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  • escafia
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-23

    Hello all, i looking to buy a M32 and add a Dl 32 on stage, i never work with the desk , so i was  playing with the virtual app to get familiar. I have one question. The input channels that are patched from the DL32, do i have control of the HA gain in the nob on the surface and all the Phatom in  the ON/OFF bottom? Or do I need thru the setup tab to have access to them?

     

    Thanks in Advance!

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    • escafia
      Paul_Vannatto


      @escafia wrote:


      The input channels that are patched from the DL32, do i have control of the HA gain in the nob on the surface and all the Phatom in  the ON/OFF bottom? Or do I need thru the setup tab to have access to them?





      Once connected and sync'd with the DL32, you will have HA control (gain and phantom) in both the channel strip and the Setup, preamp screen.

      • April 23, 2020
  • AlexShostak
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-18

    Hi, we just got a used Midas PRO1 not to long ago and it came with a firmware version G3.4.6-(Build-10), today I download and installed the latest firmware from Musictribe website, and now the console shows G3.4.6-(Build-9), did I just went a firmware back? It is kind of confusing because the firmware we just installed added the new features that we didnt have before (VSS4 Reverb...), so does Midas go back on numbers when it comes to firmware builds? or was there some custom firmware installed in the console before we got it?

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    • AlexShostak
      Ishai

      Alex- while that new reverb is AWSOME- do NOT use it in a show or at the minimum do Not edit it live- you will loose audio as there are not enough computing resorces in the console.  I lost audio for about 3 seconds attemting to edit the reverb during a show and it was confirmed by other users calling in to the music groop as it happened to them. (You can no longer call in, it realy sucks!)


      Ishai

      • April 18, 2020
    • AlexShostak
      KevinMaxwell


      @Ishai wrote:


      Alex- while that new reverb is AWSOME- do NOT use it in a show or at the minimum do Not edit it live- you will loose audio as there are not enough computing resorces in the console.  I lost audio for about 3 seconds attemting to edit the reverb during a show and it was confirmed by other users calling in to the music groop as it happened to them. (You can no longer call in, it realy sucks!)


      Ishai





      When you say you lost audio are you talking about losing all audio or just the audio that was going thru the reverb?

      • April 19, 2020
    • AlexShostak
      Ishai

      I lost all audio. 


      Ishai

      • April 24, 2020
    • AlexShostak
      Nigel67

      Hi @Ishai , I saw your post on the webinar yesterday regarding the issue with the VSS4.  Personally I have not heard of this issue, however I think you were on the late webinar which was aimed at the USA audience, so maybe you have been in contact with the Vegas Team.  I will send you a private message so that I can get your e-mail address and we can start discussing the loss of audio you mentioned.  We may also need a video from you so that we can re-produce the drop out.  I will update this post for other watchers when we identify the issue.

      • May 12, 2020
    • AlexShostak
      Nigel67

      As promised, I am updating everyone regarding the report of the VSS4 audio drop out.  I have checked the console logs that the customer kindly sent over.  The issue was found to be that the wireless router (Mixtender app) was connected to the console and powered, but the server on the console had not been started.  The console therefore thinks that the router is part of the system i.e an IO box and sends messages to it trying to identify what the unit is.  The router however is on a totally different network and also cannot send messages back to the console (it is a 'dumb' unit).  The MC continues to send out messages which eventually start to swamp it.  What tipped the MC over the edge was when the adjustment of the VSS4 was made.  This sent more messages to the MC to change the parameters which caused the application to restart and a loss of audio for 2 -3 seconds.  When switching the server on, it switches the ethernet port on the MC into another state where it isn't sending out message to identify the unit connected.  A customer support notification was sent out, however with people buying consoles second hand, etc, it has probably not been seen by a lot of people.  I have attached the notification here.  To sum up, if you have a wireless router connected and powered, then the server should be started.  Otherwise, we advise that if the wireless router is not being used, then to either switch it off or unplug it.  I would advise that if you do use the mixtender app, then best practice would be to switch the server on everytime the console is powered.  This issue is quite random, it doesn't happen that often.  Many people work with the router switched on but the server off and have never experienced the issue.

      Midas_PRO SERIES Ethernet Control Port Connection Service Support Document.pdf
      • May 27, 2020
  • gslavonia
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-16

    Hi everyone,

    would really appreciate advise on this one.

    i use the M32R as a recording Interface with ProTools 12.4. (Converters and Mic pres sound great btw)

    I'd like to try and integrate an analog mix bus into the signal chain.  I assume I'd use the Inserts on the M32R.  I'm having trouble figuring this out between the I settings in ProTools and how to properly route the M32R.  

    Has anyone done set this up?

    @ChaseMcKnight

    @RexBeckett

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    • gslavonia
      DaveMorrison

      @gslavonia 


      Do you want additional processing as you're recording or processing on the mixdown? Internal FX or outboard gear?

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      Hi Dave


      my plan is too start with an analog chain specifically for mix down.  I'd send a stereo signal, process it and then print it in ProTools.  If there are additional inserts available, I may also configure to use hardware as inserts on individual channels within ProTools.  First I want to set up the analog chain for the mix bus.


      @DaveMorrison

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      To answer your question, mixdown.


      For tracking, I am good.

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      DaveMorrison

      @gslavonia 


      To use an insert go to the Routing : Aux In tab and set the channels you want to use as inserts Ins I . Then you can insert it on a pair of channels, Busses, Matrixes, or the Main LR bus. It's possible to send channels to a mixbuss pair. Then to the LR bus. Then to a Matrix, then to USB and back to ProTools. It's complicated, but it can work. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble, but we can help you if you want to try it.

      • April 16, 2020
    • gslavonia
      gslavonia

      @DaveMorrison


      It does sound complicated but I would like to integrate external hardware and the M32R is my interface, so absolutely, I'd appreciate the advise.


       


       


       


       


       


       


       


       

      • April 16, 2020
  • AlexShostak
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-12

    Hi everyone, can anybody explain how would I setup a Midas Pro1 board to be used as a FOH and monitors, but still get lowest latency for the in-ear monitors that are fed thru the mixbus?  I tried to watch the tutorials on Delay Compensation, but did not really understand which setting is suppose to be used when.

    Thank you,

    Alex.

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    • AlexShostak
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @AlexShostak 

      I would first try the standard FOH Mix preset. This does compensate for everything - inserts, alignment of verbs and FX, and Graphic EQs. This should still be within the safe amount of accrued latency to not cause issues however if so, then try FOH Mix (Low Latency). When selected, you'll see which parameters will no longer be compensated. If you're not using channel inserts, for example, then turn them off and you'll save 0.84ms of overall latency. 

      • April 13, 2020
  • AlexShostak
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-11

    Hi everyone, I am a new user of a Midas Pro1 desk and been trying to learn how to correctly and efficiently set it up.  Just had an idea of finding and downloading a showfile somewhere online to see how others set it up, but with no luck.  If anyone who uses this type of a board can post your showfiles I would really appreciate it.  Also looking for channel and FX presets to load up into the board to help out with the start up.  

    Thank you.

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    • AlexShostak
      DanielPaine

      Hi Alex,


      The Pro Series (Unlike M32) was designed for the user to fully customize - hence why nothing is on and all is blank at default.  There is a great walkthough of the Pro2 on the Midas youtube channel which shares the same approach as the Pro 1 here:


      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrRUFGi_hWXRafnUa8moQkeBk2TkJIXV-


      I hope the 3 videos here will at least give you a better understanding of all the parameters required to setup a show file.


      Be aware that other example show files may have significantly different configurations and patching etc..  even different stage box connections.  This may not be helpful as it might not transfer well to your system.  Being a professional mixer however will allow you to do 99% of the things you'd expect.  It's therefor just a case of applying your own ideas to it.  i.e. Parallel compression etc. 


      I'm sure other members will contribute some show files and presets, but generally this is of personal taste as well as specific to the application hence why this isn't as abundant in the community share.


      I hope the links help.


      Daniel


       

      • April 13, 2020
    • AlexShostak
      VincentPouly Hi,
      As Daniel says, Show files can be really different due to your needs, and your mixing "style".
      However, I can share reverb preset, who are not from me but from another PRO1 french user, Ziggy.
      https://gofile.me/3FMkZ/IwUDSUsMA

      Hope this can help.
      Vincent
      • June 13, 2020
  • vita
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-08

    Midas, can you solve the pro2 offline editor compatibility issue with catalina O.S? Please!

    I need this app very mutch, to work at home.

    I am a Portuguese soud engeneer.

    Thank you.

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    • vita
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @vita 

      While the Pro2 & Pro1 Offline Editors are currently not compatible with macOS Catalina, the ProX OLE is. I would suggest using it. Because of our console showfile compatibilities, you can import/export show files to/from a Pro2 using the ProX Offline Editor -- just know anything past the Pro2's input count and FX slots won't populate in the desk if exceeded in the editor. 

      • April 10, 2020
    • vita
      vita

      Tested. The proX offline editor doesn't work either!

      • April 10, 2020
    • vita
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @vita 

      Updating my post:
      It seems the G3.4.6rel-9 OLE for ProX isn't compatible with macOS Catalina. Until we have an update that is compatible with macOS Catalina, users should stay or roll back to macOS Mojave. 

      • April 13, 2020
    • vita
      Derric_West

      It has almost been a year since Catalina was released.  There should be compatable version by now!!!  Please update soon.

      • May 12, 2020
    • vita
      cpc1981

      Any chance of an indication when this might be made available for Catalina? Obviously not a pressing matter while the world is broken, but a rough idea/indictaion that this is being worked on would be very helpful.


      cheers

      • May 13, 2020
  • LaurMorun
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-04-08

    Hi there.

    Yesterday my Ipad Air updated the software, after a hard reset. Everything works fine, except for the fact that i can`t find Mixtender2 in the AppStore. As if it isn`t there.

    Any thoughts about it?

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    • LaurMorun
      LaurMorun

      Hello again. 


      I solved it:



      Apologies but there has been an admin issue with the App Store where by many of the Midas app downloads are currently unavailable. The development team are aware of this and hope to have the issue resolved as soon as possible. 



      We have been advised that this may take up to 24 hours so please check periodically, I hope this helps.


       


      At your service,


       


      Dale Minaker 


       

      • April 8, 2020
  • dbmantom
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-04-07

    My church has an M32 at FOH, M32c for IEM's and an x32 for Online mix. All have very old firmware, 2.xx. Can I upgrade to 4.02 in one step or do I need to upgrade to 3.12 first. And will either upgrade erase my routing?

    Thanks for your help.

     

    Tom

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    • dbmantom
      Paul_Vannatto


      @dbmantom wrote:


      Can I upgrade to 4.02 in one step or do I need to upgrade to 3.12 first. And will either upgrade erase my routing?





      Welcome to the forum. Yes you can upgrade from 2.xx to 4.02 directly. But it is important to backup your cues, scenes and snippets as well as the channel, effects and routing presets (in the Library). Usually the cues, scenes and snippets will remain. But has been reported of erasing some of the presets. Also go to the Setup section and note the settings in the first 4 screens (tabs). The new firmware will reset these to factory default, and these are not saved in show, scene or snippets.


       


      Routing is included in your scenes. If you are using routing safes, make sure you know what your master scene is that sets the routing. 


       

      • April 7, 2020
  • JRita
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-04-06

    I spend all day testing the mixer Dynamic settings to emulate transient responses of particular microphones, it works to a point as a transient emulator, and can be usefull.
    EQ lines of particular microphones are very easy to transpose.
    I used impulses and pink noise to get an accurate mic image, next I tested the best settings I could achieve with the Gate, Comp, Low Cut and EQ, and the result is very interesting and similar to the original mic, some better, others worse.
    I could achieve better results by using a transient designer on the FX section, but I don't want to use an FX slot for this purpose, to have the freedom to mix with all effects available, and without limits for channel use to mic modeling load.

    Pros:
    It is easy to store and very quick and easy to load Mic Model settings, even from a USB pen.
    It provides interesting EQ and Dynamic settings from popular mics
    Low Cut can be adjusted to work as the real mic
    It is possible to load on diferent channels the same profile of an expensive mic
    By reversing the gain settings of EQ bands it is possible to flatten the original mic source, for example by pluging a SM57, then loading a SM57 profile, next reversing the EQ curve it is possible (to a point) to get a flat signal from the source.
    It can be usefull for decisions of what mic to purchase by experimenting with different instruments, vocals etc.

    Problems:
    It uses channel dynamics and EQ section; but it can be changed anyway, or use FX slots for additional EQ or Dynamics.
    Proximity effect can be adjusted as the real mic behaviour but it takes an EQ band, reducing mic EQ resolution, of course proximity effect will never work real time as a mic.
    Polar patterns can be added but will never emulate room, ambient reflections, unless reverb is added.
    It can duplicate frequencies of some mics, by pluging in an D112, and using the D112 profile the mic characteristics will double.
    To work at best, the sound source must be captured as neutral as possible.

    I am working of some rare RCA mics, when I finish them I will put the profiles available for download.

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    • JRita
      RexBeckett

      @JRita 


      Hello José, welcome to the community.


       


      That's an interesting project. I shall look forward to seeing your finished profiles. I am reminded, though, of a saying from the world of signal processing: There are no adjustments that can make a donkey perform like a race-horse. 

      • April 6, 2020
    • JRita
      JRita

      I've finished 3 models for testing.
      Two classic mics: RCA 44, AKG C12; and the common Shure SM57.


      I'm very happy with the results, after extensive testing, they sounded not exactly the same, but very close and definitly have the same frequency spectrum.
      The transient response is very difficult to emulate, and it is very far from the original, but it is as close as I could get, and it certainly defines more character and realism to the profiles.


      How to use:
      Download the Zip, extract it to a USB pen.
      You should have a Microphone folder with 3 profiles inside.
      Plug the USB pen to your X32/M32
      Press Library, Utility, USB Drive Import, select (Microphones) Folder, Press All, Import; profiles are now loaded.
      (CAUTION It will erase your own Library profiles)


      How it works:
      Press Library, you should see the 3 profiles on the channel tab.
      Press SELect on the channel you want to load the mic profile, and press Load Preset. You can load to various channels very fast by pressing Sel and then Load.
      VERY IMPORTANT - Adjust you signal level input to -18dB for optimal performance.
      Low Cut - Simulates the original mic Low Cut switch, if it is not present it wont do anything.
      Gate & Comp simulate the mic transient response, you can turn it off or adjust it to you taste.
      EQ - Press LOW and adjust the LOW GAIN to simulate the Proximity Effect, it reacts as the real mic, default is as far as possible with no proximity effect. The rest of the EQ settings simulate the mic frequency response.


      Trick - To neutralize the mic frequencies of a real mic plugged in in order to get an aproximate flat response, reverse the image of EQ settings.(Change + to - and vice versa of every setting). You will have to choose the same profile of the mic your connecting.

      ANOTHER TRICK -  try to use this as a master stereo EQ, very nice results as if the whole image is captured by a stereo pair.

      Microphones Test.zip
      • April 8, 2020
  • jdmundt7358
    Contributor - Level 1
    2020-04-05

    We've recently purchased the Midas M32C, along with the KLANG:fabrik, and we connect them to each other via Dante.The signals for each channel come over to the KLANG from the M32C pre-fader, pre-effects. So the only thing we can control in the M32C is the gain. The KLANG:fabrik only has EQ, no other effects. We'd like to add effects such as compression, gate, EQ, etc. to the channels in the M32C, so they sound better through the KLANG. Is there a setting in the M32C where the channels can be sent over to the KLANG post effects?

     

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    • jdmundt7358
      zigson

      Hello


      I guess you use it in a studio ?? (monitoring for musicians)


      how many sources are you using generally ? there are different ways for routing the incoming sources to the outputs ! one is what you use already : the incoming sources are directly re-routed to the card outputs...


      the other way would be to route the inputs to the mixers channels (where you can apply some comp, gate or EQ) and than from there to the busses and from there to the outputs (Dante -> Klang) ! as you have 16 normal busses (and 4 of them are normally used as FX busses) and 3 main busses, that means you can output at maximum 19 sources individually... or create some submixes (or stems) for your musicians...


      and you can even add 6 more outputs by using the 6 aux-insert points (you don't need to activate the insert-loop) just select one of the 6 aux-inserts for a given channel and make sure that the patch is done right and the source will be outputted directly...CARD-OUTs must be patched to AUX1-6M; and the AUXes have to be configured as inserts ("I")


      make also sure the insert-point is selected as "post" so that eq and comp are taken into account (the gate is always before the insert-send)


       


      one more possibility is to use "Ultranet" virtually; that means : your are routing your sources to the mixers channels (INPUT-Tab); than you are routing the Direct-Outs in the "Ultranet-Tab" to the Ultranet-Outputs (make sure to have them post-eq ! and in the Card-Tab you re-route these Ultranet-Channels to the Dante-Outputs


       


      and in combing all these possibilites you can easily achieve the 32 sources-rerouting individually (and even add some Effects like reverb or delay)


      but maybe it would be easier to provide both : sub-mixes /stems and individal sources to the musicians ..?!


      hope that helps ..?


       


      pay attention especially to the fact that there is no latency-compensation at all in these consoles !! that is really a bad thing in these M32, because there are lots of different latencies depending which routing you use (and depending of activation of insert-loops or which FX-module you'll use) -> differences in latencies create different phases for given sources !! this may have some audible incidence especially in 3D monitoring as used by Klang !! so be aware of that !!

      • April 5, 2020
    • jdmundt7358
      GaryHiggins

      @jdmundt7358 


      Hello, not familiar with the KLANG though it looks like a really nice piece of gear! How do you normally rout signals to it? I think you may just need to satge your M32 routing differently. If you use "local" as your output sources everything is sent input/LC only. Using the outputs 1-16, aux out or ultranet out routing assignments as aes50A/B and card out (or the last 3 columns of user out) sources lets you choose any tap point from the 9 options. If it's buses that are the issue, each ch can send to a any mixbus as post eq or post fader (and other) possibilities. That is set under the sends option for each ch.

      • April 5, 2020
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