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  • New
    rmwestjr
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-03-11

    I am thinking about buying a Helicon VoiceLive 3 Extreme unit.  I downloaded the manual and see where I can send MIDI CC messages to the unit to turn ON/OFF various effects in the unit.

    I can see that I can specifically turn ON/OFF harmony.  I want to know if I can change the unit's harmony preset before turning ON and OFF that harmony.

    The reason I ask this is that my band uses MIDI for our rhythm and bass section.  I would like to use a MIDI channel to select a preset, control the harmony via MIDI notes on one of the MIDI tracks, and turn ON/OFF those harmonies at selected times in each song.

    Thank you in advance.

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    • rmwestjr
      PedroRodrigues Hi rmwestjr the MIDI implementation in VL3 is essentially the same as the VoiceLive 2…
      There can be up to 500 presets loaded into a VoiceLive 3, and it’s possible to navigate between these presets with an external controller sending MIDI Control Change (“CC”) and Program Change (“PC”) messages. The VoiceLive 3 can receive CC and PC messages via MIDI from sources like keyboards, footswitches, DAWs, and more. For the controlling device to send a MIDI message to VL3 it needs to be using the same MIDI channel as the VL3, typically this is channel 1 but you’re welcome to change it. Also make sure you aren’t misusing the MIDI input filters, and ensure that the MIDI input is set to be either “USB” (for the USB-mini input) or “MIDI Ports” (for the 5-pin MIDI input) depending on how you're connecting. These settings can be changed in VL3’s “Setup” menu, on the “MIDI” tab.
      *INSERT PIC OF MIDI TAB*
      To change Presets via MIDI, first tell the VL3 which Bank to look in, then tell it which Preset in that Bank you want to change to.
      Bank select: To specify the desired bank, issue an LSB Bank select message (CC#32) with a value of 0-3.
      Preset Select: After specifying the Bank, issue a PC Preset select message with a value of 0-127.
      MSB LSB VL3Bank Program Change (PC) VL3 Preset #
      0 0 0 0-127 1-128
      0 1 1 0-127 129-256
      0 2 2 0-127 257-384
      0 3 3 0-115 385-500

      The internal number associated with a Preset isn’t exactly what you see on the VL3’s screen, they’re actually all off by 1. This is because internally the list of Presets actually starts at an index of 0. This means that 0 = Preset #1, 1 = Preset #2, 2 = Preset #3, etc. It’s like your presets are saved from 0-499 but are displayed as 1-500.
      There are 4 Banks in VL3, and each Bank contains 128 Presets. Therefore the Preset selection number that goes to VL3 needs to be between 1 and 128. So for a Preset above 128, you need to subtract the number of the first Preset in the same Bank to get the MIDI Program Change info.
      The 9-digit message for changing to a preset is in the format of:
      MSB LSB PC#
      Or, you can first send a CC#32 of the Bank you’re looking in, then a PC value of the Preset you want.
      Here are some examples:
      Preset #5 would be: 5 - 1 = 4
      000 000 004
      or CC#32 value 0, then PC 4
      Preset #100 would be: 100 - 1 = 99
      000 000 099
      or CC#32 value 0, then PC 99
      Preset #208 would be: 208 - 129 = 79 (because Preset #208 is in Bank 1, which starts at Preset #129)
      000 001 079
      or CC#32 value 1, then PC 79
      Preset 259 would be: 259 - 257 = 2
      000 002 002
      or CC#32 value 2, then PC 2
      Preset 322 would be: 322 - 257 = 65
      000 002 065
      or CC#32 value 2, then PC 65
      Preset 491 would be: 491 - 385 = 106
      000 003 106
      or CC#32 value 3, then PC 106
      Preset 500 would be: 500 - 385 = 115
      000 003 115
      or CC#32 value 3, then PC 115

      When you try to address a Preset that does not exist (either an empty spot or one outside the 1-500 range), there is no built-in warning system, VL3 just won’t do anything. So if you can see the “MIDI” indication on the VL3 appearing when you send commands, but are not getting the Preset to change, ensure you’re not referencing an empty or non-existent Preset location.
      *INSERT PIC OF THE MIDI POPUP*
      If that all seems too complicated for you, consider using Steps instead of Presets. Steps are essentially Presets within a Preset, and you can have up to 10 Steps all in the same Preset. If your current Preset contains the Steps you’ll be using, it just takes a single CC message to choose your Step…
      CC 115 = Step
      Value represents Step Number, i.e. 1 = Step 1, 2 = Step 2, etc.
      So sending a CC#115 with a value of 2 will take you to the second Step in your current Preset.

      Sources:
      https://kb.musictribe.com/musickb/view/article/tch/en_US/VoiceLive-3-Selecting-Presets-and-Banks-via-MIDI-228155247
      https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/6-what-msb-lsb-refer-for-changing-banks-andprograms/
      https://forum.musictribe.com/showthread.php?14591-Midi-PRESET-Change&highlight=voicelive+preset+change+midi
      https://forum.musictribe.com/showthread.php?15866-Voice-Live-3-Set-List-Maker-on-iPAD&highlight=voicelive+preset+change+midi I hope this helps ......Thank You
      • March 14, 2021
      • Helicon VoiceLive 3 Extreme MIDI Control Question
        PetGerbil I don't know if it's a "permission" issue, and you can access it but we can't. But those links you posted don't work..(except the sweetwater one.)
        I get a "Server not found" error message.?
        • March 14, 2021
  • New
    BenjaminCleek
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-31

    I just got a voicelive 3 and it's a beast and I'm totally in love with it. My only real issues with it are ergonomic, but given the amount of features it packs, this was clearly well thought out. I use it in composing, post production and live performance environments. MIDI is a heavy part of everything I do, and I was disappointed to see the limited MIDI capabilities. I know you've discontinued it, but I really feel that this piece has the capability to capture the imagination of every electronic music producer out there......if only it had full MIDI implementation for all parameters.

    Will there ever be another firmware update? And if so, I have so much to add to that conversation ;)

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    • BenjaminCleek
      PedroRodrigues Hi Benjamin, please be aware that you can follow the link below to access the VOICELIVE 3 Manual for this unit and please check the following pages to access the full MIDI implementation
      https://www.tc-helicon.com/tchelicon/product?modelCode=P0CDY

      -Page 71 to access MIDI SYNC
      -Page 140 to access the Looping and MIDI Sync
      -Page 151 to access for MIDI TAB
      -Page 175 for MIDI CC List
      The he MIDI implementation in VL3 is essentially the same as the VoiceLive 2…There can be up to 500 presets loaded into a VoiceLive 3, and it’s possible to navigate between these presets with an external controller sending MIDI Control Change (“CC”) and Program Change (“PC”) messages.
      The VoiceLive 3 can receive CC and PC messages via MIDI from sources like keyboards, footswitches, DAWs, and more. For the controlling device to send a MIDI message to VL3 it needs to be using the same MIDI channel as the VL3, typically this is channel 1 but you’re welcome to change it. Also make sure you aren’t misusing the MIDI input filters, and ensure that the MIDI input is set to be either “USB” (for the USB-mini input) or “MIDI Ports” (for the 5-pin MIDI input) depending on how you're connecting. These settings can be changed in VL3’s “Setup” menu, on the “MIDI” tab.
      *INSERT PIC OF MIDI TAB*
      To change Presets via MIDI, first tell the VL3 which Bank to look in, then tell it which Preset in that Bank you want to change to.
      Bank select: To specify the desired bank, issue an LSB Bank select message (CC#32) with a value of 0-3.
      Preset Select: After specifying the Bank, issue a PC Preset select message with a value of 0-127.
      MSB LSB VL3Bank Program Change (PC) VL3 Preset #
      0 0 0 0-127 1-128
      0 1 1 0-127 129-256
      0 2 2 0-127 257-384
      0 3 3 0-115 385-500

      The internal number associated with a Preset isn’t exactly what you see on the VL3’s screen, they’re actually all off by 1. This is because internally the list of Presets actually starts at an index of 0. This means that 0 = Preset #1, 1 = Preset #2, 2 = Preset #3, etc. It’s like your presets are saved from 0-499 but are displayed as 1-500.
      There are 4 Banks in VL3, and each Bank contains 128 Presets. Therefore the Preset selection number that goes to VL3 needs to be between 1 and 128. So for a Preset above 128, you need to subtract the number of the first Preset in the same Bank to get the MIDI Program Change info.
      The 9-digit message for changing to a preset is in the format of:
      MSB LSB PC#
      Or, you can first send a CC#32 of the Bank you’re looking in, then a PC value of the Preset you want.
      Here are some examples:
      Preset #5 would be: 5 - 1 = 4
      000 000 004
      or CC#32 value 0, then PC 4
      Preset #100 would be: 100 - 1 = 99
      000 000 099
      or CC#32 value 0, then PC 99
      Preset #208 would be: 208 - 129 = 79 (because Preset #208 is in Bank 1, which starts at Preset #129)
      000 001 079
      or CC#32 value 1, then PC 79
      Preset 259 would be: 259 - 257 = 2
      000 002 002
      or CC#32 value 2, then PC 2
      Preset 322 would be: 322 - 257 = 65
      000 002 065
      or CC#32 value 2, then PC 65
      Preset 491 would be: 491 - 385 = 106
      000 003 106
      or CC#32 value 3, then PC 106
      Preset 500 would be: 500 - 385 = 115
      000 003 115
      or CC#32 value 3, then PC 115

      When you try to address a Preset that does not exist (either an empty spot or one outside the 1-500 range), there is no built-in warning system, VL3 just won’t do anything. So if you can see the “MIDI” indication on the VL3 appearing when you send commands, but are not getting the Preset to change, ensure you’re not referencing an empty or non-existent Preset location.
      *INSERT PIC OF THE MIDI POPUP*
      If that all seems too complicated for you, consider using Steps instead of Presets. Steps are essentially Presets within a Preset, and you can have up to 10 Steps all in the same Preset. If your current Preset contains the Steps you’ll be using, it just takes a single CC message to choose your Step…
      CC 115 = Step
      Value represents Step Number, i.e. 1 = Step 1, 2 = Step 2, etc.
      So sending a CC#115 with a value of 2 will take you to the second Step in your current Preset.

      Sources:
      https://kb.musictribe.com/musickb/view/article/tch/en_US/VoiceLive-3-Selecting-Presets-and-Banks-via-MIDI-228155247

      https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/6-what-msb-lsb-refer-for-changing-banks-andprograms/

      https://forum.musictribe.com/showthread.php?14591-Midi-PRESET-Change&highlight=voicelive+preset+change+midi

      https://forum.musictribe.com/showthread.php?15866-Voice-Live-3-Set-List-Maker-on-iPAD&highlight=voicelive+preset+change+midi
      I hope this helps
      • January 11, 2021
    • BenjaminCleek
      PetGerbil None of those musictribe "Sources" go anywhere/timeout... Because this site is "Proudly powered by Potato!"
      • January 11, 2021
      • Voicelive 3 - full MIDI support please!
        PetGerbil And, No. there will be no more firmware updates.
        • January 11, 2021
  • wavesequence
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-09-17

    I'm wondering if any updates after OS 1.21 are avaliable and where can be retrieved.

    Thanks in advance,

    ws

    1 534
    • wavesequence
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @wavesequence,
      Yes indeed that is the latest and last firmware update for the VoiceWorks Plus.  Hope you're still getting some use out of that thing

      • October 1, 2019
    • wavesequence
      arlopete1

      I was also searching the internet for an update for my trusty old TC-Helicon Voiceworks Plus as my unit is still on Versions 1.01. I cannot find versions 1.2 or 1.21 and wondered if you could point me to a resource or possibly (out of the generosity of your heart) send the update to me. I have spent endless hours trying to find these updates and I just don't understand why the company does not have them posted somewhere.


      Please let me know. Thanks for your consideration.


      Pete

      • February 17, 2020
    • wavesequence
      Maroliboe

      +1
      I also need the latest firmware (I think it is 1.21) for my Voiceworks plus - where can I download it, please advice
      Thanks & greetings,
      Martin

      • March 18, 2020
  • New
    MarqueeMusicGroup
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-03-17

    It was available for backorder on Guitar Center as of 3/17/2021, however Sweetwater and some others say they no longer have that product.

     

    If you can find a unit out there, is there software support for it?

     

    Is there an update or a Touch 3?

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    • MarqueeMusicGroup
      nneptune5 I'm also looking for this on 3/17/21, and I can't find one anywhere! I'm so disappointed. I've been waiting months to buy one. I hope an answer comes soon. I'm in America, and the only sellers are in Japan for an extremely high price. Help!
      • March 17, 2021
    • MarqueeMusicGroup
      DavidKnighton Hello Marquee,
      The TCH VoiceLive Touch 2 is not discontinued. Production is a bit slow since the beginning of pandemic.
      • March 18, 2021
  • clayewi
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-17

    Does the Voicelive Play provide phantom power? My mic does not work with it and it appears to be the phantom power issue. Phantom power is not mentioned in the manual anywhere.

    0 532
    • clayewi
      JasonB81 Hello Clay -Within the settings of the device there is a setting to select your mic type - you will want to select the CONDENSER MIC option which will supply the phantom power needed to power the mic. You will need to hold down the setup button and scroll to the mic settings. Hope this gets you on the right track. Thank you.
      • September 17, 2020
  • uru
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-01-23

    Hi there

    I'm having a hard time finding out what the output impedances of the headphone outs on GoXLR and GoXLR Mini are.
    If it's in the documentation I'm missing it and my google-fu seems too weak to find it elsewhere.

    Does anyone know?

    Thank you very much

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    • uru
      TCH-Rob

      Hi @uru ! 


      The output inpedence on the GoXLR headphone outs are about 10Ohms. I'm looking into the mini, I'll get back to you on that  

      • January 24, 2020
    • uru
      uru

      Thanks a lot. I'll wait with pressing "solution" a bit to see if you get the data for the mini.

      • January 25, 2020
    • uru
      TCH-Rob

      Hi @uru ,


      the Go XLR mini has 5 Ohms of output impedience! Hope this helps

      • January 27, 2020
  • DennisDubeau
    Regular Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-01

    Voicelive Extreme 3 owner here...

     

    Feel left in the dark... No more updates, nothing since the Chineses (See Beringher City in China) have bought TC Helicon. So called Flagship unit payed with top dollars...

    As if nothing could be improved...

    A good idea with bad support... Probably the "extreme" part of the deal... 

    New forum that has more pictures of morons with attitudes than actual solutions for us, real world users...

    Former contributions flushed... I say that part is LAME, to remain polite...

     

     

     

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    • DennisDubeau
      coreysound

      Not a very constructive post... I have a tc helicon voicelive rack that I love. Mine says made in thailand. How is that any better or worse than china? Where's your smart phone made? How about computer? 

      • August 1, 2019
    • DennisDubeau
      PetGerbil

      Not wrong though, except maybe It should be "Since Uli Behringer bought TC-helicon..."


      Were only here to be milked.

      • August 1, 2019
    • DennisDubeau
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @DennisDubeau,
      What are some features that you feel are missing from VoiceLive 3?  You kind of make it sound like you purchased the product expecting more than what you received, so I'm curious as to what you're missing.  Not making any promising as our engineers are busy working on new gear, but still I'd like to hear your thoughts explained a little further.


      Just to put this in context, the VoiceLive 3 released in 2014.  The most recent major firmware update for VL3 was in September 2017 (which was well after our acquisition), and the most recent preset update was just last week.

      • August 2, 2019
    • DennisDubeau
      DennisDubeau

      Hi Spencer...


      Nice to read you AGAIN!


      1) The ability to rename STEPS other than STEP 1, STEP 2... etc...!!


      2) A replacement warranty for that IN-EAR guitar cable.. This should last MORE than 4 months in my book...


      3) Redesign of that forum... The usual contributors seem to have quitted... 


       


       

      • August 5, 2019
  • Chewie128
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-08-27

    Hi, I have just purchased a Voicelive Play and the Roomsense menu is stuck with 'unplug aux' message even though there is no aux cable connected to the device.

    I've tried performing a factory reset and plugging and unplugging an aux cable to see if this clears the message but this hsan't worked.

    Does anyone know how to fix this please?

    Thanks

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    • Chewie128
      NicJonesMT Hi Jonathan. Could you please confirm what FW version you are using and check the Voice Support 2 application for any updates. I'd also recommend just reflashing the firmware to be safe.

      Could you also give me a breif overview of how you have the VL play setup and how it's behaving? For example other connected devices, general setup menu settings etc.
      • August 27, 2020
      • Voicelive Play Roomsense Menu - Stuck on 'unplug aux'
        Chewie128 Hi, firmware is 1.4.00 B70.
        • August 27, 2020
      • Voicelive Play Roomsense Menu - Stuck on 'unplug aux'
        Chewie128 Could you let me know how you update the firmware please?
        • August 27, 2020
      • Voicelive Play Roomsense Menu - Stuck on 'unplug aux'
        Chewie128 I am just using it connected to a mixing desk currently. No other connections
        • August 27, 2020
    • Chewie128
      Chewie128 Hi, I have just figured out how to update the firmware and re-flashed but hasn't made any difference and it still says 'unplug aux' in the roomsense menu.
      • August 27, 2020
      • Voicelive Play Roomsense Menu - Stuck on 'unplug aux'
        NicJonesMT Thanks Jonathan.
        Please hit support at the top of this page to open a Technical support ticket.
        We can then assist further and arrange an inspection if required.
        • August 27, 2020
      • Voicelive Play Roomsense Menu - Stuck on 'unplug aux'
        Chewie128 Thanks Nic, I've logged a ticket now. Strangely this is the second unit I've had with exactly the same problem so not sure what's going on?
        • August 27, 2020
    • Chewie128
      Chewie128 I've now been sent a third replacement unit and it's doing exactly the same thing with the roomsense menu getting stuck with 'unplug aux' message.
      • August 29, 2020
      • Voicelive Play Roomsense Menu - Stuck on 'unplug aux'
        Chewie128 I'm either very unlucky or there must be a faulty batch of these things out there.
        • August 29, 2020
    • Chewie128
      NicJonesMT Hi Jonathan.
      Thank you for opening a ticket and fingers crossed the unit you got from an alternative reseller doesnt have the same issue.

      For anyone else who experiences this same issue, please open a technical support ticket immediately.
      • September 8, 2020
    • Chewie128
      ErolSommer

      I have the same issue. Unit always thinks that something is plugged into AUX and there isn't. My other Voicelive play immediately sense when something is plugged or unplugged from the auxiliary input. This one does not. WHAT IS THE FIX? I bought it used.

      • May 3, 2021
  • CKa
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-13

    Just aquired a TC-Helicon GO Guitar interface device.

    In the video's for this product a "dongle"or "Adapter"is used to connect to the lightning port of an iPAD, it is also mentioned in the instruction leaflet to do so.

    But it is nohwere mentioned which adapter is used, the standard Apple adapter uses a TRS female jack, but the TC-Helicon Go Guitar uses a TRRS jack ( 3 contacts against 4..)

    SO which adapter ( or dongle as it is called in the video) should i use for this interface ?

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    • CKa
      TCH-Rob

      Hi @CKa


      we use the standard apple lightning to headphone adaptor (https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter) ; this should work for you!


      That said, apparently some of the earlier apple adaptors were just TRS, so if you have an older adaptor your Go Guitar may not work with it. 


      Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions. 

      • July 15, 2019
    • CKa
      CKa

      Thx, 


      Will see if i can obtain a new adapter tommorrow then, and will report back about my findings!

      • July 15, 2019
    • CKa
      CKa

      k, this works, but the "Guitar Rack"app still does not recognize the "Go Guitar"interface ..

      • September 21, 2019
    • CKa
      CKa

      ANd that was the end of this adventure, Guitar Rack will never recognize the Guitar Go basic, , will avoid TC stuff in the future...

      • November 14, 2019
  • Doris
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-10-03

    Hi there, I'm a singer and a totally newbie with the TC Helicon Voicelive 2 touch... I played with my band and wanted to mix with some live loops I was making but they got out of sync with the rythm of the band. I've been looking everywhere but I cannot find how to do this, hope someone understands what the problem is?

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    • Doris
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @Doris,
      This is actually a pretty difficult issue when it comes to live looping with a band. You basically have two options, and your drummer might hate both...


      Option 1 is to crack the whip on your drummer.  Get them to pay attention to your loop, and once you've recorded a loop and have it playing back they'll need to play in time with your loop.  Your loop becomes the new tempo master that everyone else slaves to, especially the drummer, or else like you found everything will go out of sync very fast.


      Option 2 is to introduce a MIDI click track.  Use something like a laptop to output MIDI clock with an audible click track - like a metronome the click track is then fed to your drummer through in-ear monitors (headphones), and MIDI clock is sent to your Touch 2's MIDI input which will quantize your loops to the click track.  This is obviously extra hardware and effort but some drummers will prefer this method.


      Both of these will require cooperation and extra effort from your drummer, which isn't ideal but really this is only way to loop live in sync with a band.  It's a simple problem with a pretty complex and still-evolving solution.


      The concept of a "listening looper" is a relatively new one.  To have a looper that adjusts to your playing, as opposed to adjusting your playing to the looper, isn't a common thing in the industry yet.  TC Electronic just released a listening looper last year, the Ditto Jam, and its beat-detection tech is hopefully going to make it into future TC Helicon products.  But for now with vocal looping you'll have to do it the old way (above), or alternatively you could send your vocals out from the Touch 2 in mono and do your looping in a Ditto Jam, that'd make your dummer happy but you'd only have one loop slot as opposed to Touch 2's 6 loop slots.

      • October 3, 2019
    • Doris
      Doris

      Well first of all: thank you very much for reacting, this helps me getting to know the options a lot better!!! The solutions you suggest are in my case not possible because we don't have a drummer (we ave a percussion player , the rhythms come form the computers of the keyboard player and the guitarist) so that is a bit difficult.


      I heard somenone mentionng Ditto Jam so I will explore this as well although I bought the Voicelive for this purpose. Another thing is that I want to mix in my loop while we are playing, (instead of me starting them an someone else following me) so that makes it even more difficult.


      Other options I was thinking about:
      1:can the slave option in the settings for metronome do something to this?
      2: I heard someone mentioning Ableton push? Is that an option?

      • October 4, 2019
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