion, but the content is not deleted normally.

      thank you.

      H.K.Oh.

      • September 1, 2021
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    tone_crafter
    Contributor - Level 1
    2021-03-19

    We are currently using firmware v1.4 on our 4x DP48s. Can someone point me to a full revision history from v1.4 to the latest v2.0. I can only find revision history for v2.0. Is there a full user manual to go with this firmware? All I can find is the quickstart guide and that is for v1.3 of firmware.

    Has anyone update to this firmware version and can vouch for it's stability/reliability?

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    • tone_crafter
      GaryHiggins DP48 firmware historical

      Version 1.2 - (16 December 2019)
      The DP48 Firmware Update 1.2 features performance enhancements to the personal monitoring mixer’s operating system. Firmware 1.2 adds:
      * Remote configuration of DP48 Groups and channel assignments, including Level and Pan settings, directly from Midas M32* series mixing console GUI 

      * Automatic adjustable ducking of ambience microphones during the performance, depending on signals coming in over AES50 

      * 12 new external preset storage slots on SD card 

      * Stand-alone mode can now be used with AES50 stage-boxes such as DL32 or DL16 

      * M32* console time is now received over AES50. This allows timestamped SD recording files 

      * Mix A/B Limiter activity is now displayed on the meter overview screen 

      * My Group controls the playback level, while a track is selected for playback on the SD Recorder 

      * Upstream of local AUX-Input and built in Microphones to AES50-Stream for sharing click or backing tracks and communication to the Engineer 

      * Close boot screen by pressing MIX A or MIX B * Requires mixer fw 4.01 or higher

      MIDAS DP48 Firmware Update Version 1.3 ( May 2020)

      New Features 1.3

      • 2 separate stereo reverb processors for separation between Mix A and B

      • Stereo mode for assigning and editing two channels of a Group at the same time (long press)

      • Reverb sends are now post-fader separately for Mix A/B

      • New idle screen with Group names and pre-fader metering overview

      • Quick Group renaming by selecting from a list of common names (long press on idle screen)

      • MIX A/MIX B ‘Meter Screen’ same as idle screen but showing A/B post-fader levels

      • Talkback function using the internal microphones in conjunction with HUB4

      • Talkback signal will be exchanged between all DP48 mixers and M32 consoles via CH48

      • Automatic configuration if Talkback is active:

      o Add CH48 to assignment of Group 12

      o Rename Group 12 to ‘Talkback’

      o Activate ‘MIC +20dB’ in Setup

      • Configure Talkback in Setup, press and hold MIC button to speak

      Improvements

      • FX return default value set to -10 dB

      • ID and enumeration bugs in remote operation fixed

      • Master units update local preset copy when a X32 broadcast message is received

      • Remote function: group names are sent to remote unit

      • Group PAN had no effect when the group was assigned to a MIX as MY-Group

      • Work on local preset when the remote ID is master

      • Better AES50 error management and faster recovery

      • DP48 on HUB4 master port for remote control

      • Missing X32 messages improved
      * 

      MIDAS DP48 Firmware Update Version 1.4 (2020-06-17)
      Welcome
      New Features 1.4
      * Regular group solo function replaces automatic group solo in edit mode (to enable use long press on GROUP button) 

      * Automatic 10 dB assignment-solo dim Improvements 

      * Daisy-Chain upstream bug fixed (introduced with FW1.3) 

      * Stereo-Assignment when resetting device fixed (introduced with FW1.3) 


      MIDAS DP48 Firmware Update Version 1.5 (2020-07-15)
      Welcome

      New Features 1.5
      • Sending control and name commands through stage boxes Improvements
      • SD-Card recording bug fixed (introduced with FW1.4)

      MIDAS DP48 Firmware Update Version 1.6 (2020-10-12)
      Welcome
      New Features 1.6
      * Volume control changed to smoother linear operation. 

      * Full compatibility to new DP48 Console-Remote including stereo link control. 
(introduced with X32/M32 Firmware 4.03) 
Improvements 

      * Bugfix for multiple DP48 in a chain all indicated as Master-Devices. 

      * Pan law gain changed from 6dB to 3dB for improved stereo imaging. 

      * The purple frame for slave devices is now only visual when active remote control is taking place. 

      * Bugfix for post fader reverb send in conjunction with MY GROUP control.


      MIDAS DP48 Firmware Update Version 1.7 (Oct 2020)

      Midas DP48 Firmware UpdateVersion 1.7  

      This update introduces a wealth of new features that help simplifying setup, improve overview and provide new means of communication for all live performance and studio production applications, where musicians are in control of their own monitor mix.Midas is constantly adding new features and making enhancements to this extremely stable ecosystem of digital mixers, I/O boxes and personal monitoring mixers. This means you always experience the best possible performance. Visit midasconsoles.com and check for updates of your products regularly. Download the latest firmware for DP48 and HUB4, and make sure the latest versions will be installed to both.


      New Features 1.7

      • Mirror Mix A on Mix B output in singlemode.

      Improvements
      • Fix for saving master parameters if powering off while remote controlling.
      • Fix for stereo link assignment and indication on booth channels in a pair, while working remotely.
      • Fix for passing on wrong AES50 information of connected devices in a chain.
      • Fix for pre fader reverb send when using MY GROUP in singlemode.
      • Refresh assign page after being remote controlled by master.



      Midas DP48 Firmware Update
      Version 1.8 - (23 November 2020)
      Welcome
      Congratulations on purchasing this innovative personal monitoring system. This update introduces a quickfix for an crossdependent issue with the post-fader reverb send when using MYGROUP in single mode.
      Midas is constantly adding new features and making enhancements to this extremely stable ecosystem of digital mixers, I/O boxes and personal monitoring mixers. This means you always experience the best possible performance. Download and install the latest firmware for DP48 and HUB4 to make use of the latest Features and Improvements.
      Improvements
      • Fix for crossover MIX A-B/ MIX B-A pre-fader FX send issue in single mode


      Midas DP48 Firmware Update
      Version 1.9 - (4 December 2020)
      Welcome
      Congratulations on purchasing this innovative personal monitoring system. This update is fixing and improving the loading of presets.
      Midas is constantly adding new features and making enhancements to this extremely stable ecosystem of digital mixers, I/O boxes and personal monitoring mixers. This means you always experience the best possible performance. Download and install the latest firmware for DP48 and HUB4 to make use of the latest features and improvements.
      Bugfixes
      • Fix for preset loading issues
      Improvements
      • Improved preset loading with active Remote-


      Midas DP48 Firmware Update
      Version 2.0 - (5 February 2021)
      Welcome
      Congratulations on purchasing this innovative personal monitoring system. This update is fixing issues related to the PAN and EQ when using dual MY GROUP in single mode.
      Midas is constantly adding new features and making enhancements to this extremely stable ecosystem of digital mixers, I/O boxes and personal monitoring mixers. This means you always experience the best possible performance. Download and install the latest firmware for DP48 and HUB4 to make use of the latest features and improvements.
      Bugfixes
      • Fix for PAN and EQ issues when using dual MY GROUP in single mode
      • March 19, 2021
      • DP48 firmware
        GaryHiggins BTW I believe 2.0 is stable, I have not used it much to be honest but do not recall many (or any) complaints regarding bugs.
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        • March 19, 2021
  • New
    GregWarren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-12-17

    Hello,

    I have 6 DP48s and have 2 Hub4s being shipped as we speak.

     

    My question, will I need 6 ethernet cables from the 2 Hub4s to each of the DP48s to power them (PoE) OR can you use 1 ethernet cable from the hub4 to the first one and then daisy chain them and get power to them without having to use the ac adapters?

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    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, if you want PoE, you will need 6 cables. The Thru AES50 jack on the DP48 does not supply the PoE, similar to the P16-M.
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      GregWarren Okay...thanks...now how do I setup the IEMs with the hub 4s? What ports on the back do I use?
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Looking at the back, from right to left are the ports outputs (1-4), mix A and B. Ports 1 and 2 mix A are XLR and the rest (port 1/2 mix B and all of port 3/4) are 1/4" TRS. You also need to enable each port output by pressing on the respective port button on the front panel (just below the Port 1-4 label).
      • December 17, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        GregWarren Ethercon shielded 5e or 6a?
        • December 18, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, shielded cat5e is getting harder to find here (in Canada). I have a mixure of shielded cat5e, cat6a and cat7. Anything that works between Behringer/Midas consoles and stageboxes should work with the Hub4 and DP48.
        • December 18, 2020
    • GregWarren
      MichaelIvey Hey Douglas. I feel your frustration as I did the same method you did and got the same results time after time after time. But here's what changed. Instead of saving the file in Excel where I created it I saved it to my Desktop. When given the option of the format to save it in I selected CSV UTF-8 (Comma delimited) (*.csv) again saving the file to my Desktop. Hope this works for you.
      • December 19, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto What has this to do with our discussion here about the Hub4 and DP48?
        • December 19, 2020
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    JacquesMathez
    Contributor - Level 3
    2022-04-23

    Hi,

    My only DP48 is directly connected to AES50B of my M32. No daisy chain, no HUB4.

    In the M32 inputs routing, i selected AES50B 1-8 for the channels 1-8.

    On M32 channels 1-4 and 7-8 there is no signal, on channels 5-6 I get the signal from the DP48 microphones.

    When I switch on the DP48, after 2 seconds, there is a loud pop on channels 5-8, nothing on channel 1-4.

    DP48 firmware is 2.2.

    Question : Is the upstreaming only allowed in conjonction with HUB4, meaning that upstreaming without it is not supported and leads to the weird results i explained ?

    Thank you for your support.

    BR

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    • JacquesMathez
      Nigel67 Hi JaquesMathez. The Upstream should work without the need of the Hub4. Please refer to this block diagram. The 8 channels being sent back to the AES50 ports is shown right at the top. https://mediadl.musictribe.com/download/software/midas/DP48/DP48_Block_Diagram.pdf You have the Aux Inputs, Ambience Mics, Mix A and Mix B. It would appear that the 8 channels are working as you mention that you see the audio from the ambience Mics. Is the M32 running G4.06?
      • Apr 24
      • DP48 upstream without Hub4
        JacquesMathez Thanks Nigel, everything is clear to me now. By the way, yes, i'm running V4.06
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        • Apr 26
  • New
    fricia
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-02-10

    Hello everyone

    I am currently working on a WING based systems with DP48s and a HUB4. I'm trying to do the following:

    WING-A <-> DP48-1 IN/DP48-1 through <-> HUB4 Master/HUB4 through <-> DL32-1 A/DL32-1 B <-> DL32-2 A

    I have the follwoing questions regarding this setup:

     

    1. As I understand it this should pass inputs 1 - 16 from DL32-2 to WING-A on AES50-A 33-48. However this is not the case. What does work is the HUB4 sending the talkback from the DP48s to WING-A on channel 48 (but only when taking DP48-1 out of the chain, as the 8 channels that unit inserts at the start of the AES50 stream replace 40-48 and therefore also the talkback). This is the only signal I am able to receive on the WING on AES50-A 33-48.

    No routing options on the HUB4 are engaged. The outputs of AES50-A are routed to all DL32s as expected (1-16 duplicated on the XLR outputs of both stageboxes.)

    When bypassing the HUB4 and daysichaining only the stageboxes on AES50-A everything works as expected; inputs 1-16 from DL32-2 are combined with inputs 1-32 from DL32-1 on the AES50 stream.

    Am I doing something wrong or is this currently not supported?

     

     

    2. Of course I also have DP48s connected to the hub:

    WING-A <-> DP48-1 IN/DP48-1 through <-> HUB4 MASTER/HUB4 Port 1 <-> DP48-2 IN/DP48-2 through <-> DP48-3 IN

    In this configuration DP48-1 can only remote control DP48-2 but not DP48-3. When daisychaining DP48s without the HUB4 in between, remote control works for all devices.

    Am I doing something wrong or is this currently not supported?

     

     

    3. I don't really need it in this scenario, but just out of curiosity: When daisychaining two DL32s is it possible to get OUT 1-16 on DL32-1 and OUT 17-32 on DL32-2 on their respective XLR outputs?

     

     

    Obvioulsy this would all be fixed by running a second CAT cable on AES50-B, but I would very much like to avoid this if possible...

     

    Thanks for your help!

     

     

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    • fricia
      Paul_Vannatto 1) The upstream signals (DL32 -> Wing) you are getting are because you have included the DP48 in the middle. The DP48 does not pass signals through upstream. If you are using a Hub4, it is better to connect the DP48 to the Hub4 port (1-4). That is the way the Hub4/DP48 package is designed.
      2). Don't put the DP48-1 in between Wing and Hub4. It is not designed for that. If you want to use any DP48 without the Hub4 (instead daisy chain the DP48's), either put them on their own AES50 or daisy chain them at the end (after the DL32).
      3) No. The DL32 accepts only the first and second blocks of AES50 outputs from the Wing. if you want separation (outputs 17-24) use a DL16 or S16/SD8/SD16 where you can select the output blocks.
      • Feb 10
    • fricia
      fricia Hi Paul and thank you very much for your insight!
      I think I wasn't quite clear in that I'm not getting any signals from the second DL32 no matter whether the DP48-1 in between Wing and Hub4 is there or not.
      A couple of firmware updates ago remote control via the sync master port of the Hub4 was introduced. This is what I'm trying to achieve and it seems to me this should be officially.
      Also, I think the DP48s do pass signals through upstream, else you couldn't daisy chain them...
      Here's the thing: When bypassing the Hub4 and going

      WING-A <-> DP48-1 IN/DP48-1 through <-> DL32-1 A/DL32-1 B <-> DL32-2 A

      I do get all the expected Signals from both DL32s. So the hub4 must somehow overwrite AES50 33-48 right? Which according to all the information I can find it shouldn't?
      • Feb 10
    • fricia
      Paul_Vannatto I just checked what I said with my Wing and DP48 and a stagebox (SD8) configured as such
      Wing <-> DP48 <-> SD8
      Inputs from the SD8 will not pass through the DP48 to the Wing. That is by design.
      Outputs from the Wing will pass through the DP48 to the stagebox (SD8 or DL32)

      If you include the Hub4 between Wing and DL32 (Wing <-> Hub4 <-> DL32), the inputs from the DL32 to the Wing will depend on the state of the StageConnect/AES50 A33-48) button. If it is disabled (not lit), all 48 channels of the AES50 from the DL32 (connected to the Hub4 Thru port) will pass through to the Wing. If this button is enabled, AES50 A33-48 will change from the Hub4 to include outputs of the DP48 (1-4) and replace what is coming from the second DL32.

      Here is the latest Hub4 Routing diagram
      • Feb 10
    • fricia
      Paul_Vannatto I forgot to mention the new Talkback feature. If the talkback is enabled on the DP48 (and the DP48 is connected to one of the Hub4 ports 1-4), when the Mic button is pressed, the Hub4 will replace AES50 A48 with the talkback signal so that the musician can talk to the FOH engineer. This only works with the Hub4. If using the DP48 by itself, talkback will not work.
      • Feb 10
    • fricia
      Paul_Vannatto I just added this to the Behringer World Wiki for future reference
      https://behringer.world/wiki/doku.php?id=hub4_dp48_routing
      • Feb 10
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    joshtew
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-02-20

    Noticed this recently that when I switch off a DP48 with other units daisy chained to it, the downstream unit will produce a very loud pop sound in the headphones output even though the Volume knob has been fully lowered.

    I noticed it because I could hear the pop from the headphones connected to another unit that was almost 2 meters away when I switched off 1 unit for firmware upgrade and testing.

    Once again the volume level has been fully lowered on that downstream unit yet the pop sound came through so loudly and this happened consistently.

    What will it do to a musician with in-ears when another musician upstream switches the unit off, by accident or for whatever other reason?!

    Please fix this soon.

    **Glad to report that the above issue has been resolved in DP48 FW v2.2!

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    • joshtew
      Paul_Vannatto The loud popping sound is due to the breakage of the AES50 that passes through the DP48 in a daisy chain configuration when the upstream DP48 is turned off. This has been an issue since the introduction of the X32 (back in 2012) or even earlier. The fix is to get a Hub4 and connect the DP48 from it instead of daisy chaining. The other solution is to make sure nothing is turned off until everyone is finished and no longer using the DP48's. Also make sure you are using shielded cat5e/cat6/cat7 cable with ethercon ends.
      • February 19, 2021
      • Very Loud Pop(even with fully lowered Volume) when Upstream DP48  in daisy chain is switched off
        joshtew Wow, I feel there should be much better signal breakage handling from such professional equipment and at the very least the unit should conform to the volume knob setting...
        • February 19, 2021
    • joshtew
      Paul_Vannatto I'll report this to the developers (of the DP48) to see if they can do anything about it.
      • February 20, 2021
      • Very Loud Pop(even with fully lowered Volume) when Upstream DP48  in daisy chain is switched off
        joshtew Thanks, much appreciated
        • February 21, 2021
    • joshtew
      joshtew

      Glad to report that the above issue has been resolved in DP48 FW v2.2!

      • April 28, 2021
    • joshtew
      Paul_Vannatto Thanks Josh for the good report
      • July 8, 2021
  • New
    than8329
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-21

    Hi there! My name is Thanos and I'm a sound enginieer-designer and I'm using the midas DP48 personal monitor for three months now and I'm satisfied. The problem is that the musicians need the mute function sometimes because I'm changing the inputs from the midas DL32 stagebox or I'm changing the instruments. Everytime I warn them to turn off the master volume because the mute function does not exist. Is there something better than this??? Is it available a firmware update with the mute function???

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    • than8329
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Thanos, the mute function is on the wishlist. No ETA at this point.
      • December 21, 2020
    • than8329
      joshtew I am facing this problem too!

      With default routing method of direct out connections from channels to AES50, muting the channels on the mixer doesn't mute any of the personal monitors nor analogue outputs from Hub4. I have stage monitor speakers connected to Hub 4 analogue outputs and this is sending the pop from cable connection/disconnection straight through!

      Will be helpful to have the option of tapping from "IN/LC +M" tap point.

      Will a feasible workaround be to send the guitar channels through P16 segment tapped from channels at "IN/LC +M" tap point?
      • December 26, 2020
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        MichaelIvey Well Joshua another solution to this dilemma until it's an actual update from Midas would be to use a suggestion that resolved the issue "DP48 Playback for mixing IEM" used. What was suggested was making a LIVE A Snippet and a PLAYBACK B Snippet. The LIVE A Snippet can serve as the boards routing when Performing, Shows, and Recording. The PLAYBACK B Snippet could serve a dual purpose. Not only to route the card signals back thru AES50B for the DP48 but also since none of the LIVE A Input Channels are connected the board nor the speakers nor the IEMs will pass thru the "POP" because it's not routed.
        • January 4, 2021
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        joshtew I opted to go P16 route as we may need to mute these instruments mid programme and there is no need to re-train our many volunteers sound engineers on what to do when they need to mute the instruments.
        • January 29, 2021
    • than8329
      than8329 Do we have any progress about the DP48 mute function???
      • March 22, 2021
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        Paul_Vannatto The developers are aware of the mute request, but no ETA at this point.
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        • March 22, 2021
  • New
    KSpeyer
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-11-03

    I am working on upgrading our audio system to Dante for several reasons. But what I would like to do is keep using the HUB4/DP48s for in ears on stage. Can i do this using the DN9650 to send the channels from dante to the HUB4 AES50 port?

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    • KSpeyer
      GaryHiggins Are you already using a DN9630? If you are using a Wing or X32 with Dante cards added (if that's what you are saying) AES50 is still available to connect your Hub4/DP48's and Dante is a separate bus and separate routing but is available at the same time. If not and you are already using a DN9650 I don't see why that would not work. It in fact should work. really well syncing everything.
      • November 4, 2021
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    GeorgeAukerman
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-05-27

    Can anyone tell me if it is possible to transfer files, IE mix/group settings, via the SD card from unit to unit

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    • GeorgeAukerman
      Paul_Vannatto Yes you can. If you press the Setup and SD Rec buttons simultaneously, it gives you the Load/Save as well as Read/Write from/to the SD.
      • May 27, 2021
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    WillemKrabbe
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2021-02-24

    Hi,

     

    I noticed i can only assign an aes channel once to a group. When assingning the same channel to a second group it dissapears from the first group.
    This is logical but.

    When i want to use the DP48 for  two musicians it could actually be helpfull to assign  the channels to 2  different groups.
    Because then user 1 can use group 1 for (example) drums and adjust the individual channels to his own flavour. User 2 can use group 2 for drums and adjust the individual channels for his own flavour.

    Is there a possibility to change this in future firmware?

     

    Willem

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    • WillemKrabbe
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Willem, unfortunately it is not possible to assign a channel to more than one group, due to the assignment design.
      • February 24, 2021
      • DP48
        WillemKrabbe Thanks for your quick reply. Pity though it's not possible.
        • February 24, 2021
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