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    DouglasLohman
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-12-28

    M32/X32

    I installed an X32rack in a church 2 years ago, they want to go all streaming.

    Is there a way to get a L&R stereo signal out of the mixer, pre L&R fader, yet separately adjustable? You can use the matrix, but it will be mono. L&R outputs feed the PA.

    L&R 1/4" outs will send the L&R but is affected by the L&R fader. Is there a way to send a L&R Pre fader signal to the Matrix and get stereo?

    I tried linking a couple of Matrix channels...

    Maybe I'm over thinking this.  Do they really need stereo? Maybe the pre or post L&R can be controlled after it leaves the mixer, by the input gain of the unit it's sent to (AD converter, etc). One could also send it via USB.

    Thanks

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    • DouglasLohman
      KevinMaxwell This is a cut and paste and edit of something I recently wrote that I hope covers your question.

      How many inputs are you presently using on the X32? If you have spare inputs you can double assign some inputs so you can use them just for the streaming feed. Keep in mind that live streaming is very susceptible to being over driven. See below how we dealt with that. The method I describe isn’t perfect but unless you have a separate room (and another person that can mix the streaming audio feed) and split all of the inputs this method is a good compromise.

      One church I helped set up their X32 for live streaming we took each channel post fader to a Mix Bus (7) and if you needed more or less of that in the live stream they would adjust to taste. This included the vocal reverb that was used for the house mix. They could also send channels to Mix Bus 7 without sending it to the L/R for the house feed. And don’t forget that you have the parametric EQ on the Mix Bus available for shaping the sound. Mix Bus 7 was then sent to Matrix 5 and 6 as the output to the stream. If you want stereo and you have 2 Mix Bus sends available you can use 2 Mix Bus sends to feed the matrix outputs.

      I used the compressor on Mix Bus 7 at about a 7:1 ratio and set the threshold so it was always doing a little something. I set the attack and release to AUTO mode and I set the knee to 5. This was then routed to Matrix 5/6 and the matrix compressor was set to limiting (brick wall limiting) ratio to 100 percent and 0 knee, also set it to peak not RMS. And the level was set while watching a test live stream and was set to be just under clipping. This was to keep the signal clean and as loud as we could get it but keep it from clipping. Keep in mind that the dynamic range of live sound is not going to work for any kind of broadcasting feed. Actually at first to get in the ball park I sent a steady tone to the stream and adjusted the Matrix outputs and the limiter to where I heard a clean tone on the streamed return. If the tone is clipping it is very obvious. Then we used playback of a band and we needed to bring it all down a little bit. This church has a Box Caster so there are no adjustments at all in the streaming device. If you are using a way to stream that gives you some control you will need to look into that. There may be a way to increase your output from there. But you will still need to beware of the level you are feeding to that and that is where the compression and limiting come into play.

      And although it might drive you a little bit craze because of the extreme delay you could have one person with a tablet (hooked up to control the live stream Mix Bus on the M32 over WiFi) mixing the Mix Bus feed while watching and listening to the live stream in another room. I say drive you crazy because any change you make on the Mix Bus you wouldn’t hear right away because of the time it takes for the live stream to reach the person watching and trying to mix it. When we were testing this setup it was around 26 seconds.

      I hope this is of some help to you.
      • December 28, 2021
    • DouglasLohman
      DouglasLohman Thank you, That all makes sense! They are using a very simple set up, 4 speaking/singing mics and one piano. I think this will all be determined by the input capability of the audio streaming devise, and, whether or not they desire stereo. Thanks, again.
      • December 28, 2021
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    DonSealer
    Contributor - Level 2
    2022-02-01

    How do I send my fx and eq settings to my daw?   I'm sending from xr18 to Reaper.

    Thanks,

    Don.....

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    • DonSealer
      Paul_Vannatto On the In/Out, USB Sends screen assign the desired FX (1-4) to one of the outputs. Which EQ are you wanting to send?
      • Jan 31
      • Send fx eq to daw
        DonSealer Not sure what you mean, which eq
        • Feb 1
    • DonSealer
      DonSealer Paul, thanks for the reply. However, I'm not sure what you ask, which eq are you wanting to send.
      • Feb 1
    • DonSealer
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Don, you asked "How do I send my fx and eq settings to my daw?" and I asked which EQ. Are you asking about the channel strip EQ?
      • Feb 1
    • DonSealer
      DonSealer Yes the channel strip eq
      • Feb 1
    • DonSealer
      Paul_Vannatto On the In/Out, USB Sends screen change the taps to Post-EQ
      • Feb 1
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    DanielThompson
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-18

    If, on the Card Tab, I map the Local 1-8 to the USB card, is that sending the raw XLR Inputs 1-8 to the USB? Or is it sending the outputs of Input Channels 1-8, and if so is it post fader, or post EQ? Also, why are inputs 17-24 not assignable to the Card Output?

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    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto Assigning Local to the Card screen assigns signals directly after the physical XLR input preamps.

      Regarding your second question ("why are inputs 17-24 not assignable to the Card Output?"), are you by chance trying to setup routing using the iPad app? If so don't. That app is designed as a mixing app and is not the best for doing complex routing and setup. I always use the X32-Edit app (for Mac, Windows, linux or Raspberry Pi) to do any setup (routing, etc.).
      • October 18, 2021
      • X32 Card Output - so confusing
        DanielThompson RIght, not using an iPad app.

        So if we assign the inputs to the card that way we're bypassing the input channels (faders) correct? Which would explain why, when we muted the input channels we still got signal through the card. There are too many things called "input", it gets confusing.

        So, I guess we cannot use 17-24 to the card then. Our original plan was to have the physical XLR inputs assigned to input channels 17-24 and 1-8, Then we were going to assign inputs 17-24 to the card and 1-8 to the main LR out, giving us one set of faders to the mains and one set to the card. We had to flip that around and put 17-24 to the mains now and 1-8 go to the card because the card won't take 17-24. But if you're saying the input channel is bypassed going to the card then it doesn't matter.
        • October 18, 2021
    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto I would suggest that in your thinking, from a routing perspective, separate physical inputs (Local, AES50, Card) from channel strip processing. If you want the physical inputs to go to the card outputs, then select the Local, AES50, etc). If you want channel strip processing to go to the card outputs, then you have to use one of the staging (patching) screens (Out 1-16, Aux Out, Ultranet) to assign the DirOut Ch and change the taps (eg. pre EQ, post EQ, etc.) as desired. Then assign that bank of 8 to the card outputs.

      I'm not sure why you are saying you "cannot use 17-24 to the card" - 17-24 what?
      • October 18, 2021
    • DanielThompson
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Daniel, unfortunately you replied to the notification, rather than the main thread, which sends the the reply to a parallel universe. I sent you a PM (personal message - mail icon top right corner).
      • October 19, 2021
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    segvinc
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-02-19

    Is it possible to connect 2 Xr18 to my computer and could be able to record more than 18channels to my daw at the same time without any delay or sync issue?

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    • segvinc
      Paul_Vannatto If you are using Windows, no it is not possible. With a Mac you could use the aggregate feature and with linux using Jack or Pipewire tricks, it might be possible (haven't tried it). Whether there will be sync or latency issues is not sure. The best thing is to get an X32 Rack and a stagebox.
      • Feb 19
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    Mike7300
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-09-29

    All - I have been using a behringer x32 rack with my main band.  I have a side band that uses 5 inputs (two vocal mic, guitar, and keys) and looking to get a separate mixer (6 or 8 channel) to use with them for gigs since my other mixer is combined with other equipment into a large rack cabinet and doesn't make sense to take the entire thing.  So want to get something that's more easily portable.  Any suggestions?

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    • Mike7300
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Mike, I use either the XR18 or MR18 (have both) for smaller bands.
      • September 29, 2021
    • Mike7300
      Mike7300

      Anything with less inputs you recommend? That many inputs would be overkill for this band and also just trying to save money.

      • September 29, 2021
    • Mike7300
      Paul_Vannatto There is the XR16 and XR12 (I have an MR12). Those have 8 XLR/8 TRS or 4 XLR/8 TRS inputs respectively. The limitation of the 2 Aux outputs of the XR12 has been an issue for me, since I use Aux fed subs which takes up one Aux output. Also both XR16 and XR12 has a stereo USB player/recorder (to USB stick) instead of the 18x18 multi-track USB interface of the XR18.
      • September 29, 2021
    • Mike7300
      Mike7300

      Got it, I won’t use subs so no issue there for me, with the XRL 12 if I want monitors I would have to use those couple aux channels correct? And there’s no XLR outs besides the mains…:so I think XR16 will be better for me.

      • September 29, 2021
    • Mike7300
      GaryHiggins Flow8?
      • September 30, 2021
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    Sidsimp357
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-11-10

    I've had my X Air X18 for a few years and hardly used it because of the setup learning curve.  "Life happened", so I actually forgot I even bought the thing, but now that I have time to focus on it, I have yet to find a concise video by Behringer or a third party to show me how to use the device in its simplest way for home studio recording.

    I bought the unit to plug all of my vintage analog and MIDI gear into, and then route them into my DAW (Logic Pro X, GarageBand...whatever), but the tutorials are designed for experienced engineers using the mixer for live monitor connections (NOT my situation at all).

     If anyone has links to videos which CLEARLY explain (STEP-BY-STEP) how to plug in and operate the Behringer X Air X18 as a studio interface, my purchase will be worth it; otherwise, I blew hundreds of dollars on a fantasy.

     

    Respectfully,

     

    sid

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    WING_Fred
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-10-27

    Hi, I want to know it it is possibe to modify the Wing Driver to get 2IN and 94OUT on our WING consol?

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    • WING_Fred
      Paul_Vannatto No it is not possible. The USB is 48x48
      • October 27, 2021
    • WING_Fred
      WING_Fred Ok, So can we have 32IN and 64OUT? Because we can do now 48IN/48OUT
      • October 27, 2021
    • WING_Fred
      Paul_Vannatto No, the hardware limit is 48x48 (ie 48IN/48OUT). You can't change inputs to outputs.
      • October 27, 2021
    • WING_Fred
      WING_Fred Ok... Thanks! It was a idea to use 40 stereo tracks!!!
      • October 27, 2021
    • WING_Fred
      Paul_Vannatto You could go to the Dante card (internal or the W-Dante card) which provides 64x64
      • October 27, 2021
      • W-USB with 2IN and 94OUT, it's possible?
        GaryHiggins Or use both an internal and external Dante together :-) (they will coexist at the same time) and get 128x128. Although I don’t see how one would have enough faders to MIX more than…I’m guessing 48 stereo ch’s at one time? DVS can only handle 64 ch’s max on the recording end if that route is needed. There is I suppose, the case of 2 Wings, each with a Wing-Dante card which could sync up perfectly in real time in a large Dante network. Love to see that someday…I would be scary to imagine a scenario that would require that many inputs at once!
        • October 28, 2021
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    pastormonty
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-02-09

    I'm located in Central Mississippi and am needing to replace an X32 Power Supply.  Does anyone know where I can purchase one?  I can't find one anywhere! I need some help and ideas!

     

    Thanks! 

     

    Rev. Monty 

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    • pastormonty
      Dale_M Please go to the Support tab above and select Parts so the team can advise you.
      • Feb 9
      • X32 Power Supply
        pastormonty Thanks..did that.
        • Feb 10
    • pastormonty
      pastormonty

      Still no response...

      • Feb 15
    • pastormonty
      pastormonty Alright - SERIOUSLY LOOKING - for the power supply for the X32 - It seems to be back-ordered by EVERYONE. Need this for a Youth Ministry. #StuckWIthDeadBoardButNotDeadPeople
      • Mar 7
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    DavidThomson1
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-10-29

    Are there any plans to have a desktop app for the Flow mixer (OSX, Windows)? Decided to do some recording with the flow today (since it has sat in a peli case for 6 weeks from new not getting used as the pre / post send issue hasnt been resolved yet so is of no use to me live yet), and find it very restricting whilst working on Logic to have to also use my phone to adjust inputs etc etc. a desktop app next to logic would be invaluable when recording (probably the same for streaming etc as well)

     

    Thanks

     

    Dave

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    • DavidThomson1
      PedroRodrigues Hi DavidThomson1 thank you for your post at this moment we do not have any plans to release a specific desktop version of the Flow 8 App, nevertheless I would suggest to keep an eye on our social media of any news on our products. Thank you
      • October 30, 2021
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    mrkell80920
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2022-03-04

    By now, I am sure the answer to this is yes, but I have not figured it out yet.
    My board has latest firmware, (4.06 at this time), I have the latest version of xEdit for the PC.

    I have installed the USB drivers for the x32 on the pc,   set up my network connect, and can manage
    the board via that internet interface.

    What I would like to do, is take an audio project that has seperate tracks, and push that audio to
    various channels on the board as if it were a live session.    so I can work on EQ settings, mixing, effects, etc.
    without having to do it live (or in a band practice session).   I am trying to use BandLabs Cakewalk, 
    and not having much luck...

    Anybody know what I might be overlooking here?

    Also, if I open up the USB driver window, that window shows no devices connected.   And I have tried
    multiple (both new and used) usb cables between the pc and the xUSB card in the back of the board.

    Thanks peeps

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    • mrkell80920
      PedroRodrigues Hi mrkell80920, thank you for your post, to be possible to assist you with more tools and provide the info requested please follow the link below and submit an assistance request directly to our Tech Support Team: https://community.musictribe.com/pages/create-new-ticket?type=Technical%20Support&brand=Behringer Thank you
      • Mar 5
    • mrkell80920
      GaryHiggins You can do this fairly easily with Cakewalk. First issue is to use the ASIO driver model not Windows drivers, that will allow full 32 ch use. That is the MAIN thing, Windows driver models will not work here.. Second likely issue is then setting the X32 to be a 32x32 interface, it can be set otherwise (it may be at the 8x8 setting by default) You probably want 32x32 for full X32 use. Your input routing on the X32 needs to be set for Card 1-32 in groups of 8. In Cakewalk set each audio track for a separate output ch. Usually the ASIO audio drivers are listed as pairs and 3 options for each pair, L/R and stereo. Always a little bit of math to get the ch's set but you can use "friendly" naming in Cakewalk to rename all the drivers to numbers and names that makes the most sense to you. A bit tedious but worth the effort. With each Cakewalk ch set for it's own output, they will align with the X32 mixer ch's when played back. If you can, use a USB 2.0 port on your PC, 3.0 USB ports can sometimes cause issues. In Cakewalk preferences below:
      • Mar 5
    • mrkell80920
      mrkell80920 Hello Gary, Thanks for the response.
      I meant to say I am using the x32 drivers available via the behringer downloads.
      But I think I only have the x-usb driver installed And it is that driver in the task bar that I open, and it shows no devices connected.
      • Mar 5
    • mrkell80920
      GaryHiggins BTW this shows up (above) where the pic I actually posted used to be...too odd. Holy cow, hard to help with stuff like this happening...
      • Mar 5
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