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  • TekGecko
    Contributor - Level 1
    2013-06-17
    Hey Guys,

    I have a slight problem with my Ditto Looper Pedal.
    I have my guitar set up correctly with the guitar going into the right hand side and my amp coming out the left of the pedal. When I engage the Ditto however no sound comes out of my amp... When I play back the loop I just recorded though it plays just fine but I can't hear myself through the amp when recording.
    Anyone else having this problem? Thanks in advance.

    Regards,
    Sam.
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    • TekGecko
      lidserter You have 2 ways to use your DITTO:

      1) Connect your guitar to ditto input (it is labeled on the pedal)

      Connect the other side of the ditto (the output) to the input of your amp.

      For clean sounds this should work fine. However if you use distortion in the amp you will get an undefined sound, because you are distorting both the looped sound and the live sound you are playing. For this reason some effects, ditto looper too, work way better trough an "effects loop".



      An effects loop is a feature many amplifiers have. It let you place an effects pedal between the preamplifier section of your amp and the power amp section.

      So then what is this? A "combo" amplifier has 3 basic components: the preamplifier, the power amp and the speaker. The preamplifier is where your guitar signal -low level- is distorted and equalized, then the power amp section amplifies it in order to feed the speaker, and finally the speaker moves the surrounding air and you hear what you are playing. So...



      2) Connect your ditto on an FX loop. First connect the guitar directly to the amp input, then place the ditto in the fx loop as follows:

      Some amps label the fx loop jacks as send and return, others (fender) as pre out and pwr in. Use the logic and connect the send (pre out) to the ditto input, then the ditto output to the return (pwr in). As a result you can record a clean rhythm in the ditto and play a distorted sound over it, without distorting the clean too...



      JJ
      • June 19, 2013
    • TekGecko
      TekGecko

      lidserter wrote:

      You have 2 ways to use your DITTO:

      1) Connect your guitar to ditto input (it is labeled on the pedal)

      Connect the other side of the ditto (the output) to the input of your amp.

      For clean sounds this should work fine. However if you use distortion in the amp you will get an undefined sound, because you are distorting both the looped sound and the live sound you are playing. For this reason some effects, ditto looper too, work way better trough an "effects loop".



      An effects loop is a feature many amplifiers have. It let you place an effects pedal between the preamplifier section of your amp and the power amp section.

      So then what is this? A "combo" amplifier has 3 basic components: the preamplifier, the power amp and the speaker. The preamplifier is where your guitar signal -low level- is distorted and equalized, then the power amp section amplifies it in order to feed the speaker, and finally the speaker moves the surrounding air and you hear what you are playing. So...



      2) Connect your ditto on an FX loop. First connect the guitar directly to the amp input, then place the ditto in the fx loop as follows:

      Some amps label the fx loop jacks as send and return, others (fender) as pre out and pwr in. Use the logic and connect the send (pre out) to the ditto input, then the ditto output to the return (pwr in). As a result you can record a clean rhythm in the ditto and play a distorted sound over it, without distorting the clean too...



      JJ






      Thanks for the in depth reply JJ! Will give this a go!

      Sam
      • June 19, 2013
    • TekGecko
      lawles_delicacy Hello, i´ve got the same problem...i sended it back because i thougt there is something wrong with the switch..got a new one now but have the same problem again...you press record and the sound disapears of the amp, you press play and the loop comes clearly. everything is correctly connectet, i also bought new cables but nothing helps....thats sad because it would be realy good fun if it would work well !!
      • July 15, 2013
    • TekGecko
      lidserter Another issue of poor quality check for TC products. It seems they throw their products without in depth testing or without a proper quality check at factory. I thought stompboxes were apart from this, but here you are, complaining about a strange behavior, and 4 or 5 more users complained about the same. I got a G Major 2 rack fx processor which freezes and locks itself while playing, what is unacceptable, the thing is that many many users had this behavior too since its release back to 2009. And same goes for Nova System and G System, people complaining about strange anomalies and bugs. Something needs to be done at factory!
      • July 15, 2013
    • TekGecko
      Nickbartleet I have the same problem with mine but my amp doesn't have an effects loop, any tips? It's really quite annoying.
      • December 11, 2013
  • Goonga
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-09-07
    Hi, just thought I'd share this experience with you folks - there are so many variables with this stuff, in the end you have to use your own ears, but this might steer a few less experienced users in the right direction.

    I am a session muso and bought the Nova to replace a large pedalboard for fly-in gigs (as Australian airlines have started to kill touring muso's with their baggage allowances!). The music I play requires a lot of clean patches, ie. there is no hiding behind a wall of distortion when trying to get a great tone.
    As with any digital converters you have to be really careful about how you set your levels etc. and I discovered this was absolutely critical with the Nova - just a few dB difference when setting up the 'Input Gain' structure can completely change your tone.
    This may not work for everyone, but this is what I found worked the best with my setup (Senn Telecaster into a '68 Deluxe Reverb) and it's not what the manual suggested... (-:
    (I tested this in a studio with an A/B box and an isolated amp in a separate room so that volume etc. didn't cloud my judgement).

    I firstly did what the manual suggested and brought the input level up to unity (playing as loudly as possible) then backed it off a couple. This was definitely not the optimal setting (which was about 20 for my tele). I noticed when playing higher up and digging in, the top end was quite nasty so I backed it off even more - and after going up and down the settings, found the best spot was 14 - nowhere near the unity gain indicated by the Nova. Just a few dB either side of this was a completely different and less usable tone (higher up was nasty, lower was dull and lifeless). So... that part of the setup is crucial to getting the best out of your unit - and I suggest spending a fair bit of time finding the best spot for you and your particular guitar.

    I also noticed (and expected) that there were still some deficiencies in the tone when A/B'd with the straight-in guitar (due to the A/D conversion in and out of the unit) - although have to say it was better than expected. By putting a Keeley compressor before the unit and using a very low compression setting and just boosting (the Keeley also 'fattens' it a bit) the guitar signal ever so slightly it brought the 'through the unit' tone much closer to the direct guitar (of course if you're going to do this you have to recheck your input level settings).

    My last improvement involves the boost option. I disabled it! (if you want to do this, do it before any of the other stuff). I love the idea of having a boost (can't live without one) but with the TC units (I used to own a G-System as well) all you're doing is lowering the original signal before it gets to the boost and then just bringing the signal back up to it's original level when you hit the boost. It is a subtle effect on your tone (by having it lowered a few dB) but it all adds up and this is definitely not the way to boost your signal (IMHO). It would have been fantastic for TC to have a separate Analog circuit for the boost after everything else in the unit. But, considering how cheap these things are - that might be expecting a bit much.

    Hope this all doesn't sound too negative - I think for the money, this is the best unit on the market for this niche - and I have tried them all!!!!

    If anyone from TC is listening... is there a way for the boost button (now irrelevant on my unit) to be switched to an EQ on/off button?

    Love your work.

    Goonga
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    • Goonga
      divil Great advice there Goonga...it's a shame also that the input level is not saved with the bank/patch....having 3 guitars with 3 different output level means trying to find a 'ball park' setting is not the best!



      Divil
      • September 7, 2009
    • Goonga
      Goonga Hey Divil,



      Yep, it's a critical part of the equation and with varying guitars it's an issue...
      • September 7, 2009
    • Goonga
      Jawa This a great overview. Thank you. Input setting per preset seems like it should be part of the next update!
      • September 7, 2009
    • Goonga
      Chris78 Hi Goonga,



      thanks for sharing you experience with us! I'd like to know something regarding your explanation of the boost function. I guess you're right - when solely looking into the digital domain, the boost can't push the signal higher than 0dB, which means the unboosted signal has to be levelled somewhere below that. But do you really think that the internal leveling of the signal some dB below the max produces a loss of tone? The Nova has a resolution of 24Bits, which is a lot of headroom. Is it possible that you just forgot to adjust the overall output level of the Nova, so that you're now getting a clean tone into your amp that is quieter than when going directly into it? This would surely give loss of tone, especially with a tube amp that expects a proper input level.



      I set the Nova up this way: After bringing up the input level to unity gain, i compared the Nova output volume with the bypassed volume. Hearing that the Nova was some dB below my bypass signal i adjusted the output amplifier of the Nova, which is accessible via the levels menu (advanced mode, i guess) to +14 dB, thus bringing both signals to equal volume. When i now hit the boost, it is definitely a boost, the Nova makes the signal louder, pushes the amp harder, etc. while my unboosted signal is as loud as if going directly into the amp.



      Best, Chris
      • September 8, 2009
    • Goonga
      Goonga Hey Chris78,



      I'm hoping you're right - will test it out. I haven't done a thorough test (for the boost) with the Nova - I did, however, do it with the G-System a couple of years ago and there was definitely tone loss unless the boost function was removed so just assumed they were using the same thing in the Nova.



      Will test it out in the studio this week and let you know what the ears think... if you're right it would mean not needing to take a boost pedal to gigs - which, of course, would make my day. However, I have my suspicions - I know it's 24bit, but noticed that even a couple of dB either side of the optimal input setting was enough to change the tone quite dramatically (to my ears).



      Thanks,



      Goonga
      • September 9, 2009
  • TC-Mike
    Triber Moderator
    2016-05-30
    Hi all,

    we have a BETA version of the new Ditto X4 firmware available that adds the missing Midi CC support and some bugfixes.

    What’s new ?

    - Program change and CC control as per midi spec (** using only official midi spec unassigned ccs, not 1 to 17, but we can easily change this if you feel strongly about using CCs 1 to 17.).
    - Don't cancel undo on stop button (only after double tap to stop).
    - Properly schedule 2x and half speed in serial mode.
    - Fix memory out of bound reading due to stretch buffers not being quite big enough on edge cases (may have been cause of some instabilities).
    - Free mode now allows serial mode to switch playback instantly.
    - Allows both fade in and fade out: Press fade to start fade, press during progress to force the finish of a fade, press again to start fade-in, press again to force finish of the fade in.
    - Only employ intelligent "groove return" on reverse and speed changes when midi sync is active.
    - Increased time to erase both loops on hold stop.
    - Increased fade in/out time.
    - Double Tap Time reduced to make it easier to tap to stop.
    - Queued mode record set now blinks red light while waiting to set.
    - Various stability fixes.


    If you want to test drive the update, please get in touch with our tech support team:

    http://support.tcelectronic.com/tickets/new

    or drop me a mail:

    [email protected]


    With best regards,

    Mike
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      JeremyGrx Hi Mike,



      Thanks for the update! I'm gonna send you a mail for beta testing. I have a couple of questions though:

      - Will the ditto x4 be able to be the master on MIDI sync?

      - Can you detail how we can use the PC and CC with the pedal now?



      Thanks again



      Jeremy
      • May 30, 2016
    • TC-Mike
      jielbi hi mike , are midi start/stop available with this beta version ?
      • May 31, 2016
    • TC-Mike
      soundog ...this looks promising (though I already sent my D4 back due to lack of CC support.)



      FYI, using only unassigned ccs is not a problem, so >17 is fine with me.



      Maybe I'll order another pedal and give this new support a try, as it is crucial for my application. The cc function set looks good, although why no volume control for Loop 1 and Loop 2?



      Thx...
      • June 6, 2016
    • TC-Mike
      Phattlippz It would be awesome to hear what controllers the team has tried successfully with the Ditto X4. Also, would an iOS device be able to control it, with the appropriate cable?
      • June 10, 2016
    • TC-Mike
      Phattlippz

      Speaner wrote:

      I can't speak to a list of friendly controllers... But yes, CC's have been tested on an iPad and it worked great!




      Sweet! Now, can I run iMaschine or iMPC and sync Ditto4 to the i-device?
      • June 10, 2016
  • 2084
    Contributor - Level 2
    2012-09-09
    Hi guys,

    I've recently changed my rig set-up so that the G System is now racked. Ever since using the rack with my ENGL Powerball there's a noticeable hum, I've tested all the cables and they're all working fine. Could someone please offer any suggestions?

    I'm using G System with 2x EBJR exp/vol pedals - Korg DTR rack runer and Samson Power conditioner. I plug the ENGL Powerball + Korg DTR tuner + G System into the Samson power strip

    Cheers
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    • 2084
      elfredoo try isolating the rack's metal parts from the g-system's metal parts
      • September 9, 2012
    • 2084
      2084 I've got a SKB 3U X-rack with tuner, G System and power conditioner on-top... how can I do this?
      • September 10, 2012
    • 2084
      2084 Anyone? I really want to avoid having to put the Noise Gate on every single preset just to combat it as it certainly sucks tone out of the sounds
      • September 11, 2012
    • 2084
      Bread I'm no expert here but could you take the g unit out of the rack and put it on top of your skb rack so then no metal parts are touching the rack of the g system or anything else. Plug it all in and see if it still hums - if not you know what the problem is - if it still hums then you can fit it back in the rack and try something else.



      Like I said I'm no expert but I think that's what he meant
      • September 11, 2012
    • 2084
      2084 It's 3U rack with 3 devices inside it, so it's impossible to separate it from any metal parts unless there's something I can buy to put INBETWEEN them? I've seen plenty of people using the G in the rack with a similar set up and it's not caused any hum issues.
      • September 11, 2012
  • BASSically
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-05-02
    Well I actually ordered one yesterday. The Rebel Head 450.
    Delivery is expected Wed or Thurs. of this week.
    It is not cheap here in Canada.
    It will be interesting to see just how it holds up to the weekend warrior use it is about to be thrust into.
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      BASSically BASSically speaking....

      The Rebel Head 450 arrived about a week ago.

      Quite a nice (SMALL) package, along with a single dual 10 cabinet.



      Tried this combo out practicing on some tunes I needed to brush up on. Wow!! would be an understatement. I dialed in but did not refine the presets.. To date they are still not dialed right in. I have moved some of the EQ's but they will be dialed in gradually from here on. They will also help dial in the speaker cab You use. Is a great feature.

      The next thing I did was use the amp with each individual speaker cab I own.

      The cabinets do make a big difference in the sound.

      What I have settled on cabinet wise in the TC dual 10 along with my Aguilar dual 12 cab..

      This setup gives a nice round bottom end and nice mid / high definition.. It really does sound awesome..

      I have had one full band practice with this combo and have received thumbs up from the other guys in the band. They just can not believe that such a small package delivers such a huge sound.

      So my weekend warrior rig will consist of the RH450, RS 2x10 & Aguilar 2x12.

      I will carry a standby head just in case but hey that should be a common practice. I just wish it was another RH450 not the 45lb. boat anchor.



      I have used a lot of different gear over my 42 years of playing and find the RH450 very easy to set up & tot around too.

      I guess between now and October I'll get a real good Idea of just how well the little monster is going to stand up as it will be on the road quit a bit over the next 5 months..



      I also broke down and ordered the foot switch RC4 and gig bag for the head. They have not arrived yet.

      The reason I ordered the foot switch is for the presets. I can see a lot of use happening with them just from the short time I have had the head. It will make it a lot easier to switch between them during songs.





      Until next time.

      Bassically
      • May 24, 2009
    • BASSically
      BASSically Well first gig done and behind me with this rig.

      3 one hour sets.

      It took me all of 10 minutes to set it up

      and make final tweaks for the room.

      The amp really packed a punch, filled and articulated very well.

      Volume setting about 10:30 on the dial. running the SR210 and Aguilar 2x12.

      The deep low end I have set up really loaded the room up. So I ended up just tweaking the low control down a bit. 2 clicks on the dial.. All done.

      Room was of a medium size venue.

      This amp was not even hot after each set which surprised me I thought for sure it would be.. Still need to tweak the P EQ's a bit.



      Oh yeah this thing packs real nice into my mini van didn't break my back loading it either. Leaves lots of room for other gear.

      I guess we will find out how the cabinet finish is going to hold out.

      One move - already some scuffs but no finish removed.



      The guys in the band were quite amazed yet again, that this little head could sound so big & accomplish so much.

      Unill next time



      BASSically
      • June 7, 2009
    • BASSically
      johnwentzien This is by far the best bass system I have EVER used!

      (i have used just about everthing out there in the past 30+ years)
      • June 23, 2009
    • BASSically
      BASSically Well here I am again.

      A few more gigs behind me using the rh450 rs210 and Aguilar2x12.

      Amp continues to be solid and tight. You have to watch the tube tone, sound tends to get a little loose if you use too much of it. It was awesome at the last gig maybe because I'm getting it tuned to the Musicman Bongo5 I'm using.. One of the guys asked me if I had turned up .. No was my answer. I was just playing a little harder which came out loud, clear & tight.

      So far I have to say this little amp has been just great. I have no trouble at all with getting my sound out.. and there is lots left if I need to turn up. Having the rs2x10 on it's end sure makes a differance in what you hear from this rig as well.



      Since my last post I have received the travel gig bag for the head just to transport it with some protection and I got the foot switch for selecting the presets & tuning. Yes I bought them..

      The foot switch is very very well constructed and should withstand many a heavey foot on the switches. It also will mute the amp for tuning if you wish.. It is worth the money and you should get it at the same time you buy the head.. You will not be disapointed.

      I used it extensively last gig. worked flawlessly, never even missed a note when changing pre sets during songs.



      The Rs 2X10 is not on the other hand standing up well to the riggers of the road cosmeticaly.. It is already showing wear (scratches and scuffs) from rubbing against other gear.. I guess a cover would be in order if you plan on road tripping this cab to any great extent. I think that if it had been carpet covered it would stand up better with out covers.

      These things do not alter the sound it pumps out ..I just like my gear to stay as new looking as possible.. So don't forget you will need a speaker cabinet cover if road tripping this.



      I have to say it is the best sounding rig I have had the pleasure to use to date hands down..

      It sure saves me carrying the pre amp, power amp combo I have been lugging.

      It has sure taken a back seat. I'm actually thinking of retireing that set up even though it is a year old.. the rh450 just out dose it with tons of tone..

      I'm waiting now for a larger gig where I have to plug into the main pa board. That should be interesting to say the least.



      Untill next time

      BASSically speaking..
      • July 2, 2009
    • BASSically
      BASSically Today is Sunday.

      I got in at 5AM this morning from playing a gig up North in cottage country..

      Was a good gig and the club owner wants us back again so All was good I guess.

      I had a great time with my rig..

      Had to put it through a big board last night.. It worked out OK.

      The DI output was supplying lots of signal to the board and it was set up with no real difficulty.

      They left my strip flat so I could come out of the head post with my sound already dialed in. It was real cool..to have no hassle..



      Rig worked its heart out and still was not even warm so I guess the engineers have the right size cooling equipment installed in this head..





      Sounds that this rig makes still blowing me away..

      I think for once I spent my money on the right thing..



      The moveable Perimetric EQ's were a brilliant addition as well. You can really dial in with these 4 PEQ's and I love em..



      Rs-210 still taking a beating from the road but is still sounding great.



      so I have a couple of weeks off now untill next gig which will give me some time to play with it some more at home.. More tweak time ..LOL



      Until next time BASSically speaking.
      • July 12, 2009
  • wsot
    Contributor - Level 2
    2011-01-16
    Not sure if this has been asked before, but pretty much everyone comes to this forum already owning an amp they like and then trying to integrate the G with it.

    I wondered about from the other angle - is there an amp which is "perfect" for the G System and once set up offers no tone loss or other oddities?

    Also are there amps that definitely don't work well with the G System, no matter how much time and effort is put in?
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    • wsot
      Acshreds It seems to play well with my mark V.
      • January 15, 2011
    • wsot
      CodyCass1 My hughes and kettner triamp mkII has been the best I've seen one work with.

      I've tried it with the following:

      Mesa boogie triple rec

      Mesa boogie dual rec reborn

      Mesa boogie Stiletto

      Mesa boogie mark 4

      mesa boogie roadking

      Bogner Shiva

      Bogner uberschall

      Deizel herbert

      Framus Cobra

      B52 VT-100

      Engl Powerball II



      The roadking worked with it awesome, and id say the mark V will be just as good which is awesome! Im a HUGE mesa fan, and i've owned 2, but once i cranked up the hughes and kettner I had to say goodbye. I am looking at getting a mesa soon though. I miss the tone.
      • January 15, 2011
    • wsot
      Mel Integrated very easily with my Rivera S120 which is a stereo 60W per channel EL34 or 6L6 amp with amazing tonal flexibility. The only issue is older Riveras used momentary contact channel switching which G-Sys doesn't support yet.... something I don't understand because it can be addressed in firmware. The S120 has a properly buffered loop with stereo return with gain controls for send and the returns. Paul Rivera (a legendary Fender designer), who designs these amps, actually knows something about electronic theory which is something I wonder about with some of the amps out there . BTW, they just introduced a line of overdrive/distortion pedals which look interesting.
      • January 15, 2011
    • wsot
      Dr_Donovan I guess it's not only a question of the amp model. Pickups, cables, wiring, 4-cable, 3-cable, 2-cable method, rackmounted or not... and so on. All these things have influence on G integration. The more complex your rig is, the more sources of errors you could have. Which does not necessarily means that large rigs are more prone to sound problems. In the end, every rig needs its special tweaking, precisely because the G isn't a 'plug&play' unit.



      When it comes to amps, most likely the FX loop is a critical element for your tonal results with the G.



      And just to continue the list of amps: no problems with my Diezel Einstein and the G on a pedalboard, here.
      • January 15, 2011
    • wsot
      Banenis Yeah my Splawn head was no problem at all.



      I think another big thing that would make every amp work a hell of a lot better is if people did their homework before setting up a rig.



      I spent months lurking in forums all over the Internet trying to figure out if I should get this effects processor or that one, this midi controller or that one, this amp or that one...and ensuring that the choices I made along the way would suit my music and would work well together.



      I think too often people are like, "Steve vai uses a g system in that YouTube video so I'm gonna buy one to use with the amp ive had for 11 years." Maybe for some of them that works out and that's great, but I think a lot of those units get returned or underutilized or we end up directing people to laird's white paper and ebtech boxes. And that's just because they want to be told how to set it up, they don't care to understand their gear and how it works together.



      With a few exceptions, most any amp can work well with the g sys one way or another but people need to make sure they know what theyre getting into before they go dropping all these donkey loads of cash and then whining and begging for help.



      So that's my rant. Sorry. To answer your actual question, I don't think any amp could be perfect for the g sys because every g sys user is different and has different needs. My Splawn works perfectly for me but is much too heavy sounding for most, etc.
      • January 15, 2011
  • ohickmott
    Contributor - Level 2
    2008-05-05
    Hi everybody,

    I was just interested in peoples opinions on this one:

    I have a Marshall JMP1 and of-course a G-Major with an EL84 20/20 poweramp, I currently have hocked the G-Major up to the send and return of the JMP1's FX loop and am quite pleased with the result but upon reading the G-Major manual I noticed that TC Electronic recommend going from the output of the preamp into the G-Major and then into the poweramp. Not sure why but this never really occurred to me before :0S I had a play and some of the FX do come across with more depth and character and the tone of the JMP1 seems less affected, to be fair the JMP1's FX loop is pretty far from fantastic!

    I just wondered if there are any of you out there with a JMP1 rig and how you have yours connected up?

    Cheers
    Olly
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      SiDude Hi,



      This is my first post, I've just signed up ! )



      I run my G-Major in the FX loop of my JMP-1, I found it sounded best in the loop (which I can then also switch on and off per patch and kept it out of the signal path) rather than have it after the JMP-1 where as everything goes through it. Also helps if it freezes (though mines only done that twice in two years) as I can change to a patch with the G-Major out of the signal path and no-one will know !



      All this goes into a Mesa Boogie 50/50 into a Marshall x12 cab. I prefer the sound of the 6L6GC tubes with the JMP-1. How do you find the EL84 ?





      Hope this helps.



      Si
      • May 6, 2008
    • ohickmott
      RGR I hav emy G major in the effect loop of the JMP1.. i tried it on theoutputs and could not really tell any difference in the tone to be honest. The reason I prefer it in the loop is that if something goes wrong live, say i blow a fuse/power amp tube or something I can always just run feeds from the Jmp1s amp sim outs to the desk...it sounds cool enough in an emergency.
      • May 18, 2008
    • ohickmott
      Benny

      SiDude wrote:

      Hi,



      This is my first post, I've just signed up ! )



      I run my G-Major in the FX loop of my JMP-1, I found it sounded best in the loop (which I can then also switch on and off per patch and kept it out of the signal path) rather than have it after the JMP-1 where as everything goes through it. Also helps if it freezes (though mines only done that twice in two years) as I can change to a patch with the G-Major out of the signal path and no-one will know !



      All this goes into a Mesa Boogie 50/50 into a Marshall x12 cab. I prefer the sound of the 6L6GC tubes with the JMP-1. How do you find the EL84 ?





      Hope this helps.



      Si


      What do you mean with "also helps if it freezes"?

      I have this issue with my G-Major (it freezes). I connected it how was suggested in the manual (JMP1's outputs to the g-major's inputs, and g-major's outputs to power amp's inputs).

      Do you think if I connect the unit in the FX loop, it won't freeze anymore?

      It sounds strange, but I'll try.



      So... you connected the JMP1's send to the g-major's LEFT input (the right input remains empty), right? and the g-major's outputs to the JMP1's returns.
      • December 2, 2008
    • ohickmott
      raven1a He means that, if you hook the G-Major into the effects loop of the JMP and the G-Major freezes, you can bypass the loop taking the frozen G-Major out of the equation and you will still be able to play through the amp. Connecting it like that won't cause the G-Major to stop freezing. It will just give you a way to bypass it if it does freeze.
      • December 3, 2008
    • ohickmott
      sacerdoth For some reason whenever I hook up my g-major into the fx loop of the jmp-1 I notice a significant loss of gain/volume. Note: even if I set in and out levels to max on the g-major, there's still less volume than the jmp-1 dry (fx bypassed). I'm also using balanced cables that are recommended by tc electronic.

      Can anybody help me with that?
      • January 19, 2009
  • paulg2uk
    Contributor - Level 2
    2012-02-12
    Hi all,

    Just thought I'd post this. I used to be a g sys user but decided to sell my rig just before xmas and buy an axe fx 2. Although I like what the axe has to offer I'm finding it hard to get what I wanna hear and find myself tweaking patches all the time which can be time consuming and a pain in the arse. I don't remember things being like this on the g. Plus I'm starting to miss playing thru my boogie mark v that I have.

    One other thing that I'm finding hard is getting my solo levels set correctly I end up clipping output 1 on the bloody thing and its annoying. Fellow axe fx 2 owners will say I have the levels set too high but i find if they are not set at that level I can't get a decent sound out of it some would disagree obviously.

    I just wondered if any of you guys have used the axe fx 2 and come back to the g sys at all? I'm seriously considering it.

    Thanks

    Paul
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      bucketbot Interesting to read Paul.

      So the supposed Holy Grail of effects processors that was to replace all tube amps forever is perhaps not the be & end all after all maybe? :/

      Also interesting that it does not replace your MkV & that you are missing it.



      Often the case that as these things become more complex & versatile you sometimes loose the point of the exercise in the complexity of it all....which is of course the simplicity of good tone & playing the bloody Guitar!

      IMO this is one fo the great things about the G.....it produces great tone but has a simple & easy to use user interface.
      • February 12, 2012
    • paulg2uk
      Banenis Why don't you just use the axe fx 2 in conjunction with your boogie? Turn off the amp / cab models and just use the fx in 4 cable method with your mark 5. There are tons of guys that use the axe fx without using the amp modeling. Take John petrucci for example. His new rack is way smaller than usual and he's using the axe fx 2 for almost all his fx.



      I'm not trying to disuade you from coming back to the g sys but you've got some killer pieces of gear there and there's no reason not to use them together.
      • February 12, 2012
    • paulg2uk
      paulg2uk Thanks for the response guys. I have tried the axe fx in the fx loop of my mark v but again I find myself tweaking every patch when I turn it on. At least with the boogie it has a solo level control I can set and then forget about it. And there won't be any clip lights to worry about.



      Don't get me wrong the axe is a great bit of kit but I think its just too overkill for me. As you mentioned its about playing guitar at the end of the day and I get a little frustrated when things don't work. I don't always get time to keep adjusting things. Experiences with the g sys have made me realise all of this and just how easy it is to get a good sound out of it.



      You can use pretty much any amp sim out of the axe but what's interesting to me is I was only using two amp's models on all of my presets and they were wait for it both based on a boogie sound. I think I'm missing the point here as I already own a mark v and don't really feel the need to have any different amp sims personally.



      I did see that petrucci was using his axe with his mark v's and I must admit that's one of the reason I bought one but that's petrucci and not me. At the end of the day we all know what we like to hear and are comfortable with and for me its definitely the g sys. I've kept my mini amp gizmo so at least I don't have to buy that again lol



      I'll be putting my axe fx 2 and MFC-101 foot controller on ebay tonight I think. The sooner I sell the sooner I can get a g sys again lol
      • February 12, 2012
    • paulg2uk
      bucketbot Good Luck with it mate.

      2nd hand G's come up fairly often on fleabay UK...or maybe you're tempted by the new IB modded version?



      It's still a tad dear in the UK for me though compared to the silver one & I'm happy with the sound I am getting using my silver G with the Sunday driver anyway & I don't really see how the IB modded version could possibly sound better
      • February 12, 2012
    • paulg2uk
      paulg2uk

      bucketbot wrote:

      Good Luck with it mate.

      2nd hand G's come up fairly often on fleabay UK...or maybe you're tempted by the new IB modded version?



      It's still a tad dear in the UK for me though compared to the silver one & I'm happy with the sound I am getting using my silver G with the Sunday driver anyway & I don't really see how the IB modded version could possibly sound better




      I am tempted by the IB modded. Depending how much I get for my axe fx 2 and MFC I should be able to afford one. I had a silver G and I had no complaints with that apart from the weight lol but I don't care anymore. As much as I like the axe fx 2 its very time consuming and although fractal have captured the feel of a valve amp with it there's just something I can't explain when you know you have the real thing behind you.
      • February 12, 2012
  • DarylSoar1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2013-01-07
    I love my g-system but the difficulty in getting it set up and the lack of firmware fixes and tech support now means that faced with purchasing another TC Electronic product, I'm struggling to commit. I keep looking elsewhere, Eventide, CIOKS, Focusrite to name but a few.

    I'd like to buy an impact 2 audio interface but if it has any problems, I know I'm stuffed for the foreseable future so despite it's specs, I'm leaning towards a focusrite.

    I've seen that TC make a power supply, overdrive and decent modulation FX but now I've lived with the G, I only expect problems.

    I'm not a fan of TC's usability but I thought they sounded great so I was prepared to learn. After living with the G, I don't just reach for the manual when I get stuck, I look to the web to find out if the problem I have is a feature or limitation, or yet another firmware bug.

    Does anyone else feel the same?

    I thought I'd post the question because I think TC need to know what affect ignoring its users could have on future sales. It's a competitive world at the moment and I'm sure there are plenty of firms that would be happy to take a chunk of market share away from TC.
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    • DarylSoar1
      Bread If you think the G System is bad you should try owning a Pod HD Daryl



      I've had my G System nearly a year and just got my head around it - I still think its awesome but like you, I get the feeling TC Electronics are not giving the attention to it in terms of firmware upgrades it deserves. Maybe it's because the hardware is end of life or they have a new product to launch - who knows but I would at least expect some information from them on what is happening development wise.



      It's going to be a tough thing to replace - what else is there that beats it ? If there is a pedal like the modfactor that is worth having why not just put it in one if the loops ?
      • January 7, 2013
    • DarylSoar1
      DarylSoar1 I thought PODs were generally bullet proof. Did it have a habit as bad as failing to recall the FX settings for a patch like the G-System does when switching between 2 patches with a harmonizer?



      The Eventide modfactor would not be a consideration if the G-System worked how it should because I would choose the TC Nova Modulator.



      The Focusrite Saffire 24 wouldn't be a choice, if the G-System was properly supported, I'd buy the TC Impact Twin. Computer interfaces are notoriously problematic thanks to the need to update computer operating systems so the one thing you NEED to know is that any manufacturer will be quick to respond should a problem arise.



      I love the way my G-System sounds, now I have a Sunday Driver and and Ebtech HE-2, but it should sound good without all the difficulties. I mean, what kind of decision process decides that a meter for damping is more important than an input meter for the second DSP, and then decides that the way to indicate an overload on the second DSP is to light up the red LED on the input meter?



      I just hope TC pick up on this thread and realise the potential damage their inaction could have on future sales. I don't think any of us expect miracles but updates on bug fixes and a slightly more frequent firmware update shouldn't be too much to hope for.



      Any one else got an opinion?



      I'd love to help TC, as I'm sure so many of us on the forum would, to get them develop a decent user interface that is easy, intuitive and provide access to all the parameters of the FX without alienating ordinary users that haven't owned professional gear before.
      • January 7, 2013
    • DarylSoar1
      damcka I think we all feel your pain to a degree. Although having read your posts,



      it would appear that you have had more problems with your particular set up than others.



      Having said that. The fact that we rely so heavily on lairds white paper, or that he even had to write it in the first place is testament to how tc electronic have pretty much abandoned users of the g system. We are, of course very grateful that laird did write his paper, as most people would have abandoned the unit in pure frustration without it.



      He fact that there is no usuable editor for a piece of equipment that cost so much is nothing short of disgraceful.



      For a piece of gear aimed at professionals and coming with the price tag - I don't think it is too much to ask that there is a firmware update that at the very least fixes existing bugs (all of them) or better still have an update that adds some new features that we, the user community, have suggested.



      If the g system brain is maxed out an no more features can be added, it would be nice to have a message to that effect. Instead....nothing.



      Tore from TC used to be fairly active on the forum...but in general tc representatives have been absent from the forum for quite time, who knows why.



      The g system is a great piece of gear, I love it. My fear is that I've purchased a turkey - something that on the face of it is brilliant but lack of any support from the manufacturer, or a willingness to resolve existing problems makes it "dead man walking".



      I pray that I never have any software problems with my g system. I haven't even upgraded to 4.05 as it involves connecting the damn thing to a computer, which is a recipe for disaster.



      Maybe you should rename your thread, "is the g system dead?"



      I really hope the answer to that question is no.....but perhaps tc would pay more attention to that title.....or maybe not.



      Big sigh.......
      • January 7, 2013
    • DarylSoar1
      zippy Did the newer version come with software that fixed any of the bugs? I have the original silver one. If they come out with new models ocasionally, that might be the extent of the planned updates.



      It's an odd business model. It makes me think the staff of this company works very part time.
      • January 7, 2013
    • DarylSoar1
      Bread Among the PODs bad habits were sounding utter garbage at gig volumes, no global eq, the wah coming on for no reason at all, unreliable ..... And so forth.



      Never again would I buy one of those units - the amp modelling was ok but nothing stunning
      • January 7, 2013
  • kevin2106
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-04-30
    Guitar ----------------------VHT Valvulator input (a buffer)
    VHT output A---------------G system Input
    G system Insert Send-----Hum E. Input 1
    Hum Output 1--------------Mesa Triple Rectifier Input
    G system Output (L)------Hum input 2
    Hum E. Output 2----------Mesa FX loop Return
    Mesa FX Send-------------G system Insert Return

    Both the mix and the send level on the Mesa FX Loop are set at 100%.

    GBL LEVELS MENU

    Input Gain: 0db
    Lopp Level: 0db
    Loop Headroom: 2db
    Volume: 0db
    Volume Pos:
    Output Level: 0db
    Boost Max: 0db

    There is still a little loss of gain. I placed an Eq in the loop of the G system to try and compensate but it can only ad a bit before it sounds bad. When I turn my gain up past 2 o clock the hum and hiss is really bad and it becomes very noisy. I am trying to get that true tone out of the amp I am close but still a loss of gain/tone.

    I just put in George L cables in my setup and it sounds better!
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    • kevin2106
      Laird_Williams

      kevin2106 wrote:

      Guitar ----------------------VHT Valvulator input (a buffer)

      VHT output A---------------G system Input

      G system Insert Send-----Hum E. Input 1

      Hum Output 1--------------Mesa Triple Rectifier Input

      G system Output (L)------Hum input 2

      Hum E. Output 2----------Mesa FX loop Return

      Mesa FX Send-------------G system Insert Return



      Both the mix and the send level on the Mesa FX Loop are set at 100%.



      GBL LEVELS MENU



      Input Gain: 0db

      Lopp Level: 10db

      Loop Headroom: 2db

      Volume: 0db

      Volume Pos:

      Output Level: 0db

      Boost Max: 0db



      There is still a loss of gain. I am not sure what to do now? I placed an Eq in the loop of the G system to try and compensate but it can only ad a bit before it sounds bad. When I turn my gain up past 2 o clock the hum and hiss is really bad and it becomes very noisy. I am trying to get that true tone out of the amp I am close but still a loss of gain/tone.



      Does anyone have any tips maybe to get that full true tone out of their amp?


      Try swapping the input gain and loop levels.

      Set the loop level to 0db and the input gain to 10db.
      • April 30, 2009
    • kevin2106
      GuitarMan86 I can say my experience has been the same on the MESA Trip rect. I have been researching the FX loop side and found that many others are having similiar issues with the FX loop on other processors.

      Check out MESA's forums.



      There is a simple FX mod out there that MESA will provide you with (if you ask) that is the schematic for modifying the FX loop from parallel to serial.



      My experience has been the same and I just got the MOD schematic yesterday from MESA and plan to have my amp guy do the mod for me asap.

      I also spoke with Voodoo amps about the mod and they can also give you some insight to the mod for a triple rect.



      As others have said... the FX loop is best with serial and I believe the MESA triple has issues with bleed through on the parallel effects loop.



      I will post my findings once I get my mod done. Hope this helps.
      • May 6, 2009
    • kevin2106
      kevin2106 I have heard that serial can also pose a lot of issue's as well .I keep messing around with levels and have actually solved almost all issue's and have a tone that I actually really enjoy now. My issue was the cables I was using. Now I am using George L's. made a few adjustments and now the amp sounds the way I like it! The only thing is you have to play the amp pretty loud.
      • May 7, 2009
    • kevin2106
      GuitarMan86 Interesting....I see you are running the mix settings on the MESA loop to 100%....I am as well. Do you have any bleed through of the dry signal coming out?



      Thats the tone loss I seem to be getting from the MESA. I can hear the difference with the parallel loop giving me that bleed through of the wet and dry signal.



      If you hit the tuner mute on the G does it fully mute the amp (with 4 cable method) or do you get the dry amp tone still coming through? Just curious



      I am using good cables (TRS snakes) and also have an EBtech HE and not getting any noise issues. Now its just the tone I am fighting with.
      • May 7, 2009
    • kevin2106
      kevin2106 Yes I do get that dry amp tone still coming through with the four cable method when I hit the tuner mute.



      I had the same issue you have. Something just wasn't right and I was getting a clean tone with some distortion at the same time. I did get rid of it though now everything sounds great!



      How do you have everything hooked up? Did you try the way I have my setup hooked up?
      • May 8, 2009
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