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  • GuntherMai
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-09-01

    ... is still missing. 3.4.4 is not working with a console file including VSS4 (performing some funny nonsense to the FX Rack) 

    Hoping for soon release ... 

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    • GuntherMai
      AlanLawson

      Me too. This is really important and actually mission critical. How are people with Pro1 and Pro 2 consoles managing for whom the Offline Editor is a regular part of their workflow? Is an upgrade coming soon and also, can I presume it will be totally compatible with the latest Mac OS?


      Ta heaps!


      Alan

      • October 5, 2019
  • MichaLoosli
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-31

    I'm using mainstage with UAD Effects as my outboard effects via the X-Live card. I'm sending 4 auxes to mainstage an 1 stereo return from mainstage to the desk. At yesterdays show I lost the stereo return already at soundcheck. Only shutting down and rebooting the console solved the problem, but just for a minute, then the desk (or card) lost the stereo return again. I'm running this setup for a long time now with never any issues. The card was recognized by the computer at any times. I also was recording to the SD cards. Anybody any idea? Thanks for your replys

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    • MichaLoosli
      RexBeckett

      @MichaLoosli 


      When you lost the return, was Mainstage still receiving the sends?


      Have you tried replacing the USB cable?

      • August 30, 2019
    • MichaLoosli
      MichaLoosli

      yes, the sends were working at any times, I did not replaced the cable unfortunatly

      • August 30, 2019
    • MichaLoosli
      RexBeckett


      @MichaLoosli wrote:


      yes, the sends were working at any times, I did not replaced the cable unfortunatly





      @MichaLoosli 


      It would be worth trying a different USB cable. 


      I would also check that the mixer routing for the USB Returns had not, somehow, changed. This could happen if any scenes or snippets were loaded.


       


      After that, I would suspect the X-Live card. It would be helpful if you could borrow a replacement card to test.


       

      • August 30, 2019
  • ChukGleason
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-30

    Church sound tech here, we have a Midas M32R, about 15 months.  

    I for one (and maybe it's only me) have been struggling to really understand the routing ideas in the M32R; I know there are some defaults, like inputs 1-16 default to the 16 XLR Inputs, etc.   Plus, I've got 16 channels of vocalist & instruments coming in thru AES50-A, as inputs 17-32.  

    But is there any documentation the defines the default routing, and how do a quick startup & get music coming out for the FOH?  I see in the M32R Manual that it calls out that XLR outputs #15 &6 default to being the main stero pair.  Or XLR Jack #7&8, in another piece of documentation. (combing the Quick Start Guide and the Main Manual I've found a couple discrepancies between them) 

     

     

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    • ChukGleason
      DaveMorrison

      Hi @ChukGleason 


      On 16 output mixers, 15&16 are the LR main bus. On 8 output, 7&8 are the default outputs. Routing is one of the most confusing aspects of this mixer. Because it's powerful, it's a little harder to understand the concepts. The output assignments are generally done in two stages. Output 1-16 is main "staging" area to assign individual outputs from the many different sources (Aux Out and Ultranet can do the same). Output 1-16, however, is only an intermediate stage; these assignment go nowhere until they are then assigned to Card Output, AES50 A/B, or XLR Output.


      If you have questions about input, output, and routing, this is the place to ask. You can upload a scene file for us to analyze or fix, send us a description of your system and requirement, and we can give you a hand.


      The forum members are a great resource and will gladly help.

      • August 30, 2019
    • ChukGleason
      ChukGleason

      Dave - 

      You've made a classic understatement about the complexity of the routing. 


      So here's what I've worked out so far:


      1) Define all your inputs; whethere Local, (1-8, 9-16) and whatever you're bringing in thru AES-50-A (and of cours -B, if you're using it)  Write them down, one by one.


      2) Define your main output, Mono-Center or Main L-R, and if it goes out thru AES50-A to the amp, write that down; #8 for Mono, and #7 & 8 for stereo, route it from (whichever it is) to that AES-50A output


      3) Standard input signal operation;  Solo it to get its initial level, adjust the input gain to your standard level (0 dB or -10 dB, or whatever is your common), adjust the channel slider to your comfortable level (again, 0 or -10)


      4) Assign that channel to your  Main Output, with the Main Bus control portion on the upper control surface, adjusting Pan/Balance control as necessary if you're using Stereo. 


      5) In the Routing screen of the main display, figure out how to assign Main L/R or Mono Center to AES50-A #7 & 8 or just #8; 

      6) Assuming you've already got everything connected properly end to end, both incoming from the stage box to the mixer, and going out of the mixer back to the stage box & an amplifier & speaker, should be able to bring up your Main Level slider, and get some sound.  


      7) Continue with each input, in turn, getting  a decent level going out to the Main Output.  


      8) Each new output, such as Monitor speakers, or feeds to the other building or being sent to a PC for recording, is done similarly, but routed thru the MIX BUS sets; and you can route up to 4 at a time on one screen.

      Here's my example:


      1) Pastor's wireless  with lapel mic:  her mic gets routed everywhere (Main, Overflow, via MIX BUS2, Hearing Assist system, via MIX BUS 3, and  Recording, via MIX BUS 4 ) EXCEPT to the Monitors, which have routed thru MIX BUS 1, out the the AES50-A, #1 up to the stage box & to the monitor amp; 
      2) Associate pastor's mic, with lapel mic, exactly the same; because neither need to be heard in the monitor speaker for the praise band.  
      3) Next inputs, wireless headset mics for the vocalists, again, same except they DO get sent to the Monitor circuit. 


      4) Next, instruments like the guitar, the Clavinova, the mic for the Grand Piano, each get the same input trim treatment routing to Main Output(s), and then to the correct MIX BUS outputs, except probably don't need any Grand Piano mic in the Monitor mix; we do want it in the Recording feed.


      5) Output to other places can be sent out thru the #1 thru whatever XLR outputs, or maybe thru the AUX Outputs (again, my example, I round anything to be recorded, out thru AUX 5 & 6 as a stereo pair to a PC running Audacity). 

      So, that's a rough draft of how to go thru setup & routing.  It does seem to be kind of daunting because you have to decide early on where things are going and how to get them there, without having made other decisions first, so it's a little 'recursive' ; you define some things, run your setup routine for levels & routings, then have to do it again, 

      I'm reminded of my dad's story about his own mother, who married late at the age of 41 in 1915, a comparative old maid.  Her  new mother-in-law was trying to teach her to cook husband's favorites, and would often say 'Well, how much of this? Use your judgement!'   To which my grandma G would respond 'I am new to this, I don't have any judgement to fall back on! I need it spelled out concisely.  If I try to use my own judgement now, I'll probably fail, and not know exaclty where I've failed' 

      So, does that make sense, as to what I've been struggling against?  Now I have to take that general (VERY general) setup routine, and boil it down to a step-by-step procedure that a newby could follow if ALL the experienced members of the sound crew were to (for example) fall off a cliff.

      Further discussion requested here.  


      Further apologies if I've already borked some description here; it's been a long day & the brain cells are shutting down.    


       

      • September 20, 2019
    • ChukGleason
      DaveMorrison

      @ChukGleason 


      I think you have a pretty good grasp of the system. Sometimes it's the little things that can trip you up. For me, it's some of the labels and terminology that Midas uses—some of it seems backwards to me. Anyway—You can post your scene file if you ever get stuck. And we can always answer your questions. 


      The matrix function may be of interest to you if your overflow and/or Hearing Assist system (maybe even the PC feed) is similar to the Main output. The matrix outputs could be a copy of the main output with separate Level, compression and EQ applied to it. This could reduce your five independent mixes down to two or three.


       

      • September 20, 2019
    • ChukGleason
      ChukGleason

      Dave -


      Thanks for the offer to look at my file; here it is.  It's kind of a hodge podge of some different setups, combined non-linearly.  So there are a few disconnects and dead ends in a couple of the routings.  EX:  the way this is set up, the Main PA output is sent thru the Matrix 6 to the Recording output; altho I also have a MIXBUS #3 is supposed to go to the record output, instead. That way, the record output level can be independently controlled, separate from the Main Output.  Currently, if we make any adjustment to the Main Output slider, it also adjusts the record level.  

      I've also only just realized another problem I have, not that it can be solved here.  The Main Screen of the M32R is just at the wrong distance for either pair of my glasses; either the short-distance readers, or the distance/driving glasses with a nearsighted bifocal.    Must be time for a new Rx for the eyes.  


       


      Thanks.


      Chuk

      Midas M32R Scene Moderately standard.scn
      • October 22, 2019
  • MitchellAA
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-29

    Im having AES50 sync problems with DL431 Between talking to the two consoles. but if i set the AES50 on the DL431 to sync to cable A it works fine 

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    • MitchellAA
      Paul_Vannatto


      @MitchellAA wrote:


      Im having AES50 sync problems with DL431 Between talking to the two consoles. but if i set the AES50 on the DL431 to sync to cable A it works fine 





      What consoles are you connecting to it, and are they both set for 96K?


      When attempting to sync to AES50 B, have you changed it in the DL431 Sync menu (page 17 in manual)?


       

      • August 29, 2019
  • billh2020
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-28

    Greetings!

    I am still learning my way around a digital mixer and hope that I can get some advice on the best way to configure our MR18 mixer. In a nutshell, I want to route non-EQed audio post-fader to the USB interface and am not sure the most efficient method.

    Our Application

    We work with corporate clients to produce company meetings. These can take place in a variety of spaces, including very reverberant venues like breweries.

    We provide the local sound reinforcement and broadcast audio and video to remote locations using web conference or live streaming. When web conferencing, remote locations may present (using audio, video and screen sharing) to the local audience.

    Here is our audio routing: 

    • We have a combination of wireless lav/headworn/handheld microphones coming into the MR 18.
    • We are using PEQ’s on the channels and a TEG/GEQ on the LR mains. We also use the auto-mix feature on the microphone channels.
    • The MR18 LR mains feed a local sound system for sound reinforcement. 
    • The Midas USB interface is configured for 2 channel operation connected to a computer workstation running a video switcher application (i.e. the Video Switcher).
    • The web conferencing remote audio feed is routed from the Video Switcher to the MR18 using the USB interface for in-house playback. This allows remote presenters to address the in-house audience.
    • To avoid a feedback loop, on the MR18 we create a mix-minus aux-send feed using Bus A. This mix-minus routes all local microphone audio less the web conferencing remote audio via the USB interface to the video mixer. The tap point is post-fader since individual microphones are muted when speakers are off-stage. This audio is broadcast to all the geographically remote locations.

    The Problem

    Depending on the event space, we use PEQ/TEQ/GEQ on the microphones to suppress feedback. I would like to send the “fuller” sounding non-EQ’ed microphone audio to the remote audience while maintaining a tap point that allows us to mute individual mic channels for both local and remote audiences.

    On a side note, I've learned alot reading through these postings and appreciate the knowledge shared on these boards. Thanks in advance for your advice!

    Bill

     

     

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    • billh2020
      GaryHiggins

      @billh2020 It seems like you have got your local feed under control with post fader room compensated sends to FOH. You can set your usb sends at a different tap and by using the +M version of that tap, still maintain your mutes as desired. You might want to try the pre eq plus mute tap (solid yellow in M32-Edit) for the usb ch sends. It would be best if you post your scene here to get a clear picture of what you have set up.


       


      EDIT: In the setup/GUI Prefs section, if you make sure "Apply changes to all channels" is NOT checked, you can even send every ch at a different tap point if that works out better for some usb ch's.

      • August 28, 2019
    • billh2020
      Vasco_Romijn

      In the routing setup by the USB sends tab you can set those channels to Pre EQ+Mute. I think you lost fader control on the USB sends this way because it is not post fader anymore. You have to try yourself because I do not own a MR18. Just have the software installed for offline configurations when I know there is one at a veneu where I have to work.

      • August 28, 2019
  • DavidC3Av
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-24

    Could someone pls advise about whether it is possible to connect Behringer P16 to DL153. We have MIDAS M32R and DL153 stage box. P16 works fine off the mixer desk M32 Ultranet port, but the DL153 manual is silent about whether the DL153 Ethernet Control can send Ultranet. Is this possible or are we going to have to run a separate RJ44/Cat5 cable from the M32 to the stage for Ultranet? If DL153 cannot run Ultranet, what is the cheapest alternative to running an additional Cat5 cable to provide Ultranet connectivity on stage? Thanks in advance, David. 

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    • DavidC3Av
      DaveMorrison

      Hi @DavidC3Av 


      No. Ultranet is neither AES50 or Ethernet. The DL153 doesn't have ultranet capability. The Midas DL 32 & 16 and Behringer S32, S16, SD16, SD8 all can do ultranet because they have the proper chipsets. Channels 33-48 on the AES50 bus are then routed by the stageboxes to the ultranet ports. Theoretically it might be possible to send signal to a SD8 and then daisy-chain to the DL153. Maybe someone on the forum has done it.

      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      DavidC3Av

      Thank you Dave, much appreciated. Looks like an elegant solution, and low enough cost to order and give it a shot next Sunday. Do you think it might be possible to daisy chain the SD8 after the DL153? Ie. even though DL153 doesn’t have Ultranet chipset that it is likely to faithfully pass on whatever protocol is happening on the AES50 for the SD8 to put out the Ultranet? Thanks again.

      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      GaryHiggins

      @DavidC3Av AFAIK you can't daisy chain any of the midas "blue" series stageboxes. The second aes50 port on those is redundant meaning if one fails the other will keep working when connected to a Midas Pro series mixer. It's not an in/thru type line. When using with the X32/M32 series mixers, it can be used on one aes50 port and nothing can be daisy chained beyond it on that line, In that regard they become somewhat limited. However your SD8/16/32's can be used on the other remaining X32 aes50  port and daisy chained normally up to the 48 ch limit.

      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      DavidC3Av @GaryHiggins thank you. Would inserting the SD8 before the DL153 on that AES50 work?
      • August 24, 2019
    • DavidC3Av
      GaryHiggins

      It may, I am not sure, I would wonder how/if the S/SD boxes can pass forward the ch's of the DL153 box properly to the mixer due to the ch shift they normally impose and implement with regard to each other. You might not achieve proper sync. I might guess no but it's just a guess. @ChaseMcKnight would be the guy here who would know for sure.


       


      @RexBeckettsorry did not see your post before writting my response...


       

      • August 24, 2019
  • gtcode
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-21

    We have an M32 AES50-B <-> X32 Core A <> X32 Core B <-> DL32 A

     

    Sync master is X32 Core

     

    We are not always getting sync on power up

     

    1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?

    2) Can they be arbitrarily power cycled (as long as the X32 core being the master is on)

     

    Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?

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    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto


      @gtcode wrote:


      We are not always getting sync on power up


      Anytime I get intermittent sync, it is usually due to a flakey AES50 cable.


      1) Is there a special power up sequence here? X32 Core first?


      I normally power up the master clock device first. But it seems to sync irrespective of the order.


      Maybe the X32 Core which I got used has a problem here?


      I would suspect a cable.





       

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Thanks Paul


      We lost sync between X32Core+DL32.


      We powere cycled them both which fixed sync


      This caused M32+X32Core sync to be lost


      We reset M32, sync still lost


      We powered everything down then turned on X32Core+M32, waited for them to boot/sync, then turned on M32 and it worked finally.


       


      As per these steps, sync was lost on both cables at separate times


       


      If this is supposed to be robust on bootup at all times I'd suspect the X32 Core since sync was lost or not achieved on both AES ports of the X32 Core

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      By the way, we did not move or change any AES or other cables at all during this process.  Entirely related to reboots and the like.

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      gtcode

      Sorry no edit feature. We are using high quality AES50 cables here for both cables. Odds they are problematic is extremely low, and odds that both happened to fail is even lower. Sorry no edit feature on these posts my bad

      • August 21, 2019
    • gtcode
      Paul_Vannatto

      Have you tried to change the master to the M32?


      Are the AES50 cables shielded with ethercons on each end?


      Have you tried re-aligning the RJ45 connectors inside the ethercon ends (by loosening the stress nut, plugging the end into a jack, wiggling slightly, then tightening the nut)?

      • August 21, 2019
  • Dionysos
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-20

    Hello Musictribe

    I've had the x32 and a XR18 for years with zero problems what so ever. Anyway; My brand new MR 18 died when I tried to route a recorded track back to the console in my DAW.

    It's simply dead now, no light anywere. I'm thinking it could be a fuse or something, but it has no fuse on the outside. Do you think my only option is to send it back (and wait for months) or can I check my fuse idea out without breaking the warrenty?

     

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    • Dionysos
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Kaj @Dionysos,


      Welcome to the forum. Before doing anything drastic like sending it back, have you tried plugging in your XR18 to the same power cord to make sure the cord, etc. is working? To be honest with you, I haven't opened up my MR18 (or XR18 for that matter) to see if there is a fuse inside. Both have been working flawlessly since I got them.


       

      • August 20, 2019
    • Dionysos
      Dionysos

      Hi Paul


      Yes, I've tried that. I geues it's just bad luck.


      It did, however, sound great the four days it was alive. I don't know if it was the better pre-amps, but it was really sweet, the fx came to life in a new way too. I will send it back - and hope to hear it again in 2019


      Thanks for your input

      • August 20, 2019
    • Dionysos
      KenMitchell

      If it's brand new, can't you just return it to where you bought it and get another one?  I'd expect that to be much quicker than trying to get it repaired under warranty. 


       


      Ken

      • August 20, 2019
  • djn111
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-08-16

    Hello,

    Does anyone have experience if the Waves X-WSG card works in a M32C ?

    DJN

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    • djn111
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @djn111 

      Yes, the X-WSG works the same in M32C as it does with the other M32 / X32 console versions. 

      • August 26, 2019
      • X-Wsg waves card in a M32C ?
        djn111 A bit slow, but thanx ! :-)
        • July 3, 2020
  • Alphasounds
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-08-12

    I would like to use the aes 3 stereo input of a active system to avoid multible conversion. I have also a DL32 and a M32 but the mr would be perfect for smaller stuff butit is  loosing the live in the play back. I have used a yellowteck aes converter but the latency of 6ms is round trip with logic is just to much. Is there any sollution maybe with ultranet ?

    Thank You.

    Thor

    Alphasounds.com

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    • Alphasounds
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi @Alphasounds,


      The MR18 does not have AES input or output. Ultranet is a proprietary (Klark Teknik) one directional protocol that is designed to feed P16 and Ultranet capable speakers (eg. TurboSound iQ series). Also the M-Air (and X-Air) family of consoles were not designed for expansion. If you do need this, consider getting an X32 Rack and one of the AES capable stagebox (such as the DL16).


       

      • August 12, 2019
    • Alphasounds
      Alphasounds

      Thanks Paul. Sorry for the Spelling mistakes.


      The X air + DL 32 is just too ugly ...


      I muted the high mid out and use the subs, from aux 6 with another set of active tops with no DSP. The difference in latency is very little with a compressor plug in at the master.


      GreetingThor.


       

      • August 12, 2019
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