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  • LenMinNJ
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-01-09

    I've just bought an M32C and a DL32. I'm having trouble finding the detailed manuals I need to get them connected and talking to each other, and for the iPad and Win10 apps (M32 Edit and M32 Q).

    For the M32C and the DL32, I can find Quick Start Guide and Product Description documents (which aren't helpful), but I can't find full user manuals. Would someone point me to download links for them?

    I've looked on the product pages on the Midas web site, in the Download sections. No manuals for any of them.

    There's also no documentation there for the apps - only download links. The app zip files have a few lines in their release notes, but no users manual.

    I've got the DN32-USB in the M32C talking to my PC, but I can't get the M32C to do anything.M32 Edit says "Not Connected".

    I've connected the M32C to the DL32 with a shielded CAT5e cable, via the "A" connectors.

    I could use some help.

     

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    • LenMinNJ
      ChaseMcKnight

      Hi @LenMinNJ,

      Check out this video to help get started. The DN32-USB is for audio recording/playback and not for remote control of the console. You can connect the PC directly to the M32C via ethernet cable but if you plan on using a tablet you'll need a router. 

      M32C Quick Tip - Wireless iPad Setup
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZApEOXAjj4

      Hope this helps!

      • January 9, 2020
  • georgekaripidis
    Contributor - Level 2
    2020-01-08

    good evening and Happy New Year!!!

    i would like to help you I have the MIDAS digital 16 channels and I want you to tell me what I can find setting for P16? 

    thanks you!!!

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    • georgekaripidis
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi George @georgekaripidis 


      Welcome to the forum. Which Midas console do you have? Is it the MR18? If so, assigning signals to the P16 is done on the Routing, Ultranet screen in the M-Air Edit app.


       

      • January 7, 2020
    • georgekaripidis
      georgekaripidis

      yes MR 18

      • January 7, 2020
    • georgekaripidis
      georgekaripidis

      there I will be able to give each individual tension

      • January 7, 2020
  • JohnShepherd
    Contributor - Level 3
    2020-01-01

    Hi, I'm looking at these 2 consoles as options to add to my RCF speaker system. I'm aware the fx processing of the X32 does not compensate for latency. I'm looking for the story behind the fx in each. 

    Are they identical processors? 

    Does latency mean much in smaller rooms? I don't have a large rig. 2 RCF 708 subs and 2 RCF 745A cabs for front. Thanks very much, Shep

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    • JohnShepherd
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi John @JohnShepherd ,


      The FX engine is identical in the X32, M32, X-Air and M-Air family of consoles.


       

      • January 1, 2020
    • JohnShepherd
      KevinMaxwell


      @JohnShepherd wrote:


      Hi, I'm looking at these 2 consoles as options to add to my RCF speaker system. I'm aware the fx processing of the X32 does not compensate for latency. I'm looking for the story behind the fx in each. 


      Are they identical processors? 


      Does latency mean much in smaller rooms? I don't have a large rig. 2 RCF 708 subs and 2 RCF 745A cabs for front. Thanks very much, Shep





      The way that the consoles that compensate for latency work is they add delay to everything to keep everything in line. So you have more overall latency in your system. The only problem with not having this is if you send the same signal thru 2 different paths (with one of them going thru an FX)  and then combine them, one of them will be out of time with the other one. That is not good.


       


      So it is like the old joke – a guy comes into the doctor wildly waving his arm above his head and says – Doctor it hurts when I do this and the doctor replies – then don’t do that.


       


      So don’t route the same signal thru 2 different paths and then combine then. At least not without testing to see if they are still time aligned.


       


      And here is a little hint if you have never tried it, add a little bit of delay to your feed to your main speakers so they are time aligned with the acoustic signal coming off of the stage. And then try turning that delay on and off and see if it helps. I always time align my sound systems to the stage and it makes it much smoother sounding in the house. I like to say that with it delayed the speakers have a tendency to disappear and with the delay off you notice the sound coming out of the speakers instead of it sounding like it is coming from the stage.


       

      • January 1, 2020
  • bbongbass
    Newcomer - Level 1
    2019-12-31

    Hello
    Thank you for reading.
    We are using the Midas Pro 9 console. Sometimes we use multiple microphones to perform a performance, but you have to control the mute according to the situation.
    So I want to know the Midi message of the Mute button on each track of the Pro 9 console.

    thank you.

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    • bbongbass
      GaryHiggins

      I would hope that with such a fine mixer of great capabilities, you would often use multiple mics!  Wish I had the midi answer, but happy new year anyway!

      • December 31, 2019
    • bbongbass
      BillHood

      Not sure if it's the same, but I did find a document that listed the Behringer Midi CC Values (which I can't seem to find again right now) that listed the Mute values as Midi Channel 2, then the CC value went from 0 (or 1?) being Mixer Channel 1 sequentially up thru the DCA's. The ones I use, for example, are Bus 16 is CC 63,  and DCA 2 is CC 73.


      Standard ; 127 is On, 0 is off. Hope maybe that helps.  They sure don't make it easy to find info, tho.  I just found out I could use Midi Channel 7 to control my XLive card - haven't seen that one anywhere else either.

      • January 1, 2020
    • bbongbass
      PatrickGMaillot All available there: https://sites.google.com/site/patrickmaillot/docs/X32-OSC.pdf, including MIDI (starting at p 134)
      • January 5, 2020
    • bbongbass
      KevinMaxwell

      This all assumes that the Midas Pro series consoles have the same Midi Implementation as the X32/M32. Do They?

      • January 6, 2020
    • bbongbass
      PatrickGMaillot Sure hope so! All SW would be the same but not the MIDI implementation? This wouldn't make sense to me. -Patrick
      • January 6, 2020
  • mahdi95
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-12-28

    Hi,

    does midas pro1 rta on every input channel?

    my software is G3.4.6 and I haven't RTA in PEQ input channel graph.

    if anyone know how to activate rta please notify me.

     

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    • mahdi95
      zigson

      Hello


      in the FX-Rack of the analyser you'll find 2 buttons called CHANNEL and SOLO


      if you activate one of these buttons you will have the RTA overlaied to the P-EQ individuel view in the GUI.... (when soloing or selecting a given channel)

      • December 27, 2019
    • mahdi95
      ww-audio

      Hi zigson


      Go to the rta and press the button follow channel (or something like that)


      I had to do it today after full reset.


      Cheers Werner

      • December 28, 2019
    • mahdi95
      zigson

      hello Werner
      it was not me that posted the question ! I posted the solution (as you did as well)
      it was mahdi95 who posted initially that question !!

      • December 31, 2019
  • soundsystemspro
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-25

    Hi to everyone !!! 

    I have a big problem . I connect my dl32 with midas r  and i don't have outputs. But i have inputs. I make factory reset .        I make the routing aes50 A1-16 .But nothing.  If you have some ideas. ??? Thank for the time.

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    • soundsystemspro
      RexBeckett

      @soundsystemspro 


      Hello Periklis, welcome to the community.


       


      The fastest way for us to help is if you save the scene from your console and attach the file to your post. See Choose File button below.

      • December 25, 2019
    • soundsystemspro
      soundsystemspro

      hi 


      this is the scene that i have. 


      thanks again.

      A.scn
      • December 27, 2019
    • soundsystemspro
      RexBeckett


      @soundsystemspro wrote:


      hi 


      this is the scene that i have. 


      thanks again.





      @soundsystemspro 


      In your routing, you are sending the DL32 inputs back to the outputs. Instead you need to route the console outputs to the DL32 outputs through the AES50-A port. I have marked the important part of this routing:


      AES50-A Output RoutingAES50-A Output Routing


      This routing is corrected in the attached version of your scene.


       


      Are you using the console XLR outputs for anything? The routing for these also looks a little unusual.

      A V2.scn
      • December 27, 2019
    • soundsystemspro
      soundsystemspro

      im very pleased !!!


      thanks so much


      just solve the problem.


      i send to you my regards!!!

      • December 27, 2019
    • soundsystemspro
      OneLife Hi, ihave problems to update my dl 32 with windows 10 it lose the usb kontakt.
      • January 25, 2021
  • CayeTorres
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-24

    Hi everyone! I have a problem with which I am not able to move forward. I have a Midas M32 as a FOH console and a DL32 stage box. Recently I bought the M32C console to use as a monitor console. The connectivity process says that if I want the master console to be the M32 of foh, internal synchronization must be selected. This console enters the aes50 A port of the stage and the M32C enters the aes50B port of the stage. The routings are done as Midas indicates in the video that I leave below, but my main problem is that I can not modify anything or gain or, eqs ... Come on, that the M32C ignores me. Could someone help me with this? Thank you very much in advance!

    https://youtu.be/JujdVMtQ1hs

    sorry for my english!

     

     

     

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    • CayeTorres
      RexBeckett

      @CayeTorres 


      Hi Cayetano, welcome to the community.


       


      Only the console connected to AES50 port A of the DL32 can adjust the preamp gains and select phantom power. The console connected to DL32 AES50-B port has +-18dB of digital trim on each of the inputs. With the exception of the preamp gains, both consoles can process the inputs as required with EQ and dynamics.

      • December 24, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      CayeTorres

      Rex, thank you very much for your response. I really didn't know that the gains were only controlled by the console that enters through the aes50a port of the DL32. But my problem is that when I try to change an eq to a channel, or a gate, or a compression from the iPad (which is how I operate the M32c) it ignores me. And another thing I have doubts about is the following: ¿Do I have to load a show or scenes through the USB input of the M32C or with the internal synchronization selected from the M32 should the same scene appear on the iPad?   Hopefully together we can find the solution. thanks and sorry again for my english!

      • December 24, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      RexBeckett


      @CayeTorres wrote:


      Rex, thank you very much for your response. I really didn't know that the gains were only controlled by the console that enters through the aes50a port of the DL32. But my problem is that when I try to change an eq to a channel, or a gate, or a compression from the iPad (which is how I operate the M32c) it ignores me. And another thing I have doubts about is the following: ¿Do I have to load a show or scenes through the USB input of the M32C or with the internal synchronization selected from the M32 should the same scene appear on the iPad?   Hopefully together we can find the solution. thanks and sorry again for my english!





      @CayeTorres 


      Do you have any control of the M32C from your iPad? There have been some recently reported problems with compatibility issues between the M32 app and iOS versions. I believe channel settings were affected.


       


      With your system configuration, there is no communication between the two consoles except that the FOH console provides the master sync to the M32C through the DL32. Each console will have its own settings. When you load a scene on the M32C, the settings should show on the app if the iPad is correctly connected to the console's network port.


       


      If you want to use the M32C as a monitor console and send the mixes to the DL32 outputs, your current configuration will not work - only the FOH M32 can send to the DL32 outputs. Instead you need to configure the system as:


       


      M32 AES50-B <--> AES50-A M32C AES50-B <--> AES50-A DL32 


       


      The M32C will, by default, have full control of the DL32 preamps and can send to the DL32 outputs. The M32C will route all the DL32 inputs to the M32 and can, if required, route outputs from the M32 to the DL32. We can help you with the routing if you tell us how you want the inputs and outputs arranged. 

      • December 24, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      CayeTorres

      @RexBeckett @GaryHiggins 


      Thank you very much for your help. I will try to connect everything this way then M32 AES50-B <--> AES50-A M32CAES50-B <--> AES50-A DL32 the routing would be as follows: outputs 1-8 for in ears, out 14 sub, out 15 L out 16 R   If you need any more information I will be happy to give it to you! Thanks again!

      • December 25, 2019
    • CayeTorres
      RexBeckett


      @CayeTorres wrote:


      @RexBeckett @GaryHiggins 


      Thank you very much for your help. I will try to connect everything this way then M32 AES50-B <--> AES50-A M32CAES50-B <--> AES50-A DL32 the routing would be as follows: outputs 1-8 for in ears, out 14 sub, out 15 L out 16 R   If you need any more information I will be happy to give it to you! Thanks again!





      @CayeTorres 


      This routing assumes that you are running firmware V4.01 on the M32C. It could be done with V3.12 if necessary.


       


      All 32 M32C Inputs come from the DL32 on AES50-B:


      M32C Input RoutingM32C Input Routing


      The M32C sends all 32 inputs to the M32 over AES50-A. It also sends outputs to the DL32 using the User Out crosspoint (see later).


      M32C AES50 Routing.M32C AES50 Routing.


      The M32 takes all 32 inputs coming from M32C over AES50-B:


      M32 Input RoutingM32 Input Routing


      All 16 M32 outputs are sent to the M32C over AES50-B:


      M32 AES RoutingM32 AES Routing


      In the M32C, the User Out crosspoint is used to route local outputs 1-12 and M32 outputs 14-16 to the DL32:


      M32C User OutM32C User Out


      Let us know if you have questions or need any changes.

      • December 25, 2019
  • dmorrier
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-12-24

    With an M32C connected to a DL16 and S16 over AES50 (not daisy chained), can the mix busses be routed to the DL16/S16 XLR outputs?  

    I have routed the 16 Outs to the 8 XLR outputs on the DL16 and S16. I can successfully send signals from the Main L/R/MC to the Outs and demonstrate it make it to each XLR output. I can also connect the Directs to the Out and demonstrate it makes it through. However when I direct a mix bus to the Outs like shown in the attached file, nothing makes it through to the DL16/S16. The meters also verify that nothing is being sent. If the Outs are also mapped to the Ultranet outputs, the meters show it make it to the Ultranet output but not the XLRs.  What am I missing? 

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    • dmorrier
      CraigFowler

      What you've shown of the routing looks fine, but there could be more to it.  Upload your whole scene file.  Have you checked that the bus masters are up, and that they're not muted, both with their own master mutes and via mute groups\DCAs?

      • December 23, 2019
    • dmorrier
      GaryHiggins

      @dmorrier The answer is yes. I would check your aes50 outputs menu and make sure "out 1-8" and "out 9-16" are set correctly for the aes50a 1-8 and/or aes50b 1-8 outputs and that both stageboxes are set to the right mode (probably both at mode 1). Your pic shows you are using post fader tap points so as Craig alluded to, make sure the faders are up and unmuted. Bottom line though is mix busses can surely be routed to the DL/S16 outputs. That assignment is done via the aes50a or b output routing menu. Make sure the DL/S16 is connected via its A port. Also what tap point are you using for direct out of the ultranet. Try using the same post fader MIXBUS assignments for the ultranet and check your meters to see if the signal no longer appears. That would indicate that it is a fader issue.

      • December 23, 2019
  • S-Audio
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-21

    I am having a issue when trying to use a guitar VSTi while running through a input channel. Everything works but I hear the clean guitar coming from the channel and the VSTi signal. Both are coming through on Aux1-2.

    How should I set up a input channel so I only hear the VSTi ?

    thanks.

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    • S-Audio
      KenMitchell

      Hi Ron @S-Audio , 


       


      Did you remember to take the channel out of the Main LR mix?  It sounds like you have both the dry signal and the wet return in the mix. 


       


      Ken

      • December 21, 2019
  • jornthedrummer
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-12-19

    Does the FireWire interface work with the current Mac OS?

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