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  • dtgriscom
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-05

    I'm very interested in the XR16, and would set it up either in Ethernet mode (hard-wired to a switch) or in WiFi Client mode (connecting to a separate WiFi access point). Can any computer/laptop/phone that's on the same network control the unit, or can I set a password that's required before controlling it?

    (Note that I know I could set a password if it was in Access Point mode, where it's waiting for other WiFi devices to connect, but that isn't what I'd be doing.)

    Thanks,

    Dan

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    • dtgriscom
      RexBeckett

      @dtgriscom 


      Hi Daniel, welcome to the forum.


       


      Anyone connected to the same network, with the correct app, could access and control the mixer. There is no mechanism in the mixer for limiting access.


       


      There is a control app for Android and iOS devices that can use passwords to restrict access but this would not prevent control by one of the other apps.

      • July 5, 2019
  • coolbreeze711
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-05

    Im' trying to learn how to choose the correct voltage, and how to open the fuse compartment...

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  • BigangboBonanno
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-04

    I am looking for information on what each parameter means under the Harmony and Double voice choices  ??? For example < Gender , has quite a few choices but no explanation of what each one is suposed to do  ?  Porta ds? Smooth ?  Etc. There are many pages under Harmony as you scroll down and no where do I find explanations of each item I scroll down to > Yes some are self explanitory but quite a few I have no idea what they mean. On The Highs and Lows and Mid range areas it lists certain frequnceys but I I do not know where is a area I should be dialing in for , plus use on an outboard PA these adjustments to EQ mess them up too... . So confusing . Nothing in its booklet or downloads go over any of these parameters.... HELP ????  I tried using the presets given or downloaded but they need fine tuning for my voice. the more I play around and adjust the worse it gets... Does any one know the meaning of these parameters...  Last question is the double part used just to dowble your voice and not create a 2nd harmony for a Duo type song,  for Ex. Think Everly Brothers.  

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    • BigangboBonanno
      TCH-Rob

      Hi @BigangboBonanno!


      I'm going to do my best to list all of the paramaters under Harmony and Doubling and give a brief explanation of what each does. If you have any further questions feel free to ask! I've also attached an eq cheat sheet which might help you to figure out which frequencies you may want to cut or boost. Try using the Voicelive's looper to record your harmonies, and listen to what you want to change about them. Then find that issue on the cheat sheet to determine which frequencies you need to cut or boost. Before changing the eq settings, I would make sure that in the "tone" tab of your Voicelive's setup menu you have the tone parameter set to on, and the shape, compress, and de-ess knobs are set to around 50. This will add adaptive eq and compression to your voice, and you may find that you don't need to add other eq in the harmony menu!


      - Lead level: volume of your lead vocal


       


      - Level: volume of harmony effect


       


      - Human Style: determines how the humanize parameter behaves. 


       


      - Humanize: varies the dynamics and pitch of the harmonies to sound more human. Depending on which humanize style you select and what percentage you dial in, this can create anything from subtle variation to an extreme effect. 


       


      - Vib Style: Determines the way that vibrato behaves, e.g. the attack/decay of the effect, the shape of the vibrato, the speed of the vibrato, etc.


       


      - Vibrato: Determines the depth of the pitch and amplitude modulation created by vibrato


       


      - Pan: Determines the stereo spread of the harmonies


       


      - Gender: shifts the formant and register of harmonies without effecting pitch. This control is bipolar; turning the knob left will make your voice sound more "male" and turning it right will make it sound more female. You get seperate control of the gender of each harmony and doubling voice, which is why you see "V1 Gender, V2 Gender, etc."


       


      - Porta (portatempo in double): Effects the amount that harmony notes "glide" between one another. With no porta notes will shift immediately, with porta there will be a glissando between notes. You get seperate control of portatempo on each harmony and doubling voice, which is why you see "V1 Porta, V2 Porta, etc."


       


      - Smooth: Smoothing effects the amount of pitch correction applied to the harmonies. When smoothing is at 100%, harmonies won't be pitch corrected at all, and notes will smoothly transition between one another as they are sung. When at 0%, the harmony notes will be fully pitch corrected and sound autotuned. The downside of 100% smoothing that if a singer is at all pitchy, the harmony notes will be pitchy as well. We've found that the most natural sounding smoothing settings for most singers is between 90-95%. Each voice has individual smoothing control, which is why you see ""V1 Smooth," "V2 Smooth," etc.


       


      Hope this helps!


       

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      • July 5, 2019
    • BigangboBonanno
      TCH-Rob

      @BigangboBonanno , to make simple doubling effects without creating new harmonies, try the "1 voice tight" setting in the "double" tab!

      • July 5, 2019
    • BigangboBonanno
      BigangboBonanno

      I thought I replied to you when I got this . But apparently it did not accept my reply. I Thank You so much.. I have been using your advice and yes it is getting better.  I have tone off due to when on it gets too distorted when I sing louder even though Green Light on unit stays well below the red , hardly goes into yellow in fact.  and the tone setting on the highs make me sound just too bright and squeaky and a bit of distortion comes in. This is regarless of using Adaptive or not. Yes I tried messing with EQs and I have to almost turn off the highs and bring up lows and mids to get close but still the squeaky ness I cannot get out. Turn tone off and all is better. Yes Tried different Mics. SM 58 , 57 the TC helicon mics and an Audio Technica SM58 Beta type. The shure SM 58 and 57 sound the best to me . I am a tenor but I can go somewhat lower range and can hit some very decent high notes too... I have not messed with the Gender for the ones set on the Harmony I chose are pretty good for me at the moment.  Yes using Natural Play for the guitar chord and my vocal , the pitch on harmony takes a second to catch up for some reason at some very hard times. I  only chose Natural Play for the first vocal and leave the rest alone with nothing on except unison or maybe an octave above.  If I put Natural play on rest of harmonies things go pretty bad.. Yes I tried to dial in the paratmeters , I took off auto tune in main menu , I sing on key prettly well , and left the smooth parameter setting at your suggestions and tried with close adustments there to dial in further but to no avail. Did not mess with Porta , VIb is off, Humanize I try on and off but does not help my issue.   I wiil keep trying. The song I am working on is called Let It Be Me by the Everly Brothers. I have it very very close.... thank you again.   Angelo 

      • July 10, 2019
    • BigangboBonanno
      TCH-Rob

      Hi Angelo (@BigangboBonanno), 


      Let me know how it goes! I'm glad I could be of help. 


      Do use the auto mic gain settings on your voicelive? This might help you reduce the distortion you were speaking of. All you have to do is hold the setup button and sing into your mic at performance volume, then press the reverb button. This will set your gain to a level that doesn't clip. 


      All the best,


      Rob

      • July 15, 2019
  • cowbell-fever
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-04

    Hi I'm a guitar player and recently purchased a TC Helicon Talkbox Synth about 2 months back, I have a classic Tube talkbox but wanted to get away from tube/microphone set up, after extensive research I like the Talkbox synth simplicity and pedal format - but in practice it is not a simple effect to use the way it is currently configured. 

    My main concern with this product versus the regular talkbox is the ability to sustain notes when not vocalizing or talking into the mic.

    My band plays Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the talkbox effect sound is good, but I cannot talk into the Microphone to trigger the talkbox synth for 40 seconds without taking a breath - is there a way to add a note sustain feature for a second or 2 seconds? 

    When using a regular talk box you have the Tube in your month and can play guitar and breath as needed and it will produce the talkbox sound, with the Talkbox synth if you are not talking into the mic or breathing the sound cuts out - not ideal and it's very abrupt. 

     

     

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    • cowbell-fever
      TomALang

      Good suggestion. I totally get where you're coming from and a hold feature would be useful for those long notes. I'll put a note in regarding it as we go forward with new products and implementations.

      • July 5, 2019
  • BerlinChurchCol
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-04

    Hello,

    I preparing to set up the X32 with S32, P-16D, and P-16M.  I have downloaded the X32 Edit app for Mac.  I am watching a Behringer webinar about the X32 and P-16M programming.  The X32 Edit app is different from the X32 app that is being used in the video, which is closer to the real X32 mixer, unlike the X32 Edit for Mac.  Is there a way to view the X32 Edit app the same as in the live mixer?

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    • BerlinChurchCol
      Paul_Vannatto


      @BerlinChurchCol wrote:


      Hello,


      I preparing to set up the X32 with S32, P-16D, and P-16M.  I have downloaded the X32 Edit app for Mac.  I am watching a Behringer webinar about the X32 and P-16M programming.  The X32 Edit app is different from the X32 app that is being used in the video, which is closer to the real X32 mixer, unlike the X32 Edit for Mac.  Is there a way to view the X32 Edit app the same as in the live mixer?





      Those webinars are probably the ones Joe Sanborn and John DiNicola made for us back in 2013 (6 years ago). Much has changed since then, including the X32-Edit interface. Back then it was very similar to the console interface. When they released firmware 3.0 they changed to the new (current) interface which is significantly different, but just as capable in setting up whatever you need. I may have a copy of the older interface for the Mac at home (I normally use my PC). But it may be better for you to explain exactly what you want to do and we can help you do it with the newer interface.


       

      • July 4, 2019
    • BerlinChurchCol
      KenOkajima

      I had the X32 Edit program working great on my mac, and suddenly a few weeks ago it would not launch.  Since then, no luck.  Any advice?


       

      • November 11, 2019
    • BerlinChurchCol
      DaveMorrison

      @KenOkajima 


      Which OS version are you running now? Catalina?

      • November 11, 2019
    • BerlinChurchCol
      KenOkajima

      Mojave 10.14.6


      2.9Ghz Intel Core i9


      16 GB 2400 Mhz DDR4

      • November 12, 2019
    • BerlinChurchCol
      DaveMorrison

      @KenOkajima 


      you could try to trash the "~Library⁩ ▸ ⁨Preferences⁩:com.Music-Group.X32-Edit.plist" file.


      I would normally tell you to download a new copy, but they're not availble this week at behringer.com.


      When my X32-Edit started getting flaky, I started using M32-Edit. It's got nicer colors and you can still get 3.2 (at least today). https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/Digital/M32/p/P0B3I/Downloads#googtrans(en|en) 

      • November 12, 2019
  • jon9max
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-07-04

    Hello, I'm new. Very new. I don't even have the equipment yet.

    I am going to have an M32C with a DL32. I am having it all racked up so we can use it for stereo IEM's, with a split for FOH.

    This is a large band, 11 people, and there will be 6-7 stereo IEM's and just about all 32 inputs will be filled.

    I am doing all I can to learn about the unit so we can get to work right away when I get this next week. 

    It seems if you use all of the Physical outputs you can't use the effects? (I know the mix busses, but...)What does one have to do with the other? Am I missing something? There are 16 phys. outputs and 16 "mix busses" Did they not think people would not use up the physical outputs and the mix busses to go with them and Not want some reverb?

    As I said, I don't know. Is there something I'm missing totally? Is there a workaround?

    Thanks in advance! 

     

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    • jon9max
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi John @jon9max,


      Welcome to the forum. Yes you are misunderstanding how the M32 engine is designed. Physical outputs are separate entities from the mixbuses. What I would suggest you do is to download the M32-Edit app (PC, Mac, linux and/or Raspberry Pi) and have a look at how everything is laid out.


       


      There are 16 mixbuses that can be used to mix channel sends and output to various destinations, including physical outputs. Typically it is setup to use the first 12 mixbuses for monitor mixes or 6 mixbus stereo pairs, or a combination thereof. The last 3 mixbuses are typically used to mix channel sends to be sent to the first 4 Fx slots (side-chain) as the dry signal inputs. The wet signals are returned in stereo pair channel inputs (on the Aux layer channel strips 9-16), which can then be sent to the Main LR and/or any of the monitor mixes.


       


      Assignments to the physical outputs are done in the Routing section and is accomplished in a 2 step process. First individual outputs are assigned to individual physical outputs on the Out 1-16, Aux Out or Ultranet. Then these outputs are assigned to the AES50 in banks of 8 of those individual assignments.


       


      The best thing to do is play around with the M32-Edit, then ask questions here as they come up. That's how I got started back in Dec 2012 when my church got their X32. Because I was new to the digital mixing world, I ended up asking lots of questions.


       

      • July 3, 2019
    • jon9max
      jon9max

      Thanks so much Paul! 


      I do have the M32 edit program and I am setting up as much as I can prior to getting the unit. That’s what brought me here with my question. You basically restated my question with your solution. When you said “typically” it is used in such a way...


      What I’m asking, is if I use the mix busses to control the stereo IEM’s, can I use effects? 

      • July 3, 2019
    • jon9max
      Paul_Vannatto


      @jon9max wrote:


      Thanks so much Paul! 


      When you said “typically” it is used in such a way...


      That is the way it is setup from the factory and I normally leave it that way. Fortunately it does give the ability to change that. For example, if you need 7 stereo IEM capability, you could use mixbuses 1-14 and use only the last 2 (15 and 16) for sends to 2 of the FX slots.


      What I’m asking, is if I use the mix busses to control the stereo IEM’s, can I use effects? 


      Yes of course you can. There are 2 ways of using the effects - sidechain or insert. Reverbs, delays, etc. work best using the side chain method, which requires a mixbus to feed them.





       

      • July 3, 2019
    • jon9max
      jon9max

      Ok, So can I insert them, then?  (I do know how they work best, but it looks like I'm not gonna be able to do it that way. It just seems wacky that the outputs are kinda tied to the mix buses, well, that there aren't more mix busses if you are using them to control the outputs for Iem's/monitors.) But It's so we can get a little reverb in the IEM's just so vocals and drums won't be completely dry. I haven't found a way to insert them.  Inserted to a subgroup an input channel? (subgroup would be great) 


      thank you,


      John

      • July 4, 2019
    • jon9max
      BillHood

      Hi @jon9max . Paul is the expert so you have the right person helping you out. Just thought I would chime in, as you asked about any workarounds... but I will note the DL32 has ADAT out for 17 through 32. I have often wondered if ADAT out to an ADA8200 wouldn't provide more physical outputs, but I don't need them so have never tried.


       


      Alternatively, with 11 folks and 6-7 stereo IEM's I figure you are anticipating some shared mixes or wedges or similar? If you can work it with your group, using a couple of mix bus for compiling/grouping several channels like to a 'drum' L 'drum' R, you might be able to get away with using a couple of the P16 system in addition to the 16 physical outs. Downside is P16 only allows 16 assignments, which I find a real drawback. 


       


      Idea might be mix bus 1-12 are individual L-R mixes and go to 12 of your physical outs for 6 stereo IEM, and you have 4 physical outs for Subs and Mains


       


      Bus 13 and 14 then are 'drum' LR, bus 15 and 16 are for effects send. Or some combination of the above, whatever fits your need. Then for the P16 system you can assign the 'grouped' mix bus 13 and 14, where you can also mix in some of your effects returns to add reverb, then 14 other individual channels.


      Not ideal I know, but maybe useful... also note the M32C has 'Monitor Out L and R' - I use those physical outs for my IEM as well. Still uses 2 mix bus, but is 2 more physical outs... just have to use some creative routining.

      • July 4, 2019
  • sounddesigner
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-03

    So I'm using the X32 Compact with QLab 4 as a soundcard with a MacBook Air running 10.13.6. The USB ports on the MacBook Air are USB 3.0. 

    I have the card set to 16 inputs and 16 outputs. The sample rate is set to 44.1k

    Synchronization is set to Internal. The other options are AES50A and B, and Exp. Card is an unselectable option.

    On the MacBook Air, under Audio/MIDI Setup, sample rate matches. It's actually not adjustable here.

    I have the inputs on the X32 assigned to the card, and then those inputs routed to individual Mix Buses.

    When I do this over USB, I get intermittent pops, and after some time the audio becomes choppy, and I have to unplug the USB cable from the computer, plug it back in, and then the choppiness goes away (pops continue though).

    However, over FireWire (which is a ThunderBolt-to-FireWire-800 adapter and and FireWire-800-to-FireWire-400 cable) I am not having issues. Luckily the theatre I am working in has an older X32 Compact with FireWire as an option on the card (looks like FireWire has been removed from the more recent X32's). 

    Have other people run into this issue with the X32 as an interface over USB? Even though I seem to have the issue resolved using it over FireWire, I'd like to figure out what the issue is over USB. I understand it's a slower speed, but I've used other Behringer interfaces (like the UMC1820) over USB without these issues. I also want to figure it out since it seems FireWire might not have full support in the future...and other places I work might have newer X32's with only USB on the card.

    Thanks in advance!

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    • sounddesigner
      Paul_Vannatto


      @sounddesigner wrote:


      So I'm using the X32 Compact with QLab 4 as a soundcard with a MacBook Air running 10.13.6. The USB ports on the MacBook Air are USB 3.0. 


       





      That (USB 3.0) in all likehood is the culprit. That X-UF card is an old card and was discontinued at about the time that the X32 Compact (and X32 Rack) were first released. If that Compact came with an X-UF card it probably came from the very first shipment. The reason they had to discontinue it was that the chipset manufacturer discontinued that chipset and they had no choice but to switch to another USB only. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that the X-UF card is having timing issues with the Mac USB 3.0. I would suggest you consider getting one of the newer X-Live cards.


       

      • July 3, 2019
  • ChuckZah
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-07-03

    Before I try it I thought i\I'd ask if it can be used with an electric bass. Thanks. GREAT product 

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    • ChuckZah
      TCH-Rob

      Hi @ChuckZah,


      The play acoustic's guitar effects and amp modeling work fine for electric bass guitar, and you can get some really great tones with it. That said, the naturalplay vocal harmony engine likely won't work with a bass because it relies on tracking chords to accurately create harmonies, so if you're planning to use naturalplay with electric bass it won't work well. 

      • July 3, 2019
  • KevinFairburn
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-03

    ??

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    • KevinFairburn
      KevinFairburn

      Thanks for the help guys!  Obviously not a company that can be trusted for Pro Audio anymore...

      • July 2, 2019
    • KevinFairburn
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hi Kevin @KevinFairburn,


      I went into the spam folder and found your post. Evidently the AI (artificial intelligence) caught the wording in the second last paragraph and sent it to the spam folder. 


      What I would suggest you do is to export your scene to a file, zip it and attach it to your next post. Then we can have a look at it and verify it isn't a setting or routing issue.

      • July 3, 2019
    • KevinFairburn
      RichardYClark Can we get to hear what the original problem was outlined in the OP so that we can join in perhaps and add some useful assistance?
      • July 3, 2019
    • KevinFairburn
      Paul_Vannatto

      Hey Richard @RichardYClark, here is the link to the other thread he started.

      • July 3, 2019
  • KevinFairburn
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-07-03

    So the short version of the story...  I have owned an X32 Producer for 4 years, and I need to build a second, smaller rack system...  a month ago I odered a new XR18, and it arrived with a dead LAN port.  I sent it back and it was replaced with another XR18, which also arrived with a dead LAN port, so sent it back.  I bit the bullet and upgraded to an X32 Rack...  (surely that'll be fine, I know where I am with one of those).

    The X32 Rack arrived yesterday, I spent the day building it into a spanky new SKB shallow rack, with all my other bits and pieces...  and guess what...?

    None of the XLR Outs work.  All 6 TRS are fine, as is the headphone jack, but no audio being routed to the XLRs...

    I tested it on 2.16 firmware...  Nothing.  I upgraded to 3.11...  Nothing.  I performed three separate Factory resets...  Nothing.  I rolled it back to 2.16...  Nothing.  I initialised the Rack and changed (and re-changed) the routing I don't know how many times...  Nothing.

    Three things...  1.  What have I done to deserve the worst "Out of Box Failure" rate I have ever experienced from any company, 2. Behringer, What the actual F*** are you doing wasting so much of my life/energy/time? I have had to blag gear for three shows in the last month because of this, and 3.  Can anyone shine a light on the issue with the Rack before it also goes back?

    Perhaps its finally time to upgrade to A&H SQ5...

     

     

     

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