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  • Behringer
    Triber Moderator
    2020-11-24

    Since various magazines and Arturia have publicly called us out over the launch of our Swing MIDI Controller, we would like to respond and share some facts around the principles of competition and clear up some misconceptions.

    Competition is a highly effective tool to drive innovation by empowering Customers to make their best choices and force manufacturers to constantly reinvent themselves. Innovation means progress and this happens on many levels, whether it relates to customer experience, functionality or cost efficiencies etc.
    There are 4 established marketing strategies: market leader, market challenger, market follower and market nichers. Here is a great article: https://aytm.com/blog/brand-positioning-for-a-competitive-edge-part-3/

    The competition law was designed to avoid companies creating a market monopoly and stifle innovation, which would be detrimental to the rights of the Customers to expect better offerings. The law was specifically designed to encourage everyone to fiercely compete, even when it means over the same functionality and design, provided intellectual property such as utility (functional) and design patents as well as trademarks etc. are respected.

    How many Fender Stratocaster or Gibson Les Paul clones are out there in the guitar world and how many SM58 clones are available? How many cars or mobile phones look alike? It is not surprising that Gibson recently lost a substantial legal case trying to prevent others from making V-shape guitars or Fender, who lost all trademark cases related to their Stratocaster design.
    The reason is simple: the law encourages competition and provides maximum freedom for companies to engage head-on, all for the benefit of the Customer.

    We are spending large amounts of resources on innovation, which is reflected in products such as X32, XR18, Flow, DDM4000, etc. This made us the global market leader for analog and digital mixers and over the years we have built an extensive patent portfolio:
    https://community.musictribe.com/pages/intellectual-property
    However, we also clearly choose to follow successful brands and products, while adding more features and/or competing on price. Much of our innovation is invisible to the Customer as it relates to our highly advanced and automated design and manufacturing processes and for that we are spending hundreds of millions of US$.
    For this reason, we have become strategic partners with Microsoft, Siemens, Adobe and many other Tier 1 companies as we are pushing for extreme digitization and automation.

    The follower marketing strategy is a very common business model in any industry, which is enabled by law to encourage competition. With our new Swing MIDI Controller, we followed an established concept, but of course wrote our own firmware with added functionality. However, these unique features will only come to life when we launch our free DAW.

    The free Music Tribe DAW will form the heart of an incredible eco-system, where all our controllers, synthesizers and drum machines etc. will integrate seamlessly, thus dramatically improve connectivity and workflow. This will make it incredibly easy for our Customers to create, edit and share their music.
    Only our upcoming controllers will feature total integration with our synthesizers, drum machines, digital mixers and other Music Tribe equipment, while also offering standard functionality with all 3rd party products.

    For anyone familiar with the industry landscape, Arturia has been cloned for years (Worlde MiniMidi, etc.), while the company has also been “borrowing” from others with their VST replicas of legendary hardware synths, open-source code from Mutable Instruments, the “Expressive Touche” controller or the registration of known “DX7” and “Synthi” marks. Equally, our own analog Xenyx mixers and many other products have been widely cloned.
    ¬We will absolutely continue to deliver innovative products but also follow our competitors as we expect our products to be cloned - fair play.

    We are very cautious when it comes to our follower approach and employ expert intellectual property firms to ensure our products stay within the boundaries of the law; we are committed to never intentionally infringe on other companies’ intellectual property.

    Many years ago, we were entangled in bitter lawsuits with Mackie and Pioneer, which we all won. But we also recently lost a case against Yamaha in China related to a simple fader knob design that involved a design patent we were unfortunately not aware of. We changed the design, we will pay the fees and move on. Notably, Yamaha themselves were sued by Dr. Dre over their headphone designs (https://www.cnet.com/news/dr-dre-sues-yamaha-over-headphones/) or entangled in other legal matters (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/musical-instrument-firms-to-pay-millions-after-breaking-competition-law), which clearly shows how competitive business is. The heated Apple versus Samsung disputes are a prime example.

    It is our Purpose and Mission to empower Customers who don’t have deep pockets and provide them with the best possible equipment at fair prices. We do understand that we are a fierce competitor and at times controversial as we’re relentlessly push the envelope.

    We would like to thank all our Customers who have supported us over the past 30 years. We are absolutely committed to continue to deliver the best possible products at the lowest possible cost.

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    • Behringer
      K-Linerz I dont understand why people are so touchy these days about all this! If there wasnt the competition like we get from yourselves/Behringer we would all be sitting in our studio's either with equipment that has probably crippled our finances, or no equipment priced out by companies like Roland/Korg etc who have done so for years. Its only more recent times where competition is fierce that it pushes the prices down for these companies to fight it out for our money.
      Comments i have seen where people have said " I was going to buy the MonoPoly but after this im not" is absurd. Good luck finding a Mono/Poly at the price point you can buy the Behringer one! - well, maybe if it was just a shell they might.

      Keep going!
      • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        VarjuLaszlo Roland, Moog deserves his fate, but Korg is a traditional cheap brand, and they producing their classics or something nearly in upgraded version. They producing MS-20, but Behringer made a fake version not for a reasonable price. There are the Minilogue, what is the modern but stil analogue version of MonoPoly, but more CHEAPER then Uli's copy.
        • November 25, 2020
    • Behringer
      snidedj Well, I guess they have a fair point. I wasn't sure whether I supported the cloning of a current piece of hardware so blatantly but they have reminded me how often this happens and how it fairly contributes to competition.
      • November 24, 2020
    • Behringer
      Champ_007 You can thank me with a new UMC1820 that already has issues after a couple months use.
      • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        Behringer Hey Eric, so sorry to hear that you have issues with your interface. Have you already opened a support ticket to get that sorted out?
        • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        Champ_007 Nope. Goes back to the store and will buy from another brand that´s more reliable. Great interface if it weren´t for those poor components.
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        • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        LionBird12 You did the right thing. Eric. Behringer does not deserve our dollars right now.
        • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        K-Linerz Had my UMC1820 for the last year and had zero issues. Even expanded with their ADAT and the UMC1820 runs smooth with all 16 channels simultaneously.
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        • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        LionBird12 Hey Behringer, you suck right now. Your You tube page for the product says it all. Thousands of negative comments and shit you deserve. Fix this crap and take the product off market you A holes. Pathetic Response this is!
        • November 25, 2020
    • Behringer
      jschussler The question most are asking isn’t “is it legal,” it’s “is it necessary?” You could have designed a very similar product without making it an exact copy and still had a successful offering. Cloning so directly comes off as lazy. Why didn’t you modify the physical design in any way? You have the capability....
      • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        mp4n4 Who cares, copying a product is much cheaper than actually developing one. Also, this could be an entry for Behringer in a new sub-market so they prolly don't wanna spend too much. Moreover, keystep 32 costs the same amount of money, so this is not competitively priced and the market will show whether this will be a successful product or not. To me, lazy, is when you can't put a good encoder knob on your product (Arturia Beatstep Pro) and you sell it at high price. We have a free market, you only hear about products that are better sold to you, or with better marketing and not necesarilly "unique". I really do not care about whether Behringer copies products or not, these are tools for creativity and not football teams so no one should be a fanboy really, they're asking for your money and you hope they give you the best value for it back and thats about it. Keep going Behringer and any other company that clones stuff..
        • November 24, 2020
      • Competition. The Facts.
        jschussler "Who cares"

        Lots of people care, hence the controversy.
        • November 24, 2020
    • Behringer
      TravisSpore Wow! That is some twisted thinking. Returning the couple things I just purchased--they just became "defective" weird right? And cancelled the modules I had on pre-order. What a disgusting way to do business.
      • November 24, 2020
  • Yuasasan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-08

    Why is it so hard for Behringer to copy the midi setup section,

    as part of the X32 edit app, in the Xair edit app?

    I like to connect a bcf2000 to  Xair edit app, as easy as it is to connect to the X32 edit app.

    Bcf connected trough usb to pc, and in MC control mode.

    Being able to select  fader banks in User1 or User2, and have them be controlled by the bcf2000

    Not having to use third party software or other midi configering efforts to be made.

    What makes the Xair app different from the X32 app, besides the X32 has more faders...

     

    Anyone?

     

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    • Yuasasan
      Paul_Vannatto What do you mean by "selecting the faders to control in User1 or User2"?
      • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Yuasasan Not familiar yet with the way this forum works, made some remarks in my discussion, seems not the way to reply to you Paul... Hope you can reply...
        • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Paul_Vannatto No worries. We are all struggling with this "new fangled forum" interface. Each time they change interfaces, it seems to go from bad to worse.
        • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Yuasasan kinda like this Paul
        • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Yuasasan and this is what I 'd like to have implemented in the XR edit version
        • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Paul_Vannatto The X-Air Edit only reflects what is part of the X-Air firmware (in the console). There are many features of the X32 that are not part of the X-Air by design. As far as I know, there are no plans of increasing the midi functionality of the X-Air platform.
        • September 8, 2020
    • Yuasasan
      Yuasasan that would be a selection of inputs or control faders (like the master, matrixes or busses) to be custom layered. Making sense here?
      • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Yuasasan and not having matrixes in the xr18 is known, but hoped you got the idea of having custom fader control as x32 provides
        • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Paul_Vannatto Actually the X32 itself does not provide custom faders. The X32-Edit app (version 3.x and newer) does have a custom layer. The idea came from Mixing Station's custom layers. But that can't be implemented via midi. All apps (including X32-Edit, Mixing Station, Live Toolbox, etc.) communicates with the console via OSC protocol, not midi.
        • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Paul_Vannatto Only the new Wing have custom (User) layers built into the console.
        • September 8, 2020
    • Yuasasan
      Yuasasan faders in the pc (or Mac) edit version that is.. they will be reflected on the bcf that way
      • September 8, 2020
    • Yuasasan
      Yuasasan I would like to have the same interface option the X32 provides for handling external MIDI gearfor the XR18..
      • September 8, 2020
      • bcf2000 use in XR-edit
        Yuasasan I made some changes to my first entry, redifining my question...
        • September 10, 2020
    • Yuasasan
      Yuasasan it seems like this topic has been here for ages, what's the use of music tribe if behringer itself doesn't reply to this simple question.
      • September 13, 2020
  • Janetlaw
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-10-20

    How do I update the firmware on a Behringer 49?

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    FounaudLaurent
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2021-02-05
    Hello everybody.
    I am a singer guitarist and I use the X32 rack for bands or solo, in parallel a kemper rack for my guitars.
    Despite many attempts, the midi clocks of the two racks do not synchronize.
    I would like to be able to hit the tempo on the Kemper (master) and find the same on the X32 rack (slave).
    The connection is made with two midi cables.
    Do you have a solution?
    Maybe a midi-usb adapter like the
    Roland - UM-ONE mk2 | USB MIDI Interface.
    
    "Midi Kemper exit -
    Usb input X32 rack "?
    Clock source setting to Exp. Card.
    
    Thank you in advance for your answers.
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    chmieleslav
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-03-17

    Dear all, 

    My setup:

    - Brand new FCB1010 MIDI controller, firmware 2.50.1 E

    - Roland UM-ONE Mk2 MIDI-to-USB interface

    - Windows 10 PC

    - 3rd party software: MIDI-OX, FCB1010 Manager

    I started to manually program MIDI messages (notes) sent by the footswitches in order to control Ableton. The programming went well for footswitches 1 to 4 (test with MIDI-OX: OK, MIDI mapping in Ableton: OK). But when I programmed the footswitch 5, I noticed that the note programmed on footswitch 5 also got programmed on the footswitch 1 (it replaced the MIDI message that I initially set on footswitch 1). The same thing happened for the footwsitch 6 - its note also got programmed on the footswitch 2, etc. Then I factory reset my FCB1010 and read back all the presets with FCB Manager software. A strange pattern emerged (see attachment): the footswitches on my FCB1010 seem to be "routed" in pairs with offset 4 (5 is routed on 1, 6 is routed on 2, ...). I tried everything and it seems impossible to me to program these footswitches with different MIDI messages...   

    I would not blame the MIDI-to-USB interface for this: I get the same issue when I do the manual programming ("tapdance"), when the FCB1010 is not even connected to the PC. Even then I can tell what the result will be: manual note programming, footswitch 10 LED blinking, before I enter the new value the FCB1010 shows the old one (for ex. I program footswitch 1 with note 60 - OK, then I program footswitch 5 with note 64 - OK, then I want to program footswitch 1 again and the display "suggests the previous note" 64, which I never programmed on footswitch 1!).

    I also get the issue when I program MIDI messages via SysEx using FCB1010 Manager. 

    This happens with MIDI messages of different types: PC, CC, notes...

    Am I doing something wrong? Or is my FCB1010 broken?

    Thank you in advance for your help

    Piotr

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    • chmieleslav
      PedroRodrigues Hi chmieleslav please follow the link below to access a document that will guide you with a full set up for your FCB 1010. Please follow all the steps and confirm if your still have the same issues. To access the guide please follow the link below: https://wsi.li/dl/FDpsNvB6Afd44WjQg/
      • Mar 17
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    Elterwater2
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-13

    I am attempting to use the XR18 as an audio and MIDI interface with an Behringer FCB1010 foot controller; to control a plug in (in this case the Cory Wong Archetype) however this seems to be almost impossible as the product manuals lack information and there are no resources on the web to answer any questions.

    I am very new to MIDI  and I'm struggling to get this set up.

    The setup is:

    1. XR18 via acces point connected to XR Edit on Mac Book

    2. Guitar into XR 18 Channel 1

    3. USB from XR18 to Mac Book Pro (2019)

     -- --This works fine and connects to the Cory Wong Archetype plug in with the USB Returns of the XR18 set to AUX L/R sending the signal back into the AUX output

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    The FCB1010 is then connected to the XR18 - FCB 1010 MIDI OUT to XR18 MIDI IN - and XR18 MIDI OUT to FCB1010 MIDI IN

    The problem is that the XR18 does not recognise the FCB1010.  I have set the XR18 Audio/MIDI Setup to USB-DIN Pass Thru

    Firstly, is it possible to use the XR18 as a MIDI interface in this way? Or is an audio interface required?

    If it is, I'm aware that MIDI has to be on the same Channel, so I have set channel 01 on the FCB1010 but there is no guidance on how to set a MIDI channel on the XR18, so it is possible they may not be 'talking' to each other.

    Assuming this CAN be done - how do I then get the setup to control/change the Cory Wong Archetypeplug in? I am only looking for a stom-box type changer initially.

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    Any answers on this would be greatly appreciated.

     

     

     

     

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    • Elterwater2
      Paul_Vannatto Connecting "XR18 - FCB 1010 MIDI OUT to XR18 MIDI IN - and XR18 MIDI OUT to FCB1010 MIDI IN" with the XR18 USB/DIN Pass-Thru enabled means that what is tranmitted from the footpedal is returned to the footpedal. You need to connect the footpedal directly to the computer.
      • Jan 13
      • Behringer XR18 connectivity
        Elterwater2 Thanks for the reply Paul. I have a cable on the way to make that connection. I was curious to know though, if the XR18 itself could be used in the same way as an audio interface with DIN connections? If anyone knows?
        • Jan 14
      • Behringer XR18 connectivity
        Paul_Vannatto I think what you are trying to do is convert the MIDI in to the USB out, which does not work. The main purpose of the midi in the XR18 is to use midi devices control the XR18. The pass thru setting was added to allow the midi in to pass thru to the midi out . When that is enabled, midi control of the XR18 is disabled.
        • Jan 14
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    YiannisKan
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-11-30

    Guys I am looking for a manual or a video or directions on how to assign the fuction Buttons of my X touch One through Steinberg's Cubase !

    Best regards,

    John

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    • YiannisKan
      WilliamR Hello, here is a setup video for you.
      • November 30, 2020
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    • YiannisKan
      YiannisKan Thank you my friend but I have already seen this video and it does not answer my question ! This is a starting setup video. I am asking how to assign the 4 function button s of Xtouch one through Cubase. There is a video of the same guy showing this for Logic but not on Cubase!
      • November 30, 2020
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    fawudd
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-03-12

    On my new Macbook Pro M1 Big Sur, I am having the same symptoms as posted back in November by another X Touch 1 user. Fader at zero, no LEDs, blank scribble. Basically the X Touch is unrecognized and unusable. I am running the most current firmware 1.08. From what i have read, there is no Mac software/driver needed. Is anyone aware of a solution or is this still a Behringer technical issue?

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    • fawudd
      PedroRodrigues Hi fawudd, please consider that when it comes to updating to MacOS11 / Big Sur, this could lead to issues as our unit are not fully complaint.

      However, USB audio/MIDI function of our products is fully USB 2.0 compliant and should keep working under CoreAudio as before.

      The user must also consider that new Macs with Apple M1 (ARM-based) processors are not yet officially supported, the audio issues with M1 are purely Apple ‘s domain as this is caused by the new AMR architecture.
      For now, if you wish to use this unit you must downgrade your OSX version.
      Unfortunately, at this moment we cannot provide a time windows to when we will perform any update on our units.
      • Mar 24
    • fawudd
      fawudd Pedro, thanks for your response, but I am reading 2 different things. You are saying the unit is not fully compliant with Big Sur, but you are also saying that it should work just like any USB 2.0 compliant device. My X-Touch 1 device is not even recognized by the Macbook, but 7 of my older USB 2.0 devices are working without issue. It works fine when I connect back to my old windows laptop.
      • Mar 24
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    Stuker
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-05-05

    Any news about Bcr32?

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    • Stuker
      DavidKnighton Hello Stuker,
      No official updates yet on the BCR32. We announced the product in Jan. 2021, and that was merely 4 months ago. It will take a bit longer than a few months to bring the product to market, as it needs to go through several phases of development, manufacturing, and testing before the first units start shipping.
      • May 5
  • tvpRich
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-07-12
    So I own a new'ish Behringer X-Touch Compact. I've had it for a couple of months now but have not used it with exception of trying it several times at the beginning. I tried it on my Intel NUC Hades Canyon, connecting it via an old USB2 cable. Then a new cable. Then a USB3-to-2 cable, all with the same results. At first, everything seems to work okay, but then within several minutes and/or restarting the computer, many of the programmed faders and buttons forget their programming. I'm using the latest version of vMix now on my brand new Intel Quartz Canyon PC (with more than enough power to handle the X-Touch Compact controller). I've even downloaded a template that an expert from one of the X-Touch forums had, which works perfectly at first, but then experiences the exact same flaws as with my other computer. I've tried different sized cables, different power conditioners, no power conditioner, different USB ports, different programming methods, all to the exact same disastrous fate. ----- This is what happens... 1. I program or import a template. 2. The faders follow the audio faders on vMix screen.] 3. Within Several minutes, when I try to fade up (lets say fader #1), the #2 fader will follow (mechanically) the #1 fader. 4. Then, one of the buttons (completely random) just above the faders (which are programmed to solo each input) will not be turned on. No matter what I do, that button won't turn on. 5. Then I try a computer restart to see if this might clear things up. Nope, just gets worse. I turn up a random fader lets say # 6 (using vMix on-screen) then the mechanical fader will shoot straight down back to zero (at the far bottom). 6. Then fader #1 starts to always creep 10db lower than I keep setting it (all on its own). ----- I'm not sure, with who the problem is with. vMix? or with Behringer?
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