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P16 with MIDAS DL153

Could someone pls advise about whether it is possible to connect Behringer P16 to DL153. We have MIDAS M32R and DL153 stage box. P16 works fine off the mixer desk M32 Ultranet port, but the DL153 manual is silent about whether the DL153 Ethernet Control can send Ultranet. Is this possible or are we going to have to run a separate RJ44/Cat5 cable from the M32 to the stage for Ultranet? If DL153 cannot run Ultranet, what is the cheapest alternative to running an additional Cat5 cable to provide Ultranet connectivity on stage? Thanks in advance, David. 

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DavidC3Av Contributor - Level 2 2019-08-24

2019-08-24

P16 with MIDAS DL153

Could someone pls advise about whether it is possible to connect Behringer P16 to DL153. We have MIDAS M32R and DL153 stage box. P16 works fine off the mixer desk M32 Ultranet port, but the DL153 manual is silent about whether the DL153 Ethernet Control can send Ultranet. Is this possible or are we going to have to run a separate RJ44/Cat5 cable from the M32 to the stage for Ultranet? If DL153 cannot run Ultranet, what is the cheapest alternative to running an additional Cat5 cable to provide Ultranet connectivity on stage? Thanks in advance, David. 

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

DL15x (and all other 'Blue' boxes) cannot be daisy-chained. We've seen some customers attempt this - and successfully pass signal, but it is untested and not advised. When using Blue boxes with X/M32, ULTRANET is only available from the console port. 

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

@ChaseMcKnight and everybody else who has contributed to solving this issue - a HUGE thanks! We very much appreciate the time and insight that each one of you has invested in helping us out.

So we will run the extra cable for Ultranet from the M32R and we happen to have a spare. We may consider a DL16 down the track but this will be good quick solution for now to arrest damage to band members' hearing.

Best, David

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

Hi @DavidC3Av 

No. Ultranet is neither AES50 or Ethernet. The DL153 doesn't have ultranet capability. The Midas DL 32 & 16 and Behringer S32, S16, SD16, SD8 all can do ultranet because they have the proper chipsets. Channels 33-48 on the AES50 bus are then routed by the stageboxes to the ultranet ports. Theoretically it might be possible to send signal to a SD8 and then daisy-chain to the DL153. Maybe someone on the forum has done it.

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

Thank you Dave, much appreciated. Looks like an elegant solution, and low enough cost to order and give it a shot next Sunday. Do you think it might be possible to daisy chain the SD8 after the DL153? Ie. even though DL153 doesn’t have Ultranet chipset that it is likely to faithfully pass on whatever protocol is happening on the AES50 for the SD8 to put out the Ultranet? Thanks again.

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

@DavidC3Av AFAIK you can't daisy chain any of the midas "blue" series stageboxes. The second aes50 port on those is redundant meaning if one fails the other will keep working when connected to a Midas Pro series mixer. It's not an in/thru type line. When using with the X32/M32 series mixers, it can be used on one aes50 port and nothing can be daisy chained beyond it on that line, In that regard they become somewhat limited. However your SD8/16/32's can be used on the other remaining X32 aes50  port and daisy chained normally up to the 48 ch limit.

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

@GaryHiggins thank you. Would inserting the SD8 before the DL153 on that AES50 work?
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@DavidC3Av wrote:
@GaryHigginsthank you. Would inserting the SD8 before the DL153 on that AES50 work?

@DavidC3Av 

That should work but the SD8 will shift the DL153's inputs up eight channels on the AES50. So DL153 inputs 1-16 will move from AES50 1-16 to AES50 9-24. This requires that the input routing on the console is changed. If the DL153 is feeding console channels 1-16, the new routing would be:

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

It may, I am not sure, I would wonder how/if the S/SD boxes can pass forward the ch's of the DL153 box properly to the mixer due to the ch shift they normally impose and implement with regard to each other. You might not achieve proper sync. I might guess no but it's just a guess. @ChaseMcKnight would be the guy here who would know for sure.

 

@RexBeckettsorry did not see your post before writting my response...

 

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

DL15x (and all other 'Blue' boxes) cannot be daisy-chained. We've seen some customers attempt this - and successfully pass signal, but it is untested and not advised. When using Blue boxes with X/M32, ULTRANET is only available from the console port. 

Chase McKnight | Solutions Manager, Music Tribe If you found my post helpful, go ahead and give kudos or mark it as a solution! Community Guidelines | FAQs

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Re: P16 with MIDAS DL153

@ChaseMcKnight and everybody else who has contributed to solving this issue - a HUGE thanks! We very much appreciate the time and insight that each one of you has invested in helping us out.

So we will run the extra cable for Ultranet from the M32R and we happen to have a spare. We may consider a DL16 down the track but this will be good quick solution for now to arrest damage to band members' hearing.

Best, David

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