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  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-21

    We have an M32 AES50-B <-> X32 Core A <> X32 Core B <-> DL32 A

     

    Sync master is X32 Core

     

    We are not always getting sync on power up

     

    1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?

    2) Can they be arbitrarily power cycled (as long as the X32 core being the master is on)

     

    Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?

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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      We are not always getting sync on power up


      Anytime I get intermittent sync, it is usually due to a flakey AES50 cable.


      1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?


      I normally power up the master clock device first. But it seems to sync irrespective of the order.


      Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?


      I would suspect a cable.





       

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul


      We lost sync between X32Core+DL32.


      We powere cycled them both which fixed sync


      This caused M32+X32Core sync to be lost


      We reset M32, sync still lost


      We powered everything down then turned on X32Core+M32, waited for them to boot/sync, then turned on M32 and it worked finally.


       


      As per these steps, sync was lost on both cables at separate times


       


      If this is supposed to be robust on bootup at all times I'd suspect the X32 Core since sync was lost or not achieved on both AES ports of the X32 Core

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      By the way, we did not move or change any AES or other cables at all during this process.  Entirely related to reboots and the like.

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Sorry no edit feature. We are using high quality AES50 cables here for both cables. Odds they are problematic is extremely low, and odds that both happened to fail is even lower. Sorry no edit feature on these posts my bad

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Have you tried to change the master to the M32?


      Are the AES50 cables shielded with ethercons on each end?


      Have you tried re-aligning the RJ45 connectors inside the ethercon ends (by loosening the stress nut, plugging the end into a jack, wiggling slightly, then tightening the nut)?

      • August 21, 2019
  • billh2020
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-28

    Greetings!

    I am still learning my way around a digital mixer and hope that I can get some advice on the best way to configure our MR18 mixer. In a nutshell, I want to route non-EQed audio post-fader to the USB interface and am not sure the most efficient method.

    Our Application

    We work with corporate clients to produce company meetings. These can take place in a variety of spaces, including very reverberant venues like breweries.

    We provide the local sound reinforcement and broadcast audio and video to remote locations using web conference or live streaming. When web conferencing, remote locations may present (using audio, video and screen sharing) to the local audience.

    Here is our audio routing: 

    • We have a combination of wireless lav/headworn/handheld microphones coming into the MR 18.
    • We are using PEQ’s on the channels and a TEG/GEQ on the LR mains. We also use the auto-mix feature on the microphone channels.
    • The MR18 LR mains feed a local sound system for sound reinforcement. 
    • The Midas USB interface is configured for 2 channel operation connected to a computer workstation running a video switcher application (i.e. the Video Switcher).
    • The web conferencing remote audio feed is routed from the Video Switcher to the MR18 using the USB interface for in-house playback. This allows remote presenters to address the in-house audience.
    • To avoid a feedback loop, on the MR18 we create a mix-minus aux-send feed using Bus A. This mix-minus routes all local microphone audio less the web conferencing remote audio via the USB interface to the video mixer. The tap point is post-fader since individual microphones are muted when speakers are off-stage. This audio is broadcast to all the geographically remote locations.

    The Problem

    Depending on the event space, we use PEQ/TEQ/GEQ on the microphones to suppress feedback. I would like to send the “fuller” sounding non-EQ’ed microphone audio to the remote audience while maintaining a tap point that allows us to mute individual mic channels for both local and remote audiences.

    On a side note, I've learned alot reading through these postings and appreciate the knowledge shared on these boards. Thanks in advance for your advice!

    Bill

     

     

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    • billh2020
      GaryHiggins

      @billh2020 It seems like you have got your local feed under control with post fader room compensated sends to FOH. You can set your usb sends at a different tap and by using the +M version of that tap, still maintain your mutes as desired. You might want to try the pre eq plus mute tap (solid yellow in M32-Edit) for the usb ch sends. It would be best if you post your scene here to get a clear picture of what you have set up.


       


      EDIT: In the setup/GUI Prefs section, if you make sure "Apply changes to all channels" is NOT checked, you can even send every ch at a different tap point if that works out better for some usb ch's.

      • August 28, 2019
    • billh2020
      Vasco_Romijn

      In the routing setup by the USB sends tab you can set those channels to Pre EQ+Mute. I think you lost fader control on the USB sends this way because it is not post fader anymore. You have to try yourself because I do not own a MR18. Just have the software installed for offline configurations when I know there is one at a veneu where I have to work.

      • August 28, 2019
  • drice
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-13

    We have an M32 in our Broadcast TV station and the features are excellent, but we hate having to use up two faders for every stereo source input. I'm wondering if controlling a linked pair of inputs with a single fader might ever be a feature in a future firmware/software update?

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    • drice
      AnthonieHunter

      Did you consider controlling the pair with a DCA?

      • June 13, 2019
    • drice
      drice

      Using a DCA to control a stereo input is a great idea and I’m using four of them for that purpose currently. We’ve got about 10 stereo sources we’d like to have on single faders. The console has enough inputs for all of our sources, just trying to get the most frequently used ones on the top fader layer. And trying to get my sound ops used to a console that is not our analog 32 channel Verona!  Thanks for the input!

      • June 13, 2019
    • drice
      drice

      While playing around with the great options that everyone has been suggesting, I stumbled upon another possibility (provided you aren't concerned with keeping stereo separation on a particular input). This solution could also work as a kind of internal router, and works around the "routing in banks of eight only" limitation by allowing the placement of any single input on any fader. 


      Here's the theory (I have't actually tried it yet). Physically patch a cable between an available Aux Output and an XLR input in the 1-16 range (to put it on the first fader bank). Now you can internally route any one of your inputs to that Aux, and it will be available on that first bank's fader. Be sure to send that input prefader and pre-mute, then mute the actual input, so it does not feed the Main output from there. You'll now have full control of that input on the fader you chose, without having to change fader banks to get to it. You could send a stereo pair to that Aux and control it with that single fader (it will be summed mono of course), without burning a DCA or two top bank faders. 


      In our TV studio, we have to occasionally use different sources for different shows, and the mix can be unpredicatable, so having 1 or 2 "route-able" inputs can be really useful to keep the frequently used faders for that show on the top page/bank. We've got a lot of possible inputs from audio clip playback devices, graphics SFX, in-studio guest mics, phone callers, Skype guests and satellite guests, so it's not possible to keep them all on the first fader bank, and the mixer's installation makes it impractical to physically repatch before each show. I can save a scene for each possible scenario and just load the correct one once I know where all my sources are coming from for a particular show. 


      Thanks for all the great advice everyone, and I hope this idea can work for someone who might have been struggling with a similar issue (if it actually works and does not create some kind of audio black hole). 


       

      • June 15, 2019
    • drice
      KevinMaxwell


      @drice wrote:


      While playing around with the great options that everyone has been suggesting, I stumbled upon another possibility (provided you aren't concerned with keeping stereo separation on a particular input). This solution could also work as a kind of internal router, and works around the "routing in banks of eight only" limitation by allowing the placement of any single input on any fader. 


      Here's the theory (I have't actually tried it yet). Physically patch a cable between an available Aux Output and an XLR input in the 1-16 range (to put it on the first fader bank). Now you can internally route any one of your inputs to that Aux, and it will be available on that first bank's fader. Be sure to send that input prefader and pre-mute, then mute the actual input, so it does not feed the Main output from there. You'll now have full control of that input on the fader you chose, without having to change fader banks to get to it. You could send a stereo pair to that Aux and control it with that single fader (it will be summed mono of course), without burning a DCA or two top bank faders. 


      In our TV studio, we have to occasionally use different sources for different shows, and the mix can be unpredicatable, so having 1 or 2 "route-able" inputs can be really useful to keep the frequently used faders for that show on the top page/bank. We've got a lot of possible inputs from audio clip playback devices, graphics SFX, in-studio guest mics, phone callers, Skype guests and satellite guests, so it's not possible to keep them all on the first fader bank, and the mixer's installation makes it impractical to physically repatch before each show. I can save a scene for each possible scenario and just load the correct one once I know where all my sources are coming from for a particular show. 


      Thanks for all the great advice everyone, and I hope this idea can work for someone who might have been struggling with a similar issue (if it actually works and does not create some kind of audio black hole). 


       





      I am not understanding what this will give you unless you are talking about using a Mix Bus to mearge each pair of inputs.

      • June 16, 2019
    • drice
      drice

      Merging (summing) the stereo inputs to one fader is one possible use, the other is that this allows me to internally route any one of my inputs to the top bank of faders. Sure, I could do this by simply connecting that device to an input that already appears on the top layer, but the connections on the back of our mixer are not easily accessible, and depending on what sources we are using for a show, I might want to quickly place something on a top level fader that does not usually appear there. Some other mixers allow you to do this on an single input basis, but the M32 locks you into routing inputs to faders in banks of eight. 

      • June 17, 2019
  • GaryHiggins
    Superhero - Level 1
    2019-10-02
    • GaryHiggins
      DaveMorrison

      Cool. To be able to mix all 48 channels on the AES50 bus looks very powerful. I wonder if the X32 will get firmware 4.0 as well?

      • October 2, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      Paul_Vannatto


      @GaryHiggins wrote:


      DP48! Looks pretty awesome....



      Yup, it is pretty awesome. But it does require more preparation by the sound engineer. 


       

      • October 2, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      GaryHiggins

      @DaveMorrison I'm gonna guess it will since in the promo blurb it says it will work with Behringer X32 and since previous firmware releases have been for both X/M32 I don't see firmware 4.0 anywhere just yet though. @Paul_Vannatto I'm most curious about the price, do you have any insight there?. I quickly looked at Sweetwater but it appears they don't even list the device let alone have any pre orders yet.

      • October 2, 2019
    • GaryHiggins
      sonosamas

      Midas DP48 looks like a great piece of gear.  Will it work with Behringer XR18, P16-I, or P16-D?

      • March 24, 2020
    • GaryHiggins
      Paul_Vannatto


      @sonosamas wrote:


      Midas DP48 looks like a great piece of gear.  Will it work with Behringer XR18, P16-I, or P16-D?





      No it will not, because it uses the AES50. The X-Air does not have that.


       

      • March 24, 2020
  • coreysound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-31

    Just saw on twitter Midas put the Tc Electronic vss4 in the Pro series. Think they'll add it to m32? 

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    • coreysound
      VincentPouly

      Hi,


      Not PRO Series, only ProX consoles.


      It seems it needs CPU ans Neutron can provide it, not PRO1/2/2C.


       

      • July 31, 2019
  • AntoniPal
    Triber Contributor
    2019-12-04

    Dear All, 

    I've noticed that automixer in Pro Series is still a sort of unknown feature. I've decided to create and share with You a short manual, that's aimed to explain the basics of use. 
    Feel free to put comments below if You'll still have issues with it. 
    Regards, A.

    CUST X2B SOLU1 UK1_Automixer Setup in Midas PRO Series Consoles_2019-12-04_Rev.0.pdf
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    • AntoniPal
      Ishai

      Thanks for this. Now if same could  be done for all the available effects, particulary for the more obscure ones... also, it needs to be mentioned that it needs to be turned on but here is the thing- Off mode is a muted green where as ON is "Greener " Green- as oppsed to different colors.....like red and green for example....

      • December 6, 2019
  • nb3
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-08

    I’ve recently used a Pro2 and the Spectrum Analyzer on it is really nice. Just like the animation on it is super responsive and tight and because of that it’s more useful to me than any other spectrum analyzer I’ve used. I’m just using the default settings on it. Anybody know if there’s a way to get that same spectrum analyzer software as standalone software on your computer? Or better yet as a plug-in? I’m expecting that doesn’t exist, so this is more a request to Midas to make that a thing. I’m also wondering if anybody knows of a software spectrum analyzer that’s similar in its responsiveness and animation to Midas’s

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  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-12-01

    Installed V4 on the M32 in our sanctuary.  My first real application was today.

    Question.  What do the colours of the bars in the RTA mean?

    Feedback.  Limiting Automix to ch1-8 is very limiting.  Our installation is hard wired stage to board and all our volunteers know where to find common stage signals on the board.  Remapping inputs to utilize Automix on ch1-8 is restrictive to the point of unusable.  Ideally it would be best to be able to choose any eight channels on the board to Automix.  However a workable compromise would be to allow selection of one of the four banks of eight (1-8, 9-16, 16-24, 25-32).

    Do like the reworked GUI.  Less Appley-Windowsy with good use of contrast for readabiity,  Definitely like the new channel Home screen.

    Hopefully somebody in Midas reads this stuff.
    Dwayne A

     

     

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    • DwayneAasberg
      KevinMaxwell


      @DwayneAasberg wrote:


      Installed V4 on the M32 in our sanctuary.  My first real application was today.


      Question.  What do the colours of the bars in the RTA mean?


      Feedback.  Limiting Automix to ch1-8 is very limiting.  Our installation is hard wired stage to board and all our volunteers know where to find common stage signals on the board.  Remapping inputs to utilize Automix on ch1-8 is restrictive to the point of unusable.  Ideally it would be best to be able to choose any eight channels on the board to Automix.  However a workable compromise would be to allow selection of one of the four banks of eight (1-8, 9-16, 16-24, 25-32).


      Do like the reworked GUI.  Less Appley-Windowsy with good use of contrast for readabiity,  Definitely like the new channel Home screen.


      Hopefully somebody in Midas reads this stuff.
      Dwayne A


       


       





      What do you use the Automix for in a church. Autmixers are not reliably usable for music they will make weird decisions and will bring some mics down when you don't want them to. They are only made for multiple mics for speaking like on a panel discussion. I use Automixers for the dialog parts in Musicals but I am using external ones. I have used over 30 channels at a time with this method.

      • December 1, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      DwayneAasberg

      Hey Kevin.


      Sorry I was not more clear.


      We do not use the AutoMixer for music.


      In the past we used the AutoMixer for panel discussions of 3-5 panelists. Seemingly it worked as intended.  In any event, we are now reduced to fader-riding as the channels that are available for that activity are hard-wired to inputs 17-24.  Yes, I know we now have all-powerful-selective-routing.  Sadly that will make matters more confusing in this instance.


      D

      • December 2, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      adam_nowak

      Hello Dwayne
      Thanks for your feedback on the 4.00


      The coloured RTA bars work just like the spectrograph : the redder the color, the higher the level
      This was already represented by the height of the bars, but this was one of the extra features
      You can deactivate the coloured RTA bars in Meters - RTA - 6th encoder.


      Breaking the Automix restriction to the first 8 channels is a quite requested change, and it is definitely up on our to do list. Unfortunately there were other things on that list, and that didnt make it to the 4.01 ... Hopefully soon

      Best regards

      • December 2, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      CraigBowers

      Can I add a query if it's expected that with V4.0 that on the M32, with 2 stage boxes daisy chained on AES-A that only 1 stagebox is represented in the AES-A box on the mixer (in Routing).  Where-as both are shown on AES-A in M32-Edit on the PC.


      This has given our techs some heart attacks as we early on had a lot of occurrences of the second stage box not showing online after startup, and techs learned to always check there first after start, and if not confirmed, shut things down and do the start sequence again.  (It seems to have stabilized now, but for a while to save time it was always better for us to turn the stageboxes on for a few seconds first, then off, before starting with the M32, then stageboxes, then amps).


      So because of that early history the absence of the visual confirmation of both stageboxes on AES-A in V4.0 has been jarring.


       

      • December 8, 2019
  • jon9max
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-04

    Hello, I'm new. Very new. I don't even have the equipment yet.

    I am going to have an M32C with a DL32. I am having it all racked up so we can use it for stereo IEM's, with a split for FOH.

    This is a large band, 11 people, and there will be 6-7 stereo IEM's and just about all 32 inputs will be filled.

    I am doing all I can to learn about the unit so we can get to work right away when I get this next week. 

    It seems if you use all of the Physical outputs you can't use the effects? (I know the mix busses, but...)What does one have to do with the other? Am I missing something? There are 16 phys. outputs and 16 "mix busses" Did they not think people would not use up the physical outputs and the mix busses to go with them and Not want some reverb?

    As I said, I don't know. Is there something I'm missing totally? Is there a workaround?

    Thanks in advance! 

     

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    • jon9max
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi John @jon9max,


      Welcome to the forum. Yes you are misunderstanding how the M32 engine is designed. Physical outputs are separate entities from the mixbuses. What I would suggest you do is to download the M32-Edit app (PC, Mac, linux and/or Raspberry Pi) and have a look at how everything is laid out.


       


      There are 16 mixbuses that can be used to mix channel sends and output to various destinations, including physical outputs. Typically it is setup to use the first 12 mixbuses for monitor mixes or 6 mixbus stereo pairs, or a combination thereof. The last 3 mixbuses are typically used to mix channel sends to be sent to the first 4 Fx slots (side-chain) as the dry signal inputs. The wet signals are returned in stereo pair channel inputs (on the Aux layer channel strips 9-16), which can then be sent to the Main LR and/or any of the monitor mixes.


       


      Assignments to the physical outputs are done in the Routing section and is accomplished in a 2 step process. First individual outputs are assigned to individual physical outputs on the Out 1-16, Aux Out or Ultranet. Then these outputs are assigned to the AES50 in banks of 8 of those individual assignments.


       


      The best thing to do is play around with the M32-Edit, then ask questions here as they come up. That's how I got started back in Dec 2012 when my church got their X32. Because I was new to the digital mixing world, I ended up asking lots of questions.


       

      • July 3, 2019
    • jon9max
      jon9max

      Thanks so much Paul! 


      I do have the M32 edit program and I am setting up as much as I can prior to getting the unit. That’s what brought me here with my question. You basically restated my question with your solution. When you said “typically” it is used in such a way...


      What I’m asking, is if I use the mix busses to control the stereo IEM’s, can I use effects? 

      • July 3, 2019
    • jon9max
      Paul_Vannatto


      @jon9max wrote:


      Thanks so much Paul! 


      When you said “typically” it is used in such a way...


      That is the way it is setup from the factory and I normally leave it that way. Fortunately it does give the ability to change that. For example, if you need 7 stereo IEM capability, you could use mixbuses 1-14 and use only the last 2 (15 and 16) for sends to 2 of the FX slots.


      What I’m asking, is if I use the mix busses to control the stereo IEM’s, can I use effects? 


      Yes of course you can. There are 2 ways of using the effects - sidechain or insert. Reverbs, delays, etc. work best using the side chain method, which requires a mixbus to feed them.





       

      • July 3, 2019
    • jon9max
      jon9max

      Ok, So can I insert them, then?  (I do know how they work best, but it looks like I'm not gonna be able to do it that way. It just seems wacky that the outputs are kinda tied to the mix buses, well, that there aren't more mix busses if you are using them to control the outputs for Iem's/monitors.) But It's so we can get a little reverb in the IEM's just so vocals and drums won't be completely dry. I haven't found a way to insert them.  Inserted to a subgroup an input channel? (subgroup would be great) 


      thank you,


      John

      • July 4, 2019
    • jon9max
      BillHood

      Hi @jon9max . Paul is the expert so you have the right person helping you out. Just thought I would chime in, as you asked about any workarounds... but I will note the DL32 has ADAT out for 17 through 32. I have often wondered if ADAT out to an ADA8200 wouldn't provide more physical outputs, but I don't need them so have never tried.


       


      Alternatively, with 11 folks and 6-7 stereo IEM's I figure you are anticipating some shared mixes or wedges or similar? If you can work it with your group, using a couple of mix bus for compiling/grouping several channels like to a 'drum' L 'drum' R, you might be able to get away with using a couple of the P16 system in addition to the 16 physical outs. Downside is P16 only allows 16 assignments, which I find a real drawback. 


       


      Idea might be mix bus 1-12 are individual L-R mixes and go to 12 of your physical outs for 6 stereo IEM, and you have 4 physical outs for Subs and Mains


       


      Bus 13 and 14 then are 'drum' LR, bus 15 and 16 are for effects send. Or some combination of the above, whatever fits your need. Then for the P16 system you can assign the 'grouped' mix bus 13 and 14, where you can also mix in some of your effects returns to add reverb, then 14 other individual channels.


      Not ideal I know, but maybe useful... also note the M32C has 'Monitor Out L and R' - I use those physical outs for my IEM as well. Still uses 2 mix bus, but is 2 more physical outs... just have to use some creative routining.

      • July 4, 2019
  • Blink180stu
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-12-06

    Anyone experienced this before?  After touching some of the knobs on the Pro2, the values will randomly change as if it thinks someone is turning the knob.  Happens on the gain, eq, compressor and gate.  Only seems to happen after you touch one of the knobs, if you never touch the knobs and use the trackball it doesn't seem to happen.  Any thoughts?

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    • Blink180stu
      Ishai

      Yes, was warned about it by a sound company that owns a number of PRO consoles. Suggest to contact Midas and send them Log Files.


      Ishai

      • December 7, 2019
    • Blink180stu
      ChaseMcKnight

      We call that "ghosting". This likely means the physical encoders will need replacing. Please fill out the support form and get in touch with our service team and they can assist. 

      • December 9, 2019
    • Blink180stu
      zigson

      I had this issue on some encoders of my Pro-1 (espacially on eq-encoders)


      the Midas-SAV replaced the whole encoder card/pannel without any costs (under waranty)


      now, all is fine !!

      • December 27, 2019
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