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    jplumey
    Contributor - Level 3
    2022-02-10

    Hi,

    This morning we noticed during a live event that adjusting on our X32 that our faders for channels (sends on faders off) that the levels were not changing the output levels on L/R, and then we noticed that muting mix1 and mix2 would mute would also mute what was going to the main L/R, which is supposed to be outputs 15 and 16. I can't see anything wrong in the routing. 

    I've attached the scene file. This system is maintained by some middle school A/V students so it's possible they messed something u when configuring mix 1 and mix 2, which we want to go out via USB to our live stream system. That seems to work. 

     I've opened a ticket with Behringer (I wish I could CALL someone during these times), and also sent them the scene file. I'd appreciate if one of you wizards can take a look and see what's wrong with our configuration.

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    • jplumey
      Paul_Vannatto Hi jplumey, I had a look at your scene and the only thing I can see is if you are expecting 15/16 to be Main LR on the stagebox connected to the AES50 B port, that is not what you are getting. Have a look at the Routing, AES50 screen. The second bank of the AES50 B port is assigned Out 1-8. Therefore output of the stagebox 15/16 is actually mixbuses 7/8. Other than that, I see no issues (parallel signal paths, etc.).
      • Feb 10
    • jplumey
      jplumey

      Hi Paul. We configured AES50 A as outputs 9-16 since that stage box sits next to the inputs to our main speakers. AES50 B has outputs 1-8.

      • Feb 10
    • jplumey
      Paul_Vannatto Have they accidentally switched the AES50 cables on the back of the console, by chance?
      • Feb 11
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    cjengel
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-12-19

    Hello,

    We have a Behringer X32 being used for a church.  It is attached to a snake (SD16).  The stage monitor is  hooked up to a SD16 (using output 1 on the snake).  Mixbus 1 has been set to send the monitor to the output on the snake.  12 Microphones go to Mixbus 1.  

    A few weeks ago, the monitors stopped working.  We have tried setting up the routing table as per the instructions in the manual, have checked the network cable (it works) .. in fact, we've checked all the cables.  The inputs on the snake work: the drum microphones go through the inputs on the snake as well as 1 wired microphone, and I can hear the drums through the mains mix and see the individual levels for all mics working.  The rest of the microphones do not hook up to the snake - rather, they are plugged in directly to the X32 microphone inputs.  

    Right before the monitors stopped working, there were reports of popping/crackling noises coming over the mains output.  I've checked the network cable and in fact, replaced it with a new Cat 5 cable.  

    I've attached the routing table for the input and the AES A output.   Many questions are on my mind, but the simplest would be: is the routing table correct.  Would there be any way to test the hardware, as the possibility is that the snake may have problems with its hardware.  

    What other things should I be doing here in terms of trying to troubleshoot this machine?  Any advice would be gratefully received!

     

    Regards,

     

    Chris Engel

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


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    • cjengel
      DaveMorrison We need a bit more information to get a complete picture. The routing for what "Output 1-16' (in the patch point section) is crucial. The routing set here are then sent to AES50 bus. Your AES50 setting look like they might be correct (depending the setting in the "Output 1-16" section. The "Out" switch on the SD16 has to set correctly also. It depends on how things are set in the "Output 1-16" section.
      • December 18, 2021
    • cjengel
      GaryHiggins The crackle and popping is a typical sign of poor cat cable connection or lack of shielded Cat cable WITH ethercons in use. It's a symptom of ESD. If you replaced it with NEW cable it should still work, even if with incorrect cable choices and construction. If your routing is correct (I don't see the table on this Mac) and your cable is new, It may need to be repaired. You might consider trying your Cat cable in port B instead of A. Maybe the A port is damaged. If you can post your scene file that would also help with the routing.
      • December 19, 2021
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    hamiltdf
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-08-22

    I am relatively new user of the digital mixer.  I have most things set up well but can only get sound to come out the phone output, nothing from the mains or the bus.  I have watched videos and learned quite a few things but none of them have solved this problem.  THis is for a small chruch setup that has a couple microphones and a few instruments.  I have save a scene and attached to this.  If anyone has a suggestion or can see what i am missing (i am sure it is simple) please let me know.

    Thanks!

    Dan


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    • hamiltdf
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Dan, thanks for attaching your scene file - makes troubleshooting so much easier. The reason why you are hearing only out of the headphones and not out of the Main LR and buses is that all 8 inputs (inputs 9-16 are off in Routing, Inputs screen) are muted and headphone solo is set to pre-fader (before the fader and mute).
      Also
      * channel mutes mute both the sends to the Main LR and to the buses.
      * channels 1, 7, 8 do not go to any of the 3 buses (Floor L, Floor Ctr, Floor R)
      * channels 1-3 main faders are all the way down.
      * all routing seems to be correct.
      • August 22, 2021
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    WadeGibbs
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-06-12

    Hello, new user trying to understand some basic signal flow through the XR18, I have attached a PDF with three screenshots showing faders and where I think they are on the block diagram if a more experienced user could take a look and see if I am on the right track that would be greatly appreciated. One additional question is where the green labeled FX returns tie in on the block diagram.  Thanks in advance.

    Wade 


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    • WadeGibbs
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Wade, first 2 are correct. The third (Pan) is not correct. Channel pan is in the CH 1-16 signal strip , far right (PAN LR). FX Returns are a separate signal strip below the CH 1-16 and Stereo LINE IN LR strips.
      • June 12, 2021
    • WadeGibbs
      WadeGibbs Paul, thanks for the response, on the fx returns I couldn't see the forest for the trees. In the Main Stereo section where is the Balance fader in the block diagram. Thanks Wade
      • June 12, 2021
    • WadeGibbs
      Paul_Vannatto Using X-Air Edit, the balance control is just above the scribble strip on the Main LR strip (far right), just like the pan control on a standard channel strip.
      • June 12, 2021
    • WadeGibbs
      WadeGibbs Thanks again Paul.
      • June 12, 2021
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    Douglas_Marsh
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-06-03

    Flow 8 seems to fill a weird nitch that seems pretty cool and so far I like it. The routing options are a little limited and hopefully a firmware update could add a minor thing (see below).

    As an overgrown audio interface will fit a need for those that end up using software monitoring as now you can monitor in the mixer side the the interface (for "zero"* latency monitoring, *=it's digital so it has an ever slow slight A/D->D/A conversion).

    The Android/iOS app is nice, perhaps somebody might work on a desktop version that connects via BlueTooth. (Android emulators are a thing, not sure how BT would be handled tho). -- I see it has MIDI interface could provide alternate ways for a desktop app to control it and saw some docs on the MIDI commands one can use with it.

    The number one thing it should have (there is already another post about this) to have even more applications would be a gate function on the four mic inputs at least.

    Setting up mix minus output can be done by routing the Mon1/2 to the USB Line 7/8 (or 5/6) via cables*, but having this as an option for routing in firmware would make that simpler. *=cables means potiential for feedback as channel 7/8 can be routed back to MON1/2 ... where as sending USB 7/8 from either Analog input (pre-fader) or from Mon1/2 output(pre/post fader) would make this simpler and easier to avoid.

    There apparently is no way to solo an input from the control surface (must have Android/iOS App). I would suggest pressing [Main] (if not already selected) then tapping on the [Select/Adjust] encoder to toggle from displaying the FX1/FX2 to SOLO select and then rotate the encoder to select which input to solo in the headphones directly.

    In the Recording mode (10x4) the 10 inputs are all prefader including 9/10 (Main LR Pre). In Streaming mode (2x4) the 2 inputs is post fader (Main LR Post). It would be nice to have the Main LR send to the computer (both Recording Mode and Streaming Mode) be adjustable Pre or Post fader independent of which mode.

    Aside from that, it will fit a nitch need in various circles for me where a full blown XR18 or X32 are overkill (not to mention take up more space).

    I did however run into an issue trying to run the firmware update (SimplyPUT_Linux_64-Bit.zip). It recognized when the mixer was or was not plugged in, but failed to put the mixer into DFU (Device Firmware Update) mode. Ended up using windows (and spent hours running updates before I could update the Flow 8 / as I rarely power on windows). Not sure if this is a known issue and a simple udev fix (guessing) is all that is needed. I poked at the USB device list and saw the "bInterfaceClass 254:Application Specific Interface/bInterfaceSubClass 1:Device Firmware Update"

    For those that live in Linux land and use Jack, it shows up as 10x4 or 2x4.. Under PulseAudio one would need to make use of the remapper module for PulseAudio. My script I've updated for when I connect Pulse to XL18/X32 (attached as PDF as TXT files are not allowed).

     


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    nightmarer
    Newcomer - Level 2
    2021-02-22

    Hello.

     

    I've been trying to setup my Behringer x32 core for bradcasting in Twitch, Zoom, Facebook or whatever, but I'm don't know how to do it.

    All the guides I've followed about the rest of x32 devices are useless as they tell you how to do it through the screen menu, which is different to what I have in x-32 edit application.

    I'm not able to do it using another way than x32 edit.

    When I am selecting the audio device I'm only able to select 1-2 (Behringer X-USB) as input (then I'm just able to send what it is on input 1 or 2), or an output (just the sound comming from any application out of my DAW). Then I'm not able to select what I want to send to the output. In my mixer I don't have a bus which is sent part of the information.

    I have attached the scene. How can I do it?


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    • nightmarer
      RexBeckett Hello nightmarer, are you running Windows on your PC? This will limit apps that don't support ASIO to two channels. There are two steps required to set the USB 1/2 output that you require. The attached screenshots are from X32 Edit:

      On the Routing -> Out 1-16 tab, select the required source buses in rows 1 and 2. I have shown these as Mixbus 1/2 but they can be any bus.

      On the Routing -> Card tab, select Out 1-8 as the source for Card outputs 1-8.

      It is not clear from your scene if you are using Out 1-8 for some other purpose. If so, you could use the Ultranet table instead. Select the source buses on Routing -> Ultranet rows 1 and 2. Select Ultranet 1-8 on the Routing -> Card tab for outputs 1-8.
      • February 22, 2021
      • x32-core for broadcasting
        nightmarer Thank you so much, it totally worked!!
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        • February 22, 2021
    • nightmarer
      nightmarer You are a god sent. Thank you so much for this, it totally worked.
      • February 22, 2021
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    RexBeckett
    Superhero - Level 3
    2021-02-21

    Following the purchase of a Flow 8 Digital Mixer, I set about learning how it worked – from a user’s perspective. This was done by connecting audio test equipment to the inputs/outputs and observing the effect of each of the controls on the various outputs. The results allowed the creation of an apparent signal paths diagram. The original diagram has been updated to reflect the Flow 8 functionality with firmware V11739. Earlier and later firmware releases may have different signal paths.

    The diagram is not part of any official documentation and is just intended to help users understand how the various controls affect the operation of this great little digital mixer.

    Edit: Diagram revised to correct pre-fader signal taps in Main and Mon buses. (22 Feb 2021)

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    Bdog0097
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-02-01

    Good Morning, we are running an x32 for streaming/recording audio. Every week we have had some sort of lock up that a power cycle will fix, 2 weeks ago I did an update to the latest firmware (4.04.1) hoping our problem would be solved. It wasn’t, what happened last week is the boar locked down with a power cycle I noticed when loading the files (during boot process) “NOT FOUND” was constantly loading. How I cured this I did a factory reset then a restore from the last backup that I had.  This week the same thing happened but this time I could not access to factory reset.  Today I knew I was going to be troubleshooting on here so I brought it to my office and when I turned it on all is good.  We can’t afford to have any more downtime with this console, any advice/service I can perform or pay done to ensure this doesn’t happen again?


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    • Bdog0097
      KevinMaxwell Changing the power cord has fixed this kind of problems for some people. it is extremely unusual but I have heard of it happening. Some IEC cables just get loose over time. Are you using a true sinewave UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) on the mixer?

      And now for a real long shot. Do you have any effects feeding back to themselves? If you want to you can copy the scene you were in when this happened, from your console and post it in your first post in this thread. It only allows you to post a file in the first post of a thread. Go into the edit mode of you post and you will see a place to upload a file. Then we can take a look and see if there looks like there is anything obviously wrong.
      • February 1, 2021
      • x32 lockup
        Bdog0097 3) with nothing plugged in there isnt any problem with it. it has been running since monday and is still on now.
        • February 4, 2021
      • x32 lockup
        Bdog0097 4) i am going to try to redo the software. i read on another tread that i need to reinstall 3.0 then go back to 4.0. but i cant find the 3.0 software. do you have any idea how i can get it? thank you so much for helping. i have submitted a ticket and haven't got a reply from music tribe.
        • February 4, 2021
      • x32 lockup
        KevinMaxwell I just emailed you version 3.07 to your AOL address.
        • February 4, 2021
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    RexBeckett
    Superhero - Level 3
    2021-01-22

    Following the purchase of a Flow 8 Digital Mixer, I set about learning how it worked – from a user’s perspective. This was done by connecting audio test equipment to the inputs/outputs and observing the effect of each of the controls on the various outputs. The results allowed the creation of an apparent signal paths diagram. The diagram reflects the Flow 8 functionality with firmware V11729. Subsequent firmware releases may change the signal paths.

    The diagram is not part of any official documentation and is just intended to help users understand how the various controls affect the operation of this great little digital mixer.


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    Edit: Firmware V11739 provides several additional routing options. An updated diagram has been attached to a new discussion: https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/77059/310428/flow-8-apparent-signal-paths-v11739

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    • RexBeckett
      DaveMorrison Nice work. How do you like the Flow8 as a mixer?
      • January 22, 2021
      • Flow 8 Apparent Signal Paths (V11729)
        RexBeckett Thanks, Dave. I think that the Flow 8 is great for mixing solo or duo performers and is ideal for many streaming or broadcast applications. The hardware has been well conceived and designed and has many advantages over typical small analogue desks. The Android app needs some attention but most of the functions work.

        I see the Flow 8 as filling the space between a small analogue mixer and an XR18. I have been testing it in a multi-participant streaming environment where it replaces a Xenyx QX1002USB + UMC404HD. The Flow 8 is excellent in this role - providing both a physical control surface and the advantages of a digital mixer e.g. instant recall of saved snapshots, remote control and multi-channel recording over USB.
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    • RexBeckett
      Jerrylee1 Thanks for the diagram Rex, the compressor ratios vs percentage good to know. Lots of potential in this little mixer!
      • January 22, 2021
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett We may as well use this discussion to collect other information that could help new owners of a Flow 8.

      In the channel EQ, the Low and High bands are shelving and are specified at 20Hz and 20kHz – outside the range that most of us can hear. They have quite shallow slopes, though, so can be used to shape the bottom and top ends. I have measured the -3dB points (frequencies) for a range of settings.

      Low Shelf
      0dB: 18Hz, -3dB: 31.5Hz, -6dB: 100Hz, -9dB: 125Hz, -12dB: 140Hz, -15dB: 180Hz

      High Shelf
      0dB: >20kHz, -3dB: 20kHz, -6dB: 8kHz, -9dB: 6.3kHz, -12dB: 5.6kHz, -15dB: 5kHz

      I think the bottom end of the Low Shelf is affected by the channel's Low Cut filter. This cannot be turned off so is set to the lowest frequency of 20Hz.
      • January 24, 2021
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett The Flow 8 responds to Midi messages via the USB connection to a PC. This is a one-way Midi link. The Flow 8 does not transmit any Midi messages. The Midi implementation is well documented in the Quick Start Guide. Continuous Control values can be calculated as shown below.

      Fader Levels:
      CC Value = ((dB + 70) * 126 / 80) + 1

      Bus Limiters: CC Value = (dB + 30) * 127 / 30

      EQ Bands: CC Value = (dB + 15) * 127 / 30

      Low Cut: CC Value = (Frequency - 20) * 127 / 580

      Channel Gains: CC Value = (dB + 20) * 127 / 80

      Pan/Balance: CC Value = (Setting + 1) * 127 / 2
      • January 24, 2021
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett A frequent question about the Flow 8 is: How easy is it to use a multi-layer surface wthout motorized faders? I find it surprisingly easy - for example:

      When you change layers, the Offset LEDs above each fader show you when they are not synchronized. When you move one of the faders, the small LCD screen shows the dB value it should be set to and a moving line shows how far and in which direction you need to move the fader. This is a very handy feature which I have not seen mentioned in any online reviews.

      When changing to an FX or Monitor layer to tweak a couple of channel sends, it is not necessary to synchronize all the channel faders. You only need to sync the ones that you want to change. This also reduces the number of offsets when returning to the Main layer.

      Once the principle settings are in place, I tend to leave the physical surface on the Main layer. This allows easy adjustment of channel and Main faders. I have a 7" tablet running the Flow Mix app to allow tweaks to EQ, Compressors or FX parameters. In practice, once it is sounding good, the tablet is not essential.
      • January 25, 2021
      • Flow 8 Apparent Signal Paths (V11729)
        Jerrylee1 Same way of working as on the earlier Studiolive Presonus mixers, it works well.
        • January 26, 2021
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    bubbaguth
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-12-12

    Scenes, Cue's, etc. that are stored locally in the X32 Edit application appear in their respecitve list when created.  Does anyone know where the files are physically located on a Mac?  I realize you can export/import them, but I need to recall them from a backup disk.  I searched ~library folders, application package contents, hard drive, etc. I can't find the location of where the app is storing them or understand how this works. 

    Thanks


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