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  • RikRayner
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-10

    Hi Guys,

    I'm looking to move up from my XR18 to either an X32 rack or a Midas M32C and the simple question is are the Behringer SD8/SD16 stageboxes compatible with the M32C or do I have to get the Midas DL stageboxes?

    Thanks in advance

    Rik

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    • RikRayner
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Rik @RikRayner,


      Yes the SD8 and SD16 will work with the M32C. But you don't gain much of the "Midas" touch that way. The M32C has the identical DSP engine as the X32 models. The difference is in the Midas preamps and outputs, which in the case of the M32C would be in the stagebox(s). You would be far better ahead to get an X32 Rack with an SD8 (or 2) or an SD16 IMO.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      RikRayner

      Hi Paul,


      thanks for the confirmation.  I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      Paul_Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      I'm attracted by the ultra-compact form factor of the M32C and the ability to expand the array of inputs available, using both the DL and SD series stageboxes.  I can definitely see the use of an SD8 for a stagefront stagebox for monitor wedge and L/R outputs plus vocal mic inputs.  Just a shame that there is no Midas equivalent of the SD8





      Yes its also a shame that they discontinued the X32 Core (the Behringer equivalent of the M32C). But to me the real shame is that they didn't produce a Midas equivalent to the X32 Rack. The reason is that there is a significant difference with the Midas Pro preamps and outputs (over the Behringer Midas designed).


       


      Yes there is a space advantage of the 1U form factor, but at the expense of the flexibility of the inputs/outputs. As you probably know, I use a dual X32 Rack with and SD8 and SD18 setup. A couple of years ago (this Aug) I was setting up for a Chicago tribute band when we got hit with 4 downpours during setup/soundcheck. I had the SD16 at the back of the stage to handle the drums and backline and it got a bit wet (due to the horizontal driving rain). The results was that it was showing signals where there was nothing plugged in. Their sound engineer shared his concern and I quickly wheeled one of the Racks to the back of the stage, configured it as an S16, repatched - and we were back in business in about 10 minutes. The other Rack was used as the main mixer, situated at one end of the stage and took care of the MC wireless mics and and opening act (since we were using all 24 inputs of the stageboxes for the main act). If I had a choice between an M32C and X32 Rack, I'd still choose the Rack.


       

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      RikRayner

      Hi Paul,


      I can see that by taking the X32 rack I have a backup option of hardwiring into the desk in the event of a stagebox failure.  We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??

      • June 10, 2019
    • RikRayner
      Paul_Vannatto


      @RikRayner wrote:


      We've never exceeded the 16 inputs on the XR18 so a pair of SD8s would handle everything connectivity-wise, plus give me the flexibity of stage positioning and additional inputs if the need arises, albeit not as conveniently connected.  Perhgaps that SD16 might be a good option ??





      You've never exceeded because you didn't have a choice  Just wait...


       


      If I had only a choice between an SD16 or 2 SD8's, I'd choose the 2 SD8's. It gives you 8 more outputs, plus it gives more flexibility of positioning at stage front/back or left/right, reducing the cable spaghetti.

      • June 10, 2019
  • staceyhainey
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-06-07

    Just a general question,,,,

    My band just purchased an M32C with the DL32, and PM16’s for monitoring 

    i split the vocal, and instruments into mix busses, and sent the busses to ultra net, but it seems like we aren’t getting the full signal (some busses seem absent on the pm16)   We do have something that kind of works, but there’s gotta be a better way 

    will post a screen shot of the routing pages

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    • staceyhainey
      RexBeckett


      @staceyhainey wrote:


      Just a general question,,,,


      My band just purchased an M32C with the DL32, and PM16’s for monitoring 


      i split the vocal, and instruments into mix busses, and sent the busses to ultra net, but it seems like we aren’t getting the full signal (some busses seem absent on the pm16)   We do have something that kind of works, but there’s gotta be a better way  


      will post a screen shot of the routing pages





      @staceyhainey 


      Where are you connecting the P16Ms - to the M32C or the DL32? If the DL32, you need to open Routing -> AES50 A/B and select AES50-A 33-40 = Ultranet 1-8 and  AES50-A 41-48 = Ultranet 9-16. This will send the 16 Ultranet outputs to the DL32 on AES50-A 33-48 which are routed to the P16 socket.  


       

      • June 7, 2019
  • Mrizzo94
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-06

    I prefer using matrixes. However, unless I link them together I can't send Main left to Matrix Left. If there a way to mute just the left or just the right channel without un linking them?

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    • Mrizzo94
      RexBeckett

      @Mrizzo94 


      Hi Michael, welcome to the forum.


       


      You cannot normally mute one side of stereo linked channels or buses. Why do you want to do this? There may be another way to achieve what you want.

      • June 6, 2019
  • collins
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-06

    Correct usb driver for windows  10 64 and MR10 so I can record into Cubase 10 all the ones I have tryed dont work????

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  • DEBBERT
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-06-05

    Good Day.  If i put a Date card in an M32 can I use 12 input channels from Dante to make the console a 44 input console?  I have 32 inputs already need to add 12 wireless mics. Thank you.

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    • DEBBERT
      RichardYClark

      An M/X32 can have many more than the basic 32 inputs but you are limited by the system to only mixing a maximum of 40 channels (32 + 8Auxes). A fully loaded M/X32 could have as many as 150 inputs available to it (32 local inputs, 48 AES50A, 48 AES50B and 32 Card) but you have to pick and choose which to use. And there may have to be some compromises due to the 8 input block limitations.

      • June 5, 2019
    • DEBBERT
      KenMitchell

      Hi David ( @DEBBERT ), 


      EDIT: What Richard said.


       


      Welcome to the community. The M32 supports many more than 32 inputs but you can only assign a maximum of 40 at a time to the mixer.  If you truly need 44 at once, I'd recommend looking at setting up a sub-mixer for like/similar channels and using the LR output of the submix as a stereo pair input into the M32.  I've used this a number of times when mik'ing drumkits.  You'll have to put some added thought and planning into it if you need monitor mixes since you won't be able to cross mixer boundaries with the monitor mixes. 


       


      Hope this helps,


      Ken


       

      • June 5, 2019
  • fgrondon
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-03

    I would like to use my M32 for FOH and my X32 for monitors. I have an DL32 on the stage.

    Here is my question:

    Can I send the signal from the DL32 AES50 to my M32 while at the same time using an analogue snake between the DL32 and the X32?

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    • fgrondon
      DaveMorrison

      @fgrondon  Tell me more. What is the purpose of the analog snake? Why not a digital cable between the consoles and then the stage box connected to the monitor console?

      • June 3, 2019
    • fgrondon
      RexBeckett

      Hi @fgrondon , welcome to the community.


       


      Yes you could use an analogue splitter snake to tap the DL32 inputs for the X32. I would use a splitter with isolating transformers to avoid ground-loops and phantom power problems.


       


      Is there a reason why you don't want to use AES50 to provide the DL32 inputs to both consoles? 

      • June 3, 2019
    • fgrondon
      fgrondon

      My purpsoe is to be able to use the gain knob on both consoles. I heard that if I do it the way you are suggesting the gain would be set by the console that is connected to AES50 A on the DL32 

      • June 3, 2019
    • fgrondon
      fgrondon

      So, I have the M32 for FOH and the X32 for mixing our live stream on youtube, and we have the DL32 on the stage.


      How do I take the signal from the DL32 to feed both my consoles?


      Thanks!

      • June 3, 2019
  • kozmosound
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-06-01

    I am attempting to use an M32r at FOH and an X32 as a stage box. I get everything to connect.  All the green boxes are showing.  However, all I can seem to achieve is for the VU meters on the M32r to show what is on the X32 and nothing more.  If I change the name of a track on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  If i adjust the fader on the X32 it doesnt effect the M32r.  Or vice versa.  Any insight into this and what I may be missing would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 

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    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett

      @kozmosound 


      Hi Kozmo, welcome to the community.


      It sounds like a problem with configuration or routing. Usually you would route all the local inputs on the X32 (stagebox) to AES50-A and connect this to the FOH AES50-A. Then set the FOH Inputs routing to the same AES50-A blocks to get the inputs from the X32.


      The X32 pre-amp gains affect the signal going to the FOH but the X32 channel controls would normally only be used for local monitor mixes.


       


      If you explain how you would like your system to work and where you want to connect the inputs and outputs, we can help you with the configuration. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Sik thank you for the quick response.  I would like:

      - M32r at FOH

      - X32 on stage.

      - All my inputs go into X32

      - All my outputs come from X32

      - I stand at M32 and twiddle knobs and it comes out the X32.

      - Also would like a stereo pair of outputs at least for a feed for this stream that is happening. 

      Both are firmware 3.11.  Currently connected M32r out of AES50A and into AES50A of X32.  I have a QSC chillin that I am using to listen to.  Stereo input into 1/2 of the X32 and out of where I want it to go (output 1/2 via matrix).  Essentially, my M32r is a glorified VU meter.  I can see all the levels that are on the X32 on my M32r.  But once I start moving faders, labeling channel strips, etc. neither effects the other.

      Hope this makes sense.  I am on stand by for your response while I smoke more doobs and watch more youtube tutorials. 





      @kozmosound 


      On the X32, set the routing like this:


      X32 I.PNGX32 O.PNG


      On the M32R, set the routing like this:


      M32 I.PNGM32 O.PNG


      You also need to define your outputs 1-16. That would be something like this:


      M32 O 1-16.PNG


      You need to adjust this to suit your mix and possibly provide your local stereo outputs to XLR or Aux.


       


      It is probably easiest if you use the M32R Aux channels for the local inputs. These could still be through the local XLR inputs if required.


       


      If you want to be able to control the X32 pre-amps from the M32, open the X32 Setup -> Preamps page and check HA Remote AES50 Port A.


       


      Channel strip labels are local to each mixer so will not be reflected on the other device.

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      kozmosound

      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  

      • May 31, 2019
    • kozmosound
      RexBeckett


      @kozmosound wrote:


      Awesome, I got it to work. It seems that I was missing the AES50a routed to AES50b on the Midas.  I dont understand why this AES50b is routed at all since Im not using that port on either device.  Also which unit should be "synchornized" to AES50A technically?  I swapped and have tried with one on AES50a sync and one on internal and vice versa and it seems to lead to the same result.  





      @kozmosound 


      I'm happy to hear it is working but it cannot be due to the AES50-B routing. That is redundant in your configuration.


       


      I would run the X32 with Internal synchronization and set to M32R to AES50 A. 


       

      • May 31, 2019
  • DwayneAasberg
    Super Contributor - Level 1
    2019-05-30

    I think I'm missing something fundamental.  I am planning installation of an M32 at our church and reading the (abreviated) Midas documentation.

    What's the difference between faders 1-16 on layer 4 of the left fader bank (16 bus master channels) and faders 1-8 on layers 3 and 4 of the right fader bank (bus 1-8 or bus 9-16)?

    Aren't these the same things?

    What am I missing?

    Thx.  Dwayne A 

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  • KevinLacy
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-30

    Hello folks

    I am experiencing an odd behavior with a unique setup with my X32 Core and M32R. I am doing a redundant 32 Channel Record with 2 laptops (1 laptop connected to the Card Out of the X32 Core and 1 connected to the Card Out of the M32R) as follows…

    DL32 ---> M32R AES50-A (This gets my sources from the stage into the M32R for mixing the live show)

    M32R AES50-B ---> X32 Core AES50-A (This gets the audio from the M32R(picking off the DL32 Head Amps) into the X32 Core)

    On the AES50-B Tab of the Routing Page on the M32R, I have set Outputs 1-32 to AES50-A 1-32 effectively passing through the 32 Head Amps of the DL32 through the M32R onto the X32 Core. It all works as expected and I can record multitrack on both laptops just fine but the problem is, when I recall a scene on the X32 Core, the Routing of the AES50-B Outputs on the M32R change to Out 9-16 on every single block and I have to go back to the M32R and manually change them back to AES50-A 1-8, 9-16, 17-24, 25-32 in order to get everything working again.

    I don’t understand why recalling a scene on the X32 Core (which is only connected via AES50) would change the output routing of the M32R.

    I’ve tried Parameter safeing and a few other things but nothing seems to stop this behavior.

    Does anyone here have any idea why this is happening and what I can do to prevent it?

    Thanks in advance for your helpful replies

    Kevin

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    • KevinLacy
      GaryHiggins

      Hi Kevin, @KevinLacey wondering how you have the sync set up? Is the Core sync internal and the M32r sync aes50B? Or is the M32R sync internal? You might try switching them. It makes some sense to me that the Core may change the M32 if the aes50a out of the Core is not set to what you need on the M32-since it's a 2 way street.  A thought would be to try sending aes50a 1-48 from the Core aes50a out 1-48 essentially sending back out what it received, or maybe set aes50a out 1-48 to all local since the Core doesn't have any local. Or maybe send aes50b 1-48 from the Core since it recieves nothing from there. Just some suggestions.  Do you have the M32 set for safed routing i/o?

      • June 8, 2019
  • staceyhainey
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-05-29

    Sorry for the simple question, BUT, my band is looking at an M32C and a DL32 stage box for pres. This will give us a true 32 channel board, my question is for the main outs. Unlike analog boards, and the Xair weve been using, there are no main outs on the box, or the M32C, i assume that i can assign main out duties to a pair of the 16 sends on the stage box via the virtual patchbay in edit..... Is this a correct assumption?
    Thanks in advance

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