• JohnMilner
    Super Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-04

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    Coming soon - iEQ Pro - which will allow Auto EQ of parametric EQs (as well as GEQs) in the M/X Air and M/X 32 series of consoles.  This App follows on from the other StrongSoft iEQ Apps, but will be able to Auto EQ the following consoles:  X Air, M Air, X32, M32 (and later, the WING).

    Demo video of Auto EQ to parametric EQ of an X Air console 

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    • JohnMilner
      Paul_Vannatto

      This looks great John @JohnMilner. Glad to see that you are still active in supporting our beloved consoles with your apps.


       

      • March 4, 2020
    • JohnMilner
      JohnMilner

      iEQ Pro MX is now available in the App Store.  iEQ Pro Ultimate Bundle is pending approval - this is a means of upgrading from your existing iEQ App to a bundle which includes all the iEQ Apps - at a very reasonable upgrade price - will be available very soon!


      Get iEQ Pro MX in the App Store 


      iEQ Pro MX Demo Video 


      IEQ Pro MX in PEQ ModeIEQ Pro MX in PEQ Mode

      • March 25, 2020
  • JeffreyBridges
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-04
    I am sure that this topic has been covered here. But my eyes are tired and I gotta get some sleep before tomorrow's load in. Where can I get spare faders for the X32 and Pro1? I also want a spare power supply for the Pro1. Is there a phone number that will positively get me in touch with someone? Or an email address that gets responses in a reasonable amount of time? I am using these mixers along with a significant amount of Turbosound and RCF powered speaker sysytems and I need parts to repair the X32 immediately. And would like to have the parts on hand for the Pro1 as well. Any help or suggestions welcomed and appreciated. Thanks
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    • JeffreyBridges
      RichardYClark

      Depending on what part of the world you are in a lot of music tech retailers hold supplies of replacement X32 faders. They come in a pack of five, at just under $100 or £100 a set. In the US Sweetwater have them and in the UK Gear4Music.

      • August 3, 2019
    • JeffreyBridges
      JeffreyBridges

      To clarify;


      Sweetwater does NOT have these parts. Nor have they been able to even identify the parts I requested as of Aug 13

      • August 13, 2019
  • Unkle1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-09-20

    I am wondering if I can use a Midas pro 1 and share stageboxes with a Behringer X32 and if so which stageboxes would work better the Midas or Behringer X32 ,thanks

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    • Unkle1
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @Unkle1 

      Short answer is: Yes it's possible to share signal -- though not directly.

      The PRO Series operates at 96kHz where the X/M32 series operates up to 48kHz. To bidirectionally share signal between the two formats you'll need a sample rate converter, which would be a Klark Teknik DN9650 and a KT-AES50 card installed. 

      You'd be able to connect the consoles together with the DN9650 in between. In an ideal world, you'd have the Pro1 connected to a PRO Series stage box (the Midas "blue" boxes) operating at 96kHz and then send that signal down-sampled to an X32 rather using a Behringer stage box and having the signal up-sampled to 96kHz. 


       

      • September 25, 2019
    • Unkle1
      Unkle1

      Not to disturb you but can you or do you have any video or manual information on how to properly set up (2) Midas dl153 stageboxes to Midas pro 1 if using as for monitors and Fog thanks 

      • October 21, 2019
    • Unkle1
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @Unkle1 

      I'm not sure if we have a video for this but I'd be happy to walk you through it. Essentually you just need to configure the AES50 ports on the Pro1 to tell it you have two DL153 I/O boxes connected then patch their inputs and outputs. Before anything else, you should probably run the firmware updater and make sure the console and the DL153s are on the same firmware. 

      Because of the many ways of configuring the DL153s to your specific requirements it may be easier for you to call me. I can also help walk you through the update process if you haven't done it before. 

      My direct number is (702) 842-9364. 

      • October 21, 2019
  • pekner
    Triber Moderator
    2019-10-31

    Meet Christopher Olofsson, our Brand Research Software Specialist who currently works as the Project Manager for the Lake software team located in Kungsbacka Sweden. We have asked Christopher few questions about his time and experiences working at Lab.gruppen and Lake.

    Tell us about what you do at Lake?

    I currently work as the Project Manager for the Lake software team. I also do a lot of the software development and customer contact as well. We’re a tight and focused team consisting of senior developers with a lot of experience in the vast spectrum of use cases Lake is deployed for.

    How long have you been in your current position, and could you provide a brief overview of what you do?

    I have been working at Lab.gruppen and Lake since December 2014. The current project Lake XP was kicked off in February 2019 with early customer feedback on the concept as a whole. The project as such was exciting already from the start in that it required creativity in order to get our already released hardware to perform even more audio processing than before. At first, we did not know whether we could actually make it or not! To highlight some of the features Lake XP adds I would list separate FIR processing for speaker presets and speaker array optimizations and the possibility to activate a multiband limiter on each output. A great toolbox for anyone into FIR speaker preset making, for instance.

    Have you always been interested in the audio and sound business? What drew you to this industry?

    Ever since I was little I have been playing the piano and been interested in music making/audio production as a whole. But I also started out early as a hobbyist programmer. To work here is a perfect combination of two of my main interests!

    What do you like about Lab.gruppen and Lake?

    To me it’s about the quality and well-thought-out products that the brand Lab.gruppen stands for. I sometimes get in contact with people working with or otherwise interested in live audio during my spare time since I play in a band and I always feel proud to say I’m with Lab.gruppen since our amps have always been so highly ranked. But it’s also a great place to work at. Everyone here is kind to one another and you’re always included and listened to when you have ideas.

    What is your inspiration for both work and your personal projects?

    Even though I am a programmer and things tend to get very technical at times, I really try to put myself in the position of an end user and strive to make the end result as “user friendly” as possible. My main inspiration is when users express their appreciation of my work, whether it is at work or in other parts of life.

    What makes you happy at work?

    To finalize something that was first an idea and see it happen, spring to life and actually make a difference and add value. That of course in combination with a few laughs together with my colleagues whether it be to celebrate or to get over setbacks.

    What has been a lesson you’ve learned while working at Lab.gruppen and Lake?

    That “to prioritize” actually means to remove something that you won’t do, not to pick what you will do first. This is hard, since I always want it all and tend to want to squeeze in even more. I tend to get very eager.

    What is your most satisfying customer interaction?

    To solve and iron out technical details of e.g. a feature in a way that we all understand the problem and agree on all parts of the proposed solution, and the joy the energy that comes from that process gives me when thinking of how good this will become.

    What is one potentially surprising thing that people don’t know about you?

    I’m not that full of surprises, more of the opposite. One thing that some may or may not know about is the fact that I play the piano and the organ in a band, and we have been sticking together for twelve years now, performing our own original songs.

     

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    • pekner
      Danmustard

      So cool to hear about working at Lake Audio! Do you think the tech under the hood will ever make its way into different formats? For instance a digital EQ that could be added via fx send to analog or digital boards that lack the high quality EQ Lake provides.

      • October 31, 2019
  • pekner
    Triber Moderator
    2019-03-08

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    We are proud to announce that the new Lake Controller v6.8 is now released and available for download.

     

    New features include:
    Input Configuration Summary
    Global Input Router Priority Control
    Warning when NOT on Input Priority 1
    Dante Domain Manager (DDM) Ready
    Global control for Dante Device Name and IP Config
    Power Cycle available from LakeUpdate

     

    To download:

    http://downloads.music-group.com/software/labgruppen/LakeController_v6_8_0_86.zip

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  • DannyKurywchak
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-08-06

    I have a Midas M32C & DL32 that we always use with all our IEMs (in Stereo) connected to the AUX sends (4 wireless and our drummer is wired).   We have it setup with great mixes until we get a new sound guy that continually plays with gains changing our IEMS all night long.   I decided we had enough and tried tonight to connect our M32C/DL32 to act as FOH and use our DL32 AES50 B to connect to a X32 rack system.   I was able to get it all connected and working however, when testing it during band practice tonight the same issues prior appear that they will still be a problem as the AES50 doesn't allow a complete independant connection between the FOH and IEM Mixer in this case. They both share the gains of FOH which will be a problem again with a sound guy that likes to continually change gains.   Am I doing something wrong?  if not, why would anyone recommend AES50 split between FOH and IEM mixers?  

    My goal is to give my band complete flexibility of EQing each channel to their liking within their IEMS. Right now by using just the M32C/DL32 after FOH is set we can change EQ of just their stereo Bus sends to assist but that's it.   I did purchase a 32 channel split snake this week and haven't tried it yet as I wanted to try the easier solution with AES50 split first.  If everyone agrees that we can never get true independant mixes this way for our IEMs that won't be affected by FOH, is my only solution to use an Anolog split snake?  And if so, what is the best way to give each musician what they want in their IEMs?  I'm willing to work with each musician until the EQ, FX, etc. is to their liking, I know if the drummer likes his kit mixed a specific way in his IEMs everyone gets what he prefers but seems to be the most fair as each gets to choose their own mix of their instrument, correct?

    I would appreciate any pointers on this topic ASAP as I need a solution by this Friday so we can start and end with the same great mix in our IEMS regardless of what FOH does.

    Thanks in advance,  Danny K

     

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    • DannyKurywchak
      DaveMorrison

      Hi @DannyKurywchak 


      If you connected M32c<>X32Rack<>DL33 and only let the Rack have control of the pre-amps, the FOH guy could mess with digital trim without changing the monitor mixes. Using the X32 Rack gives you freedom from FOH's EQ and dynamics processing and gets you 8 (or 9 with LR) Stereo IEM mixes and each performer can control their own mix via an app.

      • August 6, 2019
    • DannyKurywchak
      DannyKurywchak

      Dave, you would be my hero if you can assist me in cofiguring it correctly!  Here's how I have everything setup now.  AES50-A of the M32C going to the AES50-A on my DL32,   AES50 B on the DL32 going to AES50 A of the X32 Rack,  AES50 B of X32 Rack going to AES50 A of the S16.  What needs to change to not allow FOH to control gains on the X32 going forward?  Thanks for your quick response and I really look forward to your next reply!  

      • August 6, 2019
    • DannyKurywchak
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DannyKurywchak wrote:


      AES50-A of the M32C going to the AES50-A on my DL32,   AES50 B on the DL32 going to AES50 A of the X32 Rack,  AES50 B of X32 Rack going to AES50 A of the S16.  What needs to change to not allow FOH to control gains on the X32 going forward? 





      Don't configure it that way. The X32 Rack will never get preamp control because that can only be done via the DL32 A port. Here is how you should setup the interconnectivity mapping


      M32C FOH [B] <-> [A] X32 Rack [B] <-> [A] DL32 [B] <-> [A] S16 (mode 3)


       


      To transfer the stagebox inputs to the M32C, you need to do the following in the X32 Rack


      Routing, AES50 A 


      * Outputs 1-8 -> AES50 B1-8


      * Outputs 9-16 -> AES50 B9-16


      * Outputs 17-24 -> AES50 B17-24


      * Outputs 25-32 -> AES50 B25-32


      * Outputs 33-40 -> AES50 B33-40


      * Outputs 41-48 -> AES50 B41-48


       


      Since the X32 Rack is closest to the stageboxes, by default it will control the gains and phantom of the DL32 and S16 preamps. Just make sure none of the Setup, preamps, HA Remote settings are enabled.


       

      • August 6, 2019
    • DannyKurywchak
      DannyKurywchak

      Thank you for the clarification Paul.  A couple quick follow-up questions in you don't mind;


      1.  So all instruments plug into the DL32 and if we need more than 32 channels I would continue with Channel 1 of the X32Rack which would be channel 33 now, giving us a total of 48 channels?


      2.  All of our IEMS would go into the DL32 Aux sends and if more aux sends are ever needed would we use Aux 1 of the X32 Rack which would now be 17?


      3. Does this give us full independent control between FOH and IEM Mixer?  Acting just like using a analog Split snake? any issues to be aware of?


      4.  I noticed in the routing instructions there's no mention of routing beyond 48 channels but with DL32, X32Rack and S16 thats a total of 64 inputs. Is this a limitation or is it because you mention the S16 as Mode 3 (which I need to look up what that is   )   If so, what would the S16 be used for?


      Thanks again for the quick response!

      • August 7, 2019
    • DannyKurywchak
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DannyKurywchak wrote:


      1.  So all instruments plug into the DL32 and if we need more than 32 channels I would continue with Channel 1 of the X32Rack which would be channel 33 now, giving us a total of 48 channels?


      Not necessarily. It all depends what you assign on the Routing, home (Inputs) screen of either console (M32C or X32 Rack). These inputs are assigned in banks of 8, plus the Aux In Remap (2-6). Available channels are completely different than how many channels you can mix at any one time (total is 40 - 32 standard channels, 6 Aux, USB player (x2)). In your setup, you actually have 88 available inputs (including 32 from card). 


       


      2.  All of our IEMS would go into the DL32 Aux sends and if more aux sends are ever needed would we use Aux 1 of the X32 Rack which would now be 17?


      The DL32 does not have Aux sends. It has 16 XLR outputs that are assigned on the X32 Rack, AES50-B screen - first 2 banks of 8. If you also want to use the X32 Rack XLR outs (x8), that would be assigned on the Routing, XLR Out screen. If you want to use the S16 (in mode 3 - see instructions) XLR outputs, that would be assigned on the Routing, AES50-B screen - third bank of 8.


       


      3. Does this give us full independent control between FOH and IEM Mixer?  Acting just like using a analog Split snake? any issues to be aware of?


      For the most part, yes. But only one console can control the preamps (gain and phantom) at any one time. By default, the console closest to the stagebox controls the preamps. The eco-system can be configured to provide digital trim (+-18 db) to all consoles (Setup, preamps, HA Gain Split). But that would mean that the console controlling the actual gain and phantom would have to do it on the Setup, preamps screen, not on the individual channel, config screens.


       


      4.  I noticed in the routing instructions there's no mention of routing beyond 48 channels but with DL32, X32Rack and S16 thats a total of 64 inputs. Is this a limitation or is it because you mention the S16 as Mode 3 (which I need to look up what that is   )   If so, what would the S16 be used for?


      The AES50 protocol is limited to 48 bidirectional (both ways) channels at 44 and 48 khz. On the X32 Rack, the XLR jacks on the back are named Local inputs. The S16 can be used for 16 more available inputs and 8 available outputs. One advantage of using multiple stageboxes is to have them closer to the actual inputs which helps reduce the cable spaghetti (and trip hazzard). For example if the DL32 was placed stage front and the S16 was placed stage rear. If you only had 16 inputs at stage front and 16 inputs stage rear, you could assign the first 2 banks of 8 to the DL32 first 16 channels and the 3rd and 4th banks to the S16 inputs. I use an SD16 and SD8 in this manner and assign the 4th bank to the X32 Rack first 8 channels.





       

      • August 7, 2019
  • evansampson
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-01-28

    I was watching a video on youtube from guitar center and noticed the guy stated that the 2 network ports (not aes50 ones) can be used for dante or waves soundgrid. But I also know that they are offering a dante card, so I am confused if you need to buy the expansion card or if dante is built in...

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    • evansampson
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @evansampson 

      Dante is not built-in natively but will be an available pre-installed internal card option in the future. Along with the standard WING configuration, there will be versions that include either a Dante or Soundgrid card internally. This is in addition to the expansion card slot, that will also have those same options and more. 

      • January 28, 2020
  • DannyKurywchak
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-26

    Hello,

    I own a DL32 and a M32C. I love my setup but need a split snake for our IEM setup for analog FOH systems.  I was thinking about purchasing another DL32 or another device that i could connect via the second AES50 port to act as a split snake. Any thoughts on how this could work for Anolog FOH systems or digital systems that don't have a AES50 port?

    Thanks for any info,

    Danny K

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    • DannyKurywchak
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Danny @DannyKurywchak,


      It would be better to get a couple of rackmounted 8 channel splitters such as the Behringer MS8000 or ART S8. That way each consoles will have independent gain control. 


       

      • July 26, 2019
    • DannyKurywchak
      DaveMorrison

      Hi @DannyKurywchak 


      You could use the preamps and then send those signals back to the outputs (with 16 more outputs). The FOH sound tech might not be happy not having control of the preamps, not to mention the possibility of extra noise and hum. Splitting transformers (or a splitting snake) are the preferred choice. ART and Behringer make rack mount splitter (8 channels/rack). Several forum members have used these and have been discussed at length.


       

      • July 26, 2019
    • DannyKurywchak
      DannyKurywchak

      Thanks for the info Paul & Dave.  For my band we use 24 channels of the DL32, sounds like it might be easier to purchases a 24 or 32 channel split snake with breakout xlr cables attached?  If so, do you have one in mind that you can recommnend? Thanks for any follow-up advice. Danny 

      • July 27, 2019
  • StewartJohnson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-10-24

    anyone know how to start and stop xlive recording via osc?

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    • StewartJohnson
      RexBeckett

      @StewartJohnson 


      See page 64 of Patrick Maillot's X32 OSC Documentation


       


      The command is: /‐stat/urec/state {enum}


       

      • October 24, 2019
    • StewartJohnson
      StewartJohnson

      Hi Rex I tried that one, and the mixer did not react..   /‐stat/urec/state


      with a 3 (to start recording) 


      have you done this successfully?

      • October 24, 2019
    • StewartJohnson
      Paul_Vannatto


      @StewartJohnson wrote:


      Hi Rex I tried that one, and the mixer did not react..   /‐stat/urec/state


      with a 3 (to start recording) 


      have you done this successfully?





      What app are you using to send the OSC command? I just checked Live Toolbox source code and that is what I'm using and it works. As Rex @RexBeckett mentioned you may need to include the type (,i) for it to work.


       

      • October 24, 2019
  • sasi
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-09-10

    Hello everyone!

    I've managed to record 32 channels and route them back to the x32.

    but I have some issues with that:

     the sound from the pc is louder than the real player so I don't really have a reference and way to mix the sound before the band actually on the stage...

     

    maybe I'm missing something on the routing??

     

    thanks in advance!

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    • sasi
      GaryHiggins

      ? Real player. How do you have it routed? Probably best to post your scene so we can see how it's set now. Some obvious possibilities are those related to your card out settings.

      • September 10, 2019
    • sasi
      sasi

      thanks @GaryHiggins 


      here is my routing of the virtual sound check Screen Shot 2019-09-11 at 0.43.14.png


      and here is my combined routing 'Real player' and Sound check:


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      the card output is the Card output tab


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      • September 10, 2019
    • sasi
      GaryHiggins

      @sasi Im not understanding how real player is used here exactly-is it used like a daw?. Not clear on other settings except for the card out either. Card out looks correct, at least for using your local xlr nputs.Typically, the routing for 'record' and 'playback' are set differently, and if "automatic" is set for the X-Live card they change when you hit record or play without you having to change them each state. You didn't show the playback settings here. They would usually be 'card 1-32' in groups of 8 and I assume that's what you use.. Usually record is set up to use ALL local ch's as seen partly in your second pic but you only have ch 1-8 set. It looks like ch's 9-32 would record incoming playback tracks 9-32 from a daw instead of local. Also I see you have aux remap set for aux 1 and 2  WHEN playback is used, that would be typical for having set your daw tracks to ALL output a certain pair of ch's. It's possible this is the real player volume? If so the issue may be aux 1 and 2 which could be set balance wise as louder than the card ins. You should be able to adjust aux ch 1 and 2 with the faders to get balance. It still would be best to post your scene to get the whole picture.

      • September 10, 2019
    • sasi
      sasi

      Firstly thanks for your help


      Real player is the drummer.


      Will try to cancel the Aux 1 &2 inputs maybe it will help


       

      • September 10, 2019
    • sasi
      GaryHiggins

      @sasiIf real player is the drummer, 8 tracks of drum ch's going to a daw?... then the other recorded tracks should be local 9-32 in groups of 8 instead of card 9-32. That would put real player ch 1-8 on the first 8 X-Live tracks and X32 local ch's 9-17, 17-24 and 25-32 on Xlive tracks 9-32. When you playback from x-live the x-live PLAYBACK routing settings should be Card 1-32 in groups of 8. That should give you playback of real player recorded tracks on mixer ch 1-8 and the rest on mixer cn 9-32. You could leave aux remap alone but just pull down the faders on aux ch 1 and 2. Hope I'm in the right town

      • September 10, 2019
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