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  • Michael_Lapke
    Triber Moderator
    2015-03-18
    Hi everyone,

    Just wanted to share with you my in depth connection guide/directions for making remote connections to the X AIR line of digital mixers. I was able to make all six of these connections successfully using my windows 7 (64bit) PC but the steps apply to what you would do with a MAC PC. The connection steps are listed in order. Feel free to post your connection findings in this thread as well.

    Alright, here we go.

    External Router with the XR18: ETHERNET MODE

    Option #1 - External router hard-wired to the XR18, control device (computer/tablet/phone) connected wirelessly to the external router. (ETHERNET MODE)

    - Make sure ext router is setup properly and can accept DHCP for automatic IP addressing or STATIC for manual input of IP address, subnet mask and gateway.
    - Open X AIR EDIT App and check the SETUP/LAN tab has the LAN-MODE set to DHCP for automatic IP addressing or STATIC for manual input of the IP Address, Subnet Mask and Gateway of your router. To make changes between STATIC, DHCP or DHCP SERVER you must connect directly to the XR18 via ACCESS POINT or ETHERNET. (Options #5 and #6 below))
    - Connect Ethernet cable from ETHERNET PORT on the XR18 to your External Router, set REMOTE switch on the front of mixer to ETHERNET.
    - Load X AIR EDIT App, after computer establishes a connection to the External Router's Network you will see the mixer pop up in the SETUP/CONNECT tab.

    Option #2 - External router hard-wired to the XR18, control device (computer) connected hard-wired into the external router. (ETHERNET MODE)

    - Make sure your computer and external router are setup properly in order to accept DHCP for automatic IP addressing or STATIC for manual input of IP address, subnet mask and gateway.
    - Set REMOTE switch on the front of the XR18 to ETHERNET
    - Open X AIR EDIT App and check the SETUP/LAN tab has the LAN-MODE set to DHCP for automatic IP addressing (or STATIC for manual input of the IP Address, Subnet Mask and Gateway of your router. To make changes between STATIC, DHCP or DHCP SERVER you must connect directly to the XR18 via ACCESS POINT or ETHERNET. (See options #5 and #6 below)
    - Connect Ethernet cable from ETHERNET PORT on the XR18 to your External Router, set REMOTE switch on the front of mixer to ETHERNET.
    - Connect 2nd Ethernet Cable from your computer to your External Router
    - In the X AIR EDIT App, after your computer establishes a connection to the External Router's Network, you will see the mixer pop up in the SETUP/CONNECT tab.

    Option #3 - External Router connected wirelessly to the XR18, control device (computer) connected hard-wired to the external router. (WIFI CLIENT MODE)

    - Connect to the XR18 (ETHERNET or ACCESS POINT) to setup WiFi Client mode. Make sure REMOTE switch on the front of the XR18 is set to that type of connection.
    - In the SETUP/WLAN tab, select/input your External Router's Security Encryption, SSID and PASSCODE. Set MODE to DHCP to automatically get IP address or set to STATIC to manually input your IP address, Subnet Mask and Gateway.
    - Disconnect the XR18 from it's ETHERNET or ACCESS POINT connection in the X AIR EDIT App. (Remove ETHERNET cable if used for WiFi Client setup)
    - Switch to WIFI CLIENT in the REMOTE section on the front of the XR18.
    - Connect your computer to the external router with a hard-wired Ethernet Cable.
    - Load X AIR EDIT App, after computer establishes a connection to the External Router's Network you will see the mixer pop up in the SETUP/CONNECT tab.

    Option #4 - External Router connected wirelessly to the XR18, control device (computer/tablet/phone) connected wirelessly to the external router. (WIFI CLIENT MODE)

    - Connect to the XR18 (ETHERNET or ACCESS POINT) to setup WiFi Client mode. Make sure REMOTE switch on the front of the XR18 is set to that type of connection.
    - In the SETUP/WLAN tab, select/input your External Router's Security Encryption, SSID and PASSCODE. Set MODE to DHCP to automatically get IP address or set to STATIC to manually input your IP address, Subnet Mask and Gateway.
    - Disconnect the XR18 from it's ETHERNET or ACCESS POINT connection in the X AIR EDIT App. (Remove ETHERNET cable if used for WiFi Client setup)
    - Switch to WIFI CLIENT in the REMOTE section on the front of the XR18.
    - Connect your computer/tablet/phone to the external router's network.
    - Load X AIR EDIT App, after computer/tablet/phone establishes a connection to the External Router's Network you will see the mixer pop up in the SETUP/CONNECT tab.


    Option #5 - Computer with the XR18: ETHERNET MODE

    - Make sure LAN port on computer is set to automatically obtain IP addresses. (TCP/IP options in Network management Settings) and that LAN MODE is set to DHCP to automatically get IP addressing from your computer. You have to be connected to the XR18 to change this setting. (Easy access point mode connection)
    - Connect ETHERNET cable from XR18 to computer.
    - Flip REMOTE switch in the front of the XR18 to ETHERNET.
    - Load X AIR EDIT App, after computer establishes a connection to the XR18 you will see the mixer pop up in the SETUP/CONNECT tab.



    Option #6 - Access Point wit the XR18: ACCESS POINT MODE

    - Flip REMOTE switch in the front of the XR18 to ACCESS POINT
    - Position the XR18 antenna towards the ceiling.
    - Connect to the XR18 ACCESS POINT (XR18-XX-XX-XX) WiFi Network.
    - Load X AIR EDIT App, after computer/tablet/phone establishes a connection to the ACCESS POINT WiFi Network you will see the mixer pop up in the SETUP/CONNECT tab.


    Hope this clears up any questions with how to connect your devices.
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    • Michael_Lapke
      JayMarr Hi Michael,



      Are there any ways to hard wire an Android tablet to the XR-18?



      I am debating buying/trying the BobJGear USB to Ethernet adapter so I can connect hard wire to my XR-18 with an Android.





      Either:

      Android --> hard wire to External Router --> External Router hard wire to XR-18 Ethernet port



      or Android --> hardwire to XR-18 Ethernet port





      Thanks for any insight,

      - Jay
      • March 19, 2015
    • Michael_Lapke
      Michael_Lapke

      Jay Marr;44262 wrote:

      Hi Michael,



      Are there any ways to hard wire an Android tablet to the XR-18?



      I am debating buying/trying the BobJGear USB to Ethernet adapter so I can connect hard wire to my XR-18 with an Android.





      Either:

      Android --> hard wire to External Router --> External Router hard wire to XR-18 Ethernet port



      or Android --> hardwire to XR-18 Ethernet port





      Thanks for any insight,

      - Jay






      Dear Jay,



      I've went down to my local electronics warehouse just yesterday and was hoping to buy a mini USB to Ethernet adapter so I could try this out myself with my android tablet. Unfortunately they didn't have anything like that in stock.



      Until I can get my hands on one of these adaptors I'm not sure if it will actually work. I've not seen any proof that the port on any Android tablet can be used for Ethernet connectivity. However I know these type of adaptors exist, so there is a possibility that it can work. I'm sure the tablet you are using will play a key factor in this as well.



      If you find anything regarding this please let me know.
      • March 19, 2015
    • Michael_Lapke
      PeterKilgour

      Jay Marr;44262 wrote:

      Hi Michael,



      Are there any ways to hard wire an Android tablet to the XR-18?



      I am debating buying/trying the BobJGear USB to Ethernet adapter so I can connect hard wire to my XR-18 with an Android.





      Either:

      Android --> hard wire to External Router --> External Router hard wire to XR-18 Ethernet port



      or Android --> hardwire to XR-18 Ethernet port





      Thanks for any insight,

      - Jay




      I'm really interested in finding this out as well.
      • March 20, 2015
    • Michael_Lapke
      LouisNel Hi,

      Does option #5 (XR18 to computer via Ethernet cable) require a cross-over cable or just the straight cat5 cable?



      Thanks,

      Lou
      • March 20, 2015
    • Michael_Lapke
      VernonDensler Straight through cable works just fine.
      • March 20, 2015
  • hagen
    Contributor - Level 3
    2013-07-16
    We are happy to announce the latest TC Audio Interface Software release candidate for your preview.
    TC Audio Interface Software 3.2 release candidate f10 for OSX, Windows 64bit and 32bit

    If you need to submit crash dumps, screen shots or any other files describing failures please do so to [email protected].
    [list=*]
  • OSX:
    [list=*]
  • kernel panic logs can be found at /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

  • application crash logs at ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

  • kernel logs at /var/log/kernel.log; 10.8+ kernel logs at /var/log/system.log


  • Windows:
    [list=*]
  • install logs can be found at \Windows\inf\setupapi.dev.log (XP: \Windows\setupapi.log)

  • kernel crash dumps at \Windows\MiniDump

  • application crash dumps can be enabled by following Collecting User-Mode Dumps



  • Thanks a lot for all your investigations! This is very much appreciated!


    Whats new
    3.2 release candidate f10
    [list=*]
  • based on TC Applied Technologies DICE driver 4.1.3 with lots of bug fixes and performance improvements
    [list=*]
  • Windows release notes

  • OSX release notes





  • Some hints to make a succesful installation: [list=*]
  • Supported OSX versions are Mointain Lion (10.8) with 64bit Intel kernel, Lion (10.7), Windows Vista/7/8 and Snow Leopard (10.6) with 32bit and 64bit Intel kernel and Windows XP-SP3 with 32bit Intel kernel
    it probably also works with Leopard (10.5) with 32bit Intel kernel; but we will not test, nor provide support anymore




  • Known issues:
    [list=*]
  • OSX[list=*]
  • Reboot needed after installation (but not enforced by installer)


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    • hagen
      werner Hi Hagen,

      I just wanna say thank you for ongoing driver improvements of the Impact Twin unit. Highly appreciated.
      • July 16, 2013
    • hagen
      yanovski Thank you for that.

      Congrats for ongoing support.
      • July 16, 2013
    • hagen
      rw35 Still the Fabrik plugins are disabled in Cubase on this release, they have never worked since 2.5
      • July 16, 2013
    • hagen
      kdarbyshirebrya Hi Hagan & all @ TC,



      First off, echoing what has already been said, many thanks for the continued support & driver improvements, very much appreciated.



      DPC:



      My DPC issue still persists with this driver BUT I'm beginning to think it's a reporting anomaly rather than anything actually wrong. My pops'n'ticks have gone away despite seeing some latency spikes, whether this is new driver related I don't know. Using 'latencymon' (http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon) it looks like 'wdf01000.sys - kernel mode driver framework runtime' suffers from DPC issues...and it appears to be called by the TC Near driver. Interestingly swapping to legacy firewire driver puts the ISR & DPC load onto an 'ohci1394.sys' rather than wdf01000.sys and this doesn't report latency spikes. Make of that what you will but I'm not convinced that TC Near actually has a problem.



      Minor notes:



      Setup->Output->Source column 'Link button' tooptip has 'Tooltip::IO2_Output::LinkButton' as the tooltip.



      Setup->Output->Speaker Setup->Assign column 'main/sub' tooltips have 'Tooltip::IO2_Output::AssignComboBox' as the tooltip





      Enhancement requests:



      1 - Improve monitor bass management: Please can you provide a speaker type of 'Large' in addition to 'main & sub' which has no bass management facility associated with it. 'Main' should be re-named 'Small' and should retain the existing bass management filtering options. This would allow a monitoring configuration of full range loudspeakers for Left & Right, with smaller (and less bass capable) Center & Surrounds. Or indeed full range L,C,R but limited Surrounds. If you *really* wanted to get clever then have different crossover settings for each speaker! In my opinion either of the above options would significantly enhance the bass management section of the SK48 and allow it to be a great monitor controller....even standalone!



      2) Really minor cosmetic enhancement: Can you get the master volume ring displayed in TC Near control panel to light up & correspond with the remote control's real display please.





      Once again, thanks for your continued support of the product and your great work.



      Kevin
      • July 17, 2013
    • hagen
      hagen Thanks everybody for the kind responses so far...!





      kdarbyshirebryant wrote:



      My DPC issue still persists with this driver BUT I'm beginning to think it's a reporting anomaly rather than anything actually wrong. My pops'n'ticks have gone away despite seeing some latency spikes, whether this is new driver related I don't know. Using 'latencymon' (http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon) it looks like 'wdf01000.sys - kernel mode driver framework runtime' suffers from DPC issues...and it appears to be called by the TC Near driver. Interestingly swapping to legacy firewire driver puts the ISR & DPC load onto an 'ohci1394.sys' rather than wdf01000.sys and this doesn't report latency spikes. Make of that what you will but I'm not convinced that TC Near actually has a problem.




      The TC Near sys is not a KMDF based driver since there is no firewire KMDF support from Microsoft. What you see here is a result of Microsofts "new" 1394 bus driver using KMDF. If there are DPC spikes introduced by wdf01000.sys than its because something is fishy in the KMDF based 1394 bus driver stage.

      As reported here before we have seen various issues with both implementations, so we cannot recommend the use of one or another. It seems that either the legacy 1394 bus driver operates better on one system or the "new" KMDF based one. In a few cases both will show issues though or there are even 1394 controller hardware issues.

      But most systems will work flawless with both implementations.
      • July 17, 2013
  • quantize
    Contributor - Level 2
    2013-10-29
    Hagen mentioned there might be a fix in the works..i confess I'm checking here daily now - especially after doing a test install of 10.9 (which is a LOT faster and smoother than any 10.7 or 10.8 build)

    Is there any hope/progress?
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  • Iantaylorphoto
    Contributor - Level 2
    2012-12-28
    Hi,

    Is it possible to send a midi command to the pedal to turn it off?

    If so what midi number is it?

    Thanks

    Ian
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    • Iantaylorphoto
      Iantaylorphoto Anyone, this quite a big thought for my rig setup.
      • December 31, 2012
    • Iantaylorphoto
      pdxfairview I have the same question, thanks
      • January 2, 2013
    • Iantaylorphoto
      TC-Mike hi all, it is not possible to bypass the unit via Midi. the only midi features that are supported are preset recall of the 3 user presets and Midi sync of delay times.
      • January 2, 2013
    • Iantaylorphoto
      Iantaylorphoto Thanks Mike, is this something that maybe enabled in the near future?



      And do they have to be set to #1 #2 #3?
      • January 2, 2013
    • Iantaylorphoto
      Alexrijeka Sorry but that's no good. We actually have some presets that don't need dly. What then?! It's practically useless in larger guitar rigs. You must solve this! A blank/bypass preset 4 please! As for now we have to store one blank preset to use it?!?! That leaves us with two...
      • January 3, 2013
  • hagen
    Contributor - Level 3
    2015-10-30
    We are happy to provide an preview on TC Audio Interface Software 3.5
    TC Audio Interface Software 3.5 for OSX, 64bit and 32bit Windows

    Please find here the latest TCNear related development. Please always keep in mind that you should avoid using this software on a production machine, as regressions are to be expected.



    Some advice to fix issues as quick as possible:
    [list=*]
  • Please be descriptive as possible!
    What seems to be obvious on your system, may seem completely different in our test setup.
    "It doesn't work" is not a bug report.

  • Reproduce an issue! Include detailed steps on how to reproduce an issue in your report: What happened when your were doing what?

  • Verify an issue! Please make sure its not an user error or side effect of something. (It takes a lot of time to reproduce bogus issues here! Time we would rather spent in fixing issues.)

  • Always make sure we know your Konnekt hardware and TCNear software version, OS Version, if its 32 or 64bit, DAW Version (if related to the bug reported) and any other software involved in this bug.
    Include all information also if you need to submit additional files to [email protected].





  • If you need to submit crash dumps, screen shots or any other files describing failures please do so to [email protected].
    [list=*]
  • OSX:
    [list=*]
  • kernel panic logs can be found at /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

  • application crash logs at ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

  • kernel logs at /var/log/kernel.log; 10.8+ kernel logs at /var/log/system.log


  • Windows:
    [list=*]
  • install logs can be found at \Windows\inf\setupapi.dev.log

  • kernel crash dumps at \Windows\MiniDump

  • application crash logs can be enabled by following Collecting User-Mode Dumps



  • Thanks a lot for all your investigations! This is very much appreciated!



    Whats new
    3.5 f27
    [list=*]
  • Maintenance release for OSX 10.11 "El Capitan" and Windows 10 compatibility

  • based on TCAT firewire driver 4.2
    [list=*]
  • OSX release notes

  • Windows release notes



  • OSX: completely removed PPC targets from the universal binaries of Plugins and all TCNear system software, TCNear system software has been updated and based on latest SDKs and dev tools to ensure compatibility with latest OSX versions

  • Windows: TCNear system software has been updated and based on latest SDKs and dev tools to ensure compatibility with latest Windows versions




  • Known issues:
    [list=*]
  • TCAT is currently working on finalising driver compatibility for OSX 10.11 and Windows 10. The final TCNear software update will contain the updated driver version.
    The included TCAT driver version 4.2 can be installed on machines running OSX 10.11 and Windows 10. There are however issues with certain setups.

  • OSX[list=*]
  • Can only be installed on OSX 10.8.3 or later


  • Windows[list=*]
  • requires Windows 7 or later


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    • hagen
      geifox Thankyouu! I'll test it!
      • October 30, 2015
    • hagen
      geifox Sorry but for me is the same problem in Ableton live.

      I can't choose the interface in audio driver.

      I have only "core audio"... why?



      I can choose only in-out of TC.



      It's normal?



      Please see the screenshot.



      http://it.tinypic.com/r/2whqm3b/9



      Help me?

      Thankyou.
      • October 30, 2015
    • hagen
      Bulito Thank you so much!!!
      • October 30, 2015
    • hagen
      Bulito The same problem too.

      My iMac Doesn't detect my impact twin.

      I have install the package and:

      1.- the blue led of connection in my impact twin continues off

      2.- the TC near Control panel (when i can run it. Not always) shows "no device found"... "looking for device"

      3.- when i open de sound preferences of the damned "the captain"... my impact twin does not appear
      • October 30, 2015
    • hagen
      hagen

      geifox wrote:

      Sorry but for me is the same problem in Ableton live.

      I can't choose the interface in audio driver.

      I have only "core audio"... why?



      I can choose only in-out of TC.



      It's normal?



      Please see the screenshot.



      http://it.tinypic.com/r/2whqm3b/9



      Help me?

      Thankyou.


      What else would you expect to see here?
      • October 31, 2015
  • SethCall
    Contributor - Level 2
    2015-05-22
    I noticed yesterday that the UM2 Windows drivers made my Behringer are gone.

    Knowing that the UCG102 shares the same driver, I went to it's download page, and it's also gone:

    http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UM2.aspx
    http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCG102.aspx

    What's going on here? Did I catch the website during an update gone wrong? Or is something else going on?

    Ultimately ... are they coming back?

    Any help would be appreciated,
    Seth
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    • SethCall
      Michael_Lapke Hi Seth,



      Welcome to the forums! I'm not sure why you can't see the drivers but I just checked and they are indeed there. (both links) After clicking either of the links you provided just click on "download" and then scroll down and you should see it.
      • May 22, 2015
    • SethCall
      SethCall Hi Michael,



      Thanks for the response.



      If I click either link, and scroll all the way to the bottom, the only driver available in the section called 'Drivers' is ASIO4ALL (definitely not the driver I'm looking for).



      This is quite unexpected; until very recently, someone could also find both the Behringer 32bit and 64bit Windows drivers in that section as well.



      Are you seeing more than just the ASIO4ALL driver? Or has something indeed gone off the rails here?



      Thanks!



      Seth
      • May 22, 2015
    • SethCall
      DavidWilson1 Hey Michael -



      I have the same question. The only driver listed now is ASIO4ALL, which is not good. Where did the Windows ASIO driver written by Behringer specifically for the UM2 go? It's not there, and it used to be. The Behringer driver was/is good. ASIO4ALL not good.
      • May 26, 2015
    • SethCall
      SethCall Hi Michael,



      I hate to be a bother but do you have any insight into this problem?



      Thanks,

      Seth
      • May 29, 2015
    • SethCall
      Michael_Lapke Seth,



      You will notice underneath where the ASIO4ALL driver is on those webpages it says:



      ASIO4ALL USB Audio Driver

      - Combined 32/64-bit 3rd party driver for Windows

      - Supports Windows XP to 7 (32/64-bit)

      - For OS X no drivers required



      This is indeed the driver you are are looking for. Have you tried installing it yet?
      • May 29, 2015
  • JohnMilner
    Super Contributor - Level 2
    2016-04-27
    For anyone who might be interested, the X Air iEQ App for iPhone and iPad is available in the App Store:

    https://itunesconnect.apple.com/WebObjects/iTunesConnect.woa/ra/ng/app/1106383513



    The App permits remote control of the DEQ racks in the X Air series of consoles, and also allows Auto-EQ of FOH and Monitors.
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    • JohnMilner
      KevinKommit How does auto EQ work and what does it do?
      • April 27, 2016
    • JohnMilner
      MarkMel This is very cool. A couple of questions;



      What mic will it use to do the auto eq? The one in the iPhone or iPad?



      If I am running an android tablet, I'm assuming this can be used at the same time to auto eq?



      Thanks!
      • April 27, 2016
    • JohnMilner
      GeraldCampbell Has anyone tried this app yet looks interesting but I hate to spend $9 if it not working right. Wish there was a demo version.
      • April 27, 2016
    • JohnMilner
      KennethOsmanich I am wondering if it will control the EQ screen for the X-air mixers?

      Someone must have tried this...
      • April 28, 2016
    • JohnMilner
      AbrahamRay

      Kenneth Osmanich;75100 wrote:

      I am wondering if it will control the EQ screen for the X-air mixers?

      Someone must have tried this...




      Looks like, from the description on the store, that it can control the GEQ/TEQ, if you are using it... as I do not, typically, so I would not use this... when he comes out with FPM app, that will be nice and will easily get my money, even if I only use it until the offical Q app comes out... if this controled PEQ/VEQ, I would happily give him my $9 (c'mon its only $9 and he spent the time to make it).
      • April 28, 2016
  • lidserter
    Contributor - Level 2
    2013-07-03
    Since April my unit is locking and freezing randomly, I can't reproduce why nor make a workaround... Any suggestions?
    I would like to hear anything about your experience with TC service too, if they solved your issues, how much time they took, email communication... particularly with this self boot/self locking issue.

    Thank you all,

    JJ
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    • lidserter
      Fabione72 Hi there.



      Just in case it helps, I had many (and really strange) problems after I loaded some memory dumps shared by other users (zip file on TC Electronics site).



      I solved the issue by factory reset + reloading my settings via the PC application (MIDI).



      Have you tried with a factory reset as well?





      Talking about support, unfortunately seems to be quite slow...
      • July 3, 2013
    • lidserter
      lidserter Thank you Fabione for your reply. I have never loaded shared memory dumps, only once, I made a backup of my settings and after a factory restart reloaded them. After that reset a new parameter was found on GLOBAL, between View Angle and Input Range: Input Channel. It let you specify if you want to operate with left input or stereo input. Weird enough it disappeared itself and I can't take it back even recreating the factory reset. In the meantime the unit continued to fail.



      The thing is I've got expensive shipping for my unit ($150 US dollars), which is in warranty, because I reside in another country than where it was bought, so if shipped and issues don't get solved... you imagine. I'm trying to get some feedback from you users who had deal with TC service. I'm still waiting a reply for the email I send them.



      JJ
      • July 4, 2013
    • lidserter
      lidserter Finally I opened my unit and press hard the ribbon cable connector on the front panel, which I read sometimes doesn't cut through the cable isolation and made poor contact. I believe that with temperature changes the material shrinks or expands and then there is bad contact leading to random behavior.



      BTW this is a very easy procedure that I strongly recommend you all, it only needs to take out 4 screws, the ones at the sides (torx type). Then retire the mounting legs and slide the aluminum front to one side and you should find the connector next to the power on switch. It looked pretty solid, but I rocked on the ribbon cable connected there and press hard the connector housing... It worked for me, and my G major 2 doesn't failed again since that. But if someday it fails again then I'll solder the cable.



      cheers,

      JJ



      pd: I'm still waiting TC service center reply..
      • July 15, 2013
    • lidserter
      Chomii I have read a lot of bad things and a lot of nice things about TC products and now i am thorn apart. I was considering of buying ether G system or G major 2. After reading your post and many more posts similar to yours i am maby considering buying separate effect pedals instead. Do you still have the same problem with TC or you find a way to fix it.
      • October 25, 2013
    • lidserter
      lidserter The problem isn't with TC but with my unit in particular, but such problem occurs very often as you can read trough the forum.

      Actually my unit has freezed again twice, but turning power off and back on "solved" it on both cases. I haven't found the time to open the unit and solder each wire of the ribbon cable, but I'm sure this would fix it, however I can't tell... When done I'll post here in order to say if it worked or not.
      • October 25, 2013
  • elfredoo
    Contributor - Level 2
    2008-08-07
    Hi,

    since there are many (!) threads about how to get a rig with a G-System silent, I'd like to give my input and share the knowledge I gained.

    I have two rigs which I combine with the G:

    1) G-System, Marshall JMP1, Engl 830/50 (figure 2, bottom)
    2) G-System, Mesa Roadster (figure 3, bottom)
    (The Morley is the same)

    I got both systems silent and I just have one (!) big (!!) cable to connect them both:

    figure 1: 8channel snake and jacks

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/snake.jpg

    I use the MIDI to change programs on the JMP and the switch jacks if I go with the Roadster (which by the way makes bad switching noise, but it's a problem of the Roadster, not of the G's switches).
    If you wanted to use the G R-out to go stereo on rack systems, you would of course need another (third) Ebtech channel. I use it to route my acoustic sounds (that com from the Fender VG) to the main stage PA.

    For this setup you need:

    - 8 channel snake (I got 9 metres for big stages ) (6,90 Euro per metre in Germany),
    e.g. http://www.thomann.de/gb/sommer_cable_quantum_highflex_multipair_8.htm

    - several jacks as you can see in the picture (2x) (depends on type < 50 Euro)

    - Morley Ebtech HumEliminator (66,- Euro in Germany),
    e.g. http://www.thomann.de/gb/ebtech_by_morley_hum_eliminator_2.htm

    - patience and a bit of soldering skills (always use soldering flux!!! ... serious!)


    This is (as far as I can see) the absolute easiest way to connect the G with the 4-cable method to an amp or a rack-system. I had the experience that you always have to put the Ebtech before you go into the amp (Ch1 for Amp input, Ch2 for Amp return/PA in) like:

    G. Insert send -----> balanced cable -----> EBTECH in ch 1
    EBTECH out ch 1. -----> short well shielded cable -----> Preamp/Amp input

    Preamp/Amp Send -----> balanced cable -----> G. Insert return

    G output -----> balanced cable -----> EBTECH in ch2
    EBTECH out ch2 -----> short well shielded cable -----> Preamp/Amp Return or Poweramp in

    You have to spend money but you CAN get the G quiet. I still have a bit of loss in dynamics cause I use the boost on the G. It also results in less gain in the drive channel...but the Mesa Roadster got enough.

    Hope I could help,
    Fred

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    figure 2: G-System and JMP1 (or other preamp)
    [up: JMP1 front, middle: G rear, bottom: JMP1 rear, PA means guitar power amplifier):

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/GandJMP1.jpg



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    figure 3: G-System and Roadster (or other amp/combo)
    [up: Roadster front, middle: G rear, bottom: Roadster rear):

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/GandRoadster.jpg





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    figure 4: Connecting the Mesa Roadster (ch1 and ch2 on ebtech are swapped in comparison to scheme above.)

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/img_9740.jpg







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    figure 5: Connecting the Roadster (detail), switch channel selector of roadster to "ch1" (on the right) and you don't need to switch for channel 1, because the roadster automatically does, when it doesn't get any signal. You can use the fourth relay to switch the boost or reverb of the roadster for example.

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/img_9745.jpg







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    figure 6: 8channel snake and jacks

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/img_9750.jpg




    ***EDIT***
    OK, here's another scheme, of how to wire a setup with G-System and Roadster. Try without pedals first. If it is clean (no hum) then add pedal by pedal into the loop. If there's hum again, when adding one pedal then use another hum-eliminator between loop send and pedal in.

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    figure 7: Wiring scheme

    better quality: http://www.2WO-quadrat.de/__extras/G-SystemAndRoadster.jpg
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    • elfredoo
      proxy Hi there



      I am just wondering if you can tell me where to incorporate Rack EQ with this set up?I'd like to keep EQ at the same levels at all time.



      Your help is appreciated
      • September 22, 2008
    • elfredoo
      elfredoo why don't you lock the eq of the g?



      i would begin by setting your system up without eq and get it clean. then integrate it a) pre-gain: between G-insert-out and hum-e1 or b) post-gain: between G-out and hum-e2
      • October 7, 2008
    • elfredoo
      JayS Hi, great idea for a clean setup. I just ordered some 8-channel snake and a EH-2 but now I'm wondering how did you wire those plugs, because it seems the first input plug is mono and the rest are stereo plugs?



      Also, I found this for MIDI wiring: http://www.philrees.co.uk/midiplug.htm . Can you confirm that this is correct?
      • October 23, 2008
    • elfredoo
      Laird_Williams

      JayS wrote:

      Hi, great idea for a clean setup. I just ordered some 8-channel snake and a EH-2 but now I'm wondering how did you wire those plugs, because it seems the first input plug is mono and the rest are stereo plugs?


      Don't worry about it.

      1) The EbTech converts between balanced and unbalanced signals. You use the snake between the balanced jacks of if the G-System and the EbTech. You then use SHORT unbalanced connections between the EbTech and the amp. So on these connections, there is no issue since balanced and unbalanced connections are being converted properly.

      2) As-wired by Fred, one connection does cross between an unbalanced jack (the amp send) and a balanced jack (the g-system insert return). Since the output end of this connection (the amp send) is the unbalanced one, and the input end of the connection is balanced, this creates a "pseudo-balanced" connection - which has some of the RF-cancelling properties of a fully-balanced connection.



      Thus - in this configuration - all 3 connections between the amp and the g-system are balanced - and two of the 3 are transformer isolated. In most cases, this results in sufficient RF prevention, in even the noisiest EMI environments.



      Having said this, in rare cases - a ground loop may also be present on the amp send <---> insert return connection. If this happens, you may want to consider another EbTech so you can transformer isolate that connection as well. Doing so will also reject more RF since the connection will be truly balanced rather than pseudo-balanced. Note: most folks do NOT find this step necessary. I do it in both my home studio rig (where ALL line-level connections in the studio are balanced and transformer isolated - a HARD, fast rule in my home studio) and in my portable rig - where I have mounted two EbTech boxes onto my amp and wired them up semi-permanently.
      • October 23, 2008
    • elfredoo
      elfredoo hi, i wired up like in the picture (one is mono, you're right)...

      the midi template is correct.



      it works great for me. let me know, if yours does too.
      • October 26, 2008
  • marti25930
    Contributor - Level 2
    2010-03-29
    Just wanted to know what amps are u guys (and gals) using with your Nova System. I want to change my Fender '59 Bassman Ltd (a reissue) because the bass sounds woofy and the highs are too ice-picky at high volumes. Also, the nova distortion sounds subpar with this amp. What do you recommend? I need a 40-50W amp that can stay pretty clean at higher volumes.
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    • marti25930
      Paul461 I use a Mesa/Boogie F50...clean channel is clean as...easy amp to use and a nice size.
      • March 29, 2010
    • marti25930
      jimbasara Carr Slant Six for small club gigs.



      ZT Lunchbox amp for band practice.



      Both work great with the NS.



      For larger venues I have a rackmount rig that I use a G System with, but the NS sounds good there too. That has an Egnater M4 preamp and a Fryette 2-50-2 power amp.
      • March 29, 2010
    • marti25930
      edoates I've used it with a Marshall JCM 2000 and a couple of different Peavey stacks (clean channels) at RRFC worked well; at home, Fender Deluxe Reverb RI; Vibrolux Reverb "Custom" (not the vintage unit). It works well with all of those units.
      • March 29, 2010
    • marti25930
      Lespauldude I use an ENGL 670 SE with EL34's. The clean channel sparkles.
      • March 30, 2010
    • marti25930
      NicDOak Fuchs Overdrive Supreme 30 SLX. Loves it.
      • March 31, 2010
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