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  • ploudband23
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-03

    our band has purchased an XR 18 mixer. We want to buy a dedicated Chromebook (or similar PC) but I can't find a minimum OS requirement for this mixer. All we will be using the PC for is the XR 18 and songs to be played during breaks...help!

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    • ploudband23
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi James @ploudband23,


      Welcome to the forum. If it is a newer Chromebook, it will be able to run standard linux apps. Fortunately there is a version of X-Air Edit for linux which works very well with minimum OS requirements. There is even a version that works on a Raspberry Pi. One thing to make sure that the Chromebook does not require internet access, since you will probably be using a dedicated external dual band router (with no internet) for live events.


       

      • June 3, 2019
    • ploudband23
      RobertGerritsen

      I have used a chomebook in combination with a x18 at a gig. I had a Lenovo c330. touch screen is a big advantage.

      • June 3, 2019
  • jasonvsc
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-03

    Hi All, 

    I am a worship leader and I use Ableton Live for live multitrack sets every week. I was using a windows based pc for a while but I have switched to a mac (old pc kicked the bucket). I now have a problem that I can not fix. I am getting a bleed between channels. I can hear the click and the cues faintly in the house no matter what I do. Here is what I know.

    Its not my computer (Tried my buddies brand new mac that he uses for the same setup at another church, his did the same thing)

    It's not the cables (switched between several and settled on brand new shielded xlrs)

    It's not at the board (Even if I completely disconnect the click track send (xlr from the interface) the channel is still bleeding the same way. So no physical click/cue output and still getting click/que faintly) 

    It's not necessarily the interface (I hooked up a scarlett that did the same thing, just much more faintly)

    I have ran tracks for years and this is the first time that I have had this particular problem and it has me stumped. I could probably make the scarlett interface work because it has a downloadable "Scarlett MixControl" that allows you to specify settings for the interfaces interaction with mac. From what I have seen, there is nothing like this for the UMC404HD because it comes "plug and play" ready for a mac with default CoreAudio drivers. 

    Please let me know if you know of any software that I am missing that would allow me to control the interface a little better on the computer side or of anything that I might be missing. This past Sunday was an acoustic set at the last minute and it looking this same for next sunday if I don't get this resolved ASAP!

    Thanks and I look forward to the replies!!! 

     

     

     

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  • KC10
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-02

    Just bought an XR12 to use for live mixing of my 2 keyboards.  I was told to get a 2 band modem and use the 5G band due to possible cell phone interference at gigs.  Also, note that my iPad to run it will not be more than about 3 feet from the mixer at any given time.  Also, I use Windows 10 Pro for my computer and I'll be setting this up on my PC initially and was told to set up a Hidden Network...  Any suggestions on the modem and if the rest of this sounds like a normal way to get this going?  Thanks!

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    • KC10
      RexBeckett

      @KC10 


      Hi Ken, welcome to the community.


       


      The advice about using an external 5GHz router/access point for gigs is correct. The internal access point does not cope well in the presence of large numbers of smartphones. Also the 2.4GHz Wifi band is now too congested to be reliable - even for short distance connections.


       


      A suitable router would support 802.11ac Wifi, have multiple external antennae and at least two LAN ports. High speed is not necessary - AC750, AC1000 or AC1200 models will all be fine. Router models don't stay on the market for long so specific recommendations are not easy. I have an earlier version of the Wavlink AC1200 which works well as would many similar products.


       


      There is an argument against hiding the Wifi SSID which, in any event, gives little protection above that of using a strong WPA2 password. I usually disable the 2.4GHz Wifi on my dual-band routers (an option in Wifi setup) so that I don't inadvertently connect tablets to it. I also disable the router's WPS function as this is a well-know security flaw.


       


      It is easiest to have the router assign IP addresses to connected devices (DHCP Host) - usually the default setting. You can set your XR12 LAN as either a DHCP client (issued an IP address by the router) or with a Static IP address in the same IP subnet (so its address will always be the same). You can make these settings with a PC connected to the internal access point using XAir Edit Setup -> LAN. After clicking APPLY, switch the XR12 network mode to Wifi Client for a few seconds and then move it to Ethernet. It should now be possible to connect to the XR12 through the router attached to the Ethernet port either using Wifi or wired LAN connections.

      • June 2, 2019
    • KC10
      KC10

      Thank you for the input.  I just now saw your response and tried this out.  It did not work for me.  I am trying to set up the mixer on my PC, but will then use my iPad to run it live... I don't know if the mixer remembers the settings OR if I'll have to do any settings again on the iPad that I do on the PC.


      So...  I am hardwired from my router on my PC to the XR12.  I'm in setup/LAN/DHCP and I've put in my IP address, my Subnet Mask and my Gateway.  I had the switch in the access point position first, then moved it to the WiFi client position for a few seconds then to LAN.  It still says Not Connected  I've tried various combinations after hitting Apply and still get no connection...  Any other ideas?  BTW, I am using a Netgear router I have that is dual band...

      • June 6, 2019
    • KC10
      RexBeckett


      @KC10 wrote:


      Thank you for the input.  I just now saw your response and tried this out.  It did not work for me.  I am trying to set up the mixer on my PC, but will then use my iPad to run it live... I don't know if the mixer remembers the settings OR if I'll have to do any settings again on the iPad that I do on the PC.


      So...  I am hardwired from my router on my PC to the XR12.  I'm in setup/LAN/DHCP and I've put in my IP address, my Subnet Mask and my Gateway.  I had the switch in the access point position first, then moved it to the WiFi client position for a few seconds then to LAN.  It still says Not Connected  I've tried various combinations after hitting Apply and still get no connection...  Any other ideas?  BTW, I am using a Netgear router I have that is dual band...





      @KC10 


      A couple of points:


       


      When you select DHCP mode under Setup -> LAN, you do not need to enter the IP addresses or subnet mask. These will be provided by the router.


       


      If the router has both WAN and LAN ports, connect the mixer to a LAN socket.


       


      The network settings are only valid and editable when XAir Edit is connected to the mixer. So you need to connect your PC to the mixer's access point, connect XAir Edit to the mixer, change the network settings, press APPLY and finally switch to Ethernet to enable the wired connection. 


       


      If the PC has a valid Wifi connection, it may use this in preference to the wired one. Sometimes it is necessary to temporarily disable the Wifi connection.


       


      As the router will assign the mixer an IP address, it will be necessary for the apps to search/scan for it. In XAir Edit, this should happen automatically but you can also initiate it using the Rescan button on Setup -> Connection.


       


      Once you have the mixer network settings configured correctly, they will persist unless manually changed or the mixer is reset. 


       


      Assuming the router is set as a DHCP server (which is usually the default), both wired and wireless connections from PCs and tablets should be straightforward and they should all be able to connect to the mixer.

      • June 6, 2019
    • KC10
      KC10

      Thanks.  I got it connected!  Now to learn the mixer... I've got my keyboard on a stereo link in channels 1 and 2, but trying to figure out how to get sound out of it with the aux 1 input connected to a powered speaker.  The VU's are reading activity, but no sound... I'll watch some of the tutorials.

      • June 8, 2019
  • DonSealer
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-02

    Hopefully someone can answer this. I want to send a Stereo source from my Xr18 to a Stereo track in Reaper. I haven't been successful. Can anyone tell me how to make this happen?

    I do have the xr18 driver installed. I've been recording with this set up for almost 2 years. I can record mono tracks easily, done it thousands of times. Never tried to record a Stereo source. I run my Mic into a preamp to Reaper(usually channel 7). 
    So now I've linked 7&8 on the xr18 and send it to a Stereo pair in Reaper. But only one side records.

    Thanks,
    Don.....

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    • DonSealer
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DonSealer wrote:


      Hopefully someone can answer this. I want to send a Stereo source from my Xr18 to a Stereo track in Reaper. I haven't been successful. Can anyone tell me how to make this happen?


      I do have the xr18 driver installed. I've been recording with this set up for almost 2 years. I can record mono tracks easily, done it thousands of times. Never tried to record a Stereo source. I run my Mic into a preamp to Reaper(usually channel 7). 
      So now I've linked 7&8 on the xr18 and send it to a Stereo pair in Reaper. But only one side records.





      Sending a stereo pair from XR18 to Reaper should be no different than sending 2 mono signals. What USB channels do you have channels 7 and 8 assigned to (on the In/Out, USB Sends)?


      In Reaper, you would setup a track and select a stereo pair for the input.

      • June 2, 2019
    • DonSealer
      DonSealer

      Thank you Paul.  I got it.  It was simple.   I guess I was making it too complicated.  Can you answer this for me?  I posted the same question in the Reaper and this was one of the replies.


      "XR 18's usb only provides 8"


      Is that a true statement?


      Thanks again for your help,


      Don.....

      • June 3, 2019
    • DonSealer
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DonSealer wrote:


      Thank you Paul.  I got it.  It was simple.   I guess I was making it too complicated.  Can you answer this for me?  I posted the same question in the Reaper and this was one of the replies.


      "XR 18's usb only provides 8"


      Is that a true statement?





      No it is not Don. I can record up to 18 channels using my XR18 (or MR18) using Reaper. I've produced 2 CD's for a Catholic group using these consoles.

      • June 3, 2019
    • DonSealer
      DonSealer

      Thanks again Paul.  I've recorded maybe 6 to 10 channels at once but never tried 18 at once.  I wanted to reply to that comment but I wanted to make sure I had the right information.


      Don.....

      • June 3, 2019
  • SteveKatsikas
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-02

    Running windows 10 (64 bit) with an X32 as my interface.  Cakewalk is my DAW.  As long as the X32 is set to 48kz, all is right with the world.  However, if I change it to 44.1, audio from the internet or from wav files will no longer play.  Its as if Windows isn't following the change in sample rate.  I have a few Cakewalk projects in 44.1.  They actually play fine in Cakewalk when the X32 is set to 44.1 (they won't play if its 48khz).  But here's the issue. For any 44.1 project, when I render down, the audio always has a few clicks and pops in it.  These two issues are what makes me think I have a clock issue going on.  Here's what I have tried to solve it:

    1) using latest X32 audio driver (6.13 X-UF which is the right for my system)

    2) Updated the firmware on the X-UF.  X32 is running the latest firmware too

    3) Updated drivers for my video card and network card

    4) All windows 10 updates are installed.

     

    Any assistance or thoughts?

    Steve

     

     

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  • PilotMan
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-02

    Same post wiht files - We had scene files backed up on a laptop from our initial installation set ups of bands.   The original X 32 was damaged in a lightning storm. We replaced it with a new unit and try to import the scene files back into the X32.  There must be some difference between the files because 90% of our settings are not showing up on the board anymore. We did check to make sure that the safes were off.  Anyone have any idea of a way to modify the files in text edit to make them workable on newer firmware? 

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  • PilotMan
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-02

    Here's the jist of it. We had scene files backed up on a laptop from our additional set ups of bands.  The original X 32 was damaged in a lightning storm. We replaced it with a new unit and try to import the scene files back into the X32.  There must be some difference between the files because 90% of our settings are not showing up on the board anymore. We did check to make sure that the safes were off.  Any buddy have any idea of a way to modify the files in text edit to make them workable on new firmware?  Im sure Behringer knows how to fix this but they are no where to be found and do not resopnd to emails. 

    Can't even begin to express how frustrated I am right now. As a professional integrator for many years we have designed a lot of systems that work well with facility control systems and bars and restaurants. We integrated x32 into many projects and now have NO support when we run into problems in the feild that need to be solved immediately. 

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  • MaryM_Gill
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-02

    I sent a .scn file to a friend via email.  When he tries to load it, it says he needs permission.  I have never come across this before.  Any ideas or explanations?  I sent it as an attachment from my Surface Pro desktop and not from a cloud sharing program.  

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  • NormMast
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    Just curious about this.If I make changes in my loaded scene, such as routing settings or other changes. Does this affect ONLY that scene, or will other scenes also be affected? My hunch is only that scene, until I load that scene and save it to another scene, then it would apply to the other scene as well.Make sense?

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    • NormMast
      DaveMorrison

      @NormMast  Which product are you using?


      If you are talking about the XM32 mixers, this is usually true. Some settings can affect this though. 


       

      • June 1, 2019
    • NormMast
      Paul_Vannatto


      @NormMast wrote:


      Just curious about this.If I make changes in my loaded scene, such as routing settings or other changes. Does this affect ONLY that scene, or will other scenes also be affected? My hunch is only that scene, until I load that scene and save it to another scene, then it would apply to the other scene as well.Make sense?





      If you make changes and not save to a scene, it will not affect that scene or any other saved scene. If you have specific routing changes that you want to apply to all of your scenes, there are a number of ways to do that. Just let me know and I'll help you through it.


       

      • June 1, 2019
  • kinetic
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    Very happy to see Dimension D as an effect but it only is available as a side chain effect (unless I am mistaken).

    I thought the main use of the Dimension D was to process a signal fully wet.  Currently I want to process our singer's voice for one song through the Dimension D fully wet but I can't seem to find a way to do it.  I can imagine that at some stage in the future I will want to process guitars and keyboards the same way, both on stage and also in the studio (going into CuBase via the X32 USB card).

    Can anyone help?

    If Behringer is listening it would be very beneficial if this effect was available as a normal insert effect

    Thanks

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    • kinetic
      RexBeckett

      @kinetic 


      Hi Keith,


       


      The Dimensional Chorus FX does not have a wet/dry Mix control so is not suitable for use as an insert. You would not normally want to run it 100% Wet - unless it was in a bus pair with a parallel dry signal path (no obvious advantage over normal send/return usage).


       


      It doesn't appear in the list of insert-only processors for FX 5-8 as its computational requirements exceed the resources of those slots. 


       


      You could use X32 Snippets to switch the sends to a single FX side-chain slot so you could deploy the chorus for different sources during a gig.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      kinetic

      Thanks Rex.  From my old studio days I remember we used to process (as an example) a guitar through a Dimension D.  We would always only want the processed sound (none of the original unprocessed signals at all).  But the real issue here is that one of the real benefits of the Dimension D was it's stereo field.  Processing a mono signal through the Dimension D on a channel on the X32 only results in a processede mono signal, so you can't get that fantastic stereo spread effect.  Since I've only had my X32 Producer for about a week I'm still on a fairly steep learning curve - perhaps there is a way to route the vocal signal to a stereo bus and then put the Dimension D as an insert on that stereo bus and then route that out to the main outs?  But of someone can help here that would be appreciated.


      I'm pleased though that you mentioned snippets - scenes and snippets is an area that I am learning about now and perhaps I should start a new thread about this.  But I was hoping to be able to turn effect on and off live at a gig.  It seems that the only way you can do this remotely is via a midi switcher, but I am wondering how hard or involved it is to do it manually from the desk during the show (and how quickly does the desk react to the change - ie is the much delay between swirching an effect on or off via a snippet?)


      Thaks for your response Rex

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      RexBeckett


      @kinetic wrote:


      Thanks Rex.  From my old studio days I remember we used to process (as an example) a guitar through a Dimension D.  We would always only want the processed sound (none of the original unprocessed signals at all).  But the real issue here is that one of the real benefits of the Dimension D was it's stereo field.  Processing a mono signal through the Dimension D on a channel on the X32 only results in a processede mono signal, so you can't get that fantastic stereo spread effect.  Since I've only had my X32 Producer for about a week I'm still on a fairly steep learning curve - perhaps there is a way to route the vocal signal to a stereo bus and then put the Dimension D as an insert on that stereo bus and then route that out to the main outs?  But of someone can help here that would be appreciated.


      I'm pleased though that you mentioned snippets - scenes and snippets is an area that I am learning about now and perhaps I should start a new thread about this.  But I was hoping to be able to turn effect on and off live at a gig.  It seems that the only way you can do this remotely is via a midi switcher, but I am wondering how hard or involved it is to do it manually from the desk during the show (and how quickly does the desk react to the change - ie is the much delay between swirching an effect on or off via a snippet?)


      Thaks for your response Rex





      @kinetic


      Hi Keith, FX Send buses are always mono but the Dimensional Chorus, like most X32 effects, has a stereo return output. Check the processor's STEREO switch.


       


      You could insert the Dimension into a bus/pair using one of the FX1 - 4 slots. I've never had occasion to try this but maybe it will give you what you want. I use it in normal send/return mode and like the subtle sound. If you want 100% wet, you would need to remove the original channel from the Main LR mix and assign the bus pair to Main.


       


      Snippets are mini versions of scenes. If they are only changing a few parameters, they are almost instant. They are commonly used for changing settings during live performance and do this very well.


       


       


       

      • May 31, 2019
    • kinetic
      kinetic

      Yes, sorry Rex I was getting myself confused re the side-chain FX return, which is of course stereo.


      Thanks for your comments re the Snippets - back to the manual and YouTube!

      • May 31, 2019
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