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  • nimasan
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-12

    Hi there,

    I'm currently using TC Helicon's Harmony M with my midi keyboard.

    I need the presets/steps features that VoiceLive 3 is offering so I want to switch to that product.

    However, it is being advertised/promoted as a voice/guitar effects product and I'm not planning on using it with a guitar but with a midi keyboard instead.

    I want to sing, play some chords on my midi keyboard and I want VoiceLive 3 to be able to translate those keyboard chords into harmonies for example.

    Is this possible or will I have problems with it?

    Is VoiceLive 2 Touch better for me maybe? However, I noticed that VoiceLive 2 Touch does not have "steps" but only "presets". I don't want to have to create 5 presets for a single song. I want one single song-preset containing a bunch of steps inside (verse, chorus, bridge etc..)

    Thanks in advance for your help!

     

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    • nimasan
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @nimasan,
      VoiceLive 3 is advertised as a vocal and guitar processor because in addition to our suite of vocal effects it also has a bunch of guitar effects, but you can absolutely use it with a keyboard instead.  You can either use just the MIDI output from your keyboard to guide harmony voices, or use the audio output of your keyboard (if it has any) and apply the guitars effects to it, or even use a combination of the two.  So yeah what you're asking is totally possible, Gavin Castleton has a really good video on the topic here.


      As for VoiceLive Touch 2, it can work well with a keyboard as well but I wouldn't say it's better for you.  Like you've noted, the Touch 2 doesn't have the ability to create Steps so you'd be working with neighbouring presets instead.  The biggest benefit that Touch 2 has over VoiceLive 3 - aside from being mountable on a mic stand - is its 6-track looper, VoiceLive 3's looper only has 3 tracks.


      Hopefully that's helpful, let me know if you have any more questions.  Cheers!

      • November 14, 2019
  • ToniGruber
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-11

    Hi there. Is it possible to get a distorted sound by playing an harmonica trough the voicelive3 ? For me it looks like the frequencies of the harmonica don`t work with the effects of the voicelive. Maybe there is a way to fix this - would be a nice feature. Thanks, and musically regards from austria. datoni

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    • ToniGruber
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @ToniGruber,
      I do know that our gear usually doesn't respond well to whistling input, playing a harmonica will likely also yield an undesirable result.  Additionally, all our gear is made to expect a monophonic singing voice, with the harmonica being a polyphonic instrument that can really confuse our effects as well.  If you're looking to apply effects to a harmonica, you're probably better off using guitar pedals (which are inherently built to expect a polyphonic input).  Cheers!

      • November 13, 2019
    • ToniGruber
      Roland1

      Hi 


      Try it trough the guitar layer and use the amp effects.
      It works well, but you have to get a good signal, f.ex. with one of the Shure 520DX microphones (or vintage model).


      If you don't use VL3 for voice, it's to expensive only for harmonica. Then you better buy a real good harmonica-amp and maybe some stomp pedals. As I play the VL3 with saxophone on stage, sometimes I use it for harmonica, but normally I play the harmonica over a good little amp to create the real distortion "the natural way".

      • December 31, 2019
    • ToniGruber
      Toddyboy

      I'm not looking for a "bluesy" distorted sound with harmonica or  wooden flute using the Live Play, but rather the ability to create an assortment of effects that can give a different variety of voices or colors to these instruments...not for playing blues at all. I've been using a TC mic mechanic for a few years that performs OK with these instruments on stage in our group, but would like more sound options. I understand the Live Play is made for voice, but do you think it can add effects to these wind instruments without a bunch of additional feedback or noise?  Don't really need the pitch or adaptive features. Thanks - Tod

      • January 16, 2020
    • ToniGruber
      Toddyboy

      My experience has been that guitar pedals usually pick up sounds and noise from all over the stage when they are adapted for microphone use, which these instruments are played through...

      • January 16, 2020
    • ToniGruber
      BigDogDaddyD

      Hello ToniGruber,


        I fell ya.  I've been in the same boat for years.  The problem I've experienced is that guitar pickups are not as powerful as a microphone.  So using a harmonica and microphone into a guitar pedal often causes violent feedback and loud distorted sounds.  Same with using the guitar 'IN port' on a vocalizer.  I play classic rock, country, bluegrass & folk, blues, and cajun. And sometimes I even play classical.  So I need different sounds and effects for playing diatonic, chromatic, tremelo, or octave.  I also play the keyboard or guitar with my harmonica.  I can't speak for the VoiceLive 3 (the VoiceLive 3 Extreme is on my list when I decide to upgrade), but I have used a VoiceLive Touch 2 for quite awhile now.  And I have to tell you that I get some really impressive effects with a Shure 57 microphone and all my different harps.  I use separate effects pedals between the VoiceLive Touch 2 and the amp or PA if I need something The VoiceLive Touch can't give me.  But I love the reverb, chorus options, octave shifts, etc...  Some of the vocal effects cause the harmonica to sound more like a synthesizer on acid, so not all are good.  But I simply sat down and walked through all the different options one-by-one.  This took several days to do. And it was different with different types and keys of harmonicas.  And when you add all the different guitar effects on top of the harmonica,  I really get some great sounds.  And the looper really makes a difference as well.  I'm hoping one day the major guitar stores will have more demo units set up to experiment with.  I'm really surprised Music Tribe and TC-Helicon don't have demos with harmonica players.  The great Brendan Power uses his harmonicas, VoiceLive Touch, and a separate effects box, on his stage performances.  Part of his act is showing folks how to loop.  Google "Brendan Power looping", or do aYoutube lookup.  He has quite a few videos using his harps with TC Helicon equipment.  Hope this helps.  Take care and good luck with your journey. 

      • January 17, 2020
  • ChrisF
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-11-09
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    • ChrisF
      ChrisF

      Any way to have a feature where we can set "sweetened" tunings and save them? We can then tune our guitars like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts

      • November 9, 2019
    • ChrisF
      ChrisF

      This is for the VLPE btw.


      Any way to have a feature where we can set "sweetened" tunings and save them? We can then tune our guitars like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts

      • November 9, 2019
    • ChrisF
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @ChrisF,
      Unfortunately the VoiceLive PlayElectric is discontinued and will not be receiving any further firmware updates.  Cents are displayed on the tuner though ("-50", "-30", "-15", etc) so it's still possible to achieve that tuning by holding the "HIT" footswitch to enable the tuner.  Cheers!

      • November 12, 2019
  • budmoffett
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-06

    All of a SUDDEN I show guitar GOING INTO unit, but no guitar OUTPUT (unless I use GUITAR THRU) which always works. (Usually if you don't use GUITAR THRU, you can blend guitar output through the VL2.)

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    • budmoffett
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @budmoffett,
      There are a few places in VoiceLive 2 where it's possible to mute the guitar's wet output:



      • "Mix" menu, "Guitar" level parameter

      • "Setup" menu, "I/O" tab, "Guitar Mute" parameter

      • "Guitar FX" menu, "Guitar" tab, "Guitar" level parameter


      If you've already checked all those spots and still aren't getting wet guitar output, my suggestion would be to back up all your presets and settings in VoiceSupport 2, and then perform a factory reset of all system settings, then restore your presets back from VoiceSupport.  Good luck!

      • November 12, 2019
  • TacoZwart
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-11-06

    And sorry Spencer I forgot to ask you something else . . . I have a little hisss issue with my VoiceLife 2 Extreme . . . Despite multiple input gain and output level checkings/settings (on the unit and my PA mixer), I always get this low level, high frequency (?) fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. My mic (Shure SM58) directly into my Bose T4S Tonematch Mixer and L1 Model 2, no hiss or fffff at all. As soon as I plug my Mic into my VL2 and from the VL2 into the Mixer and L1 . . . ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff . . . Even only with the dry sound without any VL2 effects or harmonies . . . I use the VL2 in mono with the dry signal out of output 1 and the wet (harmonies only) out of output 2. Of course when I activate the harmonies the ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff gets louder. I have the feeling that it's just the way it is, that the VL2 simply adds this ffffffffffffff, but if you'd have a suggestion or solution, please let me know (and same issue with other mixers and PAs). Have a nice day, Taco 

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    • TacoZwart
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @TacoZwart,
      Hope you don't mind I moved this new topic to its own post.  After a quick search of our Knowledge Base I found this article, is it possible you have the auxiliary input level turned up?

      • November 6, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TacoZwart

      Hi @TCH-Spencer



      Thanks for the research and link. All inputs a part from the guitar IN are Off, and my case is event weirder than the one described in the article, because when I bypass the unit (tuning mode, no outputput at all, the hiss is even louder !



      Any other suggestions ?



      Cheers,



      Taco





      @TCH-Spencer wrote:


      Hey @TacoZwart,
      Hope you don't mind I moved this new topic to its own post.  After a quick search of our Knowledge Base I found this .article, is it possible you have the auxiliary input level turned up?





       

      • November 11, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TCH-Spencer

      Hi again @TacoZwart,
      The fact that going into the "Bypass + Tuner" mode makes the hiss worse makes me suspect that it's on the vocal channel.  If you've muted your vocals during normal operation, then going into the bypass mode will un-mute the vocals and pass them through with no effects except for Tone.


      It's possible this noise is just inherent to your unit, but I do have a couple ideas that might be worth checking.  First, you're not sending phantom power to a dynamic mic are you?  If your microphone is a dynamic mic, ensure you have phantom power turned off in the Setup menu.  Also another thing that's helped users in the past is plugging everything in to the same electrical circuit in your home or studio space or wherever your setup is.  Not necessarily going as far as plugging it all in to the same power bar (although this could be a worthwhile experiment) but having all your gear on the same circuit can help.

      • November 12, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TacoZwart





      @TCH-Spencer wrote:


      Hi again @TacoZwart,
      The fact that going into the "Bypass + Tuner" mode makes the hiss worse makes me suspect that it's on the vocal channel.  If you've muted your vocals during normal operation, then going into the bypass mode will un-mute the vocals and pass them through with no effects except for Tone.


      It's possible this noise is just inherent to your unit, but I do have a couple ideas that might be worth checking.  First, you're not sending phantom power to a dynamic mic are you?  If your microphone is a dynamic mic, ensure you have phantom power turned off in the Setup menu.  Also another thing that's helped users in the past is plugging everything in to the same electrical circuit in your home or studio space or wherever your setup is.  Not necessarily going as far as plugging it all in to the same power bar (although this could be a worthwhile experiment) but having all your gear on the same circuit can help.


      Hi @TCH-Spencer,


      To answer your questions, no I'm not sending or using phantom power. The setting is turned off.


      And all my gear is on the same power circuit (and even same power bar) . . . I guess that the noise is ingherent to the unit, but is it just mine ? The VL2 Extreme in general ? But I don't consider it as "normal" . . . With my HArmony Singer 2, I don't have this "ffffffffffffffffffffffff". . . I'd love to be able to try in paralel a second unit. If I'd need to sebnd my unit for repair, where do I need to send it to ? Thanks for your help, Taco  





       

      • November 17, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @TacoZwart,
      Damn then I'm kind of running out of ideas... I have a VoiceLive 2 here, it's not the Extreme version but they are the same hardware with only software differences, anyways our VoiceLive 2 isn't noisy.  This might just be a physical issue with your particular unit, like a dying capacitor or something like that.  Getting in contact with our support team (via this link) could be a good idea.  They'll be able to help you troubleshoot the issue further, and discuss possible repairs or replacement if necessary.  Good luck!

      • November 18, 2019
  • Krixtofer
    Contributor - Level 1
    2019-11-02

    Hi.

    Since i'm a newbie in here I beg to apologize beforehand.

    My question regards changing from vl 2 to vl3x. 
    Are there any changes made to the vocal side of the unit? Ie. apart from the looping and guitar fx/preset stacking etc.

    Or changes to the micpre/audio hw.

    best, Chris

     

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    • Krixtofer
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @Krixtofer,
      Yes indeed there are some differences in the vocal path between VoiceLive 2 and VoiceLive 3.  The harmony effect in particular was fine-tuned to track better in VoiceLive 3, it's just more accurate in general, and additional modes (pedal, fixed, mixed) for the harmony voices were added in VL3.  Here are a few other (non-exhaustive) differences between the two units:



      • VoiceLive 3 has on-board "RoomSense" microphones to listen to the room's sound to guide the harmony and hardtune effects

      • VoiceLive 3 includes a vocoder effect which VoiceLive 2 does not have

      • VoiceLive 3 has a metronome with multiple sample sounds, VoiceLive 2 has no metronome

      • And as you mentioned, there are numerous improvements to the looper and guitar path in VoiceLive 3


      Hopefully that's helpful, cheers!

      • November 6, 2019
  • TacoZwart
    Contributor - Level 3
    2019-11-01

    Hi everybody, Sorry to bug you but I don't know who to contact anymore. I have an issue with my Harmony Singer 2. I have found some people who have similar issues, but apparently nobody got a satisfactory answer/solution. I tried to open a support ticket since a week, but it never works (it simply hangs). My dealer from where I purchased my unit in Geneva Switzerland, never gets any answer for anything regarding TC Helicon . . . So you guys are my last hope. Any suggestion of what and how to do ? Thanks, TAco

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    • TacoZwart
      TC-Mike

      Hi Taco,


      sorry to hear about the issue.


      Can you PM me  the data you fill into the support form, so i can escalate this to our care team. 


      Do you get any error messages when trying to submit your support request? 


      Spencer from TC helicon is very active in the community and since you posted in the TC helicon brand tribe, he will answer you


      Best regards,


      Mike


       

      • October 31, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @TacoZwart,
      Yes indeed I do remember there being issues with the Harmony Singer 2 pedal a couple years ago.  The problem was that the Harmony Singer 2 would randomly start to distort its output making the user sound boomy and robotic and just... broken.  We were fortunately able to fix the issue with a firmware update after enlisting the help of the Community to track down the bug.


      If you install our free VoiceSupport 2 application and connect your Harmony Singer 2 pedal via USB, you'll be prompted to update the firmware on your pedal.  With that update, the noise/distortion issue should be solved for you.  Good luck!

      • November 4, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TacoZwart

      Thank you very much Spencer,


      I'll try the Firmware Update option tonight and keep you posted.


      Taco

      • November 4, 2019
    • TacoZwart
      TacoZwart

      Hi @TCH-Spencer and Hi @TC-Mike,


      Thank you very much for all your help. I managed to do the required FW update on my Harmony Singer 2, and will be trying it over the next weeks hoping there won't be any further issues.


      A bit tricky to post my support ticket, but finally a great support !


      Taco

      • November 5, 2019
  • MatCaird
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-10-30

    Hi All

    VL3x;

    how do I remove a key assignment that I've accidentally saved with a patch. 

    thx in adv

    Mat

     

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    • MatCaird
      TCH-Spencer

      Hey @MatCaird,
      Go into the "Vocal" menu, and on the "Harmony" tab, set all the "Mode" parameters ("Mode V1", "Mode V2", etc.) to "NatPlay" (NaturalPlay).  This tells all the harmony voices to listen to the various inputs (guitar, auxiliary, RoomSense, etc.) instead of sticking to a specified key.  Then go back to the "Home" menu and double-tap the "Store" button to save your changes.  Cheers!

      • November 13, 2019
  • TCH-Spencer
    Triber Alumni
    2019-10-29

    Hey folks,
    Just getting the word out that we've relased updates for the Perform-V and Perform-VK mobile apps on iOS.  Users were having issues using the apps after the update to iOS 13, but our team has  created, tested, and released the fix.  Here are the release notes:

    • Fixed audio beam crashes caused by iOS 13
    • Fixes to some layout and graphical glitches
    • Greatly improved Audio beam success rates on iPhones, particularly X and XR, audio should only come out of the Bottom speakers now. Issue was the ear speaker was also playing the sound and conflicting. Note this also dramatically lowers the required volumes to transmit the data with Audio.

     

    If you haven't already been prompted to update, you can find the Perform-V app here, and the Perform-VK app here.  Cheers!

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    • TCH-Spencer
      BobCacciatore

      Though still unable to 'beam' via audio. (iPhone XR iOS 13.1.3)


      Perform VK via a lightning to USB adapter works like a champ. 
      Instant downloads- click a preset and in a half second you can audition it. This greatly expands the V series in terms of harmony intervals, variable auto-tuning, and I assume radical Tone settings. Also of note a massive firmware improvement that now allows the Aux and Instrument inputs to mix only into the VK's headphone out. Thus you can monitor your voice and instrument in the headphones but only your voice with effects goes to the PA (House) mix. A+!

      • October 29, 2019
  • stentor
    Contributor - Level 2
    2019-10-29

    I have to say, I’ve never been more frustrated by a company’s lack of service and intentional distancing themselves from their consumers.

    I have been trying to get information on the MIDI capabilities of the Voicelive Rack 3 for over three weeks.

    No one in sales at any of the online music stores know anything.

    The TC website is impossible to navigate, there are no email adresses or phone numbers.

    The money is in the bank, just waiting to be spent.

    Why do I have to use a message board to get my questions answered?

     

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    • stentor
      MarkFarrell

      The manual does have a MIDI Implementation Chart. Do you need to know something more than what that has?

      • October 29, 2019
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