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  • SonicWave
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-01-19

    Hello Tribers,

    I see in Routing where my mix bus feeds are assigned to Analog Outputs.  But, I am not seeing where the 16 Analog Outputs are routed to Main L/R.  The only two physical XLR out feeds are the L/R on outputs 15/16.  All the other mix buses find their way to Main L/R but I cannot figure out where that is configured.

    Thanks!

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    • SonicWave
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @SonicWave 


      Check the XLR Out screen (for Out 9-16 assignment) if you have the Main LR connected to the back of the M32. If you are using a stagebox to make these connections, check the AES50 screen.


       

      • January 19, 2020
    • SonicWave
      SonicWave

      I should be more clear.


      Currently, all my Mix Buses somehow end up in the main mix.   I did not configure that but each of my mix buses (with the exception of ones going to XLR 15 and 16) all end up in the main FOH mix. 


      @Paul_Vannatto   are you saying those are assigned in blocks of 8 in the XLR Out tab?  If so, I am super confused.


       


       


       

      • January 19, 2020
    • SonicWave
      Paul_Vannatto


      @SonicWave wrote:


      I should be more clear.


      Currently, all my Mix Buses somehow end up in the main mix.   I did not configure that but each of my mix buses (with the exception of ones going to XLR 15 and 16) all end up in the main FOH mix. 


      @Paul_Vannatto   are you saying those are assigned in blocks of 8 in the XLR Out tab?  If so, I am super confused.





      If that is the case, it wasn't evident in your first post. If you have your mixbuses going to Main LR, and you don't want that, select each mixbus master fader, then select the Main screen and disable the LR. 


       

      • January 19, 2020
    • SonicWave
      SonicWave

      I am happy that my Mix Buses are going to the Main output but I am confused how they are getting there.


      I understand the routing from mix bus to analog out. My question is how is the analog out is getting to L/R.


      MixBus-1 -> AnalogOut-1 -> Main L/R


      Where is that routing configured?   The only physical outputs from the board are two XLR for L/R and two XLR for monitor mixes.  My IEM's use CAT 5.


      Thanks!

      • January 19, 2020
    • SonicWave
      DaveMorrison

      @SonicWave 


      Screen Shot 2020-01-19 at 6.00.32 PM.png


      This is the button that Paul is talking about.

      • January 19, 2020
  • kozmosound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    I am attempting to use an M32r at FOH and an X32 as a stage box. I get everything to connect.  All the green boxes are showing.  However, all I can seem to achieve is for the VU meters on the M32r to show what is on the X32 and nothing more.  If I change the name of a track on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  If i adjust the fader on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  Or vice versa.  Any insight into this and what I may be missing would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 

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    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett

      @kozmosound 


      Hi Kozmo, welcome to the community.


      It sounds like a problem with configuration or routing. Usually you would route all the local inputs on the X32 (stagebox) to AES50-A and connect this to the FOH AES50-A. Then set the FOH Inputs routing to the same AES50-A blocks to get the inputs from the X32.


      The X32 pre-amp gains affect the signal going to the FOH but the X32 channel controls would normally only be used for local monitor mixes.


       


      If you explain how you would like your system to work and where you want to connect the inputs and outputs, we can help you with the configuration. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 





      @kozmosound 


      On the X32, set the routing like this:


      X32 I.PNGX32 O.PNG


      On the M32R, set the routing like this:


      M32 I.PNGM32 O.PNG


      You also need to define your outputs 1-16. That would be something like this:


      M32 O 1-16.PNG


      You need to adjust this to suit your mix and possibly provide your local stereo outputs to XLR or Aux.


       


      It is probably easiest if you use the M32R Aux channels for the local inputs. These could still be through the local XLR inputs if required.


       


      If you want to be able to control the X32 pre-amps from the M32, open the X32 Setup -> Preamps page and check HA Remote AES50 Port A.


       


      Channel strip labels are local to each mixer so will not be reflected on the other device.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  





      @kozmosound 


      I'm happy to hear it is working but it cannot be due to the AES50-B routing. That is redundant in your configuration.


       


      I would run the X32 with Internal synchronization and set to M32R to AES50 A. 


       

      • May 31, 2019
  • JRita
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-04-06

    I spend all day testing the mixer Dynamic settings to emulate transient responses of particular microphones, it works to a point as a transient emulator, and can be usefull.
    EQ lines of particular microphones are very easy to transpose.
    I used impulses and pink noise to get an accurate mic image, next I tested the best settings I could achieve with the Gate, Comp, Low Cut and EQ, and the result is very interesting and similar to the original mic, some better, others worse.
    I could achieve better results by using a transient designer on the FX section, but I don't want to use an FX slot for this purpose, to have the freedom to mix with all effects available, and without limits for channel use to mic modeling load.

    Pros:
    It is easy to store and very quick and easy to load Mic Model settings, even from a USB pen.
    It provides interesting EQ and Dynamic settings from popular mics
    Low Cut can be adjusted to work as the real mic
    It is possible to load on diferent channels the same profile of an expensive mic
    By reversing the gain settings of EQ bands it is possible to flatten the original mic source, for example by pluging a SM57, then loading a SM57 profile, next reversing the EQ curve it is possible (to a point) to get a flat signal from the source.
    It can be usefull for decisions of what mic to purchase by experimenting with different instruments, vocals etc.

    Problems:
    It uses channel dynamics and EQ section; but it can be changed anyway, or use FX slots for additional EQ or Dynamics.
    Proximity effect can be adjusted as the real mic behaviour but it takes an EQ band, reducing mic EQ resolution, of course proximity effect will never work real time as a mic.
    Polar patterns can be added but will never emulate room, ambient reflections, unless reverb is added.
    It can duplicate frequencies of some mics, by pluging in an D112, and using the D112 profile the mic characteristics will double.
    To work at best, the sound source must be captured as neutral as possible.

    I am working of some rare RCA mics, when I finish them I will put the profiles available for download.

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      RexBeckett

      @JRita 


      Hello José, welcome to the community.


       


      That's an interesting project. I shall look forward to seeing your finished profiles. I am reminded, though, of a saying from the world of signal processing: There are no adjustments that can make a donkey perform like a race-horse. 

      • April 6, 2020
    • JRita
      JRita

      I've finished 3 models for testing.
      Two classic mics: RCA 44, AKG C12; and the common Shure SM57.


      I'm very happy with the results, after extensive testing, they sounded not exactly the same, but very close and definitly have the same frequency spectrum.
      The transient response is very difficult to emulate, and it is very far from the original, but it is as close as I could get, and it certainly defines more character and realism to the profiles.


      How to use:
      Download the Zip, extract it to a USB pen.
      You should have a Microphone folder with 3 profiles inside.
      Plug the USB pen to your X32/M32
      Press Library, Utility, USB Drive Import, select (Microphones) Folder, Press All, Import; profiles are now loaded.
      (CAUTION It will erase your own Library profiles)


      How it works:
      Press Library, you should see the 3 profiles on the channel tab.
      Press SELect on the channel you want to load the mic profile, and press Load Preset. You can load to various channels very fast by pressing Sel and then Load.
      VERY IMPORTANT - Adjust you signal level input to -18dB for optimal performance.
      Low Cut - Simulates the original mic Low Cut switch, if it is not present it wont do anything.
      Gate & Comp simulate the mic transient response, you can turn it off or adjust it to you taste.
      EQ - Press LOW and adjust the LOW GAIN to simulate the Proximity Effect, it reacts as the real mic, default is as far as possible with no proximity effect. The rest of the EQ settings simulate the mic frequency response.


      Trick - To neutralize the mic frequencies of a real mic plugged in in order to get an aproximate flat response, reverse the image of EQ settings.(Change + to - and vice versa of every setting). You will have to choose the same profile of the mic your connecting.

      ANOTHER TRICK -  try to use this as a master stereo EQ, very nice results as if the whole image is captured by a stereo pair.

      Microphones Test.zip
      • April 8, 2020
  • SonicWave
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-19

    I am seeing unusual behaviour on my M32 running firmware 3.09.

     

    When I load a scene, make modifications, and try to save it as a new scene, it brings along the name and notes from the originally loaded scene.  This was not the case for the past 8 months and I am unsure how to reset the behaviour.  It requires that I now backspace and change the name and notes.  Not very efficient and prone to error by having multiple scenes with the same name.

     

    I plan to upgrade to firmware 3.11 this week but nothing about scenes is mentioned in the release notes and the behavior is not what is used to be.

     

    Thoughts?

     

    Skye

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    • SonicWave
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Skye @SonicWave,


       


      Welcome to the forum. Are you by chance seeing this issue when saving on the console itself? I haven't done it that way for some time, since I use M32-Edit most of the time. The console scene naming interface has got to be "worse case scenario" IMO.


       

      • May 19, 2019
    • SonicWave
      SonicWave

      Yes, on the console itself.  I can normally make a save quickly when the console behaves.


       


      Is there a place I can open a ticket for this as it is clearly a bug?  I never encountered it until about a month ago.


       


      Skye

      • May 19, 2019
    • SonicWave
      SonicWave

      Is this the correct place to discuss the M32?  It seems awfully quiet...

      • May 21, 2019
    • SonicWave
      Ssgrumman

      Good afternoon,


       


      What seems to be happening with the scenes? If you could describe in some detail plz.


       


      Sam

      • May 22, 2019
    • SonicWave
      Ssgrumman

      I had the same problem. Well, it’s more of a inconvenience. Any scene, before 3.09, would bring all the notes, stuff with it. Now, in 3.09, which had a couple of bug fixes, it also was the new design for X-Live. 3.11 would be a real smart direction to go. Since all 4 of my console are already on 3.11, I’m not sure if the, lets call them “unusual scenes”, will act the same, I've never tested it. 


       


      Sam


       

      • May 22, 2019
  • RalphHopstaken
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-03-11

    I was curious if it is possible to use a Lan power injector to supply power into the AES50 to the DP48. I did use it with the P16 and that worked perfectly.

    it wil be used to put the original DP48 power supply in the flightcase where all the monitor stuff is in and only use the cat5 aes50 to the DP48

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    • RalphHopstaken
      GaryHiggins

      @RalphHopstaken 


      Hello, I can't answer your question but was curious as to which injector you used for p16? I had toyed with this idea but never tried any.

      • March 10, 2020
    • RalphHopstaken
      RexBeckett

      @RalphHopstaken 


      According to the specifications, the DP48 PoE conforms to IEEE802.3af so it should run from an injector that meets the same standard.


      DP48.PNG

      • March 10, 2020
    • RalphHopstaken
      RalphHopstaken

      @GaryHiggins  you can use every power injector as long it has the same power input connector live the original power supply from the p16. I use something like on the picture below


       


      poe power injector.jpg


       


       

      • March 11, 2020
    • RalphHopstaken
      Paul_Vannatto

      @RalphHopstaken I would not recommend using a POE injector as shown for the DP48, since it would require the removal of the ethercon shells from the ends of the AES50 cables. 

      • March 11, 2020
    • RalphHopstaken
      RalphHopstaken

      @Paul_Vannatto you can't use that power injector for the PD48 because those are only 100mbit/sec but for the P16 they work great. for what you sy about the shield insite the m32 or DP48 the schield ends on the shassis so after that there is no connectionif you use cat 6 there is enough shielding and i use only max 10 meter of cable and only to one DP48

      • March 13, 2020
  • New
    zigson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-12-05

    Hello
    there is an important bug in Firmware V4.03 and V4.04 when using an extension card DN-32-WSG; the sound saturates and the gain is changed...

    in fact the thing is not more usable !!!!!
    no problem in V4.02 (I just returned to that Firmware and have no more worries )

    so I hope they will fix it as soon as possile !
    thanks and cheers

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    • zigson
      Paul_Vannatto I don't have that card to validate. But I have reported this issue to the beta testers team.
      • December 5, 2020
    • zigson
      zigson Thanks Paul
      I forgot to specify : the the card is running under SG Firmware V9; as I use it with MultiRack-Soundgrid (which is not compatible with SG V11 software)
      but as I said : all is fine until Midas software V4.02….. the two software who came after were bugged ! and its a heavy bug so that the card becomes completely useless (=distortions and artefacts !!)
      • December 5, 2020
    • zigson
      zigson Hello
      are there some news about this important bug out there ?? for most of the postings on this Forum I see MusicTribe-People responding; but no official answer to my post here!
      this is an important bug and the DN32-WSG-card is no more usable with Console-Firmware V4.3 and V4.4….
      something happened in the code between Firmware V4.2 and 4.3 that makes the card unusable
      when does Musictribe fix that ugly bug ?? are the users condemned to stay with console Firmware 4.2 ???
      (note: I use the card with Driver V9 and Waves MultiRack-SG V9.80; but same bug again also with Waves SoundGrid-Studio and SoundGrid Driver !! )
      • Jan 8
    • zigson
      florianherm Hey, I am having a similar problem by using the X-WSG card. We are getting some serious clicks and cracks from our Waves Card Channels. Its really messed up. We had to downgrade the X32. Would also be cool to have some older firmware versions available on the Behringer website :D

      Please give us a status update on fixing that bug :)
      • Jan 13
    • zigson
      zigson hello all there
      I have some marvelous news; Musictribe seems not to be willing to answer, I finally contacted directly Waves and they answered instantly and gave me the right solution :

      Here is what the Waves Support-Team wrote to me :
      >>>>>>>
      We are aware of this issue and this is not a bug but a compatibility issue between the new firmware of the console and V9 SoundGrid applications.
      As an alternative you can consider switching to SuperRack application, which works fine with the new firmware.
      Let me know if any further information or assistance is required.

      which means : spend another 600 bugs and you’ll be fine !!!
      its just a shame !! and its sad, sad, sad…..
      • Jan 13
  • tnguyen5166
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-01-16
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    • tnguyen5166
      RexBeckett

      @tnguyen5166 


      Hello Tam, welcome to the community.


       


      Firmware V4.00 has many problems. V4.01 fixes some of them but is still flawed. V4.02 is expected shortly. I suggest you re-install V3.12 until it is available. Use this method: copy the firmware file, on its own, to the root folder of a USB stick. Connect this to the console and hold in the USB button while turning on the power switch.


       


      You can download V3.12 firmware from the M32 downloads page  if you check the Show Legacy Versions option.


       

      • January 16, 2020
    • tnguyen5166
      DaveFletcher

      Would you be so kind as to put version 3.12? back on the available firmware list. I'd dance at your next wedding!


       


      Dave

      • January 16, 2020
    • tnguyen5166
      RexBeckett


      @DaveFletcher wrote:


      Would you be so kind as to put version 3.12? back on the available firmware list. I'd dance at your next wedding!


       


      Dave





      @DaveFletcher 


      Hi Dave, welcome to the community.


       


      Do you not see it on the M32 downloads page or X32 downloads page if you check the Show Legacy Versions option?

      • January 16, 2020
    • tnguyen5166
      Paul_Vannatto


      @RexBeckett wrote:






      Do you not see it at the bottom of the list on the downloads page if you check the Show Legacy Versions option?





      That is the X32 firmware. The M32 firmware is a bit different. 


      @DaveFletcher What exactly is the issue with the USB drive? It is working fine on my X32 Rack and the church's X32? Are you certain it isn't a routing issue?


       

      • January 16, 2020
    • tnguyen5166
      RexBeckett


      @Paul_Vannatto wrote:




      @RexBeckett wrote:






      Do you not see it at the bottom of the list on the downloads page if you check the Show Legacy Versions option?





      That is the X32 firmware. The M32 firmware is a bit different. 



      @tnguyen5166 @DaveFletcher @Paul_Vannatto 


      A slip of the mind, Paul. Thanks for pointing that out. The M32 downloads page is here and also has V3.12 if you check the Show Legacy Versions option.


       


      Robert, when you update the console firmware, it sets some of the global settings to default - including the sample rate. If your problem is with playing wav files from the USB, check the console sample rate matches that used for the recorded tracks.

      • January 16, 2020
  • staceyhainey
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-07

    Just a general question,,,,

    My band just purchased an M32C with the DL32, and PM16’s for monitoring 

    i split the vocal, and instruments into mix busses, and sent the busses to ultra net, but it seems like we aren’t getting the full signal (some busses seem absent on the pm16)   We do have something that kind of works, but there’s gotta be a better way 

    will post a screen shot of the routing pages

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    • staceyhainey
      RexBeckett


      @staceyhainey wrote:


      Just a general question,,,,


      My band just purchased an M32C with the DL32, and PM16’s for monitoring 


      i split the vocal, and instruments into mix busses, and sent the busses to ultra net, but it seems like we aren’t getting the full signal (some busses seem absent on the pm16)   We do have something that kind of works, but there’s gotta be a better way  


      will post a screen shot of the routing pages





      @staceyhainey 


      Where are you connecting the P16Ms - to the M32C or the DL32? If the DL32, you need to open Routing -> AES50 A/B and select AES50-A 33-40 = Ultranet 1-8 and  AES50-A 41-48 = Ultranet 9-16. This will send the 16 Ultranet outputs to the DL32 on AES50-A 33-48 which are routed to the P16 socket.  


       

      • June 7, 2019
  • NelsonVega
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-23

    when trying to update pro2. this error appears. Which may be? error #52 - Failed security check ... thanksWhatsApp Image 2019-07-22 at 13.21.02.jpeg

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    • NelsonVega
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @NelsonVega 

      Typically this is due to a corrupt firmware, likely it just downloaded incorrectly. Try downloading the update file again from the website and if you can connect to the internet via landline, even better. 

      Re-format your USB drive (FAT or FAT32) and create a folder '  DL2Upgrades ' - then place the unzipped .tar file in the folder and try upgrading the console firmware again. 

      Let me know if you have any other issues.

      • July 25, 2019
  • DavidStackhouse
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-08-22

    Hello... I had heard/read that connection from the M Air app to the MR-18 via external router is more reliable than via its internal router, so I bought an external router - a Linksys EA8300.

    First, just to be thorough, I tested it conventionally with my Xfinity internet router, found that the Linksys router functions as intended, and updated its firmware. Then I plugged it into the ethernet jack on the MR-18 and set its Remote switch to Ethernet.

    I set my Android device to connect to the Linksys router wifi, which it does, and says "Connected, no internet" (which makes sense).

    I open the M Air app, and the connection window appears. Strangely, in the lower left it says...
    "Wifi connected to <unknown ssid>
    1.0.3"
    Then, whether I touch Search or Connect, either way the window that appears says...
    "Searching...
    Wifi connected to <unknown ssid>"
    ...but never connects.

    I've tinkered with the IP address, and also with the Wifi lock, but still with no success.

    One thing of note: Apparently, both the MR18 and the Linksys router assign themselves by default the IP address 192.168.1.1. I don't know if that's the issue, but I don't know how to change that for one or the other.

    Bottom line... can anyone help me get this external router working right? If not, do I really even need it? So far the MR-18's internal router has worked just fine. Thanks for your help.

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    • DavidStackhouse
      GaryHiggins You need to make your XR18 settings for the ethernet (or wifi) while you are still actually connected via the built in router. Once saved you can then put the switch in the ethernet position and connect via the direct connection. Settings otherwise do not get saved.
      • August 22, 2020
      • M Air app not connecting to MR-18 via external router
        DavidStackhouse Thanks for replying, Gary.... and what exactly would this settings be, and in what screens? Thanks much...
        • August 22, 2020
      • M Air app not connecting to MR-18 via external router
        GaryHiggins Setup/network pages in M-Air
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        • August 22, 2020
    • DavidStackhouse
      GaryHiggins I might try a static ip, try something like 192.168.1.18 for ip, use 255.255.255.0 for mask and use the router ip for gateway 192.168.1.1 or leave gateway blank. There are other options if that’s a no go. Maybe dhcp next.
      • August 22, 2020
    • DavidStackhouse
      john0121 Hi David, You can find the detailed steps of connecting with an external router in the following FAQ:

      https://musictribecommunity.powerappsportals.com/en-us/knowledgebase/article/6886
      • August 24, 2020
    • DavidStackhouse
      DavidStackhouse Thanks, Gary and John... I'll give it a try!
      • August 24, 2020
    • DavidStackhouse
      DavidStackhouse Gary and John, I finally got around to trying your suggestions, but still have no connection via this router.

      I know the router works, because I tested it with our home network before trying to use it with the MR-18.

      I connected the same cable as I used during that test from the Ethernet port on the MR-18 to the Internet port on the external router. The remote switch on the MR-18 is set to the left for Ethernet.

      I have named the external router network "StackLinksys". The attached picture is of the screen of my Android tablet, showing I am successfully connected to the external router via wifi. (Available networks listed are obviously other networks in range, like my home network and my next door neighbors.)

      But, having tried all the methods you suggested, the M Air app still does not see the MR-18 via the external router and thus cannot connect as such. If I switch the MR-18 to Access Point, my tablet sees and connects to it just fine without the help of the external router, just as it always has.

      Have you any more thoughts and suggestions on how to get this external router working?

      But really, what's the point? What am I gaining by getting this external router working, other than putting another piece of equipment into the signal chain that could potentially fail when I need it most?

      Thanks again for all your help. Quite frustrated...   - DS.
      • August 29, 2020
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