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  • Fishman
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-30

    After much googling, help from this site and trial and error I have managed to get 6 seperate stereo IEM feeds from my XR18. 

    I'm in a 6 piece band and originally was going to settle for 6 mono IEM feeds but having experienced stereo I knew it was so much better and I managed to figure it out so each person can use their phone to mix their own personal IEM mix.

    Equipment used to achieve this is:

    - XR18

    - 8 channel mic splitter

    - 8 channel headphone amp

    - xlr snakes 

    - laptop

    The XR18 provides 6 aux outs which I used to create 3 stereo mixes. The main LR out is used for the 4th. The headphone out is used for the 5th (2 effects slots are routed as 5th) The laptop is used for the 6th via usb routed into Reaper and feed through the headphone out of the laptop. 

    I am splitting 8 mics before they go to FOH (4 x vocals, 4 x drum mics) and running line outs through Dis from bass, guitar and keys.

    It all goes into XR18 for processing, a bit of reverb added and 2 x ambient mics mixed in. We are using wired connections but this could easily be run to wireless systems.

    We use the M Air Q app on phones for 3 aux mixes, custom Mix Station layer on phone for the main LR mix and another custom layer for the effect slot mix. Reaper has its own web interface control app which is used for the 6th. Very happy so far.

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  • KevinMaxwell
    Super Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-29

    X32 rack as the IEM Mixer in a church. I was talking to the fellow who is in charge of the sound crew, made up of all volunteers. And we were talking tonight about how to save the different singer and instrumentalist’s mixes. I said that maybe one could make a snippet for each person. So when that person is part of the band their starting IEM mix can be recalled for them. But it looks like snippets doesn’t have the granularity to do that. We have discussed it and they want mono mixes for the IEMs. So each Mix Bus will be an individual’s IEM mix. Is this something that we would have to use Paul Vannatos Live Tool box to accomplish and then how does one quickly store changes to that mix? Or is there another way to do this.

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    • KevinMaxwell
      GaryHiggins

      If I understand your post, a simple scene save should capture your mixbus changes. Would be important to remember to do so otherwise the previously saved scene settings would get recalled every time you load that scene and not the changes just made. I'm sure that Pauls program could do the job (probably better) but would not be required to do a simple save operation.

      • July 29, 2019
    • KevinMaxwell
      KevinMaxwell


      @GaryHiggins wrote:


      If I understand your post, a simple scene save should capture your mixbus changes. Would be important to remember to do so otherwise the previously saved scene settings would get recalled every time you load that scene and not the changes just made. I'm sure that Pauls program could do the job (probably better) but would not be required to do a simple save operation.





      Gary thank you for your help getting this setup working, our phone conversation really helped me.


       


      This one’s a bit more complicated than a simple scene save. There are a bunch of different singers and instrumentalists and the combinations are many. So I am looking for a way to save and recall each individuals’ IEM Mix when it is their day to participate in the service. I almost said show.


       


      For example if they have 20 different singers and about 5 of them participate on a Sunday, I want them to be able to recall each of those 5 singers preferred IEM mix. Say on one Sunday Adam is on mic one and IEM mix one, but on the next Sunday Mary is on mic one IEM mix one. I would like the person mixing the house sound for that day to be able to recall the right combination of preferred mixes. Now this may only be a starting point for each of them but it is better than starting from scratch each Sunday to setup their IEM mixes. I am not a complete novice to snippets but I couldn’t get snippets to do exactly what I wanted. I played around with this setup in snippets trying to do this and if I could select in the Parameter filter the individual Bus send instead of “Bus 1-8 Sends” then I could do what I want.


       


      I haven’t used Paul’s toolbox enough to be as comfortable with it as I would like. As I was typing this I downloaded the latest of Paul’s Live Toolbox and I see that I can edit a snippet so it only recalls one Mix Bus, but that takes some time to setup (edit) and when I save it again in the X32 edit software it overwrites the edited snippet losing all of the configuration I edited. I wonder how hard it would be to make a little utility to accomplish what I want. I might have as many as 16 people on the different IEM mix sends and many more than that to choose from on any Sunday.

      • July 29, 2019
    • KevinMaxwell
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Kevin @KevinMaxwell,


      Sorry for the delayed response. Had to get in my beauty sleep, etc. 


       


      You are correct that snippets are the way to go to accomplish what you want. Unfortunately the snippet GUI in the X32/M32 is not granular enough, as you have already noticed. But snippets can be created from a known good scene to be granular enough using Scene Parser which is an offline scene to snippet parser/editor. Live Toolbox is an online tool that uses tidbits (snippets on steroids) instead of snippets to accomplish similar results. But for your application, the snippet route is probably the better solution.


       


      The best way to start is to save a scene or scenes with all of the monitor mixes setup in place. Then:


      * load each scene (one at a time), select the appropriate channel filters (second column) and parse. This will extract just the channel OSC command lines with the values.


      * The next step is to delete all of the channel OSC command lines that are not mixbus related. This can be done manually in the Results editor, or you can use the Range replace and delete tool. The best approach is to use the replace feature to move channel mixbus lines from say channels 1-32 to 33-64 temporarily. Then use the delete feature to delete the remaining channels 1-32 OSC lines. Finally use the replace feature to change the channels 33-64 back to 1-32.


       


      Scene Parser also has a script feature built-in that can automate all of this. I can help you set that up if you wish.


       

      • July 30, 2019
    • KevinMaxwell
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Kevin @KevinMaxwell and Gary @GaryHiggins,


      Just got thinking about this whole thing. This request of saving monitor mixes comes up frequently and there is currently no easy tool to accomplish this. What I should do is create a macro in Scene Parser, similar to the Channel Arranger tool to extract the desired channels and mixbuses and create the desired snippet. I won't be able to tackle this until next week at the earliest, since I'm getting things ready for a big event (6 bands over 2 days) this weekend. But I have in mind how to do it. Stay tuned.


       

      • July 30, 2019
    • KevinMaxwell
      KevinMaxwell


      @Paul_Vannatto wrote:


      Hey Kevin @KevinMaxwell and Gary @GaryHiggins,


      Just got thinking about this whole thing. This request of saving monitor mixes comes up frequently and there is currently no easy tool to accomplish this. What I should do is create a macro in Scene Parser, similar to the Channel Arranger tool to extract the desired channels and mixbuses and create the desired snippet. I won't be able to tackle this until next week at the earliest, since I'm getting things ready for a big event (6 bands over 2 days) this weekend. But I have in mind how to do it. Stay tuned.


       





      Thank you Paul for all of the help you have been to me and all of the others on this forum.


       


      That would be great. I was also trying to figure out if there is a way to make a standalone utility that would enable you to actually modify each mix on a simple display of faders. And then be able to save the different Mix Bus mixes one at a time and also be able to recall the needed mix from that utility.

      • July 30, 2019
  • yosoychema
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-29
    Hi all. I have an x32 compact and rack and I want to use the rack for live.
    The idea is to process the voices by sending the effect (from 13-16 buses) to the two voices and control the amount of effect on the return via midi pedal.
    I have already configured all this. The question I have is, if I want to send to the FOH technician's table the three voices processed by my X32 rack (monitor table), are they sent in mono or stereo? At the time of taking them out I suppose I have to do it using 3 or 6 buses (depending on whether it is mono or stereo) But I already use 8 buses for the 4 in ears and buses 13-16 are occupied by the evolution of the effects.
    However in my S32 I have 16 outputs, of which the 13-16 are free but in the console they are occupied by the sending of effects.
    If I use physical output 13 and 14 for a voice how do I control this if buses 13 and 14 on the console are occupied by the sending effect?
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    • yosoychema
      RexBeckett

      @yosoychema 


      Hi Chema, welcome to the forum.


       


      If you can explain more about what you want to do, we may be able to suggest a solution. Are you using the X32 Compact for FOH and the X32 Rack for monitors? How are the two consoles and the S32 connected? It would also help if you saved your scene files and attached them to your post (See Choose File button below). 

      • July 29, 2019
    • yosoychema
      yosoychema

      No, i´m using the compact in the studio (with a S32) and then we load the sesion in the x32 rack one for live(also with the S32). We have a split for every channel to give the FOH the original signal except the vocies that we process  with fx in eh x32 rack. So it´s better to give this post fader voices in stereo to the FOH? For that i need to use 4 xlr outs. So as i can see i can use the 16´s xlr outs for ie monitoring and voices post fx output, but in the mixer from the 13 to 16 faders are for the fx sends, so i can not controll the 13 to 16 xlr outs in the mixer. How can i controll these 13 to 16 xlr outs of the S32 in the mixer? I hope these is clear to you, if not ask me.


      Thanks for help.

      • July 29, 2019
    • yosoychema
      Paul_Vannatto


      @yosoychema wrote:


      No, i´m using the compact in the studio (with a S32) and then we load the sesion in the x32 rack one for live(also with the S32). 





      If you are expecting to use the same wet/dry FX mix that you use in the studio for a live event, you will be very disappointed. Mixing for a live event (whether indoor or outdoor) is very different than mixing in a studio or for IEMs. I would suggest that you save the FX presets for each of the FX you have developed in the studio and load those into the FOH console. Then have the FOH engineers blend those FX with the dry signals for the event. I guarantee that it will be different, but more correct for the environment than the mix you have at MON console.


       

      • July 29, 2019
    • yosoychema
      yosoychema

      The idea is give to the FOH man the voices signal alreday wet with fx and eq procesed but, he can change some paremeters in the sound check with our ipad in the X32 rac monitor mix if he have some issues with the eviroment differences. We have to do this in the cases when the FOH mixer is not a X32 or Cat5 compatible. We have to do it like this cause both singers we have a midi pedal controll over the X32 rack, and we up and down the FX retrurns faders (one reverb and one delay each) depends on the moment of the song. We are doing a dream pop and ambient music with the voices also. We can not give to the FOH tecnical (if it not ours) the fx control mix cause this.


      We did sominthing this in the past with a  fx voices pedals giving already wet signal to the Foh and it works. I know is not ideal but not always have our tecnical man with a X32. What do you think? Better to give it to the FOH the wet signal in mono or in stereo from the S32 out?

      • July 29, 2019
    • yosoychema
      Paul_Vannatto


      @yosoychema wrote:


      We did sominthing this in the past with a  fx voices pedals giving already wet signal to the Foh and it works. I know is not ideal but not always have our tecnical man with a X32. What do you think? Better to give it to the FOH the wet signal in mono or in stereo from the S32 out?





      Reverbs and delays usually get a mono dry signal (eg. bus 13-16 to feed FX 1-4) and produce a stereo wet signal, and this wet signal does not sound the same in mono (try it).


       


      I have done sound for a few performers that had an FX unit on their vocal and provided me the resulting blended signal. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - and its frustrating to the FOH engineer when it doesn't and he has no control to fix it.


       


      Since you are changing the FX constantly within the songs (as you described) using a midi footpedal, in order to emulate the FX unit you used before, I would suggest you setup a stereo linked mixbus pair (eg buses 9/10) and feed both the vocal dry signals as well as the wet FX returns to it, just like you would for an IEM mix. Then assign that mixbus pair to an output (eg. on the Routing, Out 1-16), which would be then assigned to the AES50 feed to FOH. Then give the FOH engineer a tablet with Mixing Station so he can fine tune that mix for the environment. 


       

      • July 29, 2019
  • AlbertMitchell
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-28

    Just curious if anyone here has tried the presets DBB Audio is selling ($47). If so, how do they compare to the ones compiled by the community here?

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  • AlbertMitchell
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-27

    I've got an XR18. Had it for almost exactly 2 years. I don't gig much, so maybe used it a dozen times.

    The input on channel 7 is suddenly really weak. I've tried the 1/4" and XLR with the same result. It's weak and super muddy. I've made sure all the settings are the same as the channels around it. I unplug the mic from 7, plug it into 8 (or any other input) and it works like normal. Plug it into 7 and it sounds like I'm under water.

    I've tried loading a known good scene. Updated to the latest firmware and as a last resort, did a factory reset.

    Same result no matter what. Channel 7 seems dead.

    Anyone else run into an issue like this? Any chance there's a setting I'm missing somewhere? I assume the factory reset would eliminate that possiblity, but I guess I'm grasping at straws here.

    It should be covered under warranty, I'm just hoping I don't have to go that route.

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    • AlbertMitchell
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Albert @AlbertMitchell,


      Just to rule out any possibilities of an odd setting, save your scene (with this issue) to a file and attach it to your next post. We'll be glad to have a look and better advise.


       

      • July 27, 2019
    • AlbertMitchell
      AlbertMitchell

      Here you go. Thanks @Paul_Vannatto 

      TM-lowInput7.scn
      • July 28, 2019
    • AlbertMitchell
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Albert @AlbertMitchell,


      Just checked out your scene file, and loaded it into my MR18 and both channels (7, 8) work fine here. Have you tried another mic cable?

      • July 28, 2019
    • AlbertMitchell
      AlbertMitchell

      Yeah I've tried different inputs, mics, cables, 1/4", XLR. No dice no matter what. Thanks for verifying it's not some setting I missed.


      I do get SOME input on #7, it's just really weak. If I crank the gain I can get a almost loud enough signal, but I have to really crank it way higher than any other channels and it still sounds like it's underwater.


      I've filed a warranty claim.

      • July 28, 2019
    • AlbertMitchell
      AlbertMitchell

      My mixer was returned to Behringer, repaired under warranty and is back in my hands.

      • August 20, 2019
  • Jpizzle0621
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-26

    I believe that the aes50 Port A from the x32 is not working. I need to resolve this before Sunday. How can I route s16’s from the x32 using port B. I need all the help I can get as I am not a tech. Thanks in advance 

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    • Jpizzle0621
      Paul_Vannatto


      @Jpizzle0621 wrote:


      I believe that the aes50 Port A from the x32 is not working.


      What are the symptoms that lead you to believe that the A port is not working?


      I need to resolve this before Sunday. How can I route s16’s from the x32 using port B. 


      Goto the Routing, AES50-a screen and duplicate those banks of 8 assignments to the Routing, AES50-b screen.





       

      • July 26, 2019
    • Jpizzle0621
      dilbert_3000

      We have an s16 with a bad port A, the port will not light up. (suspect power influence)


      We can however get the X32 to synch to the S16 B port.  We read where people had used the B port to limp along until a replacement was received. 


      Can you use the B port as the primary interface instead for a cascading box?  We tried to setup the inputs 1-8 on AES50B 1-8 identically to the AES50A 1-8, but we cannot get any audio from the S16 at the console.

      • September 24, 2019
    • Jpizzle0621
      dilbert_3000

      Until we can get a replacement we switched to X32 B port to a S16 A port temporarily. Apparently something happened to the X32 port a when the lightening took out the s16. Now you cannot get a good synch to any box off x32a, just hit and miss, up and down synch. We don’t know if software is corrupted or a hardware problem with the a port now. 

      • September 26, 2019
    • Jpizzle0621
      RexBeckett


      @dilbert_3000 wrote:


      Until we can get a replacement we switched to X32 B port to a S16 A port temporarily. Apparently something happened to the X32 port a when the lightening took out the s16. Now you cannot get a good synch to any box off x32a, just hit and miss, up and down synch. We don’t know if software is corrupted or a hardware problem with the a port now. 





      @dilbert_3000 


      Hardware damage is more likely but you could reload the firmware to be sure. Have you checked/substituted the AES50 cable? It is important that there is end-to-end continuity between the Ethercon shells.

      • September 26, 2019
    • Jpizzle0621
      dilbert_3000

      We kept the same cable, just switched ports on the X32. The cable works without an issue X32 B to S16A. We just can’t get anything to synch off X32 A. 

      • September 26, 2019
  • pianopop9
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-25

    Can anyone tell me what scene the X Air loads by default on startup? I cannot figure it out no matter what I try. Is it the last file loaded? Does it do its own auto saves periodically? I'm stumped. 

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    • pianopop9
      UlfBoettcher

      @pianopop9 


      The X-Air mixers all come up at power on in the exact state they have been before powering off. You do not have to use scenes to work with the mixer.


      However, as Dave (@DaveMorrison) wrote in the other thead, there is a setting to mute faders at startup. If you are using the ipad version to control your mixer, this is on the SETUP->AUDIO/MIDI page.


      261E3162-1F79-4803-9741-1CFFEADA66F3.jpeg 

      • July 25, 2019
  • timtrace
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-25

    Greetings, is it possible to use a commercially-available, foot-operated remote device to tap tempo on the X32 internal effects?

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    • timtrace
      Paul_Vannatto


      @timtrace wrote:


      Greetings, is it possible to use a remote device to tap tempo on the X32 internal effects?





      Yes you can. Mixing Station Pro (for android and iPad) has tap tempo included with the mutegroup popup screen. If you want a physical remote tap device such as a foot pedal, you can do it using an arduino (see this thread).

      • July 25, 2019
    • timtrace
      timtrace

      Paul, thanks for telling me about Mixing Station. Wow, what a great app. I can fly around in there at a speed unattainable with the MT apps.

      • July 25, 2019
    • timtrace
      Paul_Vannatto


      @timtrace wrote:


      Paul, thanks for telling me about Mixing Station. Wow, what a great app. I can fly around in there at a speed unattainable with the MT apps.





      Glad to hear that you discovered our beloved Mixing Station. I've been using it since David first released it (Aug 2013) and have been one of his biggest fans (and salesman ). If you enable the tap tempo (in the settings, app), the tap tempo buttons will be included with the mutegroup buttons (icon at the top with little squares).


       

      • July 25, 2019
    • timtrace
      PatrickGMaillot The foot controlled/operated part will not do it for Mixing Station on a tablet What is the reason for a *Commercial* product? Warranty? Support? You want to resell them? or what's 'wrong' with a non-commercial product? -Patrick
      • July 26, 2019
    • timtrace
      timtrace

      Fair questions, Patrick.


       


      I am not in any way, shape, or form prepared to start up a business manufacturing, distributing, and retailing MIDI footboards. I'll leave that to Keith McMillen.


       


      A commercial product will function as designed, and it will have support and product warranties behind it. A home-made prototype will take time and resources to design, fabricate, assemble, test, and debug, and the builder will be responsible for all support. It seems reasonable to attempt the easier solution first.


       


      I've found an example, but it's more of a boutique item than a commercial product: https://youtu.be/6Q2eEqOFmAE


       


      This having been said, I've warmed to the idea of building my own footboard with tap-tempo control. I blame Paul and his willingness to share information.


       


      If you review my post history you'll see that I'm contemplating a swap from an old A&H iLive system to an X32 system, mostly because I've grown weary of the sub-par iLive remote control software on iOS. I'm only on the fence because iLive has 2x the busses of X32, and all 8 FX are assignable anywhere, but ... that iOS app is truly miserable.


       


      It is absolutely a requirement that I be able to tap tempo with a remote footswitch, hence this topic. On my iLive, I constructed a buss muting and and tap-tempo system using the A&H PL8 module and a handmade footswitch and it's been working perfectly for many years. I'm trying to get there with the X32.


       


      I'm completely new to Arduino, but I've got experience in related areas. This will be an adventure for sure.


       


      My shopping list:
      http://amzn.com/B01EWOE0UU - Uno R3
      http://amzn.com/B07F96FF8G - 9V power, if I don't have one around here
      http://amzn.com/B07GD2BWPY - jumpers, still looking for multipin headers
      http://amzn.com/B01LZKP12X - MIDI cable for output


       


      Do you guys have any examples of a sturdy footswitch case to house the Uno, five switches, LEDs, and a panel-mount MIDI jack? Something that can't be crushed when a 225# male stumbles onto it in the middle of a set?


       


      Paul's notes in other topics and the CC numbers in the sketch don't seem to match up with the MT docs I've found so far. https://kb.musictribe.com/musickb/view/article/behringer/en_US/X32-What-Are-The-MIDI-CC-Values I'll need to modify the sketch to mute/unmute busses rather than the FX returns, so that my reverb and delay tails continue after tapping mute. Can you guys point me in the right direction?


       


      Thanks for the conversation

      • July 27, 2019
  • Dragon
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-25

    Has there been any thought put into a physical remote control surface for these consoles? Something that’s a bit more reliable then an iPad on WiFi?  I see the x-touch can be compatible however it is originally geared more towards the recording market. Something like the x touch but laid out more like the x32 surface for use with the remote software. Another option would be a full on surface with minimal I/O for those of us that use stageboxes and only need a few local courtesy inputs at FOH (BGM, talkback, etc.). Maybe even an output for a monitor or iPad integration instead of the little built in screen? Might open up the potential for use in other situations and make the truck pack a little lighter while still having the hands on tools some prefer. 

    Thoughts? 

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