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  • CayeTorres
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-24

    Hi everyone! I have a problem with which I am not able to move forward. I have a Midas M32 as a FOH console and a DL32 stage box. Recently I bought the M32C console to use as a monitor console. The connectivity process says that if I want the master console to be the M32 of foh, internal synchronization must be selected. This console enters the aes50 A port of the stage and the M32C enters the aes50B port of the stage. The routings are done as Midas indicates in the video that I leave below, but my main problem is that I can not modify anything or gain or, eqs ... Come on, that the M32C ignores me. Could someone help me with this? Thank you very much in advance!

    https://youtu.be/JujdVMtQ1hs

    sorry for my english!

     

     

     

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    • CayeTorres
      RexBeckett

      @CayeTorres 


      Hi Cayetano, welcome to the community.


       


      Only the console connected to AES50 port A of the DL32 can adjust the preamp gains and select phantom power. The console connected to DL32 AES50-B port has +-18dB of digital trim on each of the inputs. With the exception of the preamp gains, both consoles can process the inputs as required with EQ and dynamics.

      • December 24, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      CayeTorres

      Rex, thank you very much for your response. I really didn't know that the gains were only controlled by the console that enters through the aes50a port of the DL32. But my problem is that when I try to change an eq to a channel, or a gate, or a compression from the iPad (which is how I operate the M32c) it ignores me. And another thing I have doubts about is the following: ¿Do I have to load a show or scenes through the USB input of the M32C or with the internal synchronization selected from the M32 should the same scene appear on the iPad?   Hopefully together we can find the solution. thanks and sorry again for my english!

      • December 24, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      RexBeckett


      @CayeTorres wrote:


      Rex, thank you very much for your response. I really didn't know that the gains were only controlled by the console that enters through the aes50a port of the DL32. But my problem is that when I try to change an eq to a channel, or a gate, or a compression from the iPad (which is how I operate the M32c) it ignores me. And another thing I have doubts about is the following: ¿Do I have to load a show or scenes through the USB input of the M32C or with the internal synchronization selected from the M32 should the same scene appear on the iPad?   Hopefully together we can find the solution. thanks and sorry again for my english!





      @CayeTorres 


      Do you have any control of the M32C from your iPad? There have been some recently reported problems with compatibility issues between the M32 app and iOS versions. I believe channel settings were affected.


       


      With your system configuration, there is no communication between the two consoles except that the FOH console provides the master sync to the M32C through the DL32. Each console will have its own settings. When you load a scene on the M32C, the settings should show on the app if the iPad is correctly connected to the console's network port.


       


      If you want to use the M32C as a monitor console and send the mixes to the DL32 outputs, your current configuration will not work - only the FOH M32 can send to the DL32 outputs. Instead you need to configure the system as:


       


      M32 AES50-B <--> AES50-A M32C AES50-B <--> AES50-A DL32 


       


      The M32C will, by default, have full control of the DL32 preamps and can send to the DL32 outputs. The M32C will route all the DL32 inputs to the M32 and can, if required, route outputs from the M32 to the DL32. We can help you with the routing if you tell us how you want the inputs and outputs arranged. 

      • December 24, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      CayeTorres

      @RexBeckett @GaryHiggins 


      Thank you very much for your help. I will try to connect everything this way then M32 AES50-B <--> AES50-A M32CAES50-B <--> AES50-A DL32 the routing would be as follows: outputs 1-8 for in ears, out 14 sub, out 15 L out 16 R   If you need any more information I will be happy to give it to you! Thanks again!

      • December 25, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      RexBeckett


      @CayeTorres wrote:


      @RexBeckett @GaryHiggins 


      Thank you very much for your help. I will try to connect everything this way then M32 AES50-B <--> AES50-A M32CAES50-B <--> AES50-A DL32 the routing would be as follows: outputs 1-8 for in ears, out 14 sub, out 15 L out 16 R   If you need any more information I will be happy to give it to you! Thanks again!





      @CayeTorres 


      This routing assumes that you are running firmware V4.01 on the M32C. It could be done with V3.12 if necessary.


       


      All 32 M32C Inputs come from the DL32 on AES50-B:


      M32C Input RoutingM32C Input Routing


      The M32C sends all 32 inputs to the M32 over AES50-A. It also sends outputs to the DL32 using the User Out crosspoint (see later).


      M32C AES50 Routing.M32C AES50 Routing.


      The M32 takes all 32 inputs coming from M32C over AES50-B:


      M32 Input RoutingM32 Input Routing


      All 16 M32 outputs are sent to the M32C over AES50-B:


      M32 AES RoutingM32 AES Routing


      In the M32C, the User Out crosspoint is used to route local outputs 1-12 and M32 outputs 14-16 to the DL32:


      M32C User OutM32C User Out


      Let us know if you have questions or need any changes.

      • December 25, 2019
  • allesbl
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-02-10

    Hi,

    I don't know if this is the right place to report bugs, but I'll place my post here. Hopefully it will be read by someone responsible for MR18 maintenance and support.

    One month ago I bought MR18 mixer and updated the firmware to latest 1.17 version. Then during tests I found out that the unit can produce a very loud squeal on Main LR output and any Bus 1-6 output after powering it up. As I found later, it was already mentioned in this forum here:

    https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Recording/MR18-Power-On-Start-Up-Noise/td-p/185693

    and here:

    https://community.musictribe.com/t5/Recording/Loud-squeal-after-powering-up-MR18/td-p/180023

    The squeal sound from my MR18 sounds exactly the same as the one posted by Jay Haynes in the first thread.

    This was posted in 2017 and I wonder it is not fixed yet, because the mixer can become really dangerous when power is unexpectedly interrupted and then restored - not only blasting the PA loudspeakers at Main LR, but with in-ears connected to Bus 1-6 it may cause serious hearing damage!!!

    Sorry, but such behaviour of a professional, even Midas-branded product is simply unacceptable, regardless as much as the product is low-priced. Competitor products such as Mackie DL32R don't do this - on power up and after an initial silent period it simply starts to pass audio with last settings applied. No glitches,
    no pops.

    Please, don't state now "you should turn on the mixer first and speakers last". Although this is of course fully true, in a real life with real fallible people it cannot be always fulfilled under all circumstances. An unexpected short power dropout with MR18 is enough to cause big problems, e.g. someone pulls out by mistake the power cord from the socket and then puts it back again.

    Workaround with "Mute at power on" setup option is insufficient. It relies on a user action and therefore is not always guaranteed, despite the sentence in manual "Engage the 'Mute at Power On' to avoid pops during start up." Not to mention, there is no hint of how loud the MR18 "pops" can be. Under "pops" I understand loud but very short signal bursts which can be unpleasant, but mostly not destructive. However, the mixer produces maybe 0.5 sec long squeal signal with wide spectrum and full scale amplitude which totally overdrives anything connected to the outputs.
    Often it could be also required that the device resumes operation after power cycling with last settings applied and without any user intervention. In this case "Mute at power on" option cannot be used.

    Nevertheless, not only to complain, but to be a bit constructive too - with my MR18 I could observe following behaviour:

    - the squeal sound comes from any input channel (1-16, line 17-18) to any Bus 1-6 and/or Main LR output when channel bus sends and/or channel fader are turned up. Bus and main masters are set permanently to 0dB. Squeal to buses comes from all possible tap point selections.

    - the squeal sound comes only from input channels which have a physical input patched. If the channel is not patched (OFF in the routing table) or USB is selected as source, then the squeal sound doesn't appear. Also effect returns don't produce squeal sound, supposed effect sends on all inputs are all the way turned down.

    - the squeal sound doesn't come out of Phones output. There seems to be some automatic muting during power up - phones output is quiet until the squeal on main/bus outputs fades away and then starts to play normally.

    So this would definitely point to an issue with A/D converters / preamps during initialization.

    Such kind of issue can be for sure fixed by a firmware update. If the root cause cannot be solved easily, please apply to all outputs at least automatic muting immediately on boot up, as a first step of the initialization sequence, and automatic unmuting just only after the initialization has been completed and the squeal already faded away. Automatic unmute would take place conditionally depending on the "Mute at power on" setting: TRUE = leave outputs muted until user intervention (same as now), FALSE = unmute automatically after squeal is gone.
    Or maybe a different approach: temporarily reset the routing table at startup so that all channels are not patched and restore it only just after the A/D and preamps have settled properly.
    Adding such relatively simple functionality to next firmware update may well improve the user experience of this - so far working good - product.

    Many thanks in advance!

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    • allesbl
      GaryHiggins

      @allesbl In setup, audio/midi "mute output at power cycle" needs to have a check mark in the box.


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      • February 10, 2020
    • allesbl
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Ales @allesbl 


      Welcome to the forum. I can assure you that this "squeal" is not due to a bug in the firmware, or it would be happening to many of us users. As far as I remember, those 2 threads were the only reports of this issue, and we were unable to replicate the problem ourselves. If you notice that in both cases, the user(s) did not provide a scene file for us to check. I would suggest that you export your scene to a file (using M-Air-Edit for PC, Mac or linux) and attach it to your next post (Choose File below). Then we can have a look and see if we can determine the source of the squeal.


       

      • February 10, 2020
    • allesbl
      allesbl

      Hi Paul,


      thank you for welcome and your quick reaction. Enclosed you can find a .scn file with the setting which produces the squeal on my MR18. Basically, it is a factory default routing with my personal EQ, gate and compressor settings for a small band as a start point for sound check. Channel 14 has the fader and bus sends turned up which is the path for "squeal" to all outputs. If you load this scene into the mixer, wait some time to store it into inernal memory, switch the mixer off and then switch it on back again, you should get the "squeal" on all bus/main outputs during startup - providing that "mute at power on" is not set, I don't know if this is stored in the scene too. If you unpatch the channel 14 to OFF or set the source to USB, then the disturbing sound will not come at next startup. If you repeat this settings on any other input channel 1-16, 17-18, you should get the same result at next power up.


      My unit has serial number S190700210C8H. From my point of view this is definitely a bug. I discovered it randomly, because I'm used to test everything properly before real use, including such "abnormal operation" like power cycling with open loudspeakers and in-ears. Hopefully the attached file will help you to replicate the squeal sound at startup.


       

      ch14-patched-in14_squeal.scn
      • February 10, 2020
    • allesbl
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Ales @allesbl ,


      Thanks for the scene file. I was able to replicate the issue and that was definitely not a squeal. It was more like a synthesizer noise. To be honest, that is the very first time I've heard that come out of the MR18 (or XR18 or X32) in all the years (and many events) that I've done sound with these digital mixers. Granted the norm is to hook everything up, turn on the console, then go around and turn on all of the powered speakers (and do the opposite at the end of the event). But occasionally I do find a powered speaker already on (because someone forgot to turn it off at teardown of last event). 


       


      I do have to admit that you did indeed find a bug. But you have to understand that since no one has provided a scene file to replicate it, it was very difficult to investigate the "bug". Add to that, the  majority of issues we encounter here on the forum are user setting related. We did have a similar scenario with a user with a bizarre EQ settings (on the GEQ) on his X32. With his scene file we were able to replicate it and I sent it off to the developers - and they found the bug. 


       


      I did load one of my good known scenes over top of yours and tried it and got a similar noise. So I initialized the console, then loaded my good known scene and there was a minor pop (expected when you have the powered speaker on before turning on the console), but did not get your (weird) noise. So it is definitely a combination of settings in your scene that is producing this output.


       


      I will inform the developers of this and link your explanation and scene file for an investigation.


       

      • February 10, 2020
  • Daanderson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-10

    Hi guys, 
    so I have an m32c and building up a rack rig to use as a Monitor/FOH split rig. I still need to do more research but looking for opinions on what stagebox I need that will give me the most flexible options. I've been looking into the pro series stageboxes but the I/O s are confusing and it's a bit overwhelming with the options. Looking at maybe 2 DL 153s and a DL231? If I was running a Pro 1 with the m32c? Is that enough channels? Or would I need something different? 

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      GaryHiggins

      @Daanderson You would need to confirm the Pro level "blue" stagebox versions you choose can operate at 48K. Many do but not all as I recall. The DL32 and DL16 boxes would be better with the M32C imo if you want to stay Midas and Midas Pro level mic pre's. They are more or less meant for each other. You can also daisy chain via aes50 with them. With a 'Blue' pro level stagebox, even though they have the extra aes50 ports you can't. The ports are there for redundancy, should one fail the other keeps on going (which won't apply with the M32C anyway) So if you have one Blue stagebox that works at 48k on aes50a, that's it for that port regardless of ch count. Yes you still can use aes50b if need be but daisy chaining can be an issue with those boxes and of that you should be aware.


       


      Also any of the Behringer versions will work with the M32C. The SD8/16 or the S16/S32. If you are primarily using this at shows as opposed to a studio setup, I would suggest using multiple small boxes like 2 DL16's instead of 1 DL32. Or 2 DL16's and one or 2 SD8's. This allows the stageboxes to be placed on the stage more aligned with what plugs in there. An Sd8 for drums or keys, DL16 for stage L and R etc. Just my opinion.


       


      How you get any of these to the FOH is another whole story to consider. Some plan to split the ch's so the FOH can be independent of your monitor rig needs consideration. One case for the DL32/S32 as a stagebox is the way it operates (unlike other stageboxes). It allows 2 mixers to access the full 32 mic pre's via its aes50A and B ports. So any venue that had an M32 X32 or WING at FOH you could forget bringing any other splitter devices.

      • December 10, 2019
    • Daanderson
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @Daanderson 

      As @GaryHiggins pointed out - the "Blue" stage boxes, i.e. DL15x, DL25x, DL231 are able to operate at 48kHz but you're limited on the amount of devices you can connect as these units cannot daisy-chain like the DL16 + DL32. 

      You mentioned interest in the DL231. This would be a great option, especially if you're using a Pro1. Because it features asynchronous clocking, you'd be able connect the Pro1 (96kHz) to one side of the DL231 and the M32C (48kHz) to the other. If you went with DL153, for example, you'd also need to integrate a DN9650 w/ KT-AES50 card for the two consoles to communicate digitally. 

      • December 10, 2019
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-30

    Hello all.  Working with a new M32 in our church.

    We have a pretty good handle on scenes, snippets and library entries.

    But how about things like mixer settings under Setup and the Assign sections.  How can these settings be recorded in case somebody really mucks things up?

    Thx in advance.
    Dwayne A

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      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Dwayne @DwayneAasberg,


      The assign settings are included in the scenes (lines 23-30). For the global settings, I thought Patrick had made a tool to backup and restore these settings. But looking on his website, I don't see it. You can backup these settings using Live Toolbox, MX Terminal, or LT_Command. 


       


      To save the settings you would use he following tidbit commands (or create a tidbit file):


      Store 1


      Store 1 allconfig


      Recall 1 tid "M32 Global Settings.tid"


       


      To restore these settings, use the following tidbit command


      Launch tid "M32 Global Settings.tid"


       

      • June 30, 2019
    • DwayneAasberg
      DwayneAasberg

      Good morning Paul and happy Canada Day.


      Okay.  Assigns are included in scenes.  Good to know.


      Since I don't see a way to manipulate them with snippets on the board I assume the only way copy assigns from one scene to another is with an off-board script editor.  Correct?


      I will download the other tools you mention to capture and save the global settings.


      Thx again for your help.
      D

      • June 30, 2019
  • bbongbass
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2019-12-31

    Hello
    Thank you for reading.
    We are using the Midas Pro 9 console. Sometimes we use multiple microphones to perform a performance, but you have to control the mute according to the situation.
    So I want to know the Midi message of the Mute button on each track of the Pro 9 console.

    thank you.

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      GaryHiggins

      I would hope that with such a fine mixer of great capabilities, you would often use multiple mics!  Wish I had the midi answer, but happy new year anyway!

      • December 31, 2019
    • bbongbass
      BillHood

      Not sure if it's the same, but I did find a document that listed the Behringer Midi CC Values (which I can't seem to find again right now) that listed the Mute values as Midi Channel 2, then the CC value went from 0 (or 1?) being Mixer Channel 1 sequentially up thru the DCA's. The ones I use, for example, are Bus 16 is CC 63,  and DCA 2 is CC 73.


      Standard ; 127 is On, 0 is off. Hope maybe that helps.  They sure don't make it easy to find info, tho.  I just found out I could use Midi Channel 7 to control my XLive card - haven't seen that one anywhere else either.

      • January 1, 2020
    • bbongbass
      PatrickGMaillot All available there: https://sites.google.com/site/patrickmaillot/docs/X32-OSC.pdf, including MIDI (starting at p 134)
      • January 5, 2020
    • bbongbass
      KevinMaxwell

      This all assumes that the Midas Pro series consoles have the same Midi Implementation as the X32/M32. Do They?

      • January 6, 2020
    • bbongbass
      PatrickGMaillot Sure hope so! All SW would be the same but not the MIDI implementation? This wouldn't make sense to me. -Patrick
      • January 6, 2020
  • New
    zigson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-12-05

    Hello
    there is an important bug in Firmware V4.03 and V4.04 when using an extension card DN-32-WSG; the sound saturates and the gain is changed...

    in fact the thing is not more usable !!!!!
    no problem in V4.02 (I just returned to that Firmware and have no more worries )

    so I hope they will fix it as soon as possile !
    thanks and cheers

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      Paul_Vannatto I don't have that card to validate. But I have reported this issue to the beta testers team.
      • December 5, 2020
    • zigson
      zigson Thanks Paul
      I forgot to specify : the the card is running under SG Firmware V9; as I use it with MultiRack-Soundgrid (which is not compatible with SG V11 software)
      but as I said : all is fine until Midas software V4.02….. the two software who came after were bugged ! and its a heavy bug so that the card becomes completely useless (=distortions and artefacts !!)
      • December 5, 2020
    • zigson
      zigson Hello
      are there some news about this important bug out there ?? for most of the postings on this Forum I see MusicTribe-People responding; but no official answer to my post here!
      this is an important bug and the DN32-WSG-card is no more usable with Console-Firmware V4.3 and V4.4….
      something happened in the code between Firmware V4.2 and 4.3 that makes the card unusable
      when does Musictribe fix that ugly bug ?? are the users condemned to stay with console Firmware 4.2 ???
      (note: I use the card with Driver V9 and Waves MultiRack-SG V9.80; but same bug again also with Waves SoundGrid-Studio and SoundGrid Driver !! )
      • Jan 8
    • zigson
      florianherm Hey, I am having a similar problem by using the X-WSG card. We are getting some serious clicks and cracks from our Waves Card Channels. Its really messed up. We had to downgrade the X32. Would also be cool to have some older firmware versions available on the Behringer website :D

      Please give us a status update on fixing that bug :)
      • Jan 13
    • zigson
      zigson hello all there
      I have some marvelous news; Musictribe seems not to be willing to answer, I finally contacted directly Waves and they answered instantly and gave me the right solution :

      Here is what the Waves Support-Team wrote to me :
      >>>>>>>
      We are aware of this issue and this is not a bug but a compatibility issue between the new firmware of the console and V9 SoundGrid applications.
      As an alternative you can consider switching to SuperRack application, which works fine with the new firmware.
      Let me know if any further information or assistance is required.

      which means : spend another 600 bugs and you’ll be fine !!!
      its just a shame !! and its sad, sad, sad…..
      • Jan 13
  • mmisound
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-09-25

    I have the m32ip and i was wondering if i can put the DN ex card in this mixer.since thats the only difference the m32 live

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      RexBeckett

      @mmisound 


      Hello Michael, welcome to the community.


       


      Do you mean the DN32-Live card? You can use this to replace the current expansion card provided you upgrade the console firmware to the latest version.

      • September 25, 2019
    • mmisound
      mmisound

      Thank you very much. and is that the only difference between the m32ip and m3 live?

      • September 25, 2019
  • mahdi95
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-12-28

    Hi,

    does midas pro1 rta on every input channel?

    my software is G3.4.6 and I haven't RTA in PEQ input channel graph.

    if anyone know how to activate rta please notify me.

     

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      zigson

      Hello


      in the FX-Rack of the analyser you'll find 2 buttons called CHANNEL and SOLO


      if you activate one of these buttons you will have the RTA overlaied to the P-EQ individuel view in the GUI.... (when soloing or selecting a given channel)

      • December 27, 2019
    • mahdi95
      ww-audio

      Hi zigson


      Go to the rta and press the button follow channel (or something like that)


      I had to do it today after full reset.


      Cheers Werner

      • December 28, 2019
    • mahdi95
      zigson

      hello Werner
      it was not me that posted the question ! I posted the solution (as you did as well)
      it was mahdi95 who posted initially that question !!

      • December 31, 2019
  • lysterj
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-02-03

    I'm not sure where to report it, so I'll try here - I've found a bug (pretty dramatically, during a show) in firmware 4.02.  

    Using the new block User Input patch in 4.02, and a channel safed, head amp gain is not retained during a scene recall.  All other channel parameters appear to correctly retain their values.  I've tried changing scenes with input patch set to Local, and AES50, and the channel safe behaves as expected (input gain stays put).  But with User Input patches, gain is not sticking.

    Using a DL32 head box on AES50a, if that matters.

    Hopefully it can be fixed in the next update.  

     

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  • ecarballo
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-10-28

    Hola buenas tardes quisiera que me ayudaran a recomendar una pagina web donde pueda encontrar un repuesto para MIDAS M32 el numero de parte es P0B31 o con quien me podria contactar para la compra

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    Hello, good afternoon, I would like you to help me recommend a website where I can find a spare part for MIDAS M32, the part number is P0B31 or with whom you could contact me for the purchaseREPUESTO MIDAS M32.jpegWhatsApp Image 2019-10-16 at 10.57.41 AM(1).jpegWhatsApp Image 2019-10-16 at 10.57.41 AM(2).jpegWhatsApp Image 2019-10-16 at 10.57.41 AM.jpeg

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