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  • New
    KeithBrown
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-02-08

    Hi folks. I glanced over at my X32 Compact mixer and saw this error message. Any idea what it means?

     

     

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    • KeithBrown
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Keith, are you using an external app? The error message is saying that it received an OSC command with a value (or values) that was too long. When I was first developing Live Toolbox, I got that message quite frequently.
      • February 7, 2021
    • KeithBrown
      KeithBrown All I'm using is X32 Edit. I think it's the most recent one but not sure how to tell.
      • February 7, 2021
    • KeithBrown
      Paul_Vannatto Ok, then just reboot. In all likelihood it was just a fluke.
      • February 7, 2021
    • KeithBrown
      KeithBrown Thanks, Paul. I should have mentioned that I have seen this once before a couple of months ago. It doesn't seem to have affected anything negatively. If I close the message everything seems to be working normally. I guess I won't start to worry until there's smoke coming out of the mixer. :)
      • February 7, 2021
  • New
    Behringer
    Triber Moderator
    2021-01-28
    WING-DANTE
    bit.ly/Behringer-WING-DANTE

    Instantly makes your WING ready for integration into current Dante/AES67 installations, ensuring reliable sound in large venues such as convention centers, churches or concert halls using standard Ethernet switches.

    List Price: $499

    #Behringer #WINGDANTE #Mixers #Digital #ExpansionCard
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    -mjk-
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2021-01-26

    This has been driving me crazy. When I recall a scene, the X32 changes to the layers that were current when I saved the scene. Checking the scene data elements, "/-stat-chfaderbank" is not found, and no reference to the layers are found in the Safes section either. I don't know where this data is coming from, but it's not necessary and causes issues. If I happen to be on layer 2 after making an adjustment and saving the scene,  loading that scene will cause the layer to change back to 2 upon loading.  This happens on both sections of the console.  If this is an undocumented feature, I sure would like to turn it off. It causes undue wear on the faders. I would like to load a scene and have the console layer remain where it is. As one can imagine, any external software that uses scene save/recall is adversely affected by unnecessary layer changes. I'm posting about this here so I can make sure that I'm not wrong about this, before posting to Trello. Looking forward to comments. Thanks.

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    • -mjk-
      PedroRodrigues Hi -mjk-, the best option for this matter is to submit a Tech Support ticket via MUSIC TRIBE COMMUNITY so we can assist you with more tools. For that please follow the link below https://community.musictribe.com/pages/create-new-ticket?type=Technical%20Support&brand=Behringer Thank you
      • January 25, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Thanks Pedro. Or, I could just wait until someone looks at their console and confirms or denies my findings. I don't see the need for a support ticket just yet.
        • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        RexBeckett Hi -mjk-, it may depend on how scenes are saved - and possibly the firmware version. Looking at a few that have been saved directly on a console, I can see console state commands in some recent ones. For example, these lines are from the end of a scene recently posted for trouble-shooting:

        /-stat/selidx Ch02

        /-stat/chfaderbank 0

        /-stat/grpfaderbank 2

        /-stat/sendsonfader OFF

        /-stat/bussendbank 0

        /-stat/eqband 0

        /-stat/userbank 0

        /-stat/dcaspill 0
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        • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Yes, I see it right there. Wow Rex, thank you for posting this. According to the data elements listed in Patrick's OSC document, that shouldn't be recorded as part of a scene file. However, you may have hit upon what's going on. I don't recall the X32 doing this until recently, so it may either be the fact that I haven't had a workflow situation that exposed this behavior, or, it's different now.
        • January 26, 2021
    • -mjk-
      Paul_Vannatto Hi mjk, what you have discovered is something new. Previously any /-stat, /-prefs, etc. type of command were not only not saved as part of a scene, they were ignored if manually added. What is interesting is that these commands are only saved from the console and not from X32-Edit (just checked), meaning that these OSC command additions are in flux. I would think that Patrick will get it sorted out and update his document eventually.
      • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Thank you Paul! This had been driving Patrick and I nuts because AutoMate uses the console's internal scene saving mechanism to set an initial starting scene for an automated mix. Every time I press RTZ the fader bank changes. I suppose there may be a use for this information to be saved/recalled, however I think it should be optionally available on the Safes menu. I also noticed in the scene that Rex posted, apparently the state of the Sends on Faders is recorded. That's the next thing I'm gonna test to see if that is also recallable.
        • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        Paul_Vannatto Well Patrick has been driven nuts before during the OSC documentation and has figured everything out eventually - and we are the ones that have benefited. As my dad use to say "You don't have to be crazy to work here... but it helps"
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        • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Lol! Patrick can attest that I'm one of the people driving him nuts! Paul, in your opinion, is this something that should be addressed? Should this be added to the Safes? Is this a bug, or a feature? Before I filll out a form on Trello, I'd like to know your take on this too. Thank you.
        • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        Paul_Vannatto I'll ask one of the developers to get his take on these additions. Since Patrick is also part of the beta testing team, he can also ask and/or advise. They probably added these commands without an understanding of any adverse affects.

        Regarding adding to the Safes, if you've read any of my past posts, you will know how much I detest safes and avoid them at all cost. I'd rather create a snippet to do the same thing and know exactly what is being changed. Also, there isn't much room left on those Safe screens to add much of anything IMO.
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        • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Thank you Paul. Not, I'm not familiar with your position on Safes, but I see your point and I agree with you. I work very closely with Patrick on the AutoMate project, but sometimes I wish I was on the X32 beta team too, as I use the X32 exclusively in the studio and apparently my implementation of the console in my studio is somewhat unique (but totally logical from my analog studio perspective). I don't use the Reaper Master Bus, and do all interfacing - that is recording and monitoring, in the X32 with Dante. Behind the scenes (pardon the pun!) Patrick and I have been discussing this layer save/recall issue for weeks. We came to the conclusion that something was different somehow and that led me to starting this discussion. The addition of the commands is cool if you know about them, but, as I said, while using AutoMate, I've had my elbow on the desk a few times and had the faders jump when the layer changed unexpectedly. Forceful resistance to a motorized fader is a very bad thing. Fortunately an X32 is a bit more forgiving than some of the legacy consoles!
        • January 26, 2021
    • -mjk-
      PatrickGMaillot Hello,

      For one someone will have to teach me how this forum works. I knew MJ had posted something, I search for it with "X32 Scene" or "X32 load scene" and the forum tells me there's no subject like this!!!; I finally asked MJ for a direct link. Oh Well...

      Yes this drove both MJ and myself nuts, He telling me the AutoMate SW was creating issues, me not able to find why, and on top of that my X32 is too far for a direct debug of the program, making the issue impossible to find precisely. The only thing I could think of was a difference between scenes as they are represented as a file, and the internal scenes, as they are loaded using the /load OSC command.

      And as far as I can tell, if this is something new (with 4.03, or 4.04?), it for sure was not announced as a change by Behringer. [If someone spotted it somewhere, please let me know, I'll be happy to present excuses].
      So, is it a bug, or is it the expected (new) behavior?

      At a minimum, when a change of that nature is introduced, there should be a safe bit/tag to ensure retro-compatibility can be maintained by setting that safe/bit accordingly. Here, I can envision applications such as Palladium, AutoMate, and several others that could be impacted, creting minor issues (as it is the case with AutoMate), but that could be more problematic, especially in live situations.

      Thanks a lot RexBeckett for the list of tags that show up with the newer implementation (so it seems at the moment) of the internal scene management.

      I'll try to gather confirmation and some elements to keep the X32 document up to date.

      And yes, MJ deserves to be a beta tester! He spends a lot of time using the AutoMate program and using the X32 as a studio user :)
      -Patrick
      • January 26, 2021
    • -mjk-
      Paul_Vannatto Welcome to the "nut farm" Patrick. And if nothing is driving you crazy, this "new fangled" forum will very quickly. The best way to find what is currently posted is to click on the Tribes, Our Products and Solutions, Products. Then after waiting awhile for it to load, select the Recently Updated First (sort on left side).

      Regarding the added OSC commands, I did notice these awhile back, but didn't think much of it, other than it surprised me since the scenes before wouldn't even recognise them.

      MJK, one thing you can do is to export your scenes to files (on the console). Then manually remove the /-stat lines that are giving you problems. Then save that scene to a file and reimport to the console. Another option is to use X32-Edit to load these scenes, since it doesn't yet use these commands (as far as I know, since when I export to a scene file, these /-stat lines are not included).
      • January 26, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Thanks Paul. Patrick and I were discussing how to manage this in AutoMate. It looks like he's going to have to filter those lines out because it would be impractical to work around it any other way. I only have 2 scenes stored in my console, but I have about 75 mixes saved with AutoMate.
        • January 26, 2021
    • -mjk-
      PatrickGMaillot Using the following workaround:
      -keep track of the bank chosen by the user at the console
      -restoring said bank right after the /load command has been executed
      proved a bad idea: The channels faders show a big jump, so not acceptable from a user experience point of view.
      Although the above was somewhat expected, but I still wanted to try.
      -P.
      • January 29, 2021
      • X32 Load Scene Function Loads Layer Change Also
        -mjk- Now the question is, how long before it gets put back the way it was?
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        • January 29, 2021
  • New
    Roblof
    Volunteer Moderator
    2021-01-22

    Exciting news!


    Wing Dante has been publicly released to the distribution channels today. Distributors should be able to start placing orders now if everything goes as planned.

    After that you need to wait for that slow boat from China before you can get it into your hands ;-)

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    • Roblof
      DavidKnighton This is truly great news Robert. I've had many inquiries on when this would be available.
      • January 22, 2021
    • Roblof
      GaryHiggins Sign me up!!
      • January 22, 2021
    • Roblof
      PatrickGMaillot I'll wait for the internal one.... Not giving up the WLive.
      • January 23, 2021
      • Wing Dante Card update
        GaryHiggins Certainly a big trade off I agree. I don't really want to either but the lure is intoxicating! I have an X-Dante card now that can freely go into any of my other mixers which opens up a world of possible. I would likely end up selling W-Dante and going internal when the time comes. I can put the X-Dante in my M32R and put the X-Live card in my Core connected via aes50 and get 32 sd tracks that way…and 96 sync’d ch’s of Dante with the Wing/M32 combo…and then there’s the Dante virtual sound card and the old DAW…I probably should wait but I probably won’t :-)
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        • January 24, 2021
    • Roblof
      georgecollins94 Any news on a MADI card?
      • January 24, 2021
      • Wing Dante Card update
        Roblof No, not yet. It was said once that dante and soundgrid were the first ones to come, but who knows...
        • January 24, 2021
  • New
    Delaine1979
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-21

    x air 12 -

    off a kindle 

    signal in Chan 1 - no volume 

    what is it ? 

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    • Delaine1979
      LuukvanKuipers No idea about what you mean.
      • January 21, 2021
    • Delaine1979
      Paul_Vannatto What app are you using?
      • January 21, 2021
      • X air 12 no volume
        DavidKnighton Must be the android app from Music Tribe. They're on a Kindle.
        • January 21, 2021
      • X air 12 no volume
        Paul_Vannatto It looks like version 1.0, which was a port of X32 Mixing Station back in 2015. The reason I asked was because I was wondering if it was the monitor app which does not have full access (gain, etc.)
        • January 21, 2021
    • Delaine1979
      DavidKnighton Hello Delaine,
      I do see a faint amount of signal on channel 1 & 2, and it looks like your gates are on. You probably need to loosen up the gates, turn them off, maybe even boost the preamp on channel 1 & 2.
      • January 21, 2021
  • New
    Rockbanger
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-16

     

    I'm trying to use my XR 18 with Reaper for recording. Youtube videos recommend setting up the Device by changing the Audio settings in the Device settings in Reaper to ASIO and the driver to X18 ASIO Driver.
     
    However i have searched the web for an X18 ASIO driver without success. The only thing i found was ASIO4ALL v2 which only provides HD Audio Mic input not 18 to 18 inputs and 2 to 2 out.
     
    Where can i get the X18 ASIO Driver download please?
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    • Rockbanger
      RexBeckett To download the X18 ASIO drivers, click on Software at the right side of the product page: https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0AWZ

      Scroll down to the bottom of the list for the latest version of the Windows driver (4.59).
      • January 16, 2021
    • Rockbanger
      Paul_Vannatto Before installing the X18 ASIO drivers (that Rex has provided the link), uninstall the ASIO4ALL, It could interfere with the proper drivers performance.
      • January 16, 2021
  • New
    Cirrus747
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-15

    Here is a look at the iPhone mount for the Wing mixer. We may start making them if anyone is interested 858 229 0060 

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    • Cirrus747
      Cirrus747 We I’ll also make them for iPads and also a version that will mount and uncounted easy to pack the Wing up.
      • January 15, 2021
    • Cirrus747
      Paul_Vannatto How does the mount attach to the Wing?
      • January 15, 2021
      • We made some iPhone ipad mounts for the Wing mixer
        PatrickGMaillot Probably using the screws available underneath the desk. Another way is to print a support that 'snaps/holds' to the thickness of the desk so you can easily remove it if your desk is in a flightcase. 3D printer!
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        • January 16, 2021
      • We made some iPhone ipad mounts for the Wing mixer
        Paul_Vannatto Yes my thoughts exactly (3D printed design that snaps on the side)
        • January 16, 2021
      • We made some iPhone ipad mounts for the Wing mixer
        PatrickGMaillot gave me an idea... just printed this afternoon... 30mn job.
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        • January 16, 2021
    • Cirrus747
      Cirrus747 No it’s just powder coated aluminum. Attaches under side with original screws. Will also make a quick disconnect so you can pack the wing back up with it not attached
      • January 16, 2021
  • New
    austinluce16
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-01-12

    Hi all,

    About to purchase an X32 for a venue.

    The distance from where the X32 will be located to where the stage box will be located is near the upper limits of 300ft. 

    I am wondering if I can install something like this photo below for the AES ports:

    And then I would use something like this:

     

    Kinda looking for help on if this is feasible to do for the stage box since the converter boxes are supposed to just convert 1:1 from Ethernet signal to fiber that it shouldn't change the packets but I'm not sure and didn't know if there was anyone out there who has done this sort of thing?

     

    thanks for the help!

     

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    • austinluce16
      RexBeckett I'm afraid that this will not work. AES50 does not conform to Ethernet standards so cannot be passed through standard Ethernet converters. Klark Teknik offer some products that will convert or extend AES50. The DN9610 Repeater/Extender may be sufficient for your application.
      • January 12, 2021
    • austinluce16
      DavidKnighton Hello Austin,
      You can not use generic IP equipment with AES50. The appropriate device to transmit AES50 over fiber is a pair of Klark Teknik DN9620 or a pair of Klark Teknik DN9680.
      • January 12, 2021
    • austinluce16
      MtnSoundandStage

      Ha, I just today tried to connect with the exact same gear shown and it didn’t work. I’m now looking for what I need. Wish I saw this before I bought.

      • June 30, 2021
  • New
    PRiZM
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-18

    Does anyone know where to get the replacement touchscreens. I need one it got smashed. Total Disaster I know but I need to buy the replacement.. ? thanks.. 

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    • PRiZM
      RexBeckett Hi Jay, I think your best option is to open a Care ticket for this.

      At the top of this page, click Support then scroll down and select Parts. Make sure that you enter all required (*) data before clicking Submit. The Care team will respond by email.
      • December 18, 2020
  • New
    Behringer
    Triber Moderator
    2020-12-17

    On stage for a small club gig or in a recording setup, the best place will often be right at your microphone stand. It avoids unnecessary cable clutter and keeps the control surface of your FLOW mixer permanently accessible.

    List Price: $19

    #Behringer #FLOWCLAMP #Mixers #Accessories
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