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    GregWarren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-07-19

    I have 6 DP48s and they've been rock solid until last Sunday when we used them. I had some completely drop all signal coming into them. It seemed like 1 worked and the rest dropped out. They eventually reconnected but that's a no-go when you're using a click track. Suggestions?

     

    My signal chain: Midas M32>AES50B>DP48>DP48>DP48>DP48>DP48>DP48

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    • GregWarren
      GregWarren I did some digging around and found that my firmware was woefully behind on the dp48s. It was 1.5 and I updated to 2.2. My 2 DL16s were 2.4 and I update to 2.5 and my Midas M32 is 4.02 so I think we're good there. I will have practice Wednesday and update if I have more signal loss.
      • Jul 19
    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Hey Greg, are you using proper AES50 cable (shielded with ethercon ends)?
      • Jul 19
      • Dropout on DP48
        GregWarren I'm running shielded cable but it's not ethercon.
        • Jul 20
    • GregWarren
      Paul_Vannatto Hey Greg, Brian Wynn proved to us (back in 2013) that the ethercon ends are very important in shielding the cable from ESD (electrostatic discharge) which results in AES50 dropouts. So if you have low humidity, this may be the source to your dropouts.
      • Jul 21
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    BerndVanPraet
    Contributor - Level 2
    2021-07-19

    Hi,

     

    Is there a way to change where the VU-metering picks of in the audio chain ?

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    • BerndVanPraet
      ChaseMcKnight Hi @BerndVanPraet if you navigate to the Metering preferences ( Preferences / DSP Configuration / Metering) you have the option of changing output channel meters between Pre Fader & Post Fader.
      • Jul 19
    • BerndVanPraet
      BerndVanPraet

      ok, the question I got from a tech was, the meters above the faders, are this showing PRE fader, after the whole chain of ' gain - dyn - eq - insert.

      • Jul 19
    • BerndVanPraet
      ChaseMcKnight Hi @BerndVanPraet , the surface meters above the faders default to Pre Fader for Input Channels and Post Fader for Output Channels. Yes, that's correct; it’s metering the signal post-processing but pre fader.
      • Jul 19
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    msteel
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-14

    We have an M32 (full size, original non-live, still running v3.11) installed in a venue for over a year now.  One of the uses of the space is a classroom, in which case the system operates unattended.  In the past few weeks there have been a handful of times I have discovered the console not passing audio.  Visually, everything looks fine and the screen, buttons, and LEDs are responsive.  But no audio.  Notably, when I recalled a snapshot to make sure settings were correct, the console rebooted.  After that audio was working as intended.

    This behavior began recently and is relatively frequent - every couple of days or more often.  Of course it is possible that the console has failed in some way, but I'm not yet convinced of that.  I'm not aware of any power problems in that location either, although this particular system is not on a UPS.

    A significant change that coincides fairly well with the beginning of this behavior is related to some automation I have implemented using OSC commands over the network.  A recent feature change had the automation system continually setting some scribble strip colors and channel mutes twice a second.  Probably about 14 OSC commands per second altogether.  In some ways this feels like a lot of traffic, but it really doesn't seem excessive compared to something like real time meter updates or fader moves on an iPad app.  All the same, I am wondering if it is  somehow too much data to send and is crashing something in the console.

    I've read all the release notes I've found in case there was a known issue my automation could be triggering, and nothing seemed to stick out.  But updating to the latest firmware might still be a good idea, I suppose.

    In the mean time I've retooled my automation to reduce the frequency of the parameter updates.  I will see if that seems to make a difference.

     

     

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    • msteel
      Paul_Vannatto Hi Matthew, what app are you using to send the OSC commands remotely? Are the OSC commands properly formatted (4 byte aligned, big endian, etc.)? The reason I ask is that during my early development of Live Toolbox, I would frequently send incorrectly formatted commands that would generate an error on the console which would result it a freeze until either I cleared the error or rebooted the console. Patrick has this well documented in his X32 OSC Protocol document (page 11) found here:
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Snbwx3m6us6L1qeP1_pD6s8hbJpIpD0a/view
      • Jul 14
      • M32 stops passing audio, possible connection to OSC
        msteel I have seen that error dialog before, but am not getting it now. My automation system is based on Node Red which in turn is based on node.js and javascript. The commands are generated from Javascript strings and include padding characters. They work as intended (i.e. the desired effect is seen on the surface) and do not generate an error dialog. The system is powered on 24/7, though, and since the problem showed up about the same time as my changes I was suspicious about the long term effects of continuous commands. You know, maybe my changes were revealing a memory leak or buffer issue that wouldn't show up on a system that was power cycled more frequently.
        • Jul 14
    • msteel
      Paul_Vannatto I would suggest that you update the firmware to the latest version (4.06). Make sure that you backup your scenes, snippets, etc. (export the show will back those up) as well as the library presets. Also make note of the settings on the first 4 screens of the Setup. Firmware 4.x now provides the ability to backup everything.
      • Jul 14
    • msteel
      msteel I updated the firmware on this console to 4.06 a while back and a few days ago the issue happened again. As a result I did some testing. Since the M32 is installed and in daily use my ability to test on it is limited. However, I also have an X32 producer at my disposal and decided to set it up as a test bed. Here is what I have found out:

      * This issue has now been observed on M32 v3.11, M32 v4.06, and X32 Producer v4.06. This means it is not limited to one version of firmware, and happens on both Midas and Behringer versions of the console.
      * The original automation was sending 7 OSC commands 1-2 times per second. The console would hang every few days.
      * Reducing the number of commands to 7 commands every 5 seconds or so greatly reduced the frequency of the console locking up. Maybe a few weeks?
      * In my test setup I sent 10 commands approximately 100 times a second. Under these circumstances I can make the console crash after about 15 minutes. Being able to reproduce the issue relatively quickly has allowed me to gather additional data.
      * When the console crashes, the message "Checkpoint: target.cpp: 93" appears at the bottom of the screen. At this point the console no longer sends audio to any outputs and the meters are frozen at the last level. Additionally, OSC commands no longer have any effect. However, the surface user interface including mute buttons, LEDs, and screen all appear to respond normally.
      * After the console has crashed, recalling a scene causes the message, "Checkpoint: target.cpp: 86" to appear briefly before the console reboots.
      * To measure if the exact number of OSC commands is always the same, I included in each burst a command to set the name of channel 1 to the number of bursts sent so far. This way when the console crashes I can tell exactly how many bursts of messages have been sent. This number is not exactly the same but appears to be fairly consistent and somewhere around 100,000 bursts (1 million OSC commands) at the time of a crash.
      • Nov 10
    • msteel
      Paul_Vannatto Thanks for the detailed write up. The developers are aware of the issue and will be fixed in the next firmware release.
      • Nov 12
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    BrotherBruce
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-12

    The text on M32 User Manual p22 does not seem to follow the image shown of the Dyn page in the user interface.

    Specifically, I'm interested in the function of the Mix (0-100%) knob shown. I cannot find where it is described. I'm guessing it will implement parallel compression by adjusting the wet/dry ratio, but am confounded by the lack of description. When set to 100% does that mean there is no dry signal passed?

    Is there another source of info on this product? I'm familiar with digital consoles in general, but each implementation is different and I cannot find the detail I'm seeking in many areas. I've read through all the M32 threads in this forum, downloaded all the documentation and searched in vain for a help file or more specific information. I really don't want to burden this board with continual questions about control function, location and detail, considering most of the questions here are of a more advanced nature.

    Thanks in advance for your helpful replies.

     

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    • BrotherBruce
      Paul_Vannatto Yes that is correct. 100% mix results in 100% wet signal (0% dry). The reason the user manual does not describe it is because the manual is based on firmware 2.0 and the mix function was added in a later firmware update to provide functionality primarily for parallel compression application.
      • Jul 12
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    MarkNorgren
    Contributor - Level 3
    2021-07-09

    Just an observation that happened last week after a gig.  I have a Midas M32R and all QSC speakers.  We hired another sound guy to run my equipment.  He owns a similar system of brand x stuff.  He came up after the gig and complemented me on the sound we had dialed in on the M32R!  Said it sounded way "cleaner" than his stuff!  I think it was an "ah-ha" moment for him on the difference between sysyems.  We also had comments from the audenice on the mix and sound from the nights performance.  It's so nice to get that kind of feedback!

    Just thought I would share that since most of the time these forums get overrun with problems, complaints, and suggestions for more.  I have yet to have a moment of regret for buying this board!  Have a great weekend everyone!

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    • MarkNorgren
      DavidKnighton Hello MarkNorgren,
      Thank you for posting. It is definitely nice to hear a genuine 'WIN' every now and then. It definitely helps the cause knowing that their are users out there who are having successful experiences. Feel free to post a link to your band so we can check out your music/productions.
      • Jul 9
      • Rave to Midas!
        MarkNorgren I do occasional work with this guy from time to time. It was notable to me because I always knew my system performed better than his brand x. It was nice hearing it from him. Unfortunately, my band is booking larger shows and I may be forced to buy more speakers! But the good news is that between my M32R and the Dl32 box, I'm covered in that department!
        • Jul 10
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    Mynameiscooper24
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-08

    For some reason it is impossible to connect to my m32C right now. 
    I have tried two different routers, I did dchp, static, nothing is connecting. 
    the Ethernet port on the back of the m32C is a steady orange. No green activity light. 
    when I set the console to dhcp is pulls an op address of 169.254.48.120

     

    any ideas or support ? 

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    • Mynameiscooper24
      Paul_Vannatto Good chance you have a bad ethernet cable or the RJ45 ends are not pushed in all the way and latched.
      • Jul 8
    • Mynameiscooper24
      DavidKnighton Hello Mynameiscooper24,
      That IP address looks very similar to a Dante address. If you are using a computer with Dante Virtual Soundcard installed, or a router that is latched onto a Dante network, consider moving to an isolated network or turning DVS off.
      • Jul 9
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    TwinTurboz
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-08

    Ive been using bus sends for musician monitoring while recording which works fine.  But it ties up many sends.  I finally picked up a Midas DP48 to play with.  My question is,  How do I send individual DAW tracks to the Midas DP48.  I want to record bands, but use my "go to" vst plugin effects and send that wet signal to the DP48 for musician monitoring.  Would I utilize the User Ins/Outs ?  Just choose "User In" and select "Card 1-32" ?  Will that send those DAW channels to the DP48 ?

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    • TwinTurboz
      Paul_Vannatto The DP48 gets its signals from the AES50 (A or B) feed. So whatever you want to send to the DP48 needs to be done on the Routing, AES50 screen. If for example, you have the DP48 connected to the AES50 B port of the M32, assign the Card banks to whatever you want to send to the DP48 on the Routing, AES50 screen (AES50 B1-8 to 41-48)
      • Jul 7
    • TwinTurboz
      TwinTurboz

      Thanks Paul. On another scenario. Say I wanted to utilize the Midas onboard "Gate" on each channel being fed to the musicians. Can I set the tap points on the DP48 to be "post effects" but pre fader ? Sorry if the questions seem stupid, but Im slowly learning how to utilize the Midas. Im probably over thinking everything. I have six musician feeds set through stereo bus sends (I posted on that a year or so ago and you helped). But like the idea of freeing up those busses. But want to tap each channel going to the Midas DP48 either at the DAW channel out or tap after the Midas onboard channel effects. Thanks

      • Jul 8
    • TwinTurboz
      TwinTurboz

      Forgot to add. Everything I have read point that AES50 tap the signal before onboard effects (at the preamp) Am I wrong ?

      • Jul 8
  • New
    joshmooresound
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-07

    Feature Request: To be able to have 2 (or more) Mackie Control protocol control surfaces to control M32-Edit/X32-Edit.

    I have a Waves FIT contoller, which has 16+1 faders. I can control the M32C via OsiMIDI, as I can add more than one contoller at a time (the Waves FIT uses a lot 8 and 8+1 fader configuration for Mackie Control). It'd be great if I could use the controller to fully integrate with the Edit software.

    I can also see that this would be of use to connect 2 seperate controllers together.

    The Waves FIT controller would be a fantastic way to control the M32C, and I could quite see that it'd be a good competitor setup to the Waves LV1.

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    NathanvanderMark
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-07

    Hello, i wanted to download the M32 software on my 13" 2020 M1 mac, but it gave the pop up that apple could not check if this software was safe. And that i had to contact the developer and update the software as well.

    While my mac and the software i was downloading was the newest available. 

    MacOS Big Sur and M32-edit 4.3

    anyone who knows a solution?

    Please comment

     

    Nathan

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    JackMatthews
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2021-07-06

    I'm currently in the market for the M32R Live when they come back out in Oct. of this year. I see that there are M32Rs that are available, used. Whare the differences btween the both?

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    • JackMatthews
      Nigel67 The only difference is the style of the switch caps and the expansion card in the rear. The M32R had the USB card fitted whereas the M32R-LIVE has the Live card fitted. The M32R hasn't been made in at least 3 years now I think. Apart from that, internally everything else is the same and the software is the same. The DN32-LIVE card can be purchased separately and fitted into an M32R which will make it an M32R-LIVE except for the switch caps.
      • Jul 5
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