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  • DanGallant
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-14

    Hi

    There was a thread on the old forum site that had scenefiles that we could download......are they still available ? If so where ?

    Thanks

    Dan

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    • DanGallant
      Paul_Vannatto


      @DanGallant wrote:


      Hi


      There was a thread on the old forum site that had scenefiles that we could download......are they still available ? If so where ?





      I don't recall any particular thread or section that was focused on providing scene files. We did make up a section to provide presets (FX, etc.). Maybe that is what you were remembering. I do have those and can provide them if you wish.


       

      • June 14, 2019
  • vassaux
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-14

    Hello!  I've tried following some of the instructions on here about connecting an X-Touch to an X32 Rack.  I'm using an ethernet crossove cable, have set both unit's IP Addresses to be in the same subnet (192.168.99.3 mixer, 192.168.99;4 X-Touch, 255.255.255.0 subnet on both),  I've tried the X-Touch as Master and Slave, I've listed the Slave address as the Mixer, and a blank address, when that didn't work.  I've checked the cable, also good.

    What switches need to be set on the Mixer, and on the X-touch as far a protocol?  MC, HUI, something not available on the X-Touch?  I've been waiting almost 24 hours for a response from Tech Support, and this unit leaves my office soon.  Thanks!  chris

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  • JanWilliams
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-12

    This is embarassing but I'm having a serious brain fart.  I just got a new S32 to use with my X32 Rack.  I'm getting input signals but no output.

    My configuration is ver simple:  Bus 1 thru 8 = Ouputs 1 thru 8 on the S32 (for monitor mixes.)

    Ouput 9-12 are designated matrix output

    Ouput 13 & 14 for Subs  and Output 15 and 16 FOH L & R.  

    All inputs thru the S32 are working (at least it's showing signal) but I'm not getting any ouput thru the S32.  I'm sure it's some simple routing issue but having trouble figuring it out.  Any help would be appreciated.

     

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    • JanWilliams
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Jan @JanWilliams, export your scene to a file, zip it and attach it to your next post (Choose File below) and we'll be glad to have a look.


       

      • June 12, 2019
    • JanWilliams
      JanWilliams

      Attached is the scene file.

      janscene.zip
      • June 12, 2019
    • JanWilliams
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Jan @JanWilliams


      Yes your Routing, AES50 A outputs are assigned AES50 A1-8, A9-16, etc. meaning you are assigning what is coming in from the S32 to the S32 outputs. What you want is to assign Out 1-8, 9-16 to the first 2 banks.

      Jan Scene-fixed.zip
      • June 12, 2019
    • JanWilliams
      JanWilliams

      Gosh, I feel really foolish.  I should have known that.  Thanks so much Paul.


       

      • June 12, 2019
  • MikeDavidson
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-11

    On my Macbook I have Showbuddy for a backing track system. I am using X32 for audio interface for Showbuddy (backing track) and it plays on Channels 1/2 on the mixer. Then we mix some live vocals and live stereo guitars on the other channels.

    I am trying to record our individual tracks in Logic X and setting Logic channels to match X32 channels makes all tracks record except 1/2. I am attaching a scene to see if anyone can tell me what I need to do to get channel 1/2 to hit Logic.  

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    • MikeDavidson
      MikeDavidson

      When I go to edit my message there is a zipped scene attached but it's not showing up on the original post. I will try this again here to attach file. 

      20190611_recording.scn.zip
      • June 11, 2019
    • MikeDavidson
      Paul_Vannatto


      @MikeDavidson wrote:


      I am trying to record our individual tracks in Logic X and setting Logic channels to match X32 channels makes all tracks record except 1/2. I am attaching a scene to see if anyone can tell me what I need to do to get channel 1/2 to hit Logic.  





      Hi Mike, the above explanation is conflicting. Do you want ch 1/2 to go to Logic (via the card out)? If you want the outputs to the card out (to Logic) to be identical to what you have the channel setup in X32, use the Ultranet instead of Local for the card out assignment (Routing, card out screen). If you don't want ch 1/2, start the individual output assignments with Direct Out Channel 3 (instead of 1) on the Routing, Ultranet screen.


       

      • June 11, 2019
    • MikeDavidson
      MikeDavidson

      @Paul_Vannatto Thank you Paul. Hopefully to be clearer I am doing dual purpose. Our norm is for Showbuddy to play our backing track using the X32 as the sound card. When I first started on the forum someone helped get it setup. So input 1/2 are using Card 1/2 as the source and the rest of the inputs are 1 to 1 with their channel numbers using XLR's.

      Then I started wanted to capture this in Logic on the fly while we are playing. Arming each track in Logic with corresponding X32 track number will record all the channels while we play exept it doesn't capture the 1/2 (backing) tracks that we are playing to. I will experiment with your suggestions. Do I have to plug anything into the Ultranet output or is it just a routing process?

      • June 12, 2019
    • MikeDavidson
      Paul_Vannatto


      @MikeDavidson wrote:


      Do I have to plug anything into the Ultranet output or is it just a routing process?





      No, the Ultranet is just a "staging area" in order to assign individual outputs to make up a bank of 8 that would be assigned to the Card Out.


       

      • June 13, 2019
    • MikeDavidson
      MikeDavidson

      @Paul_Vannatto Well I tried it tonight Paul and unfortunately it didn't work out. I put 1-8 on Ultranet and was able to get backing track on 1/2 to show up in Logic but channels 3-8 also ran thru the same 1/2 tracks and the faders on the mixer had no bearing on the input into Logic. It was just full out. 

      Card 1/2 for computer backing track mixed with analog in 4 thru 14 work great live. I just can't translate to separate tracks in Logic. 4-14 yes but 1/2 will not register in Logic. I could run Showbuddy backing track thru a different portable audio interface, like my Babyface, taking the outputs and running them into analog 1/2 on the X32 and make it work but was hoping to use the built in x-32 audio card.  

      • June 14, 2019
  • KenMartin
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-11

    Okay just to clarify my finding using Samplitude 4 Pro.

    I have two X Touch controllers running with Samplitude 4, according to the Magic help file the second controller must be a signed to Mackie XT  this is not correct. By trial and error the second controller must be a signed to Mackie Alternate Scale. Once a signed you will see two midi assignments for the X Touch. In my configuration the top is the master he is 1-8 and the bottom is the slave 9-16. Also please remember that when you open Samplitude you will need to always asign the second unit if you are using more than 8 tracks. Samitude does not save the config automatically, but this only takes a few second to setup so there no hardship. All fuctions work perfectly in sync and you can add up to for units if required.

     

     

     

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  • dv
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-10

    First of all, if this is the wrong place to post this, let me know.

    I recently acquired a Behringer Xenyx X1204USB mixer. However, the USB Audio output seems to be extremely quiet. Audio does come through, but I need to turn the main outs as well as the headphones volume control most of the way up to hear it. Even with these all the way up, it still is quieter than a whisper.

    I do not believe this is a problem with the computer or any other hardware, because I used an identical setup before, but with an iTrack Solo instead of a X1204USB (I use the 2-track outputs).

    The unit seems to be otherwise completely functional. Audio from other sources, including the XLR and line inputs, as well as the returns is outputted perfectly.

    I am going to try using a different USB cable to connect the mixer to my computer as soon as I get a chance, but I have used the cable currently in use with no problem before.

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much,

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    • dv
      RichardYClark


      @dv wrote:


      However, the USB Audio output seems to be extremely quiet. Audio does come through, but I need to turn the main outs as well as the headphones volume control most of the way up to hear it. Even with these all the way up, it still is quieter than a whisper.


      The unit seems to be otherwise completely functional. Audio from other sources, including the XLR and line inputs, as well as the returns is outputted perfectly.



      Don't quite understand where the problem is. I am confused by the two statements 'USB Audio output seems to be extremely quiet' and ' as well as the returns is outputted perfectly.' They seem to contradict one another. Where are you listening that is so low level?

      • June 10, 2019
    • dv
      dv

      @RichardYClark 


      I apologize for the confusion. Hopefully this clears things up.


      When I use the returns in conjunction with the sends on the mixer, everything seems to work fine. I often use the sends and returns to use miked instruments with pedals, and this works fine. However, when I connect the mixer to my computer, and play audio from the computer, the audio is outputted very quietly from the mixer. I did make sure that the volume was turned up on the computer.


      Again, sorry for the confusion. Thank you for the help.

      • June 11, 2019
  • jackduk
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-10

    After sitting on my desk for just a few weeks, I've noticed dust building up on my Deepmind 12D which I'm worried about as their are gaps in the sliders where dust is obviously going to gather. 

    Headed over to Decksavers as Facebook must have heard me mention it and then advertised it on my feed and their covers are tip top. Only thing is, they don't do any for Behringer! 

    Anyone know why? Or if any alternatives are out there that look just as good? 

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  • isaacmaestro
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-09

    Hey guys, I'm kind of new here and I'm just wondering how I should maybe go about doing this; I've seen some other posts on the topic but I am having a hard time figuring what the best course of action would be for us.

    So long story short I'm in charge of upgrading the sound in our church building and implementing an in-ear system since right now we are only using wedges and it's limiting us a decent amount.

    We have an X32 Producer in the back and an analog snake on stage with only 16 inputs and 4 outputs. I think I've decided on using the Presonus HP60 (2 of these) as a headphone amp and using the X32 app to mix individually. This will still be a much cheaper option than the p16s and we can still have good quality. We have nine or ten members on stage that would be using a stereo iem.

    So obviously we're limited by our current outs so I was thinking about getting an S32 and getting rid of the analog snake on stage, this would provide us with more inputs (which we are needing as well) and close to enough outputs for what we would need. Any thoughts? How would I go about setting this up with the Cat 5 cable? I understand we could also get an X32 Rack but I fear we would not have enough outs for the in-ears. 

    We are looking at making a gradual transition so I'm contemplating what to change first.

    Thanks for any help guys, I really appreciate it.

    @Paul_Vannatto 

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    • isaacmaestro
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Isaac @isaacmaestro,


      Welcome to the forum. From what you describe of what you want to accomplish, I don't think two Presonus HP60 are going to provide an acceptable solution, particularly for multiple IEM (stereo) application. Each HP60 only provides 2 stereo (balanced) inputs for all headphone outputs and a stereo (unbalanced) for each headphone outputs. What I've learned is that IEM users will have difficulties sharing stereo mixes with others, meaning that each will want their own customized stereo mix. 


       


      The P16 (Ultranet) eco-system provides an alternate solution for up to 16 individual signals using the Ultranet bus (which can also be sent down the AES50 cables to stageboxes). The downside is that it is limited to 16 signals. 


       


      If you don't plan on using the P16's (due to its limitations or cost factor), you will need to use mixbuses (2 per stereo mix) within the X32 console. Each console has 16 mono mixbuses available. Typically the last 4 are used for sidechaining to the first 4 FX slots. If not all 4 FX are needed, then those mixbuses can be repurposed for IEM mixes. If you plan on having 9-10 stereo IEM, that still leave the mixbus capability short a few. Therefore you will need 18-20 outputs, but also 18-20 mixbuses to provide the desired IEMs. Add to that, you will need more outputs for FOH speakers, subs, foyer, nursery, etc.


       


      My suggestion is to get an X32 Rack and an SD8 or SD16. This will not only provide sufficient outputs but also sufficient mixbuses (between the 2 consoles). For the IEM's, if the musicians are relatively stationary (eg. keyboard, bass, drums, etc.), you could provide the Behringer P1 wired headphone amps for each musician. For those who move around and require wireless, I just got a Carvin EM900 and it seems to be a very nice unit and it is "church budget compatible". I won't know how it works in a live event until August. But it does have excellent reviews.


       

      • June 9, 2019
  • RexBeckett
    Superhero - Level 3
    2019-06-09

    People sometimes ask how they can control their XAir or X32 mixers using a footswitch. Usually they just want to switch FX on/off or perhaps load a Snapshot/Snippet. These simple actions can be achieved over Midi and enquirers are directed to threads that explain how to build suitable footswitches. That's fine for DIY electronics enthusiasts but sometimes people want an off-the-shelf solution. I decided to test some of the ready-made products.

    I only investigated products that were capable of sending Midi Control Change messages to toggle mutes or mute groups. This excluded many small Midi footswitches that can only send Program Change messages. I also excluded devices that did not have built-in DIN Midi outputs. Products designed for USB Midi could be used with USB/DIN Midi converters but that adds another box so it isn't an ideal solution.

     

    One option is the Midi Solutions Footswitch Controller. This is available in single, dual or eight-switch versions. All versions can be powered by the Midi output from an XAir or X32 mixer. The units can be programmed to send various Midi messages in response to inputs from simple momentary or latching footswitches. Programming is done with free software but does require the use of a USB/Midi interface or cable.

    These controllers support a wide range of Midi messages. The most useful, for use with XAir/X32 mixers, are Control Change messages for toggling mute groups. The controllers can also send two different System Exclusive messages when a footswitch is toggled. This can be used to send XOSC commands to load Snapshots or Snippets for more complex switching requirements.

    The single switch version works well for toggling one mute group - to disable FX sends while talking - or to switch between two Snapshots/Snippets. The larger models could be used for more complex switching.

     

    The MeloAudio MIDI Commander is a much more comprehensive footswitch. Although primarily designed to control guitar processors, it provides two custom layers that can be programmed to generate Control Change and Program Change Midi messages in response to the various switches. This is a very well-constructed device that can be powered by two disposable or rechargeable AAA batteries or with a USB power supply. Programming is performed using the footswitches and OLED display.

    The MIDI Commander can be used to control some XAIR/X32 functions but there are restrictions.
    Each custom layer uses the same Midi channel for all the switches and optional expression pedal. Using Midi channel 2, this allows mute groups to be operated with Control Change messages and it can load X32 Snippets with Program Change but the expression input is not usable. It would not be able to load XAir Snapshots on the same layer as mute groups.

    When a switch is set to generate Control Change messages with a toggle, the on action sends value 127 and off sends 0. The nearby LED indicates when the switch is on. This can be confusing when used with an X32 - when switching a channel/bus mute, the LED indicates that the channel/bus is muted but when switching a mute group, the LED indicates that the group is unmuted.

    When a switch is set to send a Program Change, the program number is determined by the bank switching so is not freely assignable. Sending a Program Change turns off the LEDs on Control Change switches so, although the actual mutes don't change, the footswitch no longer displays the current status.

    There is no provision for setting the starting state of the switches. After switch-on, it is necessary to click any Control Change switches one or twice to synchronize the mixer and footswitch.

    These restrictions reduce the functionality of the MIDI Commander as a controller for XAir/X32 mixers. It works well enough for controlling mutes and mute groups but the other functions are not really usable.

     

    The Source Audio Soleman is a highly configurable footswitch. It only has four switches but their actions are individually programmable with a wide range of options. Up to 64 named panel layouts can be programmed. On each panel, the LCD displays the panel name and the user-defined three-character name of each switch. Panels can be selected by pressing two of the switches simultaneously - or with an optional external footswitch. The Soleman includes an input for an expression pedal and can be calibrated to suit most pedals. The unit can be powered with the included 9V power supply or via the USB port. I power mine with a USB power-bank so I don't need to run a mains cable. Programming is done over USB using the free editor software.

    The actions of each of the four switches in a panel can be programmed with few restrictions. Each switch has a name, a default state, a latched/momentary/radio-button mode, an on action and an off action. The actions can be one of the commonly-used Midi messages on any channel and with any data values. Actions can also trigger macros - sequences of Midi messages. This is a very powerful feature that can be used to achieve complex switching. Macros can include System Exclusive messages so support XOSC commands. A simple example is to use macros so that a switch mutes one group and unmutes another - and the reverse when toggled. As the on and off actions are programmed individually, the meaning of the status LED can be set as required.

    The Midi channel and controller for the expression pedal can be programmed for each panel layout. It is possible to set minimum and maximum controller values so an expression pedal could be used, for example, to operate a channel/bus fader between, say, -30dB and 0dB for gentle level control.

    Setup macros can be defined for each panel layout. These will be run when the unit is turned on or a different panel is selected. These macros can be used to synchronize the mixer and footswitch so that the status LEDs reflect the actual mixer state.

    The Soleman includes support for Midi Tap Tempo but not, unfortunately, in a way that works with XAir/X32. On these mixers, setting tempo over Midi requires calculating the delay time, constructing an OSC command to set the appropriate time parameter for the required FX slot, encoding the command as an XOSC hex string and sending it as a System Exclusive Midi message. This is so specialized that it is unlikely to be supported by any general-purpose Midi footswitch.

    The Soleman is not a low-cost Midi footswitch but it has the flexibility to provide good control of XAir/X32 mixers over Midi in a small, well-constructed package. The only way to get better control would be to build one of the DIY designs that use OSC commands over a network connection.

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    • RexBeckett
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Rex @RexBeckett,


      Very good and comprehensive summary of commercial solutions to the age old question of midi footpedal control of the X-Air/M-Air and X32/M32 consoles. Thanks so much for doing all that research and taking the time to provide this summary. Wish we could sticky it like we could in the old forum.


       

      • June 9, 2019
    • RexBeckett
      Moamen

      thank your for sharing your experience
      If I want to use control change messages of the MIDI Solutions controller, X-live card has to be installed or it isn't necessary?
      (because I will replace it with X-Dante card)
      thanks

      • May 30, 2020
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett


      @Moamen wrote:


      thank your for sharing your experience
      If I want to use control change messages of the MIDI Solutions controller, X-live card has to be installed or it isn't necessary?
      (because I will replace it with X-Dante card)
      thanks





      @Moamen 


      No you would not need to change the option card. The Midi Solutions controller connects to the DIN Midi sockets on the console. It needs to connect to both as it gets power from the console's Midi Out.

      • May 30, 2020
    • RexBeckett
      Moamen

      thank you for your help 


      Actually I plan to purchase  MIDI solutions  F8 to control M32C but I want to ensure that I can mute/unmute by sending CC message from a toggle switch.
      Are there any considerations that I have to take care of it 

      I will assign
      -a switch to mute/unmute BUS 


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute Chanel


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute "mute group" or "DCA group'
      Is this device capable to do that?
      Thanks again

      • May 30, 2020
    • RexBeckett
      RexBeckett


      @Moamen wrote:


      thank you for your help 


      Actually I plan to purchase  MIDI solutions  F8 to control M32C but I want to ensure that I can mute/unmute by sending CC message from a toggle switch.
      Are there any considerations that I have to take care of it 

      I will assign
      -a switch to mute/unmute BUS 


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute Chanel


      -a switch or more to mute/unmute "mute group" or "DCA group'
      Is this device capable to do that?
      Thanks again





      @Moamen 


      Yes that should all be possible with the F8. All the mutes are simple Control Change messages. You can program the unit (with the free, downloadable tool) to be triggered by mometary or latching switches.

      • May 30, 2020
  • DanGallant
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-09

    Hi People

    Can someone tell me the settings so I can adjust the E Q  on my X Air 18 .

    I want to set the F O H settings ...then the Monitor E Q ....

    Right now when I use the Channel E Q    the F O H   and the monitor E Q   settings have the same build....

    Thanks

    Dan

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    • DanGallant
      RexBeckett

      @DanGallant 


      Hi Dan, you can set EQ separately for the Main LR and monitor bus mixes. For Main LR, click the Main LR button to the left of the main fader, click the scribble-strip above the main fader and then open the EQ tab. For the monitor buses, click on the appropriate bus button to the left of the main fader, click the scribble-strip above the main fader and open the EQ tab. 


       


      EQ for Main and buses can be set to Parametric (PEQ), Graphic (GEQ) or True (TEQ) with the radio buttons on the EQ tab.

      • June 9, 2019
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