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  • kevonavitch
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-07-23

    Hi,

    I have a few MIDAS DP48s for the band members. Running them from X32/M32 mixers. Been able to import group names and manually program groups. But I have not been able to figure out how to use the Auto Assign by group or color features. Do you need a HUB4 to use this capability?

    Also, I found an AES50 Group name assignment feature in the Library section of the X32-Edit software. I can input the information there but don't know how to push it out to the DP48. Does it also require a HUB4 to allow this feature to work?

    Thanks!

    Kevin

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    • kevonavitch
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Kevin,

      Are you getting the channel names and colors in the DP48 via AES50? If so the auto assign by color should work (based on those channel colors). I haven't used that feature for over a year now.

      The AES50 section of the library should work (as long as you are using X32 firmware 4.02 and DP48 firmware 1.4). You need to put the DP48 in slave mode (in the Setup). Then in the AES50 library (of X32) select broadcast to A or B (depending on which AES50 port you are using for the DP48)
      • July 22, 2020
    • kevonavitch
      kevonavitch Thanks, Paul. I really appreciate the quick answer. I had firmware 4.01 on the M32C and the new 1.5 on the DP48. Update the first. My issue might have been that I forgot to turn on the internal clock on the M32C (usually it is slaved to the X32 as a monitor mixer). I was able to get it to both pick up the auto assign and the library broadcast features. Worked beautifully!

      I had another question about where to tap the signal but I'll start another thread to create a separate headline.
      • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Paul_Vannatto Ah yes, 4.01 had issues. Updating to 4.02 will help. Glad to hear you got it working. I'll watch for your other thread.
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        • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        kevonavitch Another thought came to mind. When I first tried it, it was from my X32. But I had the DP48 daisy-chained after our SD16 stage box. Does the stage box potential strip out the channel messages from the X32. I think I recall reading that the DP48 should be wired first (which seems risky). And if that is the necessary to allow the channel messages to reach the DP48, how much latency would each box add to the signal in the chain (we have 3)?

        Sorry for all the questions! I'm finding it hard to get clear answers online since the product is so new.
        • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        kevonavitch I'm back in the practice room testing. It seems the stage boxes are the problem. When I put the AES50 directly in to the DP48, the broadcast works. With my two SD16s in between, the message does not reach. I notice the latest DP48 firmware talks about allowing name commands to go through stage boxes (I have 1.5 installed). I suspect I may have to update the firmware for the SD16s. Will give that a try and report back.

        Thanks again for your help, Paul.
        • July 25, 2020
  • JuKay311
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2020-08-23

    I have connected my new P16-M via the Ethernet-Cable to one of the four ULTRANTE-Ports on the SD16 Stagebox. The P16-M worked fine (PoE) an I was able to here "something". When I tried to change the routing in the X-32  int P16  (or now utlranet) Side  nothing happen/changed.    I resettet the P16-M , but same Problem.  The I wired it directly to the X-32 (I had to use the wallplug of the P16-M becuase there was no PoE on the UTLRANET-Port of the X-32) everything works well.   Has anybody the same Problem?  Did I something wrong in the routing of the SD-16 ?   

    Thanks for any ideas. 

     

    Uli

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    • JuKay311
      RexBeckett The Ultranet ports on the SD16 are defined by the AES50 routing 33-48. If this is set to Ultranet 1-16, the outputs will be the same as those set for the console (on the Ultranet tab).
      • August 23, 2020
      • P16-m not getting setup (Routing) form the X32-Rack over  SD16
        JuKay311 Wow. THANK YOU, Rex! Made my day!
        • August 23, 2020
    • JuKay311
      GaryHiggins If you changed your aes50a out 33-48 assignments to something else besides P16 1-8 and P16 9-16 they will output differently than what is sent from the desk ultranet port. Default routing is what Rex showed you above and they should output the same things from both places when routed as shown. The ultranet menu defines sources, aes50 33-48 (in this case) sends those P16 sources to a the SD16. The SD16 (like almost every stagebox) is fixed/hardwired to output aes50 33-48 from its ultranet ports. Whatever sources are assigned to aes50 33-48 will be output there-but it's not restricted to only P16 sources, as you can see from above, there are lots of possibilities one might assign, easy enough to even set some by mistake.
      • August 23, 2020
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    than8329
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-21

    Hi there! My name is Thanos and I'm a sound enginieer-designer and I'm using the midas DP48 personal monitor for three months now and I'm satisfied. The problem is that the musicians need the mute function sometimes because I'm changing the inputs from the midas DL32 stagebox or I'm changing the instruments. Everytime I warn them to turn off the master volume because the mute function does not exist. Is there something better than this??? Is it available a firmware update with the mute function???

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    • than8329
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Thanos, the mute function is on the wishlist. No ETA at this point.
      • December 21, 2020
    • than8329
      joshtew I am facing this problem too!

      With default routing method of direct out connections from channels to AES50, muting the channels on the mixer doesn't mute any of the personal monitors nor analogue outputs from Hub4. I have stage monitor speakers connected to Hub 4 analogue outputs and this is sending the pop from cable connection/disconnection straight through!

      Will be helpful to have the option of tapping from "IN/LC +M" tap point.

      Will a feasible workaround be to send the guitar channels through P16 segment tapped from channels at "IN/LC +M" tap point?
      • December 26, 2020
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        MichaelIvey Well Joshua another solution to this dilemma until it's an actual update from Midas would be to use a suggestion that resolved the issue "DP48 Playback for mixing IEM" used. What was suggested was making a LIVE A Snippet and a PLAYBACK B Snippet. The LIVE A Snippet can serve as the boards routing when Performing, Shows, and Recording. The PLAYBACK B Snippet could serve a dual purpose. Not only to route the card signals back thru AES50B for the DP48 but also since none of the LIVE A Input Channels are connected the board nor the speakers nor the IEMs will pass thru the "POP" because it's not routed.
        • Jan 4
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        joshtew I opted to go P16 route as we may need to mute these instruments mid programme and there is no need to re-train our many volunteers sound engineers on what to do when they need to mute the instruments.
        • Jan 29
    • than8329
      than8329 Do we have any progress about the DP48 mute function???
      • Mar 22
      • DP48MUTE FUNCTION
        Paul_Vannatto The developers are aware of the mute request, but no ETA at this point.
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    GregWarren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-12-17

    Hello,

    I have 6 DP48s and have 2 Hub4s being shipped as we speak.

     

    My question, will I need 6 ethernet cables from the 2 Hub4s to each of the DP48s to power them (PoE) OR can you use 1 ethernet cable from the hub4 to the first one and then daisy chain them and get power to them without having to use the ac adapters?

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    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, if you want PoE, you will need 6 cables. The Thru AES50 jack on the DP48 does not supply the PoE, similar to the P16-M.
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      GregWarren Okay...thanks...now how do I setup the IEMs with the hub 4s? What ports on the back do I use?
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Looking at the back, from right to left are the ports outputs (1-4), mix A and B. Ports 1 and 2 mix A are XLR and the rest (port 1/2 mix B and all of port 3/4) are 1/4" TRS. You also need to enable each port output by pressing on the respective port button on the front panel (just below the Port 1-4 label).
      • December 17, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        GregWarren Ethercon shielded 5e or 6a?
        • December 18, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, shielded cat5e is getting harder to find here (in Canada). I have a mixure of shielded cat5e, cat6a and cat7. Anything that works between Behringer/Midas consoles and stageboxes should work with the Hub4 and DP48.
        • December 18, 2020
    • GregWarren
      MichaelIvey Hey Douglas. I feel your frustration as I did the same method you did and got the same results time after time after time. But here's what changed. Instead of saving the file in Excel where I created it I saved it to my Desktop. When given the option of the format to save it in I selected CSV UTF-8 (Comma delimited) (*.csv) again saving the file to my Desktop. Hope this works for you.
      • December 19, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto What has this to do with our discussion here about the Hub4 and DP48?
        • December 19, 2020
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    joshtew
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-26

    I have been trying to get the talkback function on the DP48s to work but found that once they are daisy chained together these units will not be able to go into the talkback mode.

    I was wondering why 1 of the units was able to show TALK when I press and hold the MIC button but not the others. After much trial and errors I realised that when the units are daisy chained, they will not go into the TALK mode.

    I managed to cause 1 DP48 to hang when I turned on a downstream unit before turning on the source DP48, the unit goes into TALK mode after I press and held Mic button but it got stuck and doesn't return to main screen after I let go of the button. I had to restart the unit.

    Seems like a bug in the firmware? Or is it a requirement for the DP48s to be directly connected to HUB4 without any units connected to its thru port but this is not documented.

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    • joshtew
      gabehizer Where did you see TALK displayed? When I press the MIC button, I only see a large "MIC" displayed on the left panel of the DP48. This DP48 is plugged directly into the X32 AES50 port B, so no daisy chaining involved. Does it only work if you have the HUB 4?

      I followed these instructions:

      • Talkback signal will be exchanged between all DP48 mixers and M32 consoles via CH48


      • Automatic configuration if Talkback is active:


      o Add CH48 to assignment of Group 12


      o Rename Group 12 to ‘Talkback’


      o Activate ‘MIC +20dB’ in Setup


      • Configure Talkback in Setup, press and hold MIC button to speak
      • December 26, 2020
      • DP48 Talkback Function(FW1.9)  not working with daisy chained units
        joshtew It is shown on the DP48 display when I press And Hold the Mic Button.
        • December 27, 2020
    • joshtew
      DanielPaine The Talkback feature is designed to work with the Hub 4 only. The reason why daisy chain is not supported is due to the downstream bump of + 8ch for each device linked so you can have all outputs of IEM at the desk end. With the Hub 4 connected, each DP48 talkback is mixed on to ch 48 downstream to the M32. A feature that can't be done through each DP48 thru (it will require bi-directional mixing of all linked DP48's). Hope this helps.
      • Feb 1
      • DP48 Talkback Function(FW1.9)  not working with daisy chained units
        joshtew Thanks Daniel for your reply.

        Please do include this information in the documentation, that would save users hours of testing and looking through firmware update notes trying to figure out why Talkback is not working for daisy chained DP48s. I had the wrong impression that DP48s are able to mix Talkback signal from downstream units to be forwarded to Hub4.

        Wondering why Talkback is not working even for the first DP48 of the chain which is directly connected to Hub4?

        For the 8chs upstream from DP48s connected to Hub4, saw from the Add-on Sheet documentation(FW2.3) that they consists of 4 channels for the 2 stereo mixes with 1 Talkback channel and 3 line channels. What are these 3 line channels for? Stereo Aux in?

        May I suggest these options to implement Talkback for daisy chained DP48s :

        1) Provide a configurable option for individual DP48 to mix Talkback Mic signal from the downstream DP48 with its own.

        2) For DP48s which are not required to send mixes back to Hub4, provide a configuration for upstream channels to be used for sending Talkback signal of daisy chained DP48s to Hub4 instead. Hub4 can then do the mixing of these signals to Ch48.

        3) Alternatively, if the 3 line channels are not in use, these can be used for up to 3 daisy chained DP48s talkbacks.
        • Feb 1
  • Philmoore174
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-06-16
    Can a P1 IEM amp run off a 12V plugpack?
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    • Philmoore174
      RexBeckett The P1 can run from a 9V 100mA centre-negative power supply. I would not connect a 12V supply.
      • June 16, 2020
    • Philmoore174
      paulop Probably yes, but don't take my word for granted. Most of these circuits are based on op-amps and regulators that usually are rated up to 30 or so volts, but again, it's your risk. make sure you use a center negative plug, that's important.
      • July 2, 2020
  • vmorgan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-14

    Hello,

    I've posted previously about having an issue with seeing the channel names broadcasted to the DP48 while using an SD8 with the Behringer X32 Compact. The community has helped with understanding the AES50 A & B streams. However, I still need help from the community to answer this question.

    Should the DP48 see the broadcasted channel names when connected to an SD series digital snake or should I be using the S or DL series digital snakes?

    What I've experienced is that the DP48 does not see the broadcasted channel name but does get the same channel setup and audio from the AES50 A side the snake box is setup on. When the DP48 is directly connected to a separate AES50 port on the mixer and NOT through the SD snake box, all the channel names are received including real-time name changes.  I've experienced this on the X32 Compact and WING mixers using the SD8 and SD16 stage boxes. 

    Tribal help is greatly appreciated.

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    • vmorgan
      GaryHiggins Did you try going to the DP48 first, and then on from the thru port to the SD? Just a thought, I sort of recall that being said way back when. Or use them on a separate aes50 line. I’ve only scratched the DP surface so others may have better info. Also what firmware for the DP? Lots fixed either the most recent one.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan No I haven't tried connecting the DP48 first and then coming off the B port of the DP48 to the SD16. The DP48 has been updated to v1.5.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Ok, you also use the setup within the X32? Firmware there is also the latest?
        • September 14, 2020
    • vmorgan
      vmorgan Yes the X32 had the latest firmware. Now using the Behringer Wing mixer with the most recently released update.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins My Wing is on its way to be repaired (ghost touches) so I can't try it out but it may be a bug you have found. How about just dedicating one port for only DP48 use? Again I recall that being suggested in another thread as a solution in past firmware...or it was in my dreams!
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Yeah I read that thread back in June/July. That's the plan, but it requires two long runs of Cat6 ethercon cable to be ran.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Paul V. may be able to help out, he has worked with the DP48's for quite a while now. He will know if its possible or not yet implemented. Yes the extra cat run can be problematic. I would try the DP48 as the first connection for sure, no harm no foul.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Confirmed, it works going to the DP48 first and then to the SD16. It's just odd that you can't see the names the other way around.
        • September 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      AndreasKormann Did you also update the firmware of the SD16? Because I had an issue with S16 on old firmware.
      • December 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Vijay, if you are not seeing the channels on the DP48 when having the stagebox placed in between the console and the DP48, you need to update the firmware of that stagebox (eg. SD16). There was a bug that was fixed in the latest firmware update.
      • December 15, 2020
  • YTS82Z
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-07-07
    Dear friends of the tribes I'm using the DP48 as a headphone monitor mixer in the studio with the M32R and a DAW running on a stationary computer, no big issues, BUT I also do gigging and tracking in rehearsal rooms and live, and for that purpose, I made a nice portable rig, with the same studio quality, by using the DP48 as a mini mixer with a DL16 , a KT DN9630 and a macbook. The latter DN9630 and macbook when tracking. For live performances, I intended to use the SD card player of the DP48, which also is the mixer and I/O for FOH and monitor through the DL16. Now for every firmware update, Midas has managed to remove functionality, add new features and introduce new errors. All the struggles I've had with AES50 on this unit, is a separate story (upstream/downstream bugs, distortion, mandatory 8 ch AES50 out instead of the 4ch, now using up all the DL16's outputs etc.), but right now, with firmware 1.4 it seems as the AES50 A & B finally works as described, but now the SD card playback doesn't give any sound. It is recording and it's also playing back, but no sound. Output source A and B are selected and the volumes are up :-) Anybody tried this? I'm not able to play live with the SD card now, do I have to wait for firmware 1.5? It seems as Midas/Behringer don't do proper functional tests before firmware releases - do You remember the M32 fader speed thing :-) Any help most appreciated Best regards Niels
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    • YTS82Z
      DavidKnighton Hello YTS82Z. This has been reported and confirmed as an issue with 1.4 firmware. A fix is already on the way. I have reports that the issue is not present on earlier firmware, so you may be able to downgrade the firmware in the meantime while waiting for the new update.
      • July 9, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Hi David. That's good news - Thank You.. As Nigel subsequently points out, it seems the problem will be solved within short, so I will wait for the official update. By the way, earlier fw revisions, e.g. version 1.3 also had its flaws, namely some issues in the AES50 streams when daisy chaining, which I do, so that ain't the way for me :-)
        Best regards
        Niels
        • July 10, 2020
    • YTS82Z
      Nigel67 Hi YTS82Z, I have a Beta version with a fix in that has been tested and confirmed fixed. if you would like to try this I would be more than willing to e-mail it over if you are interested. It is a Beta version though but we would be interested to have someone external test it and see that all the bugs are fixed. Send me your e-mail address if you are interested. I am told that this Beta candidate should be ready for release Monday or Tuesday next week, so if you could hang on til then.
      • July 9, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Hi Nigel. Thank You for fast reponse, it's most appreciated. Since I'm up for vacation next week, I will wait for the official update to be released. I will give You a feedback, when I've tried it out.
        Best regards
        Niels
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        • July 10, 2020
    • YTS82Z
      Indiana Just saw that version 1.5 is up on the website and should fix this issue.
      • July 17, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Hi Josh
        • July 18, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Thank You I will try it out this weekend. Best regards Niels
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        • July 18, 2020
    • YTS82Z
      YTS82Z Hi all
      FW 1.5 is released, and it corrects the SD card playback issue. When I got the time, I'll check, that other functions remain okay as well. Thank You Midas/Nigel for fast action on this, it's most appreciated.
      Best regards
      Niels
      • July 22, 2020
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    elvis1979
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-03

    I have a question: Will it be possible to connect any devices other than DP48 and DL8 to the AES50 ports? E.g. DL153, SD8 ..... :)

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      GaryHiggins I would say yes, they are aes50 streams so as long as the stagebox is capable of 44/48k they should work just fine. The SD8 for sure and I think the DL153 can do 48k ok so it should be fine as well. The blue series Midas boxes that can do 48k will not daisy chain beyond their immediate connection, so you can't then piggy back from them like the S/SD16 etc. They would have to be the only device on that port but should still work.
      • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 That would be great. Couldn't someone try it, for example, with the DL15 stagebox ...? Whether it really works
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I would love to...but in the US they have not arrived yet! Unreal but quite true,....waiting for mine at Sweetwater....oh yeah and I don't own a 153 :-)
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        elvis1979 hm
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins As fate would have it. got notice today Wed 11/4) that the Hub4 has arrive3d in the US, should have one in a few days..
        • November 4, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 I have a question: Could this work?
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I don't see why not, one dl153 from each port...however that's 48 mic pre's and the M32 can only use a max of 38 IF you use aux remap, 32 otherwise-so you would need to pick and choose which ones you use.
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins Now looking at it more closely, I'm not sure the Hub can pass all ch's upstream like a stagebox. Guess someone who owns one will have to tell us! It still may but I am unsure.
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        elvis1979 Yes, that's why I put it here. Hoping that there is someone who has HUB4 and would be able to comment
        The manufacturer states that the ports are only used to power the DP48 and DL8, so is it really so? Could someone from the manufacturer comment
        • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      GaryHiggins From the web page it still sounds like it SHOULD work "4 PoE Ports for Personal Mixers or Compatible Stage Boxes, 48/44.1 kHz AES50 In and Through"
      • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 Rather, the question is whether this one port can stream more than 8 channels? Because if not, then it probably doesn't matter :(
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I think if only 8 ch's they would have said that....or not mentioned stageboxes at all. AES50 is 48 ch's. I think when they say compatible they mean NOT 96k. Someone else will chime in.
        • November 3, 2020
  • kevonavitch
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-07-25

    On my old Behringer P16Ms, I could assign signals from channels post EQ. With the DP48, when I'm assigning the channels using AES50, I am guessing I am tapping the raw signal from source probably after gain but pre effects. I figured I could still tap the 16 channels from Ultranet to get post-eq settings. And it looks like I can tap another 8 via the Aux Out assign (assuming I don't need the physical/digital outs).

    Does that mean I'm limited to tapping 24 channels post EQ? Or am I missing some optionality for routing signals post effects.

    Thanks!   

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      GaryHiggins Hi Kevin, you also have outputs 1-16, so its 38. 16,16 and 6 if dealing with an X/M32. It's a little worse with a Wing as you can only get post effects sends by using the "User" menu which is limited to 24 ch's
      • July 25, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 - Tapping monitor signal post EQ
        kevonavitch Thought I'd replied but I don't see it here.

        I hadn't thought of the Outs 1-16. Obvious oversight! Thanks for that, Gary. We're using 12 of the outs for monitors, matrix/crossover outs but that gives us another 4. Cheers!
        • July 25, 2020
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