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  • avoelp
    Contributor - Level 2
    2009-06-09
    After some frustrating experience in trying to get a volume and an expression pedal to work smoothly with the G, and after some partly misleading advice from TC's support (http://forum.tcelectronic.com/viewtopic.php?id=3942) I did some experimenting.

    For my testing I used an Ernie Ball VP Jr EB-6180 pedal that has a 250k pot and an EB-6181 that has a 25k pot. Both pedals are mono, and both have standard mono input and output jacks. I connected these pedals to the pedal jacks of the G's control board using either mono cables connected to the pedal's output jack or y-split cables connected to their input and output. I use the pedal hooked to the G's Volume jack for controlling the unit's global output volume and the one connected to the Expression jack for controlling different parameters depending on the current preset.

    This is what I found out:

    - In the G's "digital" world, where both pedals reside, there is nothing like a continuous parameter change. Everything happens in discrete steps. The question is how many steps there are, and if they are audible as steps (which is clearly unwanted).

    - According to the G's manual mono pedals should be connected using only one cable attached to the output connector. When I did this using the 25k pedal (which TC's support recommended to me) and perform the pedal calibration this gave me a range from 0 to 10, i.e., only 11 discrete volume or expression steps. When you want to control a volume parameter this is completely useless as every increase or decrease is clearly audible as a step. Thus the "recommended" procedure had the worst result.

    - Connecting the same 25k pedal with a y-split cable gave me a calibration range from 0 to 44 and a much "smoother" pedal action.

    - Using the 250k pedal with only one cable gave me a calibration range from 0 to about 60.

    - Finally, using the 250k pedal with a y-split cable resulted in a calibration range from 0 to 95, that means 96 discrete volume or expression steps.

    - Using the 250k pedal + y-cable setup for controlling output volume still does *not* give you "seamless" volume swells (and there is always some lag), but it is useful as a master volume control and it is the best that I could get out of the pedals for controlling output volume. For swells it might be preferable to use the pedal connected to the Expression jack for controlling the volume parameter of one of the effects (e.g., the output volume of the compressor if the swell is intended to occur before the preamp).

    - From my subjective listening experience I found the limited number of steps much more annoying in case of the output volume parameter than in case of expression parameters (e.g., in wha-wha effects). I also had the impression that there is considerably less lag in the G's response to the pedal connected to the Expression jack.

    - The manual talks about volume and expression pedals. I think that this is somewhat misleading. Instead we should talk about low and high impedance pedals and about linear and non-linear response curves (as a matter of fact you can use the pedals connected to both jacks for modifying any parameter in the G's Modifyer setup). Selecting pedal type as Volume or Expression in the G's pedal menue affects the unit's response curve, but has nothing to do with the type of pedal that you actually connect (just trust your ears!). BTW: A very useful feature of the EB-6180 250k pedal is that it has a taper swich which modifies the shape of the response curve.

    - The G does not have any setup parameter (beyond the pedal type parameter) for "fine tuning" the response curve of the global output volume parameter. You can nevertheless achieve this by "cheating" the calibration (i.e., by using minimum or maximum values other than those with the pedal in the toe or in the heel position).

    That's about all that I found out. From my testing I would recommend using high impedance pedals connected with y-split cables for both jacks of the G.
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    • avoelp
      LorenzG Hi,



      Thanks for your review! What is the disadvantage of Low-Impendance Pedals? e.g. with the Boss Pedals: a 500-H or a 500-L



      Thank you!



      Lorenz
      • June 26, 2009
    • avoelp
      Laird_Williams

      avoelp wrote:

      That's about all that I found out. From my testing I would recommend using high impedance pedals connected with y-split cables for both jacks of the G.


      There are 4 jacks - and there is some evidence that the wiring/setup needs for the Foot Controller jacks is different than that for the GFX-01 jacks. Did you look into this at all?
      • June 26, 2009
    • avoelp
      elvis avoelp: Valuable information - thanks! Interfacing pedals with the G seems to be one of the most difficult things to do.



      I disagree with one point, though. I don't think that the numbers displayed during calibration are the number of discrete steps. That is unlikely, both because the ADC that measures the travel of the pedal is most likely 8-12 bits (256 to 4096 steps) at the minimum, as well as the fact that 11 discrete steps would be VERY noticeable. My expression pedal calibrates as 0-10, and it does not sound at all quantized.



      I would guess (pending Tore's confirmation) that the number displayed is probably arbitrary, maybe an indicator of % of total possible calibration range or something like that. In that case, the number of discrete steps is likely in excess of 30, and may be as much as 400 or more, for a max calibration level of 10 (assuming 100=100% of total steps).



      The most difficult thing for the Gsystem to handle would be a logarithmic pot (almost all of them are). Assuming a volume taper (log base 10) that is linear in dB over the travel, and has 100dB range, the halfway point would be -50dB, or 1/316 of maximum. The bottom half of the pedal travel is only 0.3% of the available ADC codes. That would give 0 codes in the bottom half or travel for 8 bits, and 3 codes with 10 bits, even with a max calibration value of 100. This suggests that the ADC may be closer to 16 bits (65536 total codes), as most people seem to get reasonable response with log pots. This is reasonable, as many inexpensive microcontrollers have built-in 16 bit converters.



      To keep this stuff in one place, there was a thread about connecting pedals a while back (avoelp helped on that one, too):



      http://forum.tcelectronic.com/viewtopic.php?id=3355
      • June 29, 2009
    • avoelp
      LorenzG Did you try your Boss 500H with a usual Stereo Cable as explained here: http://support.tcelectronic.com/entries/20981617-g-system-which-type-of-pedal-to-use
      • July 1, 2009
    • avoelp
      raphael I use two Boss FV500H with balanced/TRS cables. The G-system detected 50 steps (0 to 50) during calibration. It works fine, I have no complaints. Even the octave whammy seems plenty smooth to my ear.
      • July 2, 2009
  • velodoug
    Contributor - Level 2
    2008-05-12
    What patch editors (Windows preferred) do you use to update/backup your patches? What MIDI interface do you use on your computer to facilitate the connection?
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    • velodoug
      Ivan

      velodoug wrote:

      What patch editors (Windows preferred) do you use to update/backup your patches? What MIDI interface do you use on your computer to facilitate the connection?


      I use RealMajor v1.8 Windows based software editor !! And a M-Audio UNO to make the connection !!



      Hope this helps ! I'll PM you the Link !!
      • May 13, 2008
    • velodoug
      velodoug Thanks for the link Ivan!! I'll give it a shot!
      • May 13, 2008
    • velodoug
      leewhit Not very good with computers. I downloaded and unzipped but, could not get the program opened correctly. Windows asked what program to open with. Don't know what to do from here. Could someone please help a dummy?
      • May 15, 2008
    • velodoug
      Ivan

      leewhit wrote:

      Not very good with computers. I downloaded and unzipped but, could not get the program opened correctly. Windows asked what program to open with. Don't know what to do from here. Could someone please help a dummy?


      Double Click the file called "Real_Major"
      • May 16, 2008
    • velodoug
      raven1a Man. I haven't had a chance to set this up until last night. Been programing everything in through the G-Major interface.



      I set this up on my laptop last night. DUDE!!! It ROCKS!!! And it's SO nice for reordering my patches too.
      • May 16, 2008
  • aksman
    Contributor - Level 2
    2008-03-13
    Since TC Electronic has not made any way to share presets for individual patches on the G System, let's all post in this thread.

    To take a screenshot of your settings:
    1. select the correct patch and the "all" effect view in the Vyzor editor,
    2. press the PRINT SCREEN button (copies an image to your desktop)
    3. open an image editor (the Paint program works fine) and "paste" the desktop image into the editor (crop if you want).
    4. save it as a JPEG
    5. upload it somewhere (i.e. photobucket, unless you can just attach it in the forum)
    6. POST!

    *be sure to include what you are running in the loops, if your amp's distorted, and a little description of the sound.


    NOTE: If the pic comes up TOO SMALL to make out the numbers when posted, simply click on the MAGNIFYING GLASS with 100% written next to it in the lower-left of the browser screen to elarge it! This works PERFECTLY!
    Or, save the image to your computer. It will be saved from the source URL, which is large enough to let you see everything clearly.
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    • aksman
      aksman Cascade by aksman

      -Guyatone SV2 volume swell in the Insert Loop ON

      *sounds pretty ambient and dreamy, but playable




      • March 13, 2008
    • aksman
      gbtommasi Wouldn't it be easier to post patch files?
      • March 13, 2008
    • aksman
      aksman yes... HOW??????
      • March 14, 2008
    • aksman
      gbtommasi well,



      for example, like this:

      http://www.uploading.com/files/0J31L7FK/just_to_try.SQS.html



      i know it's not the easier way, but it allows to put all the patches you want to share into a sqs file (up to 200 presets) and have other people download it easily, and just copy to their system the presets they prefer.



      Until TC creates a public space to share presets, i think this is quite a good solution!
      • March 14, 2008
    • aksman
      6GunSound Hey All



      You're welcome to use my forum for this at www.tcgpage.com



      At least there we can categorize the posts instead of having a huge unorganized thread. The sqs file idea is great, but I'll be doing most of this the old school way until I get a laptop. Too much of a pain to drag all my gear in and hook it up to the computer. There may be others who are in my situation as well. I'd say using both methods would be ideal. I plan on using askman's screen dump idea to repost the patches already in the tcgpage library.



      BTW, love the Cascade patch.
      • March 15, 2008
  • CodyCass1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2012-01-08
    I've been running a Trex MAB and boosting my amps with it for 2 years now. I Love it, but today was the first time I've ever pulled it out of my loop and ran it in front of my amp and WOW what a difference. It isn't as high pitched, has more low end, isn't as muddy, and has more clarity. So I went and bought a JHS Double Barrel from a buddy for a steal of a deal. It sounds even better. Now I went to put it in my loop, and it sounds exactly like the Trex did in the loop. But when I put it on the board it's 110xs better.

    Is there anything I can do to get it close to the way it sounds like on the board. I've tried messing with Loop headroom, and the loop level but it still isn't doing any justice. Im wanting to keep it on at all times when I use my Main gain channel, and I don't want to tap dance. Any suggestions? I would buy a midi looper to put on my board to turn it on so it's not in the loop and so I don't have to tapdance, but I don't think it will work since the G can't control the Whammy through midi. But I could be wrong.
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    • CodyCass1
      Ben_vdd Hi Cody, long time no see

      I don't have an answer to your question but I would like to pitch in on your first comment.

      There are numerous posts on this forum claiming that you absolutely have to have overdrive/distortion pedals in front of the amp and not in a loop and I follow the associated reasoning. However, I have the Nova Drive and I can tell you that it works fine in a loop and sounds like utter cardboard cr*p in front of the amp.

      Am I missing something huge or is the "in front vs loop" discussion highly dependent on the specific gear in the setup?
      • January 8, 2012
    • CodyCass1
      Laird_Williams

      Ben_vdd wrote:

      Hi Cody, long time no see

      I don't have an answer to your question but I would like to pitch in on your first comment.

      There are numerous posts on this forum claiming that you absolutely have to have overdrive/distortion pedals in front of the amp and not in a loop and I follow the associated reasoning. However, I have the Nova Drive and I can tell you that it works fine in a loop and sounds like utter cardboard cr*p in front of the amp.

      Am I missing something huge or is the "in front vs loop" discussion highly dependent on the specific gear in the setup?


      Most of the informed posts on OD/DIST pedals and the G-System loops are along these lines:



      IF the pedal's signature tone/sound depends on the impedance interaction between the guitar pickups and the pedal, THEN you need to put the pedal before the G-System. This is because the G-System loops are buffered, and eliminate the ability for the guitar electronics and the pedal to interact directly. This turns out to be a problem with many (perhaps even most) OD/DIST pedals and even some other types of pedals.



      The Nova Drive was designed from the outset to work well with a buffered signal. It does NOT rely on the complex interaction between pickups and pedal to get its tone. As a consequence, it works and sounds great in a G-System loop. Any other pedal that sounds good when receiving a buffered signal will sound good in the G-System loops as well.
      • January 8, 2012
    • CodyCass1
      CodyCass1 I've been traveling a lot and I haven't been on the site to much lately. I've kept my rig where it's at for awhile so I haven't had any big pull to come back to the site. But im wanting to start working with more overdrive pedals as I have about 4 sitting here that im going to tinker with to shape my amp up more. Which I've read discussions about but never really took the time to try them bc I was happy with what I had, until I tried something new. Now I am in their shoes again which is good because it gains me experience and knowledge with this stuff.
      • January 8, 2012
    • CodyCass1
      CodyCass1 Im starting to notice this. Ive got a few pedals here and they sound AMAZING till they touch my loop. Then they all sound like chainsaws. Even using my eq isn't helping. Making the tone better just muddying it up and I'd prefer to not tap dance so some kind of midi loop to put infront of the G would be nice. I don't want to go through the hassle of selling the G but this is making me lean towards it.
      • January 8, 2012
    • CodyCass1
      Banenis A midi loop thing for pedals will usually not suffer from the same midi limitations as the whammy does. With the whammy you can select whammy settings but you can't sweep the pedal with g sys midi. But most midi pedal loops respond to pc messages so using the g sys should be no problem.
      • January 8, 2012
  • marco83m
    Contributor - Level 2
    2011-12-28
    Anyone can download the syx file?

    http://www.tcelectronic.com/NovaSystemPresets.asp

    the download link seems to be corrupted..
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    • marco83m
      Shiner No. Tried it since yesterday. Not able to download the file on my Mac;
      • December 27, 2011
    • marco83m
      marco83m it works! -> [Right-click on link and choose Save As to download]
      • December 28, 2011
    • marco83m
      marco83m it DOES NOT work, 0byte file size downloaded







      marco83m wrote:

      it works! -> [Right-click on link and choose Save As to download]
      • December 28, 2011
    • marco83m
      JGNovaJG I'm having the same issue. (Right-clicking on the link to attempt to download takes us to a blank white screen of death with no link viewable. 0 Bytes file results in downloads Finder info). Any other suggestions? I'm using an iMac, and just successfully uploaded my Nova's firmware to the latest midi upgrade - thanks.
      • December 28, 2011
    • marco83m
      dino2009 **edited**



      Just tried it again and it worked. I downloaded the zip file. thanks







      Its not working for me either. Hopefully someone at TC will see this and check the download.



      Thanks
      • December 28, 2011
  • Newysurfer
    Contributor - Level 1
    2008-10-17
    I sent this same question to TC support over 2 weeks ago and have received no reply.
    The pedal board I have below is powered by a Gator G-Bus-8 power brick bolted underneath. It has 1700ma total. My existing pedals only use about 1000ma and I've some spare 9v jacks. A Nova Delay is being shipped to me now and I'll replace the DD-6 I have for the Nova Delay.

    1) Can I run it safely and efficiently on 9v without causing any prob's.
    2) How many milliamps does it use when maxed ?

    thanks

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    • Newysurfer
      Newysurfer Well this is certainly a great forum.

      posted this thread over a week ago - got 87 views and not a single reply.



      I did get an email from Nicholas at TC Support though. Just to help out Nova Delay owners here's what he said



      Response (Nicholas) 10/24/2008 07:30 AM

      Dear Peter



      There's no problem using Nova Delay with a 9v supply. The pedal needs a certain amount of mA (300mA t run and around 400mA when starting up) so it won't work with every 9v supply out there. But no matter what - you won't damage the pedal using a 9v supply and there's is no loss in audio quality... unless:



      1. You're running a very hot signal into the pedal: This could fx be a guitar through a 20-30dB boost or distortion pedal into Nova Delay or having the pedal in the effect loop of your amp IF the effect loop is a Line level (+4dB) loop.



      2. You have the pedal in a line level loop and your power amp needs a very hot signal to work properly.



      The explanation is actually rather simple: When you lower the voltage you're also lowering the maximum input and output of the pedal. In other words: with a 9v supply Nova Delay won't be able to handle as hot/loud an input signal before it starts clipping. Similarly it won't be able to send out as hot an output signal as with a 12v supply.



      The way to check whether you're within the gain range of the pedal with a 9v supply is pretty simple: For the input part simply listen if the pedal is making ugly digital distortion when playing at loud levels... you'll know if that happens!



      The output part is a little trickier: If you have the pedal in fx a line level loop which is a very hot signal, the pedal won't be able send out the same amount of gain again on the output. The result is that you'll notice that your sound will be lower (if you're palying with distortion it may sound as if the pedal is "eating" the overdrive) compared to if you removed pedal from the signal chain entirely. That is why fx a Boss Digital Delay sound like cr*p in an effects loop... It's gain range isn't wide enough to handle such a hot signal.



      To sum it up: No matter what you can't damage the pedal using a 9v supply. And if you don't notice digital distortion OR a level drop when the pedal is in the signal chain, there's absolutely no problem using it with 9v supply.



      best regards



      I've since been running the ND on 9v with no issues
      • October 27, 2008
    • Newysurfer
      kumakae Hey cool, thanks for the info! I've been casually looking for a power supply for my pedals (two nova units and a couple of 9V pedals), this makes the search a bit easier as i don't have to find one that has 9V and 12V outputs.
      • February 26, 2009
    • Newysurfer
      drwiddly I've been using my Nova Drive with its own power supply but the rest of my board is powered from a Diago 3000ma supply (so plenty of spare milliamps!). I used to use an 18v Dunlop pedal and bought one of Diago's special leads which uses a digital circuit to increase the normal 9v output to 18v. I'm wondering if this set up might power the Nova Drive? there's obviously plenty of spare current but would the higher voltage do any damage?
      • December 28, 2010
    • Newysurfer
      Mel "uses a digital circuit to increase the normal 9v output to 18v". Be careful, the Nova Drive is a real power pig... make sure it can supply 400ma. That's 10 to 20 times what a typical distortion pedal draws. And yes, 18V might damage it, that's a long way from 12V... only way to find out for sure is try it. Any volunteers? I didn't think so You could take an 18V source and regulated it down to 12 with a very simple circuit.
      • December 29, 2010
    • Newysurfer
      drwiddly Pretty much my thinking.



      There's plenty of current available as the board only houses my Nova System, a wah, a MIDI controller and a tuner as well as the Nova Drive but it's the voltage I'm concerned about. I might try using the 9v supply without the special cable, and see how that works. I don't think that can do any harm but it may not sound very good and/or have poor S/N ratio.



      I think I was hoping someone with better knowledge of electronics than me would post a reply saying "the Nova Drive can tolerate loads of excess voltage and provided the current capacity is at least 380ma, it will be fine"
      • December 30, 2010
  • smileradio
    Contributor - Level 1
    2012-10-28
    Ever since I tried updating the pedal it hasn't worked. I go through the updating procedure, and once it says 100% the pedal restarts and tells me the pedal has the regular tuning mode. I press on the switch and it does not tell me that the Drop D is on there. It just tells me that the G tuning mode is the only one that is available.

    Has anyone had this problem???

    You know what, that would be fine. I don't use Drop D very often, but I do use a Capo quite a bit. Bummer.

    BUT! Now the Polytune won't work at all. Whenever I press the button, it restarts. Literally. NEVER TUNING THE PEDAL. I have tried to update the Polytune on three different computers, one of then being a PC the other two being Mac. I have tried multiple cords, and multiple power supplies. Nothing works. It just resets whenever I click the button.

    This is the most annoying thing in the world. I contacted their customer service and they told me to just contact a support company, which will charge my $65 just to look at it.

    I asked TC support if there was a way to reset the pedal to factory default and they told me no, that they only had the update for Drop D. This is ridiculous. Now I have a box of junk and will have to buy a new tuner. I really liked the Polytune and was an advocate for the pedal on the Gear Page and on TDPRI, but not anymore. I just wish I could have reset it.

    Anyone had this problem? Really? Any help would be appreciated...
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    • smileradio
      pab4 Feel I need to register this as mine just died after 3 years of total reliability. No help from dealer in UK, though I'll keep pestering tc support. A good thing,but apparently unreliable.
      • July 23, 2013
  • LukeTheMore
    Contributor - Level 2
    2010-01-18
    Hi everyone ...


    I just buyed, cleaned, updated and installed the G-Sytem (I came from G-Major, G-Force and Nova System)


    How many of you use the internal Wah of G-System controlled with expression pedal ? Do you "like" its sound ?


    Do you use you Dunlop / Vox / Morley pedal ?



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    • LukeTheMore
      CodyCass1 I didn't like the G wah, so I bought a Cry Baby gcb- 95 and modded it =-) I also like the Mark Tremonti Morely Wah
      • January 18, 2010
    • LukeTheMore
      TS808 I have just recently started up using the wha.

      I'm used to the standard crybaby GCB95.

      Find the g-systems wha fairly good but I havn't been abel to get the right feeling.

      I use the original Crybaby as expression pedal (Removed the PCB and rewired the POT).

      The expression pedal control is fine (calibrated to 0-70 in pedal menu), but i find the sound a bit synthetic like the filter is too perfect and a bit too linear (difficult to explain)

      The wha is limited to a MIN sweep value of 20 a mid point of 60 and a max of 100(expression control)
      • January 18, 2010
    • LukeTheMore
      DNAwithoutheat Morley bad horsie all the way. Picking up the second version next month. Cant wait.



      It has a buffer circuit in to convert to low impedance.





      R
      • January 18, 2010
    • LukeTheMore
      Roomservice Bad Horsie II for me. Tried the G Wah but just didn't feel right for me. Having said that, this post has got me thinking I could use the exp pedal for a more crybaby-ish wah perhaps....
      • January 18, 2010
    • LukeTheMore
      MarcoR I have a classic Crybaby and a BYOC modded wah but I have grown to really like the wah in the g-system.



      It took alot of experimenting with the min, mid and max sweep to get a feel that felt right. I also have these setting different on clean and high gain patches.



      For a clean funky wah, try the high setting with the sweep set min: 18 mid 28 and max 92.



      I'm using the rocktron hex pedal that has just a little more throw than a regular wah pedal.
      • January 18, 2010
  • TCvirgin
    Contributor - Level 2
    2012-10-16
    Ok here is the problem.

    I have been a G-system user for a pretty long time now, several years now, 4 or 5 years. And I feel that I have come to know it pretty well. I have on several occasions tried to set it up in the way of the laird white paper and each time have not been quite happy with the results, only to after a while forget why and then try again.

    Only this time I have just gone through the tests all night, and have decided to try to get some help here as the results are all fresh in my head and I know exactly what the problem is (although I dont know the solution)

    The thing is, I go through the steps and set up the back section of the G-system as the paper outlines, I get no problems, I have my FX send at somewhere between half was and 3/4 of the way up, get no clipping, add in a boost pedal going back into the FX return of the amp to make up for lost gain and move on. No problems there using the blank G-sys patch.

    Then I move to the front, the paper insists that to set the input gain to use the distorted channel, I do this and set it to about 12db which to my ears sounds exactly like the level of gain the guitar has. All is well and I think I have set it up properly. But the problem begins when I put it all together and start actually using the FX of the g-system, some of which clip horribly. After all there is no point setting things up on a blank patch when you never use a blank patch, you use the patches with the effects and the problem is that when the clean channel is on things like Pitch, and Filter effects are pretty much useless. Mod effects can also add clipping. Also you have to take into account the EQ also boosts some DBs so there is clipping there too.

    What is to be done here?

    At the moment I am trying to troubleshoot and am down to a clean patch with just the EQ on and when I hit the strings hard it clips pretty hard.

    I have to take input gain down to pretty much 0db to stop that. How do I make that sort of gain up again?

    Also when the filter is on, there is absolutely no way to stop it from clipping, not even with minus db settings...

    something is not quite right with this unit if its so hard to set up correctly...
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    • TCvirgin
      TCvirgin Also before I forget, I thought of a solution and was wondering what people thought of it.



      I seem to have tamed the back end clipping and am happy with the results after putting a booster pedal immediately after the signal leaves the G-system and goes to the power amp.



      I was thinking of getting another boost pedal and doing the same thing at the front, would this work in the same way here? as in I go Guitar > G-sys > booster > amp input



      thoughts?
      • October 16, 2012
    • TCvirgin
      Dan4132 Do you have a buffer at the Front of your G?



      I suffer from the same problem as you but have read some things on this forum that the Buffer really helps with problems like that.



      I just need to save my pennies first to get one. The Sunday Driver seems to be quite popular. BucketBot will be able to help you more on this if he is about?



      Have you tried a different guitar with your rig? I found that the pickups in one of my Guitars were to powerful and I had to turn the input from 8db down to 3db as I would get the same clipping as you. Just a thought..
      • October 16, 2012
    • TCvirgin
      DarylSoar1 I found 12db on the input gain sounded best but then found... problems.



      So I experimented with the input and found that above 7db the audible difference was more about the top end sparkle than noticable difference in gain. So I ended up settling for 8db.



      Except I still had problems with noise and my pedals. So I started playing with the G-Loop level and found it can make a big difference if the input gain is set lower than my initial 12db.



      I didn't have a buffer pedal so experimentation was the order of the day. I plugged my guitar into my fave overdrive pedal and went straight into my amp. Then I took the lead from the amp input and put it into the front of the G, adjusted the gain so the signal was right and BINGO, full tone was back.



      If your guitar is blowing the front end of the G, my understanding is that you would need to make up the gain, the level is already there from your guitar.



      1st, check the input gain and G-Loop levels and adjust to taste. If you're following the white paper, don't move on from setting up the back end until you're convinced there's no clipping on any channels. If you do anything to the front end of the g that increases the overall volume, you need to go back to setting up the back end of the G to give you more headroom.

      2nd, experiment a little until you get a buffer. The buffer should have the same impact on your tone as plugging in an OD pedal before the G-Input.



      Good luck. Don't go crazy, play guitar.



      D
      • October 16, 2012
    • TCvirgin
      TCvirgin I have my guitar running into a Boss tuner, then into a wah, then into a volume pedal (im about to get rid of the volume pedal anyway) my understanding is that the tuner buffers the signal is that correct?



      I am about to get another boos pedal to run in front of the amp but should I run it in front of the G-system instead?



      I just seem to find it weird that if the guitar is clipping the input already running a boost or overdrive pedal before the input (which presumable increases volume/gain) would assist in this and not make the problem worse... how does that work?
      • October 17, 2012
    • TCvirgin
      DarylSoar1 Try unplugging the back end of the G and see if you still hear the clipping. If you do, turn back the input gain until it goes. If it won't go, you may have a fault.



      Using an OD pedal might help because it works like a compressor so strumming hard gives you more OD rather than more volume. But using an OD pedal before the G is not ideal.



      The biggest difficulty in setting up the G is swapping cables quick enough to really get a good idea of what differences a change makes.



      My advice is:



      1. plug your guitar into your amp with the Amp fx loop send into the G-System insert return, and the G-System output into your amp fx loop return. Now choose the all bypassed patch and listen for any clipping. After adjusting your amp's fx loop send level and the g-system loop headroom so there is no clipping, unplug the cables from your amp's fx loop. Check there is still no unwanted clipping.



      2. Plug your guitar into the g-system input, and connect the insert send to the input of your amp. Set the G-Input gain to 0db. Either turn it down to remove any clipping or up until the clipping starts then back off a touch.



      Is it possible to get rid of the clipping noise?

      Can you post of video?
      • October 17, 2012
  • TC-Mike
    Triber Moderator
    2012-02-15
    Hi all,

    the new G-system 4.05 service update with a fix for the "pedals stopped working" issue is now available for download on the G-system software page:

    http://www.tcelectronic.com/g-systemsoftware.asp


    Thanks to all Beta testers for help and feedback!

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Q: Who should update?
    A: All G-system users with software version 4.02 and below
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    Q: Are there any new features in the service update besides the bugfix?
    A: No
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    Q: Will the current version of the Vyzor software editor work with the latest 4.05 SW?
    A: Yes
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    with best regards,

    Mike
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    • TC-Mike
      Banenis Cool. Are there differences between this release and the beta? If people are running the beta should they still upgrade?
      • February 15, 2012
    • TC-Mike
      RalphieBoi Banenis,



      I would imagine it couldn't' hurt. They may have taken out some debugging statements and what not, always best to install the RTM version imho.



      What I am having a difficult time getting my head around is that it has taken over a year to get this one issue corrected. Will it take another year to get the pitch transposer issue fixed???



      Lastly the good news and bad news is this is version 4.05, not 4.5. I would be suspect if this were version 4.5 and the only issue documented in the release notes was the pedal issue...



      Thank you TC Electronic for your efforts they are appreciated, but do you think this year you can devote just a little more time to the G-System?
      • February 15, 2012
    • TC-Mike
      onserikie Strange, i've updated the system and after a restart is says i've got softwareversion 4.04



      Is this ok??
      • February 16, 2012
    • TC-Mike
      Player1969 Why do I get version 4.04 R1780 in the display of the G-system, after I downloaded the 4.05?

      And I have a problem with exp.pedalen for volume that lets the sound come and go as it pleases ...
      • February 16, 2012
    • TC-Mike
      claumi I've updated also and it shows 4.04 R1780 after update. Tried the update two times, still 4.04 R1780. Is this normal?
      • February 18, 2012
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