• 2019-05-29

    Is the Heritage-D a real thing?

     

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  • 2019-11-14

    Hi.

    Just updated to the new FW on M32. The faders now move much slower when changing layers.. Is that part of the new software update?

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    • Mike Bertini
      Gary Higgins

      @MikeEsonic It is part of the update. See second to last line below.


        new features:


        - point to point user routing, 4 input and 6 output banks (32 in / 48 out)


        - DP48/HUB4 remote configuration support


        - DP48 setup page with preset library


        - send pan optionally follows LR pan function


        - full backup export/restore function


        - new keyboard with channel name suggestions/history and keyboard layouts


        - X32Core/M32C: Export Show function


        - M32/M32R: V.1 Fader option (forces update of faderboards, requires reboot)


        - option for coloured RTA bars


       

      • November 14, 2019
    • Mike Bertini
      Nicholi Fernandez

      "M32/M32R: V.1 Fader option (forces update of faderboards, requires reboot)"


      This is not very clear.  So are we supported to enable this setting?  What exactly is its functuon whether enabled or disabaled?

      • November 14, 2019
    • Mike Bertini
      Gary Higgins

      @nicholi I think the word option here is meant more like 'feature'...not really a user option or choice, in other words updating the faders for the Midas boards is part of the update period, it comes with the package, no matter...BUT this is only my opinion. I had the same experience and saw no option to update or not update the faders.  

      • November 14, 2019
    • Mike Bertini
      Nicholi Fernandez

      Hi Gary,


      Hmm.  I am not at the board now but under System there is an option to enable or dsable the "feature".  The mixer will reboot.  It does not change change the fader speed howwever from what I can tell.  So I am trying to figure out if it should be enable or not and what is the benefit.  I guess the questions should be.  What is V.1 Fader? What versions of the boards does this affect M32 with black buttons or rubber?

      • November 14, 2019
    • Mike Bertini
      Mike Bertini

      @nicholi Yes I did the same thing. I enabled V.1 Fader option and I thought it would change the speed but it did not. Still trying to figure out what it does, and if you can change the back to original speed. Also, I’m thinking they changed the speed to save the motors so they last longer. 

      • November 15, 2019
  • 2019-11-13

    I have an RMA for an M32. Have any of you found a shipping box for your console, and if so, where?

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  • 2019-12-10

    This is originally from another post but I started a new one because I am wondering if other M32 owners have a similar experience with firmware 4.01. Specific to me, this is an M32R. Anyone else tried this yet and had a similar experience?

     

    The back story is with version 4.0 the fader speed on M32's was reduced/smoothed out, it was (and apparantly still is) a permanent change. With this newer firmware 4.01 there is a "fast fader" checkbox that reboots the mixer and was intended to return the faders back to the 'fast' version.

     

    Well there seems to be a BIG bug or something with the new M32 fader speed! I loaded up 4.01 and went right to the config page/fast fader checkbox area to see if I could get my mixer fader speed back the way it was prior to updating to V4. I confirmed I wanted that 'fast fader' option and....it reboots....and it did change BUT It is WAY different than before. Now the faders "snap" in to place (kind of like it used to) but there is this very worrisome fader motor "after spin" sound (more than just sound) that occurs. (a digital mixer's version of grinding gears) I can tell you 100% this never existed before. I went right back to the (since 4.0) slower fader version and that sound (and whatever process this was) went away! Not ready for prime time I think!

    I am tempted to try it once more to see if maybe it was just a quirky firmware update and I may do so later in the day. 

    EDIT: I just tried the fast fader reboot again with the same results. I am told this is normal and expected however it's a normal I can't live with. I will again say that noise was never there for me before this. I can live with the slower version so there it will stay. 

     

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    • Gary Higgins
      Kevin Maxwell

      I will be setting up a system this afternoon for an event this weekend and we will be using one of the M32s (still on V3.07 of the firmware) for this. I will try and pay attention to the fader behavior and report back later today. 

      • December 10, 2019
    • Gary Higgins
      Gary Higgins

      @KevinMaxwell Well, I finally located firmware version 3.07 myself and when I loaded it up, my nice, snappy and essentially noise free faders returned!! Yippy! NOW the question is if I reload 4.01 from here if it will return them to this fast version when I do so. At least I know how to get them back to what was my normal now. 3.08 did not, 3.11 did not. And I now know I am not crazy (well sort of know) I wil also report back.


       


      EDIT: Loading 4.01 again puts the faders at the slower, smoother speed and the fast fader option makes them fast again but with losts of extraneous "after" noise NOT like version 3.07 at all. I made some short videos of all 3 and when I figure HOW to post them, I will.

      • December 10, 2019
    • Gary Higgins
      Kevin Maxwell

      I listened very carefully and on the M32 I was setting up (that has V3.07 on it) there was no weird noises like you were experiencing with the console running 4.01 and the faders set to fast. I agree with you that it sounds like there is a bug in the 4.01 fast fader firmware.

      • December 10, 2019
    • Gary Higgins
      Gary Higgins

      @KevinMaxwell Thanks Kevin, my experience exactly. I can't seem to upload my little videos so I'm trying to post them via dropbox link instead. These show the differences quite clearly (though video is NOT my thing). Hope they will be up soon.

      • December 10, 2019
    • Gary Higgins
      Gary Higgins

       


      @KevinMaxwell or anyone else interested: Video 3 is the "new" fast fader version Again the news for anyone wanting the faders back the way they used to be prior to firmware 4.0 or 4.01 Load version 3.7 (it's still availble if you choose to include the archived version in search on the Midas page) In my case it brought back the fader speed to what it was the day I bought it. BUT 4.01 puts them right back to slow or (noisy) fast. I am choosing to use the slower faders and stay on 4.01 due to its awsomeness in other areas and until such time as the old fast and noisefree version returns. And.....just like the recent US Congressional hearings, The gentleman recognizes himself as to the solution


       


      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5ru6bwfno5fcg5k/AAA9ugBcV-Se8L7YtteR35uYa?dl=0


       


      EDIT2: I re-loaded firmware 3.7 to see what fader version it is that runs across the bottom of the screen-it appears to be fader version r/R .12 or r/R 1.2 


       


      EDIT: As an aside I noticed in this process of loading different firmware versions that if you use the console global setup page (bottom left) for updating firmware, you can have several firmware files at the root directory at once, and pick which one to load. I always made sure there was only 1 in the past as that was the specifried way to do it. FWIW

      • December 10, 2019
  • 2019-11-05

    Hi 

    I've got a band with 7 member, who's considering buying a P16-system. Recently I stumbled upon the DP48-system, which, to me, seems more attractive than the P16-system.

    However, I'm interested in knowing if it is possible to daisy chain multiple DP48s and if so, how many units can be daisy chained?

    Fingers crossed that someone can help me out

    /Krabbe

     

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    • Jesper Krabbe
      Gary Higgins

      @Krabbe Paul or Robert will know for sure but the units use aes50 and not an ultranet port, they have an in and a thru aes50 port and power is supplied using POE so I'm sure you can link "many". The ultranet port of the p16 with p16D's added could support I believe up to 64 p16M's? Anyway I'm sure at LEAST 4 could be linked, with each supporting 2 mixes-that would give 8 people mixes of their own. My guess is it would support many more, but I'm a guesser!


      https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Signal-Processors/In-Ear-Monitoring/DP48/p/P0BMX#googtrans(en|en)


       

      • November 5, 2019
    • Jesper Krabbe
      Ken Mitchell

      I think it might also depend on what the functionality of the "yet-to-be-released" HUB4 is when it comes to the remote configuration and also the back-channeling of the mixes.  That could limit the number of DP48s in a chain. 

      • November 5, 2019
    • Jesper Krabbe
      Gary Higgins

      @KenMitchell The Hub4 kind of sounds like the dp48 equivalent of the P16D, I'm guessing (I do a lot of that) it takes an aes50 line, adds the POE component and supplies 4 dp48's which can each then pass on 1 via aes50 thru (they each have a thru)? As you said that bidirectional aes50 48 ch count makes things a bit sticky. Can't wait to find out! I'll get 10 or so to go with my new WING

      • November 5, 2019
    • Jesper Krabbe
      Paul Vannatto

      Hi @Krabbe,


      I can provide some insight regarding this new personal mixer. Daisy chaining of the DP48 is done in a similar manner to the P16's in that each DP48 has input and thru AES50 ports and would require the included power adapter. The Hub4 provides POE on the AES50 to eliminate the need for the power adapter if the DP48 is connected directly to it (similar to the P16-D). 


       


      The Hub4 is a 1U form factor that provides for up to 4 DP48 as well as input and thru AES50 ports. But it also has a lot of routing flexibility in it. One of the features is that you can connect up to 8 stereo IEMs to the back of it, that are mixed from the connected DP48. Each DP48 can accommodate 1 or 2 musicians. 


       


      I've been beta testing these since the beginning of July with 9 tribute bands (from all over Ontario, Canada) and 9 local bands - and everyone loved them. One of the events was a Woodstock 50th Anniversary (Aug 16) that had 1 local band and 5 tribute bands in 9 hours. That allowed approximately 30 minutes between bands. As part of the transition, I had to set gains (only one band showed up for soundcheck), show everyone how to use their DP48's, change mic placement, etc. At the end of each set, I got rave reviews from each of the bands. That shows how user-friendly the DP48 can be - if the sound engineer is prepared to spend some time ahead of the event setting it all up (and the riders from the bands are up to date and accurate).


       


       

      • November 5, 2019
    • Jesper Krabbe
      Gary Higgins

      Hey Paul @Paul_Vannatto , so what is the real world limit to the number of DP48 units on a single mixer? Have they said? Can a stagebox be cascaded off (and back thru) a DP48 or Hub4? In other words if you use the DP48 on a port A or B of a mixer, is that port more or less used up or can other things still be connected? Also the aes50 assignments, are you "stuck" with the ch assignments used on a port (A or B) elsewhere for the available DP48 ch's? For instance say I use out 1-8, out 9-16 for mixbuses and foh and have 17-24 set for say aux1-6/M and then say card 1-8 for 25-32 and p16 for the rest. Are these then then also aes50 ch choices for the DP48? If so it would seem then that one might be better off keeping one port exclusively for the DP48's and use the other port for other mixers and stageboxes?

      • November 5, 2019
  • 2019-06-10

    Hi Guys,

    I'm looking to move up from my XR18 to either an X32 rack or a Midas M32C and the simple question is are the Behringer SD8/SD16 stageboxes compatible with the M32C or do I have to get the Midas DL stageboxes?

    Thanks in advance

    Rik

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    • Rik Rayner
      Paul Vannatto

      Hi Rik @RikRayner,


      Yes the SD8 and SD16 will work with the M32C. But you don't gain much of the "Midas" touch that way. The M32C has the identical DSP engine as the X32 models. The difference is in the Midas preamps and outputs, which in the case of the M32C would be in the stagebox(s). You would be far better ahead to get an X32 Rack with an SD8 (or 2) or an SD16 IMO.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Rik Rayner

      Hi Paul,


      thanks for the confirmation.  I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Paul Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8





      Yes its also a shame that they discontinued the X32 Core (the Behringer equivalent of the M32C). But to me the real shame is that they didn't produce a Midas equivalent to the X32 Rack. The reason is that there is a significant difference with the Midas Pro preamps and outputs (over the Behringer Midas designed).


       


      Yes there is a space advantage of the 1U form factor, but at the expense of the flexibility of the inputs/outputs. As you probably know, I use a dual X32 Rack with and SD8 and SD18 setup. A couple of years ago (this Aug) I was setting up for a Chicago tribute band when we got hit with 4 downpours during setup/soundcheck. I had the SD16 at the back of the stage to handle the drums and backline and it got a bit wet (due to the horizontal driving rain). The results was that it was showing signals where there was nothing plugged in. Their sound engineer shared his concern and I quickly wheeled one of the Racks to the back of the stage, configured it as an S16, repatched - and we were back in business in about 10 minutes. The other Rack was used as the main mixer, situated at one end of the stage and took care of the MC wireless mics and and opening act (since we were using all 24 inputs of the stageboxes for the main act). If I had a choice between an M32C and X32 Rack, I'd still choose the Rack.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Rik Rayner

      Hi Paul,


      I can see that by taking the X32 rack I have a backup option of hardwiring into the desk in the event of a stagebox failure.  We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??

      • June 10, 2019
    • Rik Rayner
      Paul Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??





      You've never exceeded because you didn't have a choice  Just wait...


       


      If I had only a choice between an SD16 or 2 SD8's, I'd choose the 2 SD8's. It gives you 8 more outputs, plus it gives more flexibility of positioning at stage front/back or left/right, reducing the cable spaghetti.

      • June 10, 2019
  • 2019-08-24

    Could someone pls advise about whether it is possible to connect Behringer P16 to DL153. We have MIDAS M32R and DL153 stage box. P16 works fine off the mixer desk M32 Ultranet port, but the DL153 manual is silent about whether the DL153 Ethernet Control can send Ultranet. Is this possible or are we going to have to run a separate RJ44/Cat5 cable from the M32 to the stage for Ultranet? If DL153 cannot run Ultranet, what is the cheapest alternative to running an additional Cat5 cable to provide Ultranet connectivity on stage? Thanks in advance, David. 

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    • David Busch
      Dave Morrison

      Hi @DavidC3Av 


      No. Ultranet is neither AES50 or Ethernet. The DL153 doesn't have ultranet capability. The Midas DL 32 & 16 and Behringer S32, S16, SD16, SD8 all can do ultranet because they have the proper chipsets. Channels 33-48 on the AES50 bus are then routed by the stageboxes to the ultranet ports. Theoretically it might be possible to send signal to a SD8 and then daisy-chain to the DL153. Maybe someone on the forum has done it.

      • August 24, 2019
    • David Busch
      David Busch

      Thank you Dave, much appreciated. Looks like an elegant solution, and low enough cost to order and give it a shot next Sunday. Do you think it might be possible to daisy chain the SD8 after the DL153? Ie. even though DL153 doesn’t have Ultranet chipset that it is likely to faithfully pass on whatever protocol is happening on the AES50 for the SD8 to put out the Ultranet? Thanks again.

      • August 24, 2019
    • David Busch
      Gary Higgins

      @DavidC3Av AFAIK you can't daisy chain any of the midas "blue" series stageboxes. The second aes50 port on those is redundant meaning if one fails the other will keep working when connected to a Midas Pro series mixer. It's not an in/thru type line. When using with the X32/M32 series mixers, it can be used on one aes50 port and nothing can be daisy chained beyond it on that line, In that regard they become somewhat limited. However your SD8/16/32's can be used on the other remaining X32 aes50  port and daisy chained normally up to the 48 ch limit.

      • August 24, 2019
    • David Busch
      David Busch @GaryHiggins thank you. Would inserting the SD8 before the DL153 on that AES50 work?
      • August 24, 2019
    • David Busch
      Gary Higgins

      It may, I am not sure, I would wonder how/if the S/SD boxes can pass forward the ch's of the DL153 box properly to the mixer due to the ch shift they normally impose and implement with regard to each other. You might not achieve proper sync. I might guess no but it's just a guess. @ChaseMcKnight would be the guy here who would know for sure.


       


      @RexBeckettsorry did not see your post before writting my response...


       

      • August 24, 2019
  • 2017-08-12
    Hi everybody.

    Current
    Using electronic drum kit. Only L & R output so we pan hard L/R with low sounds one sire high sounds other.

    Goal
    But drum processor does have midi out. Is there a way to separate each drum to discreet channel through midi at DL16 to M32.

    If yes, how do I make that happen? Asking for three churches.

    Cheers.
    King
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    •  King Burton
      Kevin Maxwell

      King Burton;129333 wrote:

      Hi everybody.



      Current

      Using electronic drum kit. Only L & R output so we pan hard L/R with low sounds one sire high sounds other.



      Goal

      But drum processor does have midi out. Is there a way to separate each drum to discreet channel through midi at DL16 to M32.



      If yes, how do I make that happen? Asking for three churches.



      Cheers.

      King




      I think you will find that the Midi outs on the Drums are control outputs. If you wanted to hit a drum and have it bring up or down a fader on the console then that might sort of work. But the Midi out is not a way to get the different drum sounds out of the drums to the mixer.
      • August 12, 2017
  • 2019-11-08

    At the current time, M-32 edit v4.0 is available to download. However the link to the Mac version is wrong (3.2). I'm guessing the firmware will follow very soon???

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    • Dave Morrison
      Dave Morrison

      Wow! This is gonna take a minute to digest.


      User In and User Out are cool. Now I wanna rebuild my whole setup.


      @Paul_Vannatto  It seems that Output 1-16, Ultranet, and Aux In are still the only way to add a Mixbus to any outputs. Does that mean we (potentially) have a triple staged output system? For example. Mixbus 1 > Output 12 > User Out 48> AES50-B 48 (and/or AES50-A 8)?


      I suppose all this new power will lead to some serious thinking. How do we explain it to new users?

      • November 8, 2019
    • Dave Morrison
      Ken Mitchell

      @DaveMorrison  - I've got a headache reading what you just wrote.   I wish I had the time to write a graphical routing tool that allowed scene editing and saving.   This new firmware is going to require a lot of pencil and paper sketches.  Fire up the scanner. 


       


      Ken

      • November 8, 2019
    • Dave Morrison
      Craig Fowler

      Saw some of this on Reddit a couple of weeks ago.


       


      It looks like using the User IO we can move away from the blocks of 8 a bit, especially wrt inputs.  It looks like we can get source signals from anywhere outside the DSP using the UserIn tab, and not be restricted by the blocks of 8.  2 local preamps (not necessarily in the same block of 8, in fact not even next to each other) + 1 card in + another local preamp + 1 aux socket + 2 remote preamps + another card in, all in 1 block of input signals is now possible, without needing to burn other input blocks, or get creative with the AuxIn Remap, or re-assign channel sources.  Yay.  Also, the internal TB mic and ExtTB preamp are both available as separate sources; so no more burning a bus to get TB to a channel.  Then once we've "staged" the UserIn tab, we can apply those userIn blocks to the input tab.  Alternatively, if we're happy with the blocks of 8 as is, we can route inputs normally, ignoring the UserIn tab alltogether.


       


      This makes a lot of my previous posts redundant. 


       


      Re outputs, it looks like we can just do the normal stage to block then assign block to output as per usual, however the UserOut tab can be used for things like passthrough without relying on blocks of 8, similar to input blocks, but can also be used to mix and match DSP signals staged in the out1-16\aux out\ultranet tabs in too, in pretty much any order, ie in the one block-of-8, you can get the signal from output5 in the out1-16 tab (eg bus5, post fader) appearing next to the signal from output15 on the ultranet tab (eg DirOut ch15, In\LC,) appearing next to a tap straight off a remote preamp from a stagebox connected to AES50A, then a signal from a cardin (eg a click track, no need to assign the click to a channel,) then the signal from a preamp from a stagebox connected to AES50B.


       


      Basically we've almost hit routing nirvana (though IMO the app could use some workflow tweaks.)

      • November 8, 2019
    • Dave Morrison
      Ken Mitchell

      @CraigFowler  - you guys scare the heck out of me.  I feel like I'm on an amusement ride and my head is spinning and I'm just about to... <deleted>


       


      Ken

      • November 8, 2019
    • Dave Morrison
      Dave Morrison

      When I saw that 4.0 (M32-Edit) was available, I had to look. Thankfully all the old ways seem to work. But the User In and User Out tab were mind numbing for a bit. I couldn't even understand the GUI for 10 or 15 minutes. It makes sense now.  

      • November 8, 2019
  • 2020-01-22

    I see that there is a new Firmware out for the X/M32 series.  NICE!  My question pertains to why MIdas lists the dates of the updates for the boards and not the stage boxes?  I also have the DL32 and the Firmware for it is listed as 1.7, but NO date.  I remember updating a year or two ago and I'm thinking there is nothing new since then?  Just wish Midas would list a date along the side of the Download so I new if there was something new?  

    Is there anyway to check the Stagebox to see what Firmware it is running?

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    •  Mark Norgren
      Gary Higgins

      1.7 is the latest. I believe as part of the update, only while connected to your pc, the current firmware will display.

      • Jan 22
    •  Mark Norgren
      Mark Norgren

      Thanks Gary!


       


      It would be nice if Midas would put the Firmware date next to the download so we would know.  Easy to check on the board, not so easy on the stagebox!

      • Jan 22
    •  Mark Norgren
      Gary Higgins

      @MarkNorgrenI may have told you wrong-but there is an easier way. Holding the mute button in while powering up disables the fan with firmware 1.7...so if that doesn't happen it's not on 1.7...and yes, I agree a release date would be nice! Seems easy enough to add. Or some other easily accessible way to tell.

      • Jan 22
    •  Mark Norgren
      Mark Norgren

      I remember updating when we moved to V3.0, so my guess is that was 1.7?  Just update the board to V4.02 and things went well!


      Game on!

      • Jan 22
    •  Mark Norgren
      Gary Higgins

      @MarkNorgren Looks like it was from Feb 2016


       


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      • Jan 22
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