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  • ocw
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-09

    Hi, I'm a new member and have a Midas MR12. I'm not a sound tech but I know the basics. I'm wondering if there is a spot online (maybe here?) where people are allowed to post their scenes for these mixers? I'm looking to download some to help with initial setup. 

    Our setup is two Bose L1 Compacts and normally 2 mics and 2 acoustic guitars. The setup is working, but I don't know enough about it to get the most out of it. For example I've been noticing a hissing sound in recordings lately and the volume was very low. Today I learned that unlike on the channel and main level faders you don't want unity/0 on mic gains... who knew? I'm wondering what else I'm missing out on like how to set compression and gates and how to set up a nice sounding FX chain.

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    • ocw
      DaveMorrison

      @ocw 


      You can post your scene right here and we'll give you a hand. 


      Here are (older) instructions for saving/uploading a scene. https://behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=Uploading_files_to_the_forum
      Upload by Choose File at the bottom of the window.

      • March 9, 2020
    • ocw
      RexBeckett

      @ocw 


      Hello Oliver, welcome to the community.


       


      It is not easy to share scenes as every application is different in some ways. We can help by answering your questions or we could look at your configuration and make suggestions. If you save your scene using M-Air Edit and attach the .scn file to your post (see Choose File button below), we can take a look.


       


      Edit: As Dave already suggested. 

      • March 9, 2020
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  • dmorrier
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-03-05

    The manual for the Midas DL16 stage box show the inputs as "Mic/Line". Is there a way to configure the input levels (Mic vs. Line) from the M32 Edit (on M32C)? 

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    • dmorrier
      RexBeckett

      @dmorrier 


      There is no mic/line switch on the DL16 preamps. There is sufficient range on the gain control to accomodate both mic and line-level inputs.

      • March 5, 2020
    • dmorrier
      dmorrier

      Thanks @RexBeckett . Possibly related to the question is what the difference is between when M32Edit shows the channel with trim vs. gain. The right an left sides of the picture below are two pictures. Left shows trim and the right shows gain. Is it controllable? Does it depend on level of input? 


      trimtrimgaingain

      • March 8, 2020
  • RickCatanese
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-04

    While using my M32 in my studio I am hearing random clicks and pops during recording and playback. I use a DL 32 for inputs. The M32 is set for internal clock. I can't seem to find if there are any settings to change or how to do it for the DL 32. Should the clock source for the M32 be changed to either AES50 A or Exp Card?

     

    Thanks

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    • RickCatanese
      Paul_Vannatto


      @RickCatanese wrote:


      While using my M32 in my studio I am hearing random clicks and pops during recording and playback.





      That is due to a mismatch sample rate (Setup, config screen), not the clock source (which should always be set to Internal). Make the sample rate (44.1K or 48K) the same on the console and in the DAW


       

      • March 4, 2020
    • RickCatanese
      RickCatanese

      sample rate is 48k on m32 global screen and 48k in DAW

      • March 5, 2020
  • daniciuc
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-04

    Hi everyone,

    So I'm using two M32 consoles, one for FOH and one set up as monitor console.

    I'm at the limit with channel inputs and I would like to go furter and buy a Wing, but I don't know how to mix the extra channels from the Monitor console ... Do you guys have any ideas? or suggestions? Or should I just buy 2 WINGs ...

    Hope I was clear enough

     

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    • daniciuc
      GaryHiggins

      Hi @daniciuc 


      I think you will need two Wings to mix a full 48/96 ch's at both places at once. Except maybe FOH doesn't need to mix all sources for the show, in which case maybe the Wing in monitor world M32 FOH might do it....but what the hell, buy 2!!

      • March 3, 2020
    • daniciuc
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Emanuel @daniciuc 


      Welcome to the forum. As Gary @GaryHiggins mentioned, if the budget allows getting 2 Wings would definitely be the best solution. But if the budget is tight and since you already have an M32, the Wing and M32 can function together. If all of your inputs are mono in nature, all you are gaining (input-wise) are 10 additional channel strips (48 instead of 38). But if some of the inputs are stereo, the difference in inputs increase significantly. 


       


      Gary did bring up an important point with regards to input requirements that differ between FOH and monitor worlds. I find that FOH tend to require more inputs than monitors. Most musicians want specific channels, not the "whole enchiladas". But that may generate complex (creative) routing in order to accomplish this, particularly with the bank of 8 limitations. With the 2 Wing system, that routing complexity disappears (since the bank of 8 limitation is non-existent). 


       

      • March 3, 2020
  • PeterDStover
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-03

    DN32 Card is set to REC channels from AES 1-8, 9-16 in stagebox and and PLAY channels is set to CARD 1-8, 9-16.16x16 is selected and AUTO in/out as well. For some reason, I only get 1-8 on the recording and not 9-16 when I play or put the SD into a DAW. What am I doing wrong?

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    • PeterDStover
      GaryHiggins

      @PeterDStover 


      Check the "card out" routing, should be aes50 a 1-8 and aes50 a 9-16 for card out 1-8 and card out 9-16


       


      home routing should be aes50a 1-8 and 9-16 for 'record'


       


      card 1-8 and 9-16 for 'playback'


       


      sd set to auto

      • March 2, 2020
  • midilord
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-02

    Greetings

     

    I have been trying to connect (with no success) the Midas m32 to an iMac via ethernet and using the iMac to broadcast wifi in order to connnect an iPad to use the M32 mix app. Has anyone tried this with any success.  

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  • Stevemck
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-01
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  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2020-03-01

    Hello all,

    Our church is considering a DL16 as part of a headphone amp IEM solution for our sanctuary.  We currently employ an M32 in the sanctuary.  The M32 has been upgraded to FW 4.02.

    I am trying to learn about AES50 maps the I/O and how the I/O on a DL16 could be employed on our M32 (together with the existing hard-wired inputs to the console).  Our goal would be to maintain and expand our existing flexibility.

    If I appear cryptic in description of our installation its only because I don't want to write a tome here.  I really am looking for some good reading about M32/DL16 AES50 mapping so I figure it out for myself.

    As always, thanks in advance for your assistance.
    Dwayne A

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    • DwayneAasberg
      RexBeckett

      @DwayneAasberg 


      I don't know of any written guides to AES50 routing but there are numerous worked examples in forum posts. The concepts are straightforward:


       


      Inputs from a single DL16 will usually be on AES50 lines 1-16. These can be selected as sources in Routing, Inputs - in blocks of eight. The new User In patchpoints in V4.xx allow the blocks to be defined with individual inputs if required. When selected in Routing, Inputs, the AES50 sources are routed to the channels.


       


      Outputs on a single DL16 will normally be sent on AES50 lines 1-8. These can be set on Routing, AES50 in blocks of eight. The User Out patch can be used to build the blocks from individual output sources if required. Outputs can be driven from many possible sources: Inputs from other stageboxes; local inputs; inputs from USB/SD cards. Signals can also be staged in Out 1-16, Ultranet and Aux Out from sources including direct channel taps and Aux inputs. 


       


      Does that make enough sense to get started? If not, please ask questions.

      • March 1, 2020
    • DwayneAasberg
      DwayneAasberg

      Thx @RexBeckett 


      I'm afraid I am still quite confused.


       


      Considering inputs.  Currently ch1-32 are all gettting their signals from the XLRs on the back of the console.  If we connected a DL16 could we use 3 inputs of the DL16 on any channels we want in the set of 32 (replacing the connection from the back of the console)?  If yes, how?


       


      Next, considering outputs.  Currently, on the back of the console, outputs 1-8 are getting their signals from mixbus 1-8 and outputs 13-16 are getting their signals from matrix 1-4.  If we connected a DL16 could we use the 8 outputs on the DL16 and route them from any mixbus we desire?  If yes, how?  Then if yes, would the routing replace the output to the XLR on the back of the console, or can we have a mixbus go to both the back XLR and the XLR on the DL16?


       


      Part of the challenge here is language and the apparent 'same-namedness' on the Routing screens.  The word 'input' appears on tabs Inputs and User In.  Then 'output' appears AES50XLROut1-16Out Delay and User Out.  


       


      Sorry if I'm making this more complicated that it needs be.  And thanks for your continued assistance.


      Dwayne A

      • March 1, 2020
    • DwayneAasberg
      RexBeckett

      @DwayneAasberg 


      It can be very confusing, Dwayne. It's the price we pay for the flexibility.


       


      Considering inputs. Currently ch1-32 are all gettting their signals from the XLRs on the back of the console. If we connected a DL16 could we use 3 inputs of the DL16 on any channels we want in the set of 32 (replacing the connection from the back of the console)? If yes, how?


      Yes, you can mix and match the console and stagebox inputs. This is most easily done using the new User In patching table. This allows the normal routing blocks (of eight signals) to be specified with individual signal sources. In the following example, channel input 6 is from stagebox input 1, channel 7 is from stagebox 2 and channel 12 is from stagebox 3. All other channel inputs are from the console local. I am using M32 Edit to illustrate the settings. You can make these settings directly on the console but it is not so clear.


      Routing, User InRouting, User In


      Now we have defined our User In blocks, we can select them as sources in the normal Routing -> Inputs tab:


      Routing, InputsRouting, Inputs


       


      Next, considering outputs.  Currently, on the back of the console, outputs 1-8 are getting their signals from mixbus 1-8 and outputs 13-16 are getting their signals from matrix 1-4.  If we connected a DL16 could we use the 8 outputs on the DL16 and route them from any mixbus we desire?  If yes, how?  Then if yes, would the routing replace the output to the XLR on the back of the console, or can we have a mixbus go to both the back XLR and the XLR on the DL16?


      Last things first, the outputs on the console and DL16 can be specified independently. They can share the same signal source if required. The signals routed to the outputs can be from Mixbuses, Matrix buses, inputs or channel taps. As with the XLR outputs, AES50 outputs are first staged from individual signals into blocks of eight. The staging is normally done on the Routing -> Out 1-16 tab. If this is fully occupied for the console outputs, the Routing -> Ultranet tab can be used as well. 


       


      In the following example we are using the Ultranet tab to stage outputs from four pairs of Mixbuses to the first block of eight:


      Routing, UltranetRouting, Ultranet


      Having done that, we can route that block to the AES50 to connect it to the DL16 outputs:


      Routing, AES50Routing, AES50


      The new User Out patching can be used, if required, to break free from the block-of-eight restrictions. 


       


      You are not making this complicated, Dwayne. It is complicated and by no means easy to understand. It does follow a certain logic, though. Once the penny drops, you may appreciate the power and flexibility of the M32/X32 routing capabilities.

      • March 1, 2020
    • DwayneAasberg
      DwayneAasberg

      Hi @RexBeckett 


      Okay, it took me a few reads and re-reads, then back and forth to Edit 32 and the console, but I think I may be figuring this out.  The 'input' between an XLR or AES50 connection, and the fader is really a pointer, not an input.  On the other end 'output' is a pointer between a mix bus and an XLR or AES50 connection.  This may not be entirely accurate but it seems to be working for my head.  Let me know if I am 100% in the rhubarb.


      Thx again.   D.

      • March 4, 2020
  • S-Audio
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-03-01

    I am trying to use M32 edit with my M32rlive console but I can't get them to talk to each other.

    The software recognizes the console and the IP address match but when I highlight the console and hit connect nothing happens and it says disconnected. any help would be appreciated.

    Ron

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    • S-Audio
      RexBeckett

      @S-Audio 


      You need to change one of the IP addresses. They should be in the same subnet but cannot be the same address. e.g. Set the console to 192.168.0.32

      • February 29, 2020
    • S-Audio
      S-Audio

      I tried changing the IP address on the console as you suggested but still nothing.I didn't recognize the console like it did in the screen shot attached to my first post....

      • February 29, 2020
    • S-Audio
      RexBeckett


      @S-Audio wrote:


      I tried changing the IP address on the console as you suggested but still nothing.I didn't recognize the console like it did in the screen shot attached to my first post....





      @S-Audio 


      The screenshot shows that there are two active network ports on your PC and they are both in the same subnet. This can cause problems. If you disable or disconnect the Wifi port, the PC should be able to find the console. If you need to keep Wifi active, try changing both the PC LAN port and console to a different subnet e.g. 192.168.32.nnn

      • February 29, 2020
    • S-Audio
      S-Audio

      I tured oof WIFI and it found the console right away so that was the issue. Now I have this message poping up.


      My console firm ware is the latest version 4.2 and it say uncompatable. I can't win   Now what?


      See attached.

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      • February 29, 2020
    • S-Audio
      S-Audio

      Sorry about the typo's. I have been trying to get this going for hours.

      • February 29, 2020
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