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  • 2020-07-23

    I want to try using my MR18 as my interface to get audio into Logic Pro X on my MacBook Pro. It's been a while since I recorded anything, and I discovered by accident that my old hardware... a Digidesign 003 Rack and an Avid Eleven Rack... are not recognized by macOS Catalina, and Avid seems to have no intention of fixing it. I mention that for the benefit of others who may have that hardware, and have been scratching their heads wondering why they no longer work.

    Anyway, does anyone have any advice about getting the MR18 up and running with Logic? My MBP sees the MR18 as the input and output device (whereas it no longer sees the 003 or Eleven). Is the MR18 completely controlled by Logic; i.e., are its settings in the M-Air-Edit app completely transparent when using it as in interface for Logic? So, for instance... gain, EQ, faders, whatever... anything I may have set in the M-Air app... are all those settings still in place when I use the MR18 to get into Logic? Is there anything I have to do in M-Air-Edit to turn 100% control over to Logic? Thanks much...

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    • David Stackhouse
      Rex Beckett The only way for Logic to control the MR18 is via Midi. Normally you would configure and control the MR18 using the MAir Edit app. Logic would see it as an eighteen channel bidirectional audio interface. By default, the MR18 USB Sends would come directly from the preamps so would not be affected by EQ, faders, etc. You can change this, of course,
      • Jul 23
    • David Stackhouse
      Dave Morrison You can control a few parameters via MIDI. If you want channel levels, pans, or scene recalls, Logic can do it. In the studio, I don't. Live, it's handy to have Logic bump up channels levels for solos. I prefer to use a mixer in the studio rather than (or in addition to) an audio interface because I don't get any latency in my monitoring path—the mixer handles that.
      • Jul 23
      • MR18 with Logic Pro X (b/c 003 Rack and Eleven are no longer supported in Catalina)
        David Stackhouse Great tips, Dave... thanks for your input!
        • Jul 24
  • 2020-07-23

    Hi, i'd like to know if my X touch controlling the mr18 can be sync with a screen with m air and follow my actions. For ex. If i go to the eq. section with the controller the eq should appear also on the screen not only on the controller lcd

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    • Simone Molla
      Rex Beckett Individual controls will be reflect changes but MAir Edit will not switch screens/tabs as a result of X-Touch operations.
      • Jul 23
    • Simone Molla
      Bart Van Damme There is a solution for this problem. See this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MuNb3Zs19Cw Originally designed for Raspberry Pi, but works on Mac and Windows also. More info on www.lumisoft.be
      • Jul 23
      • Sync with xtouch
        Luuk van Kuipers Hi Bart, does it work both ways? When I change the settings on the pc, will the X-touch follows??
        • Jul 26
      • Sync with xtouch
        Bart Van Damme It depends on what settings. e.g. if you change a fader level, the corresponding fader on the X-Touch will move.But if you click on the eq tab in X-Air-Edit, the X-Touch will not jump to the eq section.
        What my program does is capture the communication from the X-Touch to the Mixer and when it discovers something that should imply a screen change, it simulates a mouseclick.
        • Jul 26
  • 2020-07-23

    Hi,

    I have a few MIDAS DP48s for the band members. Running them from X32/M32 mixers. Been able to import group names and manually program groups. But I have not been able to figure out how to use the Auto Assign by group or color features. Do you need a HUB4 to use this capability?

    Also, I found an AES50 Group name assignment feature in the Library section of the X32-Edit software. I can input the information there but don't know how to push it out to the DP48. Does it also require a HUB4 to allow this feature to work?

    Thanks!

    Kevin

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    • Kevin Wright
      Paul Vannatto Hi Kevin,

      Are you getting the channel names and colors in the DP48 via AES50? If so the auto assign by color should work (based on those channel colors). I haven't used that feature for over a year now.

      The AES50 section of the library should work (as long as you are using X32 firmware 4.02 and DP48 firmware 1.4). You need to put the DP48 in slave mode (in the Setup). Then in the AES50 library (of X32) select broadcast to A or B (depending on which AES50 port you are using for the DP48)
      • Jul 22
    • Kevin Wright
      Kevin Wright Thanks, Paul. I really appreciate the quick answer. I had firmware 4.01 on the M32C and the new 1.5 on the DP48. Update the first. My issue might have been that I forgot to turn on the internal clock on the M32C (usually it is slaved to the X32 as a monitor mixer). I was able to get it to both pick up the auto assign and the library broadcast features. Worked beautifully!

      I had another question about where to tap the signal but I'll start another thread to create a separate headline.
      • Jul 24
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Paul Vannatto Ah yes, 4.01 had issues. Updating to 4.02 will help. Glad to hear you got it working. I'll watch for your other thread.
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        • Jul 24
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Kevin Wright Another thought came to mind. When I first tried it, it was from my X32. But I had the DP48 daisy-chained after our SD16 stage box. Does the stage box potential strip out the channel messages from the X32. I think I recall reading that the DP48 should be wired first (which seems risky). And if that is the necessary to allow the channel messages to reach the DP48, how much latency would each box add to the signal in the chain (we have 3)?

        Sorry for all the questions! I'm finding it hard to get clear answers online since the product is so new.
        • Jul 24
      • MIDAS DP48 Auto Assign Groups by Name/Color
        Kevin Wright I'm back in the practice room testing. It seems the stage boxes are the problem. When I put the AES50 directly in to the DP48, the broadcast works. With my two SD16s in between, the message does not reach. I notice the latest DP48 firmware talks about allowing name commands to go through stage boxes (I have 1.5 installed). I suspect I may have to update the firmware for the SD16s. Will give that a try and report back.

        Thanks again for your help, Paul.
        • Jul 25
  • 2020-07-23

    Hello... it's been a while since I've been in this forum, and obviously there have been some changes. A while back, as in, maybe a couple of years ago, I posted some questions/started some discussions, and the info contained in those threads was of great value to me. Are all those old discussions lost??? I checked my profile and tried searching for them but to no avail! Can anyone tell me how to find or retrieve them? Thanks!!

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    • David Stackhouse
      Paul Vannatto Hi David,

      Welcome back. They have changed the forum engine once again and have promised to port over all of the past posts (eventually). So far most of my posts have either not been ported or the search engine doesn't work (or a combination of both). So I feel the same pain...
      • Jul 22
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        David Stackhouse Thanks, Paul... I remember you being very helpful at the time... much appreciated. Sounds like this hurts you a LOT more than it does me... I hope they get it done soon. It had been a while since I used my MR18 and one thing I forgot is that there's a TERRIBLE idiotic glitch in the unit where, by default, it does a LOUD power cycle on startup... scared the living crap out of me and my son!
        • Jul 22
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        Paul Vannatto That doesn't sound good. There is a "Mute output at power cycle" setting in the Setup, Audio/Midi screen. Try that. It will mean that you will have to unmute after it is on.
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        • Jul 22
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        David Stackhouse Thanks, Paul... yes, I remembered that feature and activated it afterwards. I had initialized the unit prior, which reset that feature to its unmuted default setting, and when the sound sent me almost sent me an my kid through our ceiling I cursed myself for forgetting about it. I don't understand why it's necessary... it's the only mixer I've ever encountered that does it.
        • Jul 23
    • David Stackhouse
      David Knighton Hello David. As is common practice with most PA systems, always allow your console a chance to boot before powering your amps/loudspeakers in order to avoid pops, or in the case of the MR18, a loud laser beam effect.
      • Jul 23
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        David Stackhouse David, thank you for your reply. I don't want to seem ungrateful or argumentative, but I've operated PA systems for 40 years, and worked with dozens of consoles, and this is the first and only mixer I've ever used that makes such a sound.
        • Jul 23
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        Paul Vannatto Hey David, just a thought. Check your FX returns to make sure you are not sending back to the FX buses, creating a loop (which is easy to do by accident). That might be a source of the loud noise.
        • Jul 23
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        David Stackhouse And a good thought, but no, that's not it... the noise was definitely the power cycle. It happens within, what, maybe the first 10 seconds after I power up the MR18. It lasts for a split second, sounds like a laser blast, and it's LOUD as hell, and then it's over.
        • Jul 23
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        - mjk - Great point.
        • Jul 23
  • 2020-07-22

    I have a new MR18 and only get signal to the headphone out when the main is soloed.

    I've checked all routing options but see no references to the hf out anywhere.

    Grateful for any suggestions, Tim

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    • Tim Weed
      Rex Beckett Check the settings on MAir Edit Setup -> Monitor. The screenshot shows typical settings. Also check the Main LR fader is turned up. The Setup -> Audio/Midi -> Safe Main Levels option, if on, will set the Main LR fader right down on power-up.
      • Jul 22
    • Tim Weed
      Rex Beckett The In/Out -> Main Out tab also affects the Phones output but, if the Solo function is working, this must be correct.
      • Jul 22
    • Tim Weed
      Tim Weed Thank you Rex for the prompt reply! I ended up initializing everything an now it all works as imagined. Now I need to dig in to the ~manual. Best, Tim
      • Jul 22
    • Tim Weed
      Rex Beckett I'm glad you got it working, Tim. Have fun learning about all the amazing things you can do with that small box.
      • Jul 22
  • 2020-07-21

    I think most mixers allow you to mute a channel in an Aux bus independent of the main mix.  The MR18 seems to have it's mutes coupled together.  When the mute button is used in either the main or aux busses (with the exception of the master slider of either), it carries that change through all of the buses.  Is there anyway to decouple this feature and have independent control of the mute function?  I understand that muting on the main mix layer should carry through to all aux mixes.  But sometimes, we need to mute a channel on an aux bus without having it mute the same channel on the main bus.  Suggestions? Thanks!

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    • KarlMarz
      Paul Vannatto No, there is no way of "decoupling" the mute feature. But there is a workaround. Assign a DCA to the various channels and mute the DCA. As long as the channel sends (to buses) taps are not post fader or subgroup, the DCA mutes will not affect the sends to the buses.
      • Jul 21
  • 2020-07-19
    Our M32 mixer suddenly started producing loud interference noise through the mains and the signal metering lights on channels 9-16 shot up to clipping. We pulled the mains down to save our ears. This lasted for about 20-30 seconds, gradually decreasing in volume after about 15-20 seconds. After this, channels 9-16 were not indicating signal from the band. The instrument playing when it happen was the keyboard. Note: I can route the signal coming into the local inputs 25-32 to channels 9-16 and everything works fine as far as the channels go. However, when I route the signal coming into local inputs 9-16 to channels 25-32 I get nothing. Any thoughts, suggestions...
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    • James Chavis
      Craig Fowler The preamps on the rear of the console are on PCBs of 8. It sounds like there's a hardware issue with the one that does preamps9-16. It could be a loose internal cable, it could be that something is fried. (Unplug any mics first,) and go into the setup>preamps page and see if you can enable +48v on each of those preamps, and see if the red LEDs on the rear of the console illuminate. Try plugging in active DIs into each of the preamps and see if the DI indicates it's receiving +48V. If neither of those things works it's pretty much confirmed a hardware issue.
      • Jul 18
    • James Chavis
      Nigel Turner As Craig has mentioned above, it is probably a hardware issue. If none of the 8 inputs are working, one of the rails has possibly failed on that input card. I think that your best option would be to go to the support tab at the top of the page and submit a ticket and we will be able to help you further.
      • Jul 19
      • M32 channels 9-16 not working
        James Chavis Thank you. I submitted a ticket.
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  • 2020-07-18
    Hi, This is a new issue that just started happening. Whenever I exit my DAW the first two channel faders, reconfigure themselves. For instance, Channel 1 and 2 are panned hard right and left. As soon as I close the DAW, channel 2 fader goes down and the pan goes to hard left. So, next time I start up a DAW, I have to reset Channel 2 to pan right and push the fader up. Any ideas why this is happening? Thanks.
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    • Jorge Rodriguez
      Gary Higgins It’s probably a MIDI setting in your daw doing it. Preferences, midi, something like “on stop/rewind reset controllers” or something similar. I know the daw I use has it, can’t remember the exact wording.
      • Jul 18
    • Jorge Rodriguez
      Gary Higgins I went looking for the exact wording in my daw (Cakewalk) and it's what is shown below. You need to uncheck it. It may be something similar in a different daw OR something else completely! :-)
      • Jul 19
  • 2020-07-16
    is it possible to save the setup and channel settings directly on the internal memory of the MR18 or do I always have to save them on a remote device
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    • freekings
      Dale Minaker if you are talking about custom layers, then this data is only stored on the remote device.
      • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        freekings Yes i'm talking about self arranged scenes in the practice room and live-stages. Thanks for the Answer Dale
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        • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        Rex Beckett You can save the scene settings on the MR18 as Snapshots. These are stored in internal memeory so can be recalled by any control device (tablet, phone, PC) with one of the XAir apps. When the mixer is turned on, it will have the same settings as when powered off - provided the Setup -> Audio/Midi -> Safe Levels option is off.
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        • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        freekings ah ok with Snapshots. Just one Scene or more scenes and the all the single channels as well? thank you Rex
        • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        Rex Beckett You can save upto 64 Snapshots in the mixer. A Snapshot stores all the same settings as a Scene. You can apply optional filters to limit the scope of Snapshot recall to specified channels, buses and parameters. The recall filter settings are stored with each Snapshot and can be changed as required. The filter only affects Snapshot recall - each Snapshot stores all non-global mixer settings.
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        • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        freekings got it ! Thank you Rex
        • Jul 16
    • freekings
      Dale Minaker No problem, if you want a console that can recall scenes/shows etc, it needs a navigatable window and jog wheel at the least which means more cost, the MR18/X18 are a compromise and it is reflected in their price hence why you always need a tablet with the MAIR app to do the business end of the operation, I hope this helps.
      • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        freekings Ok thanks. I thought the MR18 might have some internal memory for that kind of stuff. but in that case it will just save the last used scene on reboot. all right. I always make backups on my MAC Book via RJ-45 interface. I just thought of a situation where maybe a new FOH guy mixes us up and he can just call up the saved scenes on the MR18. OTHER QUESTION: Do you know if I can record on an iPad with Garageband as easily as I can on the MAC Book via USB. 18 channels in? is there an extra adapter from USB to lightning with additional power supply?
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        • Jul 16
      • MR 18
        Dale Minaker Sorry missed this new question at the bottom. There is an interesting feed on Reddit regarding this where someone has had success doing it however we are unsure how many channels garageband will allow (you need to contact them) but we know it works wth Auria. I hope this helps. https://www.reddit.com/r/livesound/comments/dukclp/behringer_xr18_and_ipad/
        • Aug 6
  • 2020-07-15
    I'm looking to Multi Track record while I mix my show. Is this possible with one iPad?
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    • whoiswillsims
      Gary Higgins There is a program called Auria for iPad, it’s a daw. and may work while you also mix. Resources may be stretched though.
      • Jul 15
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