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    JsunTyler
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-09-30

    I made the mistake of shutdown and update before a show. I know I am not sure why but this was a huge mistake because at the show I discovered my usb audio driver for xlive was not working anymore. I lost the battle at the show of trying to figure this out but now I am home and still having issues.

    Ableton

    I use ableton to send click tracks into x32rack which support helped me figure out the routing sometime ago. After the update ableton would say it could not open the xlive audio driver. After rebooting, checking cables I did not get the error but no signal was being sent back to the rack via card routing anymore

    PC

    On my windows laptop for outputs it shows xlive but no audio is passing through

    M32C

    I also connect a m32c on this same laptop which uses the same scene as attached and it works no problem so I am at a loss on this one

    Things I have tried to resolve this issue

    Uninstalled as many updates as my laptop would allow

    Uninstalled xlive driver and reinstalled several times

    Gone through Regedit and removed any behringer references and reinstall xlive v4.59.0 driver

    Tried various usb cables to see if that was the issue

    When testing the audio driver in windows alone the tone does register audio from xlive drive

    Other applications do not work with xlive audio that use to such as ableton and Adobe Audition

    restored my laptop back as far as I could which was 6/19

     

     

     


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    • JsunTyler
      Paul_Vannatto You say you updated before you had issues. But you didn't say what you updated - X32 Rack firmware, X-Live drivers, Windows OS, Ableton, etc.
      • Sep 30
    • JsunTyler
      JsunTyler

      What is really strange about this is how is M32C working properly on the same laptop? Why would windows choose to treat the driver differently when I only have the xlive driver installed? There are now windows drivers for midas that i have installed.

      • Oct 1
    • JsunTyler
      Paul_Vannatto Does the M32C have the DN32 card or the DN32-Live card installed? Does the X32 Rack have the X-USB card or the X-Live card installed? Each card uses its own USB drivers. So if the M32C has the DN32-Live card and the X32 Rack has the X-Live card, you need separate drivers for each.
      • Oct 1
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    hamiltdf
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-08-22

    I am relatively new user of the digital mixer.  I have most things set up well but can only get sound to come out the phone output, nothing from the mains or the bus.  I have watched videos and learned quite a few things but none of them have solved this problem.  THis is for a small chruch setup that has a couple microphones and a few instruments.  I have save a scene and attached to this.  If anyone has a suggestion or can see what i am missing (i am sure it is simple) please let me know.

    Thanks!

    Dan


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    • hamiltdf
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Dan, thanks for attaching your scene file - makes troubleshooting so much easier. The reason why you are hearing only out of the headphones and not out of the Main LR and buses is that all 8 inputs (inputs 9-16 are off in Routing, Inputs screen) are muted and headphone solo is set to pre-fader (before the fader and mute).
      Also
      * channel mutes mute both the sends to the Main LR and to the buses.
      * channels 1, 7, 8 do not go to any of the 3 buses (Floor L, Floor Ctr, Floor R)
      * channels 1-3 main faders are all the way down.
      * all routing seems to be correct.
      • Aug 22
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    WadeGibbs
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-06-12

    Hello, new user trying to understand some basic signal flow through the XR18, I have attached a PDF with three screenshots showing faders and where I think they are on the block diagram if a more experienced user could take a look and see if I am on the right track that would be greatly appreciated. One additional question is where the green labeled FX returns tie in on the block diagram.  Thanks in advance.

    Wade 


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    • WadeGibbs
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Wade, first 2 are correct. The third (Pan) is not correct. Channel pan is in the CH 1-16 signal strip , far right (PAN LR). FX Returns are a separate signal strip below the CH 1-16 and Stereo LINE IN LR strips.
      • Jun 12
    • WadeGibbs
      WadeGibbs Paul, thanks for the response, on the fx returns I couldn't see the forest for the trees. In the Main Stereo section where is the Balance fader in the block diagram. Thanks Wade
      • Jun 12
    • WadeGibbs
      Paul_Vannatto Using X-Air Edit, the balance control is just above the scribble strip on the Main LR strip (far right), just like the pan control on a standard channel strip.
      • Jun 12
    • WadeGibbs
      WadeGibbs Thanks again Paul.
      • Jun 12
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    Douglas_Marsh
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-06-03

    Flow 8 seems to fill a weird nitch that seems pretty cool and so far I like it. The routing options are a little limited and hopefully a firmware update could add a minor thing (see below).

    As an overgrown audio interface will fit a need for those that end up using software monitoring as now you can monitor in the mixer side the the interface (for "zero"* latency monitoring, *=it's digital so it has an ever slow slight A/D->D/A conversion).

    The Android/iOS app is nice, perhaps somebody might work on a desktop version that connects via BlueTooth. (Android emulators are a thing, not sure how BT would be handled tho). -- I see it has MIDI interface could provide alternate ways for a desktop app to control it and saw some docs on the MIDI commands one can use with it.

    The number one thing it should have (there is already another post about this) to have even more applications would be a gate function on the four mic inputs at least.

    Setting up mix minus output can be done by routing the Mon1/2 to the USB Line 7/8 (or 5/6) via cables*, but having this as an option for routing in firmware would make that simpler. *=cables means potiential for feedback as channel 7/8 can be routed back to MON1/2 ... where as sending USB 7/8 from either Analog input (pre-fader) or from Mon1/2 output(pre/post fader) would make this simpler and easier to avoid.

    There apparently is no way to solo an input from the control surface (must have Android/iOS App). I would suggest pressing [Main] (if not already selected) then tapping on the [Select/Adjust] encoder to toggle from displaying the FX1/FX2 to SOLO select and then rotate the encoder to select which input to solo in the headphones directly.

    In the Recording mode (10x4) the 10 inputs are all prefader including 9/10 (Main LR Pre). In Streaming mode (2x4) the 2 inputs is post fader (Main LR Post). It would be nice to have the Main LR send to the computer (both Recording Mode and Streaming Mode) be adjustable Pre or Post fader independent of which mode.

    Aside from that, it will fit a nitch need in various circles for me where a full blown XR18 or X32 are overkill (not to mention take up more space).

    I did however run into an issue trying to run the firmware update (SimplyPUT_Linux_64-Bit.zip). It recognized when the mixer was or was not plugged in, but failed to put the mixer into DFU (Device Firmware Update) mode. Ended up using windows (and spent hours running updates before I could update the Flow 8 / as I rarely power on windows). Not sure if this is a known issue and a simple udev fix (guessing) is all that is needed. I poked at the USB device list and saw the "bInterfaceClass 254:Application Specific Interface/bInterfaceSubClass 1:Device Firmware Update"

    For those that live in Linux land and use Jack, it shows up as 10x4 or 2x4.. Under PulseAudio one would need to make use of the remapper module for PulseAudio. My script I've updated for when I connect Pulse to XL18/X32 (attached as PDF as TXT files are not allowed).

     


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    Medina
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-05-28

    Buenos dias. Se pueden aplicar efectos internos independientes a cada canal en la mesa Xenyc QX1832USB?


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    nightmarer
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2021-02-22

    Hello.

     

    I've been trying to setup my Behringer x32 core for bradcasting in Twitch, Zoom, Facebook or whatever, but I'm don't know how to do it.

    All the guides I've followed about the rest of x32 devices are useless as they tell you how to do it through the screen menu, which is different to what I have in x-32 edit application.

    I'm not able to do it using another way than x32 edit.

    When I am selecting the audio device I'm only able to select 1-2 (Behringer X-USB) as input (then I'm just able to send what it is on input 1 or 2), or an output (just the sound comming from any application out of my DAW). Then I'm not able to select what I want to send to the output. In my mixer I don't have a bus which is sent part of the information.

    I have attached the scene. How can I do it?


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    • nightmarer
      RexBeckett Hello nightmarer, are you running Windows on your PC? This will limit apps that don't support ASIO to two channels. There are two steps required to set the USB 1/2 output that you require. The attached screenshots are from X32 Edit:

      On the Routing -> Out 1-16 tab, select the required source buses in rows 1 and 2. I have shown these as Mixbus 1/2 but they can be any bus.

      On the Routing -> Card tab, select Out 1-8 as the source for Card outputs 1-8.

      It is not clear from your scene if you are using Out 1-8 for some other purpose. If so, you could use the Ultranet table instead. Select the source buses on Routing -> Ultranet rows 1 and 2. Select Ultranet 1-8 on the Routing -> Card tab for outputs 1-8.
      • Feb 22
      • x32-core for broadcasting
        nightmarer Thank you so much, it totally worked!!
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    • nightmarer
      nightmarer You are a god sent. Thank you so much for this, it totally worked.
      • Feb 22
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    RexBeckett
    Superhero - Level 3
    2021-02-21

    Following the purchase of a Flow 8 Digital Mixer, I set about learning how it worked – from a user’s perspective. This was done by connecting audio test equipment to the inputs/outputs and observing the effect of each of the controls on the various outputs. The results allowed the creation of an apparent signal paths diagram. The original diagram has been updated to reflect the Flow 8 functionality with firmware V11739. Earlier and later firmware releases may have different signal paths.

    The diagram is not part of any official documentation and is just intended to help users understand how the various controls affect the operation of this great little digital mixer.

    Edit: Diagram revised to correct pre-fader signal taps in Main and Mon buses. (22 Feb 2021)

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    djsuperdock
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-02-10

    Here is my current setup with these components: 

    2 Behringer s16s daisy chained together, then connected to FOH x32 via the first s16's AES50-A port (2nd s16 is set to "out +8" mode).

    Playback laptop on stage using Klark Teknik DN9630 connected via ethernet to the open AES50-B port on the 2nd s16 unit.

    Routing at the x32 console has all inputs set to AES50-A. The first 24 inputs are set to AES50-A 1-24.

    Then, interestingly, to find the inputs coming from the Klark Teknik interface, the last 8 inputs are set to AES50-A 32-40. So AES50-A 25-32 are skipped over which is fine with our setup - all of our physical instruments can be connected to those first 24 inputs. 

    My question is this - I want to get more than 8 channels from the laptop to the x32. I figured that I could simply use the Aux-Ins on the console - by setting the aux-in to "user 1-6" and then defining those user inputs to AES50-A 41-46 (picking up where the other channels were coming in). But when do this AND set up my laptop to send more channels, I am not getting anything at FOH. 

    Any thoughts about what I could be doing wrong? 

     


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      DavidKnighton Hello djsuperdock,
      Would you be able to upload your scene or provide a link to where we can download and take a peek at your routing setup first hand? I have too many questions to ask, and it would be easier to just glance at the routing. Then I could feasibly pinpoint your issue.
      • Feb 10
      • Klark Teknik DN9630 interface -- Behringer s16 -- Behringer x32 Ecosystem Question
        djsuperdock I'm not at my mixer now but just saved the scene I have on my x32 edit which I just used with the board earlier today. It should be attached to the discussion now.
        • Feb 10
      • Klark Teknik DN9630 interface -- Behringer s16 -- Behringer x32 Ecosystem Question
        DavidKnighton I checked your scene routing and you have but 1 channel from 41-48 assigned to the USER IN 1-8. Might I suggest a test. Assign AES50 41-48 to any bank of input channels and just make sure you're getting something. This will confirm or deny whether there is signal present on those channels. Then you can try a repatch the Aux inputs how you want.
        • Feb 11
    • djsuperdock
      GaryHiggins I think your main issue may be interconnection, the S16's don't transmit their xlr inputs via their B port, B ports of the S16 are fixed to deliver specific aes50 ch's from the FOH mixer. The 2 S16.s in turn would shift the 9630 upstream intended ch's by 32 such that whatever is meant to head to foh from the 9630 will show up as aes50a 33-48 at foh. If more than 16 ch's, they will exceed the 48 ch limit and be 'out of bounds' You probably need to connect the 9630 to it's own port on the mixer and rout any S16 inputs to it via aes50 from FOH. My 2 cents.
      • Feb 10
      • Klark Teknik DN9630 interface -- Behringer s16 -- Behringer x32 Ecosystem Question
        djsuperdock What you're saying about the 2 s16s bumping the interface up makes sense and is consistent with what I am experiencing. My first 8 inputs from the 9630 show up at AES50a 33-40. But then why wouldn't I simply be able to send more inputs to the 9630 and have them show up at AES50a 41-48?
        • Feb 10
      • Klark Teknik DN9630 interface -- Behringer s16 -- Behringer x32 Ecosystem Question
        GaryHiggins The next 8 outputs from the 9630 would show up as input ch’s aes50a 41-48 at foh. Inputs TO the 9630 would be via the foh mixer aes50a out 1-48 menu. To use the xlr inputs of the s16’s in this way you would need to send aes50a inputs 1-32 from the mixer via aes50a out 1-32 (aes50a out 1-32 must say aes50a 1-32 in groups of 8) by default it would now say out 1-8, out 9-16, out 1-8 and out 9-16 again.
        • Feb 10
      • Klark Teknik DN9630 interface -- Behringer s16 -- Behringer x32 Ecosystem Question
        GaryHiggins I still think you would be better off with a dedicated port for the 9630, no shifting of ch’s from it and more straightforward routing to it. Keeps your S16 outs more flexible too.
        • Feb 10
    • djsuperdock
      StephenEvans The S16s are not really meant to be a AES50 hub in the way you want to use them. It would be much better to connect to the AES50B port on the X32, you would be able to do much more flexible routing that way
      • Feb 11
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    Bdog0097
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-02-01

    Good Morning, we are running an x32 for streaming/recording audio. Every week we have had some sort of lock up that a power cycle will fix, 2 weeks ago I did an update to the latest firmware (4.04.1) hoping our problem would be solved. It wasn’t, what happened last week is the boar locked down with a power cycle I noticed when loading the files (during boot process) “NOT FOUND” was constantly loading. How I cured this I did a factory reset then a restore from the last backup that I had.  This week the same thing happened but this time I could not access to factory reset.  Today I knew I was going to be troubleshooting on here so I brought it to my office and when I turned it on all is good.  We can’t afford to have any more downtime with this console, any advice/service I can perform or pay done to ensure this doesn’t happen again?


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      KevinMaxwell Changing the power cord has fixed this kind of problems for some people. it is extremely unusual but I have heard of it happening. Some IEC cables just get loose over time. Are you using a true sinewave UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) on the mixer?

      And now for a real long shot. Do you have any effects feeding back to themselves? If you want to you can copy the scene you were in when this happened, from your console and post it in your first post in this thread. It only allows you to post a file in the first post of a thread. Go into the edit mode of you post and you will see a place to upload a file. Then we can take a look and see if there looks like there is anything obviously wrong.
      • Feb 1
      • x32 lockup
        Bdog0097 3) with nothing plugged in there isnt any problem with it. it has been running since monday and is still on now.
        • Feb 4
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        Bdog0097 4) i am going to try to redo the software. i read on another tread that i need to reinstall 3.0 then go back to 4.0. but i cant find the 3.0 software. do you have any idea how i can get it? thank you so much for helping. i have submitted a ticket and haven't got a reply from music tribe.
        • Feb 4
      • x32 lockup
        KevinMaxwell I just emailed you version 3.07 to your AOL address.
        • Feb 4
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    RexBeckett
    Superhero - Level 3
    2021-01-22

    Following the purchase of a Flow 8 Digital Mixer, I set about learning how it worked – from a user’s perspective. This was done by connecting audio test equipment to the inputs/outputs and observing the effect of each of the controls on the various outputs. The results allowed the creation of an apparent signal paths diagram. The diagram reflects the Flow 8 functionality with firmware V11729. Subsequent firmware releases may change the signal paths.

    The diagram is not part of any official documentation and is just intended to help users understand how the various controls affect the operation of this great little digital mixer.


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    Edit: Firmware V11739 provides several additional routing options. An updated diagram has been attached to a new discussion: https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/77059/310428/flow-8-apparent-signal-paths-v11739

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    • RexBeckett
      DaveMorrison Nice work. How do you like the Flow8 as a mixer?
      • Jan 22
      • Flow 8 Apparent Signal Paths (V11729)
        RexBeckett Thanks, Dave. I think that the Flow 8 is great for mixing solo or duo performers and is ideal for many streaming or broadcast applications. The hardware has been well conceived and designed and has many advantages over typical small analogue desks. The Android app needs some attention but most of the functions work.

        I see the Flow 8 as filling the space between a small analogue mixer and an XR18. I have been testing it in a multi-participant streaming environment where it replaces a Xenyx QX1002USB + UMC404HD. The Flow 8 is excellent in this role - providing both a physical control surface and the advantages of a digital mixer e.g. instant recall of saved snapshots, remote control and multi-channel recording over USB.
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    • RexBeckett
      Jerrylee1 Thanks for the diagram Rex, the compressor ratios vs percentage good to know. Lots of potential in this little mixer!
      • Jan 22
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett We may as well use this discussion to collect other information that could help new owners of a Flow 8.

      In the channel EQ, the Low and High bands are shelving and are specified at 20Hz and 20kHz – outside the range that most of us can hear. They have quite shallow slopes, though, so can be used to shape the bottom and top ends. I have measured the -3dB points (frequencies) for a range of settings.

      Low Shelf
      0dB: 18Hz, -3dB: 31.5Hz, -6dB: 100Hz, -9dB: 125Hz, -12dB: 140Hz, -15dB: 180Hz

      High Shelf
      0dB: >20kHz, -3dB: 20kHz, -6dB: 8kHz, -9dB: 6.3kHz, -12dB: 5.6kHz, -15dB: 5kHz

      I think the bottom end of the Low Shelf is affected by the channel's Low Cut filter. This cannot be turned off so is set to the lowest frequency of 20Hz.
      • Jan 24
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett The Flow 8 responds to Midi messages via the USB connection to a PC. This is a one-way Midi link. The Flow 8 does not transmit any Midi messages. The Midi implementation is well documented in the Quick Start Guide. Continuous Control values can be calculated as shown below.

      Fader Levels:
      CC Value = ((dB + 70) * 126 / 80) + 1

      Bus Limiters: CC Value = (dB + 30) * 127 / 30

      EQ Bands: CC Value = (dB + 15) * 127 / 30

      Low Cut: CC Value = (Frequency - 20) * 127 / 580

      Channel Gains: CC Value = (dB + 20) * 127 / 80

      Pan/Balance: CC Value = (Setting + 1) * 127 / 2
      • Jan 24
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett A frequent question about the Flow 8 is: How easy is it to use a multi-layer surface wthout motorized faders? I find it surprisingly easy - for example:

      When you change layers, the Offset LEDs above each fader show you when they are not synchronized. When you move one of the faders, the small LCD screen shows the dB value it should be set to and a moving line shows how far and in which direction you need to move the fader. This is a very handy feature which I have not seen mentioned in any online reviews.

      When changing to an FX or Monitor layer to tweak a couple of channel sends, it is not necessary to synchronize all the channel faders. You only need to sync the ones that you want to change. This also reduces the number of offsets when returning to the Main layer.

      Once the principle settings are in place, I tend to leave the physical surface on the Main layer. This allows easy adjustment of channel and Main faders. I have a 7" tablet running the Flow Mix app to allow tweaks to EQ, Compressors or FX parameters. In practice, once it is sounding good, the tablet is not essential.
      • Jan 25
      • Flow 8 Apparent Signal Paths (V11729)
        Jerrylee1 Same way of working as on the earlier Studiolive Presonus mixers, it works well.
        • Jan 26
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