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  • Inveracity
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-09-19

    Heya, I'm considering buying the X32 Rack to build an in-ear monitor rack for my band, I want to know if what I want to do is possible with this mixer.
    Laptop will play backing track and click track
    Bass, Guitar left, Guitar right, Female singer and Male singer will go into XLR inputs 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5
    2 Wireless in-ear sender will be connected to AUX OUT 1 and 2, AUX OUT 1 should have a mix of everything including the click track, but AUX OUT 2 should not receive the click track.
    XLR OUT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 should go to Front of House for backing track, instruments and singers for the audio engineer to mix for the audience.
    The drummer will get the Headphones out for a complete mix including click track.
    Finally the drum mix will go back from the audio engineer into the X32 for drum monitoring.

    I'm including a diagram of the rig I'm putting together, I hope it makes sense.
    Is this even possible?
    Thanks

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    • Inveracity
      CraigFowler

      That's possible, with a couple of caveats.


      Firstly, if you're using the console essentially as a splitter to get signals to FOH, FOH will not have any preamp control.  This means that you need to set and forget your preamp gains at the start of the gig; if you start adjusting preamp gains mid-gig, not only will you change your own monitor mixes, you'll also change the level of the signals hitting FOH, which will annoy the FOH engineer.


      Secondly, if you're using the console's headphone out socket for the drummer's IEM, you're essentially sacrificing the console's solo functionality.  No one can solo any signal, or the drummer will get a surprise.  It would be better to run the drummer's headphones off an aux out socket instead, though you will need a headphone amp.


      Thirdly, going by your diagram, you're using the USB interface for a laptop instead of going analogue.  Due to the console's "blocks-of-8" routing limitation, in order to get signals from the laptop (USB) and instruments+vox (preamps) onto the 1 block of 8 XLR outs, you're going to need to tap from channel strips, rather than preamps.  The earliest tap point available for a channel strip is post HPF, so adjustments to the HPF on those channels will affect the signal hitting FOH (as will preamp gain, as discussed earlier.)


      PS, the console has enough buses and output sockets, so if you have enough cables, go stereo for your IEM mixes.  They'll sound clearer, which should mean you can play better.


      PPS, you mention a drum submix return from FOH back to your IEM mixer.  I presume that means you have drum mics sorted and being sent to FOH without using the X32 console.  You've got the inputs available on the console, so if you've got enough cables, try to get a stereo drum mix back; it'll be easier to mix into IEMs.  That said, TBH I'd seriously consider a couple of ART S8s (3-way instead of 2 way so you get both an input and an output on the front) to replace the P16 patchbay.  This way FOH gets preamp control negating caveat1, FOH gets signals straight off preamps instead of channel strips negating caveat#3, and you can mix drums into IEMs locally (instead of relying on a drum mix from FOH,) and you can send those drum sounds to FOH along with the rest of the signals instrument\vox signals.

      • September 19, 2019
    • Inveracity
      Inveracity

      Hey Craig, this is excellent information!

      To your first point, I was hoping that the signals going out to the FOH engineer could have their own levels set and the in-ear-mix coming from the AUX outs could have their own levels, but what I understand of what you're saying is that if I adjust the volume of the Bass, it adjusts the volume of the Bass for both AUX out 1, 2 and XLR out 3?

      Basically the first wireless sender is for our vocalists, and they would like a mix in their in-ears where their vocals are a little louder, the other wireless sender is for the bass player and guitar players where they get emphasis on their instruments, and finally the drummer should get a mix where the click is the loudest.

      The second, regarding the IEM for the drummer using an aux out, that's a good idea, but I assume that's going to be mono?

      Third, tapping from channel strips where the earliest available tap point is post HPF. I think I understand what this means but I'll definitely go read the manual to fully grasp this.

      Fourth, stereo for IEM mixes, I can't believe I didn't think of that. Definitely doing this.

      Fifth, Drum submix. Essentially at every gig we play, the venue provides a drumkit and drum mics and make their own mix that goes back to the stage monitors, we were planning on just getting a feed of that monitor mix directly into the X32 through to our in-ear monitors.

      Sixth, regarding the ART S8 3-way splitter, this is a great idea, it would indeed solve the problems you mention if its not possible to have a set levels going out of the XLR outputs and have different levels going out of the AUX outs. The patchbay was meant to only solve the problem of accessing the outputs easily from the rack. The only issue with this is that it's a lot more expensive and it blows my budget, but if it's absolutely necessary to make this work then I'll pursue it.

      This is incredibly helpful, thanks for taking the time to give so many details, it's much appreciated!

      • September 19, 2019
    • Inveracity
      CraigFowler

      Point1: You can adjust levels in your monitors without affecting the levels at FOH any time you like *provided you use the channel>bus level controls as opposed to the preamp gain control.*


       


      The problem is if you need to adjust preamp levels (gain.) Preamp gain affects the signal coming into the console, before it goes through any processing or to any monitors or outputs for FOH. The preamp gain will affect everything downstream of it (both IEMs and FOH,) *unless* you have a splitter (like the ART S8s I recommended later,) which splits the mic signal before it hits the console's preamps, allowing monitors to use their own preamps without affecting FOH, and FOH to use their own preamps without affecting monitors.


       


      If you don't have a splitter and you need to adjust *preamp* gain (not channel>bus level, but actual preamp gain) mid gig, that's when you could have an issue. If you're fairly consistant throughout the set you can generally set and forget preamps, and you won't have a problem. However if there are big changes to signal levels during or between songs (eg at some stage a guitarist invokes a wah pedal that boosts his signal by +20dB, or perhaps that's the setup you've already gained for and the guitarist then bypasses that pedal so his signal goes really quiet mid-gig,) you're going to want to adjust the preamp gain to accommodate that. If you're using a splitter, you can adjust your own preamps and FOH can adjust theirs without annoying each other. If you don't have a splitter, then FOH has to cope with your adjustments as and when you make them, so you need to communitcate well.


       


      Point2: You can stereo-link the buses on the X32 (in odd\even pairs.) You assign the left bus to one output socket (they're mono TRS balanced) and the right bus to another output socket. You have 6x TRS aux out sockets, so use 1+2 for IEM1, 3+4 for IEM2, and 5+6 for the drummer (he'll probably need a headphone amp.)


       


      Point3: Typically if you're sending a signal to multiple destintions (eg monitors, foh, recording, broadcast etc) you'd want to use the cleanest (as in no processing) signal possible. The means you tap as early in the signal chain as possible. That way each destination can have its own processing appropriate to that destination, and they won't impinge on each other. (Unless you use a splitter) the X32 is built such that if you want to mix different input types (eg USB+preamps) to 2 blocks-of-4 XLR outs (like those on the rear of the X32Rack) you can't tap straight off preamps, instead you have to tap off the channel strips, and the earliest tap point will involve the HPF processing.


       


      You can mix and match though, eg 4 signals could run straight off preamps for 4 XLR outs, and your remaining 3 (2x USB+ 1x preamp) would tap off channelstrips with HPF. The other workaround would be to use the preamp signals only (not the backing tracks from USB) on XLR outs, allowing you to tap straight off preamps for all 5 preamps in use, but then to get backing tracks to FOH you'd have to use the TRS aux outs. However this impinges on your stereo IEMs, unless the drummer goes back to using the headphone socket, but that sacrifices the console's solo ability.


       


      Point5: Fair enough if you're sure every gig you do will have a drum kit + drum mix return from FOH available for you. However as mentioned below, having your own splitters will be more flexible.


       


      Point6: You're correct that the S8s are more expensive (the 2-way ones as opposed to 3-way would be cheaper, but messier in terms of the outputs being at the back.) However using proper analogue splitters will make your setup a lot more flexible (though you will have to tune the drums in your own mixes rather than rely on FOH. You might also have to provide your own drum kit. It really depends on the venue.)


       


      Are you sure you need the feedback destroyer on the vocal mics? The console itself has a fair bit of processing power that you shouldn't need it. Perhaps getting rid of it could offset the cost of the S8s?

      • September 19, 2019
    • Inveracity
      Inveracity

      point1: Aha! The preamp, sorry I didn't catch that at first as you noticed, I understand the issue this presents, but the idea is to put the preamps into the rack at a set level and never have it change essentially, so that should be okay. I see the issue with the guitar pedals, especially when turning a pedal off and on etc, but I think we can work that out hopefully. Eventually I hope to have the Line6 HX Stomp boxes change presets on Midi trigger events from the laptop.

      Point2: Cool with the stereo linking, this all makes perfect sense!

      Point3: Let each destination have its own processing, gotcha. 
      Thanks for all the details on this, it's all very new to me so I'll research all this based on the details you've provided here, there's a lot to learn here!

      Point 5 and 6: I'm very hooked on the idea of the S8 3-way splitter, it looks like it's the best option, so I'll try and work that in. The feedback destroyer is a unit we already own in the band, so I figured we'd use it either way. And regarding the drums, in the event that we can't get a feed from the FOH mix for the drums, my idea is to put a microphone near the drumkit and hope for the best, or simply rely on the drums going to stage monitors.

      Thanks a lot for all this information, you're a hero for taking the time to answer all these question, this has been extremely informative, all that's left to do now is order the whole lot and get to work
      I'm sure I'll be back with more questions once I start digging into setting all this up!

      • September 20, 2019
    • Inveracity
      CraigFowler

      Edit:


      Addition to point3: Another workaround is to have the one preamp feed multiple channels (a "virtual y-split,") given you've got so many spare.



      eg Bass feeds preamp1, preamp1 feeds ch1, ch1 has 0 processing and a DirectOut (post HPF) is sent to FOH. Preamp1 also feeds ch2, and you can dial in whatever processing makes the bass sound good in your monitors. This means you can not engage the HPF on ch1 and give FOH an essentially clean signal, but you can tune the HPF on ch2 to suit your IEMs without changing the signal being sent to FOH.


       


      In fact, given how many spare channels you've got and how few inputs you're using, depending on how involved people wanted to get in mixing monitors, you could y-split everything multiple times. Ch1-8 only feeds IEM1, and has processing that suits IEM1, ch9-16 only feeds IEM2 with processing that suits IEM2, ch17-24 only feeds the drummer's IEMs, ch25-32 is direct outs for FOH with 0 process so FOH gets a clean signal.


       


      Yeah... you have a lot of options.

      • September 20, 2019
  • sasi
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-09-05

    Hello, everyone, I'm new here

    I have a few questions about the x32 edit and routing :

    1.  when trying to build a scene on the app when routing the input to aes50 A I don't have an option to engage phantom power from the channel?Screen Shot 2019-09-05 at 12.17.42.pngScreen Shot 2019-09-05 at 12.17.20.png
    2. where can I enable the phantom power and set the gain properly? 

    this is my setup: x32 core-> aes a50 to S16 A port -> S16 B port to SD8 A aes50 input 

    thanks for your help

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    • sasi
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @sasi 


      Welcome to the forum. The reason that you are not getting the phantom control (first screenshot) is that you probably have a sync issue with your stagebox (AES50 A). If you are not connected to the physical input (eg. no sync), you won't have control of the preamp and the phantom control will not appear. Also you will only have a trim control (rather than gain control).


       

      • September 5, 2019
  • Garends
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-26

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    Hello!

    I am the sound tech for a church in Colorado. 

    We setup all our equipment two hours before our weekly meeting, and try to setup for sound check in 30 minutes.

    I have been using a TP-Link C50 router to allow our on stage musicians to mix their bus via iPhones/iPads.

    Here my problem, I’ve been having issues acquiring a good IP address from my router.

    Issue 1) I have to plug and unplug the Ethernet cable about 3-6 times before the Ethernet activity light will appear on both the X32 and the router. I have tried different cables and I am using a CAT5e.

    Issue 2) If using DHCP, about 80 percent of the time I get this goofy self assigned IP address shown in the photo attachment.

    I have tried to reserve an IP (192.168.0.100) for the MAC address of the X32 on the router, and that seemed to help slightly.

    I have tried assigning a static IP to the board, but with little success. I had the thought of assigning a high number (192.168.0.120) in case  the iPhones/iPads are conflicting with the X32.

    I saw that DHCP functionality was added in a forward update later on (around 2016?).

    I need to be able to assign an IP address quickly, since our setup time is about 30 minutes, and I spend about 15 of it on getting a good IP address.

    I am planning on calling Behringer to see if I may have a bad networking card, I am also wondering if a different brand of router would help.

    Has anyone had this issue?

     

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    • Garends
      RexBeckett

      @Garends 


      Hello Graham, welcome to the forum.


       


      The X32 will use a self-assigned IP address if the router does not respond to its DHCP request. This can happen if the router has not completed its startup procedure. It helps to power-up the router first and give it time to stabilize before starting the X32.


       


      Using a fixed IP address for the mixer is usually good in sound systems. Make sure to assign an address that is outside the range that the router uses for DHCP. The limits for this are part of the router's configuration so can be changed if necessary. It may confuse the router if it has a reserved IP address as well as a static one for the same MAC so try deleting the reservation.

      • August 26, 2019
    • Garends
      Garends

      @RexBeckett 


      Thanks! I will try both of those solutions tomorrow.

      • August 26, 2019
    • Garends
      ton-toni

      Hi,


       


      I also have the described DHCP / Network-Problem:


      1) I first tried (lazy as I am) the DHCP setting and received nonsense values for IP and SUBNET... other devices in my network have no problems with the connection via DHCP


      2) I assigned an static IP out of the DHCP-Range of my Router... and NOTHING...


      I also have the problem, that I have to put in and out the cable several times to get the lights lit on the router and device ...


       


      Has anyone an idea? Otherwise I'll request my "30 days money back" next week...

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      • November 21, 2019
    • Garends
      GaryHiggins

      @ton-toni What model router? What ip do you have to use when logging into the router itself to set it up?

      • November 21, 2019
    • Garends
      ton-toni

      Hi


      Primary gateway is a Fritzbox -> after that a 19" router from HP for all the clients in the house


      The gateway is 192.168.178.1 / Subnet 255.255.255.0


      The range of the DHCP of the router is from 192.168.178.1 to 192.168.178.200


      When I switched the X32 to DHCP it received 169.254.86.80 / Subnet 255.255.0.0 Why? I don't know...


      After that I tried static with 192.168.178.220 - but I can't find the rack in the network (not listed in the "connected devices" of the FritzBox)


       

      • November 21, 2019
  • artmantommie21
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-29

    this Past Saturday i tried connecting my m32 to the dl251 and it did not work. i called a production company and thay told me that i have to update the firmwre on the dl251. so i went online search for the midas i/o updater tool, and i didnt find anything.

    i followed the steps to select the correct button settings and still it did not connect. my console was seeing the stage box, and it kept on flashing on the console.

    if you see the image below the sections where it would show the connection of the stage box, on A for instance, it came up as dl25x, but the little box to the left of the A lit up red and not green.

    on the stage box can the ethernet control port be connect to a wireless router or does it have to be directly connected to a laptop.

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  • MichaelVincentd
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-22

    Hello guys,

    i have dbx 4800 ,m32,dl32..

    I  want to setup my 4800 together with dl32 on side stage,my question is it possible to patch the dl32 and 4800 into one router switch and run through a cat5 cable into FOH booth..and patch again the m32 and my laptop into another router.

    ..just like what I draw...

    thanks a lot 

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    • MichaelVincentd
      DaveMorrison

      Hi @MichaelVincentd 


      AES50 is not ethernet. Only the connectors and cable are the same. It will not not work through a router and cannot connect to any ethernet port.


      Sound is not sent from the Network (ethernet) port on the M32.


       

      • June 22, 2019
    • MichaelVincentd
      MichaelVincentd

      Any advice sir..?.because I want my dbx 4800 to use its audio architect.do I need separate cat5 cable for 4800 and midas m32-dl32.

      • June 23, 2019
    • MichaelVincentd
      DaveMorrison Yes, you'll need a separate cable for each. Remember you should have a shielded (STP) cat 5 cable with bonded ethercon connecters for the M32/DL32.
      • December 1, 2020
  • pekner
    Triber Moderator
    2019-03-14

    Today we visit our customer Hyrljudet Sydväst AB, a supplier of sound, light & stage technology in Gothenburg Sweden. Thank you Kristoffer for your valuable insights into your daily work and projects! ?Sound Dream TeamSound Dream Team

     

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  • pekner
    Triber Moderator
    2019-03-08

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    We are proud to announce that the new Lake Controller v6.8 is now released and available for download.

     

    New features include:
    Input Configuration Summary
    Global Input Router Priority Control
    Warning when NOT on Input Priority 1
    Dante Domain Manager (DDM) Ready
    Global control for Dante Device Name and IP Config
    Power Cycle available from LakeUpdate

     

    To download:

    http://downloads.music-group.com/software/labgruppen/LakeController_v6_8_0_86.zip

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