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    GregWarren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-12-17

    Hello,

    I have 6 DP48s and have 2 Hub4s being shipped as we speak.

     

    My question, will I need 6 ethernet cables from the 2 Hub4s to each of the DP48s to power them (PoE) OR can you use 1 ethernet cable from the hub4 to the first one and then daisy chain them and get power to them without having to use the ac adapters?

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    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, if you want PoE, you will need 6 cables. The Thru AES50 jack on the DP48 does not supply the PoE, similar to the P16-M.
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      GregWarren Okay...thanks...now how do I setup the IEMs with the hub 4s? What ports on the back do I use?
      • December 17, 2020
    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Looking at the back, from right to left are the ports outputs (1-4), mix A and B. Ports 1 and 2 mix A are XLR and the rest (port 1/2 mix B and all of port 3/4) are 1/4" TRS. You also need to enable each port output by pressing on the respective port button on the front panel (just below the Port 1-4 label).
      • December 17, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        GregWarren Ethercon shielded 5e or 6a?
        • December 18, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto Hi Greg, shielded cat5e is getting harder to find here (in Canada). I have a mixure of shielded cat5e, cat6a and cat7. Anything that works between Behringer/Midas consoles and stageboxes should work with the Hub4 and DP48.
        • December 18, 2020
    • GregWarren
      MichaelIvey Hey Douglas. I feel your frustration as I did the same method you did and got the same results time after time after time. But here's what changed. Instead of saving the file in Excel where I created it I saved it to my Desktop. When given the option of the format to save it in I selected CSV UTF-8 (Comma delimited) (*.csv) again saving the file to my Desktop. Hope this works for you.
      • December 19, 2020
      • Midas DP48 & Hub4
        Paul_Vannatto What has this to do with our discussion here about the Hub4 and DP48?
        • December 19, 2020
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    Rastoff
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-12-02

    I'm completely new to the DP48 and having an issue that I can't figure out.

    To add names to the groups, I've created a single line .csv file, comman delimited, and imported the names. For some reason the name for group 1 is blank. I've tried creating the file in Excel and Notepad with the same results using each.

    For example, this is the file I created:
    Keys,Mic 1,Mic 2,Mic 3,Bass,Drums,HH 1,HH 2,Gtr 1,Gtr 2,Click,Pads

    When I import this, I see this on the screen:

                    HH 1
    Mic 1        HH 2
    Mic 2        Gtr 1
    Mic 3        Gtr 2
    Bass         Click
    Drums      Pads

    I can't figure out why "Keys" is blank.

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    • Rastoff
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Douglas, what DP48 firmware are you using? I just tried your csv line on a DP48 here (with firmware 1.8) and it loads the group names correctly (including the first name). I would suggest you update (or re-install) to 1.8 and try again.
      • December 2, 2020
      • DP48 Group Names?
        Rastoff Thanks Paul, but I loaded 1.8 last night and still have the same issue. I have 4 DP48s and have tried this on two of them. I will try a different SD card and see if that makes a difference.
        • December 2, 2020
    • Rastoff
      MichaelIvey Hey Douglas. I feel your frustration as I did the same method you did and got the same results time after time after time. But here's what changed. Instead of saving the file in Excel where I created it I saved it to my Desktop. When given the option of the format to save it in I selected CSV UTF-8 (Comma delimited) (*.csv) again saving the file to my Desktop. Hope this works for you
      • December 19, 2020
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    elvis1979
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-11-03

    I have a question: Will it be possible to connect any devices other than DP48 and DL8 to the AES50 ports? E.g. DL153, SD8 ..... :)

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    • elvis1979
      GaryHiggins I would say yes, they are aes50 streams so as long as the stagebox is capable of 44/48k they should work just fine. The SD8 for sure and I think the DL153 can do 48k ok so it should be fine as well. The blue series Midas boxes that can do 48k will not daisy chain beyond their immediate connection, so you can't then piggy back from them like the S/SD16 etc. They would have to be the only device on that port but should still work.
      • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 That would be great. Couldn't someone try it, for example, with the DL15 stagebox ...? Whether it really works
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I would love to...but in the US they have not arrived yet! Unreal but quite true,....waiting for mine at Sweetwater....oh yeah and I don't own a 153 :-)
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        elvis1979 hm
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins As fate would have it. got notice today Wed 11/4) that the Hub4 has arrive3d in the US, should have one in a few days..
        • November 4, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 I have a question: Could this work?
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I don't see why not, one dl153 from each port...however that's 48 mic pre's and the M32 can only use a max of 38 IF you use aux remap, 32 otherwise-so you would need to pick and choose which ones you use.
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins Now looking at it more closely, I'm not sure the Hub can pass all ch's upstream like a stagebox. Guess someone who owns one will have to tell us! It still may but I am unsure.
        • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        elvis1979 Yes, that's why I put it here. Hoping that there is someone who has HUB4 and would be able to comment
        The manufacturer states that the ports are only used to power the DP48 and DL8, so is it really so? Could someone from the manufacturer comment
        • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      GaryHiggins From the web page it still sounds like it SHOULD work "4 PoE Ports for Personal Mixers or Compatible Stage Boxes, 48/44.1 kHz AES50 In and Through"
      • November 3, 2020
    • elvis1979
      elvis1979 Rather, the question is whether this one port can stream more than 8 channels? Because if not, then it probably doesn't matter :(
      • November 3, 2020
      • HUB4 ports
        GaryHiggins I think if only 8 ch's they would have said that....or not mentioned stageboxes at all. AES50 is 48 ch's. I think when they say compatible they mean NOT 96k. Someone else will chime in.
        • November 3, 2020
  • vmorgan
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-09-14

    Hello,

    I've posted previously about having an issue with seeing the channel names broadcasted to the DP48 while using an SD8 with the Behringer X32 Compact. The community has helped with understanding the AES50 A & B streams. However, I still need help from the community to answer this question.

    Should the DP48 see the broadcasted channel names when connected to an SD series digital snake or should I be using the S or DL series digital snakes?

    What I've experienced is that the DP48 does not see the broadcasted channel name but does get the same channel setup and audio from the AES50 A side the snake box is setup on. When the DP48 is directly connected to a separate AES50 port on the mixer and NOT through the SD snake box, all the channel names are received including real-time name changes.  I've experienced this on the X32 Compact and WING mixers using the SD8 and SD16 stage boxes. 

    Tribal help is greatly appreciated.

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    • vmorgan
      GaryHiggins Did you try going to the DP48 first, and then on from the thru port to the SD? Just a thought, I sort of recall that being said way back when. Or use them on a separate aes50 line. I’ve only scratched the DP surface so others may have better info. Also what firmware for the DP? Lots fixed either the most recent one.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan No I haven't tried connecting the DP48 first and then coming off the B port of the DP48 to the SD16. The DP48 has been updated to v1.5.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Ok, you also use the setup within the X32? Firmware there is also the latest?
        • September 14, 2020
    • vmorgan
      vmorgan Yes the X32 had the latest firmware. Now using the Behringer Wing mixer with the most recently released update.
      • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins My Wing is on its way to be repaired (ghost touches) so I can't try it out but it may be a bug you have found. How about just dedicating one port for only DP48 use? Again I recall that being suggested in another thread as a solution in past firmware...or it was in my dreams!
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Yeah I read that thread back in June/July. That's the plan, but it requires two long runs of Cat6 ethercon cable to be ran.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        GaryHiggins Paul V. may be able to help out, he has worked with the DP48's for quite a while now. He will know if its possible or not yet implemented. Yes the extra cat run can be problematic. I would try the DP48 as the first connection for sure, no harm no foul.
        • September 14, 2020
      • A Journey with the DP48
        vmorgan Confirmed, it works going to the DP48 first and then to the SD16. It's just odd that you can't see the names the other way around.
        • September 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      AndreasKormann Did you also update the firmware of the SD16? Because I had an issue with S16 on old firmware.
      • December 15, 2020
    • vmorgan
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Vijay, if you are not seeing the channels on the DP48 when having the stagebox placed in between the console and the DP48, you need to update the firmware of that stagebox (eg. SD16). There was a bug that was fixed in the latest firmware update.
      • December 15, 2020
  • kevonavitch
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-07-23

    Hi,

    I have a few MIDAS DP48s for the band members. Running them from X32/M32 mixers. Been able to import group names and manually program groups. But I have not been able to figure out how to use the Auto Assign by group or color features. Do you need a HUB4 to use this capability?

    Also, I found an AES50 Group name assignment feature in the Library section of the X32-Edit software. I can input the information there but don't know how to push it out to the DP48. Does it also require a HUB4 to allow this feature to work?

    Thanks!

    Kevin

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    • kevonavitch
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Kevin,

      Are you getting the channel names and colors in the DP48 via AES50? If so the auto assign by color should work (based on those channel colors). I haven't used that feature for over a year now.

      The AES50 section of the library should work (as long as you are using X32 firmware 4.02 and DP48 firmware 1.4). You need to put the DP48 in slave mode (in the Setup). Then in the AES50 library (of X32) select broadcast to A or B (depending on which AES50 port you are using for the DP48)
      • July 22, 2020
    • kevonavitch
      kevonavitch Thanks, Paul. I really appreciate the quick answer. I had firmware 4.01 on the M32C and the new 1.5 on the DP48. Update the first. My issue might have been that I forgot to turn on the internal clock on the M32C (usually it is slaved to the X32 as a monitor mixer). I was able to get it to both pick up the auto assign and the library broadcast features. Worked beautifully!

      I had another question about where to tap the signal but I'll start another thread to create a separate headline.
      • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Paul_Vannatto Ah yes, 4.01 had issues. Updating to 4.02 will help. Glad to hear you got it working. I'll watch for your other thread.
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        • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        kevonavitch Another thought came to mind. When I first tried it, it was from my X32. But I had the DP48 daisy-chained after our SD16 stage box. Does the stage box potential strip out the channel messages from the X32. I think I recall reading that the DP48 should be wired first (which seems risky). And if that is the necessary to allow the channel messages to reach the DP48, how much latency would each box add to the signal in the chain (we have 3)?

        Sorry for all the questions! I'm finding it hard to get clear answers online since the product is so new.
        • July 24, 2020
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        kevonavitch I'm back in the practice room testing. It seems the stage boxes are the problem. When I put the AES50 directly in to the DP48, the broadcast works. With my two SD16s in between, the message does not reach. I notice the latest DP48 firmware talks about allowing name commands to go through stage boxes (I have 1.5 installed). I suspect I may have to update the firmware for the SD16s. Will give that a try and report back.

        Thanks again for your help, Paul.
        • July 25, 2020
  • mrbrettclark
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-07-12
    I have a Midas Pro2c and my musicians use the new DP48. I want to be able to talk to my musicians dp48s. Suggestions on how to make that happen? We used to be able to do it through our line 6 in-ear packs.
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    • mrbrettclark
      Paul_Vannatto If you are using the latest DP48 firmware (1.4), you can use AES50 chan 48 (both directions) as talkback. At least we can with the X32/M32 and Wing.
      • July 12, 2020
    • mrbrettclark
      Nigel67 Hi Brett, the DP48 only works at 44.1 or 48K whereas the PRO2C is 96K. You would need a DN9650 with an AES50 card to downsample from 96 to 48K. The channel info (LCD scribble colour/name/icon) from Pro Series is not shared to DP48 via AES50.
      • July 13, 2020
    • mrbrettclark
      ramagochi Unfortunately there is not a Pro version of the DP48 (A poor fix as Nigel wrote), a shame
      • September 10, 2020
  • YTS82Z
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2020-07-07
    Dear friends of the tribes I'm using the DP48 as a headphone monitor mixer in the studio with the M32R and a DAW running on a stationary computer, no big issues, BUT I also do gigging and tracking in rehearsal rooms and live, and for that purpose, I made a nice portable rig, with the same studio quality, by using the DP48 as a mini mixer with a DL16 , a KT DN9630 and a macbook. The latter DN9630 and macbook when tracking. For live performances, I intended to use the SD card player of the DP48, which also is the mixer and I/O for FOH and monitor through the DL16. Now for every firmware update, Midas has managed to remove functionality, add new features and introduce new errors. All the struggles I've had with AES50 on this unit, is a separate story (upstream/downstream bugs, distortion, mandatory 8 ch AES50 out instead of the 4ch, now using up all the DL16's outputs etc.), but right now, with firmware 1.4 it seems as the AES50 A & B finally works as described, but now the SD card playback doesn't give any sound. It is recording and it's also playing back, but no sound. Output source A and B are selected and the volumes are up :-) Anybody tried this? I'm not able to play live with the SD card now, do I have to wait for firmware 1.5? It seems as Midas/Behringer don't do proper functional tests before firmware releases - do You remember the M32 fader speed thing :-) Any help most appreciated Best regards Niels
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    • YTS82Z
      DavidKnighton Hello YTS82Z. This has been reported and confirmed as an issue with 1.4 firmware. A fix is already on the way. I have reports that the issue is not present on earlier firmware, so you may be able to downgrade the firmware in the meantime while waiting for the new update.
      • July 9, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Hi David. That's good news - Thank You.. As Nigel subsequently points out, it seems the problem will be solved within short, so I will wait for the official update. By the way, earlier fw revisions, e.g. version 1.3 also had its flaws, namely some issues in the AES50 streams when daisy chaining, which I do, so that ain't the way for me :-)
        Best regards
        Niels
        • July 10, 2020
    • YTS82Z
      Nigel67 Hi YTS82Z, I have a Beta version with a fix in that has been tested and confirmed fixed. if you would like to try this I would be more than willing to e-mail it over if you are interested. It is a Beta version though but we would be interested to have someone external test it and see that all the bugs are fixed. Send me your e-mail address if you are interested. I am told that this Beta candidate should be ready for release Monday or Tuesday next week, so if you could hang on til then.
      • July 9, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Hi Nigel. Thank You for fast reponse, it's most appreciated. Since I'm up for vacation next week, I will wait for the official update to be released. I will give You a feedback, when I've tried it out.
        Best regards
        Niels
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        • July 10, 2020
    • YTS82Z
      Indiana Just saw that version 1.5 is up on the website and should fix this issue.
      • July 17, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Hi Josh
        • July 18, 2020
      • DP48 firmware 1.4 No SD card playback?
        YTS82Z Thank You I will try it out this weekend. Best regards Niels
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        • July 18, 2020
    • YTS82Z
      YTS82Z Hi all
      FW 1.5 is released, and it corrects the SD card playback issue. When I got the time, I'll check, that other functions remain okay as well. Thank You Midas/Nigel for fast action on this, it's most appreciated.
      Best regards
      Niels
      • July 22, 2020
  • jojojoshua
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-06-22
    Recently installed 6 DP48 with a Wing console for our church. Question is concerning storage of presets on the DP48. When you store a preset, does it store both the A and B mixes on the one storage slot? Is there a way to store A and B mixes independently? we are using the A mix for our stationary musicians and the B mix fed back to the Wing and routed out to wireless IEMs for the vocalists. The musicians are usually the same but the vocalists change from week to week and it would be great if they could save their mixes separately from the musicians. In regards to the 8 channels returned on the AES50. Does anyone know if anything is on 7 and 8? Channels 1 and 2 are the A mix. 3 and 4 are the B mix. 5 and 6 appear to be the ambient mics. Thanks for the help.
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    • jojojoshua
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Eric, Yes both A and B mix are stored in the presets. Currently there is no way to separate the mixes. I had started developing a DP48 editor app last summer, but ran into a snag with the required checksum that has to be generated and added to the end of the file. When I get a chance, I'll try again to complete the app.

      Channels 7/8 are the Line In L/R
      • June 22, 2020
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